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GPTs: Custom versions of ChatGPT
- b3nji 3y agoForgive my ignorance, isn't this various prompts that OpenAi allow you to store, and quickly use?
- alvis 3y agoI have been utilising GPT to create my own app, and now openAI wants to be the only app that matters. I’m not sure whether I should be excited or not :/
- topicseed 3y agoThey will allow revenue sharing so then it's a matter of how many customers they'd be able to offer you for your app; and whether it makes sense for you to distribute through them or bypass them and distribute yourself.
- elforce002 3y agoThis business model will only serve them in the long run. Luckily for us, open source llms are getting traction and we won't depend on "open"AI to implement features on our apps.
- mickdarling 3y agoWell, they tried to put a government sponsored moat in the way of other people building AI companies that would be competing with them. Thankfully, they mostly seem to have whiffed the ball on that one. This plan of theirs to monetize the creation of agents and other tools that take advantage of their underlying infrastructure is a good secondary kind of moat. Because, if your tool relies on their underlying infrastructure, even if you could build something different, the infrastructure is required. This may be a "less-evil" way to keep them building things and making tools available without completely locking out competition.
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- fatherzine 3y agoEvery prompt you put in somebody else's LLM goes into the training set of the next iteration of said LLM, with the explicit purpose of replacing you as a cognitively, and therefore economically, relevant entity. The only dignified move is not to play, though it's a very difficult choice. It probably not a winning move, though at this point there are no obvious winning moves -- you and I and all our loved ones will be obsoleted and replaced by tech within the next few years. Concretely, to not play means to stop feeding the machine data, i.e. disconnecting from the digital world. Given how digitalized society is becoming, possibly also from the modern society altogether. Godspeed.
- oezi 3y agoI think all technological revolutions have caused similar transformations which obsolete certain types of activities and push novel activities to the forefront. Not playing is certainly possible but could be a losing strategy as well.
- bbor 3y agoI like to think about it from the perspective of the far future, looking back on me as a historical actor. I have no idea what will happen exactly, of course, but I can't imagine a moral/social crisis of the past where "cross your fingers and hope it goes away" is a move I'd approve of... That said, your worry is one I definitely share. I guess I just hope more people think of ways they can try to ride/shape this wave, rather than stop/weather it.
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- Aerbil313 3y agoWhat is your job? Chances are, it’s nothing an AGI (based on LLMs) can’t do, and an AGI is possible, today. People are building these things today, check out GitHub. And if you don’t believe GPT-4 cannot do your job cheaper than you, just wait for GPT-N, which will be able to.
- zeroCalories 3y agoWhen your startup is a repackaging of another company's tech I don't see how you can be surprised when a big player swoops in to kill you off.
- cornholio 3y agoWhat did you expect? Surely it was just an MVP, and you expected OpenAI to commoditize its complements? Right? On the long run, if your idea or app can be expressed as a flavor of a general GPT, you will not be able to compete with the AI gorillas. The space for AI startups is with custom, highly niched data or capabilities, that cannot be found in a general corpus, or that you can uniquely generate or control.
- ahmedhosssam 3y agoI thought about the same thing, I've seen a lot of apps that have similar ideas like "ChatGPT chatbot for your data or your website", I don't know how will they deal with it.
- awfulneutral 3y agoThe icon for the game explainer one is a die with two 5s on it. I wonder if they use ChatGPT to write their blog articles as well...
- timdiggerm 3y agoDefinitely a very funny example of their own product's shortcomings
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- 1970-01-01 3y agoIf it was any good, the "Negotiation" GPT would quickly get you paying extra for its services.
- omarfarooq 3y agoMaybe it means GPT5 is only 2 quarters away?
- fudged71 3y agoPoe has done a great job in this space, quite a large marketplace of existing bots. I'm excited to see what it can do with the extra vision, D•ALLE, and Code Interpreter models.
- ahmedfromtunis 3y agoAny new tech that has the potential of advancing the human species I am excited for. And this is one of these. The challenge is how to adapt to create new opportunities.
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- atleastoptimal 3y agoI wonder how much money I could make making "GPTs" full time. Barrier to entry is nonexistent so I imagine highest revenue ones if this becomes a serious thing people use will be advertised externally or have some proprietary info/access.
- siva7 3y agoI'm not sure i understand?
- atleastoptimal 3y agoThe GPT's making the most money will be made by larger companies who advertise use of it and maybe make it a funnel to their in-app integration, or GPTs which are made effective by information that is proprietary.
- ca_tech 3y agoThis makes me think of the Alexa skills ecosystem which is full of low quality skills. Many of which have poor data practices abstracted away behind the scenes. How long until "Chat with your favorite character from [Intellectual Property]?" which is simply made to promote a new film or collect data. A good paper on the state of the Alexa skills BTW SkillVet: Automated Traceability Analysis of Amazon Alexa Skills https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9619970 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9619970
- bbor 3y agoPart of the announcement is that they'll open up an app store w/ revenue sharing of some kind. "In the coming months" or smtn
- stevesearer 3y agoI bet if you combined GPT creation with Zapier integrations you could help a lot of people and companies.
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- colesantiago 3y agoAwesome, I've been waiting for something like this. It looks like we are moving away from apps to web GPTs, this looks like chatbot interface is here to stay and 'AI' is now the default interface that is to be expected. I also don't need to spend lots of money on a developer to test my ideas out, this is great for product validation, I look forward to playing with GPTs. I can see writing, travel and other bots being more enhanced and more powerful, hopefully existing startups will adapt to this change. Exciting and interesting times!
- truakon89 3y agoBut where is the option/link to create a GPT? I can't find it
- bbor 3y agoI think I speak for a few of us AI Doomers here when I say that this makes me excited and terribly anxious at the same time. So... well done OpenAI :). Great news, and a great feature! I have no doubt that this will immensely increase uptake among the less technically literate, since it will allow the techy people in their life (or on the app store) to introduce them with much less friction. It'll be like the little examples you can find on the "New Chat" screen of every chatbot, but 1000x more engaging
- cubefox 3y agoYou clearly aren't much of a doomer yet. There is nothing exciting about a looming catastrophe.
- pphysch 3y ago*laughs in Accelerationism* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism
- MeImCounting 3y agoIf the catastrophe is mega-corps getting to monopolize a valuable technology because people saw The Terminator and thought it was a documentary then any announcement from OpenAI is bad news.
- cubefox 3y agoThe catastrophe is humanity going extinct from superintelligent AI. Like a native species going extinct after an invasive species arrives. Mentioning Terminator is like saying the Earth is flat because Hitler said it is round.
- MeImCounting 3y agoThis reminds of the Eliezer Yudkowsky tweet saying that AI was going to hack our DNA and use our bodies to mine bitcoin or something. Ridiculous fearmongering. I have probably read more sci-fi than the average HN user but the whole "superintelligent AI is going to kill us all" hysteria is among the more ridiculous ideas I have ever heard. Really though I have entertained all the doomers propositions and none of them seem any more likely than the plot of the Matrix. The ideas that prop these fears up are based on layers of ever more far fetched hypothesis about things that do not exist. If you have a novel reason why AI poses an x-risk I am more than interested in hearing it. Here is a really interesting quote that I think might go against some of the misanthropic tendencies of doomers and the tech crowd in general but it really is more relevant than ever: “There was also the Argument of Increasing Decency, which basically held that cruelty was linked to stupidity and that the link between intelligence, imagination, empathy and good-behaviour-as-it-was-generally-understood – i.e. not being cruel to others – was as profound as these matters ever got.”
- siva7 3y agoSo i guess the next wave of startups has been killed. I'm not even sure what kind of startup still makes sense as a gpt thin wrapper?
- ethanbond 3y agoNone of them, but here's the thing: they never made any sense.
- RobertDeNiro 3y agoYeah none of them ever did, and that was always very obvious. If you can make it by wrapping a few API calls, you have no moat and anyone can steal your idea/customers.
- dumbfounder 3y agoFirst-mover advantage can be powerful. If you can build a community around your wrapper quickly then you can leverage that community to build a moat.
- vikramkr 3y agoEven if you're doing something with strong network effects you've got to consider cases like facebook which weren't first movers in markets where there are super strong network effects and yet still won. You're not really going to have a 'community' based moat for PDF analyzer tool #5 or retrieval augmented generation knowledgebase parser #300. You're not gonna have a moat based on much else either...
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- constantly 3y agoThey never made sense long term, of course. But, plenty of first movers made a bundle of money making chatgpt wrappers and marketing the hell out of them. In that context, they probably made sense for a small subset of people for a small slice of time.
- Implicated 3y ago> Your access to custom GPTs isn’t ready yet. We’re rolling this feature out over the coming days. Check back soon. > Go to ChatGPT Sad. Have a real-world use case ready to go and a plus account.
- chankstein38 3y agoYeah I'm getting pretty sick of these announcements followed by insanely slow rollouts. I'm a paying customer and have been since Plus became available. So annoying.
- empath-nirvana 3y agoIs this basically them deploying fine tuned models? It wouldn't be very interesting to just be using custom prompts.
- bbor 3y agoI don't know for sure but I'd bet BIG money that these do not include automatic fine-tuning, though I still understand them to be a bit more powerful than just "custom prompts" -- think templates, or sets of custom prompts for specific (sub-)situations. This is the kind of feature that will prove to be a minor improvement for anyone on this forum, and a complete paradigm shift for the less technically-inclined. IMO.
- dragonwriter 3y ago> Is this basically them deploying fine tuned models? From the description of the past outside practice it is marketed as moving into OpenAI's offering, it sounds more like its custom prompts, not fine-tuned models.
- bearjaws 3y agoMore specifically, it seems like a RAG (retrieval augmented generation) system than fine tuning.
- Method-X 3y agoI think OpenAI will take the most popular "GPTs" in their store and launch their own fine tunes.
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- minimaxir 3y agoThe GPT Store will prove to be an interesting moderation and quality control experiment for OpenAI. Apple/Google have spent a lot of time and money on both of those things and they still have issues, and that's not even accounting for the fact that AI growth hackers will be the primary creators of GPTs. And a revenue sharing agreement will provide even more incentive to do the traditional App Store marketing shennanigans.
- nextworddev 3y agoI wouldn't be surprised if most of the moderation is done via elaborate AI automation. Also RIP chatgpt plugnins
- shmoogy 3y agoNot sure about currently - but budget increases seemed to be manually reviewed in a queue. I had to increase monthly budget amounts twice and it took like 10-30 hours for each approval, interesting to see how their processes advance.
- SheinhardtWigCo 3y agoTickets filed by plugin developers (including requests to publish or update a plugin) are handled by bots. The only contact I've had with a human there has been via backchannels.
- zer0c00ler 3y agoYes, thats also why policies aren’t enforced. I assume OpenAI knew all along that plugins probably are a dead end. Wonder if they will be around 6 months from now. But Actions will have all the same security challenges basically.
- joshspankit 3y agoI’m suddenly worried about that future. The more elaborate the moderation tooling, the faster the race to the bottom gets as revenue drives black-hat marketers to become experts in circumventing AI moderation. It could end up being Google “S”EO all over again where we eventually ended up with very little real information in the results.
- teabee89 3y ago"Example GPTs are available today for ChatGPT Plus and Enterprise users to try out including Canva and Zapier AI Actions." and yet as a paying ChatGPT Plus customer, neither the Canva nor the Zapier AI Actions link work for me, I get a "GPT inaccessible or not found" error for Canva or Zapier.
- vinni2 3y agoI have the same issue, my guess is they are still rolling out. Edit: here is the message I get: Your access to custom GPTs isn’t ready yet. We’re rolling this feature out over the coming days. Check back soon.
- nomel 3y agoOpenAI is a sane company. They do rollouts for new features.
- joshstrange 3y agoNo, they just lie in their marketing > Example GPTs are available today for ChatGPT Plus or > Starting today, no more hopping between models; everything you need is in one place. Neither of which are true. I'm a paying user and I have access to neither. They do this _all the time_. They announce something "available immediately" and it trickles out a week or more later. If they want to do gradual rollouts (which is smart) then they should say as much.
- omarfarooq 3y agoAre you sure? Both of those went live at 1 PM PST.
- KerryJones 3y agoI am sure, this happened to me
- namibj 3y agoI (Plus subscriber, EU) tried https://chat.openai.com/gpts/editor https://chat.openai.com/gpts/editor (as linked from https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8554407-gpts-faq#h_865493ff91 https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8554407-gpts-faq#h_86549... ) a minute ago and got a "You do not currently have access to this feature" toast notification on orange background top of pace, along with "chat.openai.com" in the URL bar. (Chrome on Android, but besides a responsive layout, I haven't noticed discrepancies with the desktop Chromium site/interface; sadly the native Android app still shows no signs of code interpreter mode.) The announced (and a few days ago leaked) Omni prompt also doesn't show up in the model selector. And that despite the expanded context looking very promising for the REPL-feedback-augmented code generation abilities.
- duxup 3y agoIs this just the role and content type data being set as you might with their dev tools?
- ilaksh 3y agohttps://chat.openai.com/gpts/editor https://chat.openai.com/gpts/editor "You do not currently have access to this feature"
- Roritharr 3y agoProbably a staged rollout once again leaving people outside of the US wait.
- ilaksh 3y agoI mean, I am in the US, have been waiting for the last rollout still..
- judge2020 3y agoI'm in the US and still don't have it.
- ccakes 3y agoAhh.. is that why I’ve been on the waitlist since day 1 for ChatGPT Enterprise? C’mon OpenAI, we’re /trying/ to give you money here!
- chabad360 3y agoNah, I'm in the US (with a US based account) and I'm still getting the message it's rolling out over the next few days (you have to open a sample to see that message).
- gzer0 3y agoPosting from another comment in a different thread, everything that is new from OpenAI developer day: - Context length extended to 128k (~300 pages). - Better memory retrieveal across a longer span of time - 4 new APIs: DALLE-3, GPT-4-vision, TTS (speech synthesis), and Whisper V3 (speech recognition). - GPT-4 Turbo, a more intelligent iteration, confirmed as superior to GPT-4. - GPT-4 Turbo pricing significantly reduced, about 3 times less expensive than GPT-4. Input and output tokens are respectively 3× and 2× less expensive than GPT-4. It’s available now to all developers in preview. - Improved JSON handling (via JSON mode) and function invocation for more sophisticated control. - Doubled rate limits with the option to request increases in account settings. - Built-in retrieval-augmented generation (RAG) and knowledge current as of April 2023. - Whisper V3 to be open-sourced and added to the API suite. - Copyright Shield initiative to cover legal fees for copyright-related issues. - Ability to create your own, custom "GPTs". - Assistants API and new tools (Retrieval, Code Interpreter) - 3.5 Turbo 16k now cheaper than old 4k. 0.003c per 1k in / 0.004c per 1k out.
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- pvg 3y agohttps://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20copy-paste%20comments&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- ilaksh 3y agoI can't access the GPTs stuff. I haven't actually got the last update either with the combined models or anything.
- runjake 3y agohttps://archive.ph/fEp7m https://archive.ph/fEp7m For others like me that are getting errors accessing the page.
- littlestymaar 3y ago> The best GPTs will be invented by the community > We believe the most incredible GPTs will come from builders in the community. Whether you’re an educator, coach, or just someone who loves to build helpful tools, you don’t need to know coding to make one and share your expertise. “Please work for us for free, while we keep all the product of your work for ourselves like we did with the content we scraped on the internet.” OpenAI really is next level parasitism.
- leobg 3y agoIsn’t that the game they all play? Amazon Marketplace. Apple App Store. Let the guinea pigs run. See which one gets the furthest. Then take away its lunch.
- glitchc 3y agoThe cynical me thinks the point of calling these GPTs is a ploy to trademark the term "GPT".
- heavyshark 3y agoAny word on when the GPTs will be available?
- imdsm 3y ago1 pm PST
- Y_Y 3y agoFuck that, release your models and let the "community" (of unpaid volunteers) freely use and own what they create
- rickcarlino 3y agoI’m very excited about all the new developments but must say that they really dropped the ball on marketing this one. The feature name is ambiguous and unsearchable.
- bparsons 3y agoHasn't this been around for a while?
- cafxx 3y agoWould be nice also if they fixed the ubiquitous "network errors" that happen approximately every single time...
- chankstein38 3y agoRight?! That then give you no way to interact except to force a regeneration. I don't want to waste messages or time repeating a long generation, I want to be able to either continue it or, if it's sufficient as is, just respond to it in place. I don't understand why you're forced to hit regenerate after those.
- mg 3y agoSo these "GPTs" are the combination of predefined prompts and custom API access? Not customly trained LLMs? If so, I guess you can make such a "GPT" on your own server and independent from a specific LLM service by using a prompt like ...you have available an API "WEATHER_API". If you need the weather for a given city for a given day, please say WEATHER_API('berlin', '2022-11-24') and I will give you a new prompt including the data you asked for... Or is there some magic done by OpenAI which goes beyond this?
- jondwillis 3y ago“GPTs” (terrible name) === Agents
- arcanemachiner 3y agoAgreed, but one is a recognizable trademark (I assume) and one is a generic catch-all term that means a lot of things and would probably be worse from a branding/marketing perspective.
- golol 3y agoNot even. An agent should primarily operate in some kind of self-prompting loop. Afaik xou can not specify complex and branching looping behaviors for GPTs.
- zer0c00ler 3y agoChatGPT and plugins were already agents. An agent just does stuff on somebody else’s behalf. Browsing, browses the Internet for the user, code interpreter creates and runs Python code for the user… What you describe are what’s called autonomous agents, and i agree that I also expected some interesting announcement there but probably too many security issues.
- golol 3y agoWell, I would say that when people at the moment say agent they mean what you call autonomous agent. Browsing or code interpreter is just LLM + tool use. I think there is a really large difference in quality between a system that just interacts 1-2 times with some tool/API before giving an answer and one that runs in a loop with undefined length (until it decides to terminate). It's like the difference between programming without loops or recursion vs with them. Night and day.
- ChrisArchitect 3y ago[dupe] More discussion over here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38166420 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38166420
- minimaxir 3y agoHN generally allows multiple related announcements for keynotes such as this.
- tracerbulletx 3y agoCan anyone explain what "extra knowledge" means specifically? Is that like fine tuning? How much data can I give it to learn? How much can it retain? Can it be updated over time?
- minimaxir 3y agoThe keynote used a .txt file of a lecture that the user uploaded as a data source the model can select from. From a technical perspective, it's anoher data source for retrieval-augmented generation (RAG) doing a vector search in the background: https://platform.openai.com/docs/assistants/tools/knowledge-retrieval https://platform.openai.com/docs/assistants/tools/knowledge-...
- tracerbulletx 3y agoAh ok, thank you.
- singularity2001 3y ago"optimizes for quality by adding all relevant content to the context of model calls." So for their own profits they maximize recall and let GPT handle precision.
- Racing0461 3y agoI doublt it's fine tuning (actually changing the model weights). It's more like "im going to paste a text blob then in the following chats i will ask questions about it) type inner prompt.
- singularity2001 3y agoFor longer documents it uses vector embeddings
- Racing0461 3y agoHow's that different from pasting the text in the first chat and running the vector embedding step on the text on the server (maybe at least bypassing the chat text limit)? Does this fix the amnesia issue where the info from chats longer than the context length is forgotton because the document isn't baked directly into the weights like fine tuning?
- dang 3y agoRelated ongoing threads: New models and developer products - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38166420 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38166420 OpenAI DevDay, Opening Keynote Livestream [video] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38165090 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38165090
- Racing0461 3y agoBarrier to entry for commercial or useful GPTs/Plugins/"Agents" is almost non-existant since its just a str.concat(hiddenprompt, user_prompt), the secret sauce (ie the weights, chat timeout and context length) are already generated/limited by OpenAI and they already have the content moderation/"hr dept" baked in at the weights level. So even if one was to create a "story writer helper" GPT, i don't see how it would be of any value generating new, unique and interesting content other than the prompt recipes we already have on reddit/r/chatgpt (heres 1000 prompts for every use case) that creates netflix like plots (inclusively diverse casting across ethnicities and orientations, socially conscious storylines, modern jargon-filled dialogue, themes of empowerment, progressive characters, and non-traditional relationship dynamics). This will most likely be like the google play store with a 99% of GPTs being a repackaged public prompt.
- ofermend 3y agoExcited about GPT4-Turbo and longer sequence lengths. Looking forward very much for faster inference. We just released Vectara's "Hallucination Evaluation Model" (aka HEM) today https://huggingface.co/vectara/hallucination_evaluation_model https://huggingface.co/vectara/hallucination_evaluation_mode..., with a leaderboard: https://github.com/vectara/hallucination-leaderboard https://github.com/vectara/hallucination-leaderboard GPT-4 was already in the lead. Looking forward to seeing GPT4-Turbo there soon.
- khaki54 3y agoI felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
- rco8786 3y agoDoes anyone know if this is just a "native" RAG implementation? Or if it's actually fine tuned models?
- minimaxir 3y agoNative RAG, with likely some secret sauce to align the models a bit better: https://platform.openai.com/docs/assistants/tools/knowledge-retrieval https://platform.openai.com/docs/assistants/tools/knowledge-... > Retrieval augments the Assistant with knowledge from outside its model, such as proprietary product information or documents provided by your users. Once a file is uploaded and passed to the Assistant, OpenAI will automatically chunk your documents, index and store the embeddings, and implement vector search to retrieve relevant content to answer user queries.
- hospitalJail 3y agoThis is sooo nice. What is everyone using for theirs? Here is mine "Be brief, give 10 answers, give probabilities that each answer is the best/most correct"
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- Vfiorx 3y agoMake and train your own LLM and you can literally duplicate your brain power and productivity. For almost free. Where’s everyone’s digital doubles?
- Vfiorx 3y agoI don’t understand why more people aren’t creating digital doubles of their brain..? You train your own LLM for practically free and have your own digital double to maximize any and all productivity. Why is there not more of this?
- rocmcd 3y agoTry it and let us know how it works out? I think you'll find that "maximizing any and all productivity" is both harder than you think and not really something worth striving for. Plus as neat as these advancements are, they are nowhere nearing the ability to create a "digital double of your brain" of yourself. There is a vast ocean from where we are are today to the possibility of replicating a brain digitally (if it's even physically possible).
- vunderba 3y agoSeveral github repos around this concept including Khoj and Danswer.
- ukuina 3y agoWhen local LLMs get better, maybe?
- EZ-E 3y agoI have the same feeling. 90% of my work is done in Slack and Email threads, if I had a (ideally local) LLM read and learn everything there, it would be immensely helpful - as in it could replace me to answer on most questions and queries.
- bluecrab 3y agoStartup funeral.
- nojvek 3y agoGoogles: Custom versions of Google. Anyone can easily build their own Google. No coding is required. You can make them for yourself, just for your company’s internal use, or for everyone. Creating one is as easy as starting a conversation, giving it instructions and extra knowledge, and picking what it can do, like searching the web, making images or analyzing data. The whole point of ChatGPT was go to one single place for all your knowledge needs. The whole point of Amazon is the largest collections of things you can buy and have it delivered to your doorsteps in a few days. I don't want many GPTs. I want one GPT that can reliably digest all information available on the internet, understand it, organize it and allow me to do useful things with it. It's the same enshittifaction on Whatsapp that Meta is doing with Celebrities AI like SnoopDog AI that are gimmicks. Please don't build gimmicky features. Leave that to the community via integrations.
- jes5199 3y agofor a while, adding a custom google search to your website was considered a great feature
- BoorishBears 3y agohttps://search.brave.com/goggles/create https://search.brave.com/goggles/create https://developers.google.com/custom-search/v1/overview https://developers.google.com/custom-search/v1/overview https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/bing/search-apis/bing-custom-search/overview https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/bing/search-apis/bing-cust...
- vunderba 3y agoThey still have that - it's just regular GPT-4. One immediate application about this one is that it makes it trivial to create a fine tuned version of GPT based on your data, where you can upload a series of documents that can basically act like a set of embeddings that augment the regular GPT trained data.
- nomel 3y ago> create a fine tuned version of GPT No. It's unclear fine-tuning is happening. Many are guessing it's RAG.
- jes5199 3y agothey mentioned revenue sharing in the keynote, and I'm eager to find out how that is going to work. There isn't much money in the $20/month subscription to go around to very many other developers
- ilaksh 3y agoWhat I was thinking for my own agent hub thing was to sell universal credits and charge per use or token. Then agent developers could specify what they want to charge.
- jes5199 3y agothat's kinda interesting but I'm not sure it maps well to the value added by a GPT app. Like, I'm imagining that I'll do old fashioned API work and GPT will the UI layer - sure, the tokens are the most expensive part, but the value for the customer comes from easy access to whatever is on the backend
- Dowwie 3y agoDoes this summarize to Pre defined custom instructions and workflows? What categories of fine tuning are associated with this work?
- moose4400 3y agoThis is exciting. However, I believe the most valuable tools will still be created outside of this ecosystem. We can see this playing out with the plug-in store. Full of low value and cursory tools. Additionally, why would you want to pigeonhole yourself when it comes to ability, control and revenue? Maybe I'm missing something but, in my opinion, for great value to come out of this greater incentive to build is needed. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
- dongobread 3y agoI don't think the target market for this is people looking for extremely knowledgeable LLMs that can handle deep technical tasks, given that you can't even finetune these models. I'd guess this is more of an attempt to poach the market of companies like character.ai. The market for models with a distinct character/personality is absolutely massive right now (see: app store rankings) and users are willing to spend insane amounts of money on it (in part because of the "digital girlfriend" appeal).
- crooked-v 3y ago> digital girlfriend The ban on "adult themes" is part of the reason people use services other than OpenAI for that kind of thing in the first place.
- Der_Einzige 3y agoSomeone has to give reasons for civit.ai and huggingface to exist!
- sucralose 3y agoOpenAI is against emotional attachment to their LLMs in general, even disregarding "adult themes".
- DonHopkins 3y agoNotice how it's "digital girlfriend" but not "digital boyfriend" that insane users will spend insane amounts of money on. So sad. But maybe it will distract the incels from harassing real women.
- 23B1 3y agoCan you elaborate a bit on why you think the market for distinct character/personality models is massive right now? I ask only because I've been asked by a fairly well-known GAI company to help them 'personality-ize' some of their models and I'm trying to understand who else is doing it, where, and why – namely because I'd like to keep doing it.
- JCharante 3y ago> ChatGPT Plus now includes fresh information up to April 2023 I'm so happy; I can finally ask questions about expo and trpc and get fresh answers. I confirmed this by asking chatgpt about the superbowl winners in 2022 & 2023.
- singularity2001 3y ago"you can now create custom versions of ChatGPT" how? login opens unrelated tab. Found it: https://chat.openai.com/gpts/discovery https://chat.openai.com/gpts/discovery -> create own -> https://chat.openai.com/gpts/editor https://chat.openai.com/gpts/editor
- anonymouse008 3y agoIs this scary? They said revenue share - it sounds like a streaming platform software licensing model. That sounds like getting paid much less than 70%.
- m3kw9 3y agoSo basically selling prompts but openai keeps the prompt a secret. Is that it?
- lucubratory 3y agoThey also run an RAG implementation for you, and there's probably some value in the store if it can surface high quality apps and have a good rating system. But basically, yeah. This is a complete replacement for every startup that was just a thin wrapper around the API - instead of being real startups those concepts will just be "GPTs" on the "GPT Store". I don't know how realistic or viable their solution is, but the sea of thin wrapper startups was never viable and everyone knew it.
- m3kw9 3y agoThat’s a RAG implementation?
- lucubratory 3y agoYes, it offers a lot more than I initially thought. I think for the presentation they wanted to emphasize how simple it was to build and use, so I missed the implications of what they were showing. But the ability to upload a document base to one of these "GPTs" that it can then rely on for its responses means they must have some RAG system implemented on the backend, probably a pretty good one as I expect them to be very good at embeddings and search (they have a huge number of Google alums). It can also have integrated Code Interpreter, Data Analysis, and Image handling/generation if you tick the boxes, plus what looks like a very significant list of functions it can call in order to act as an agent (e.g. changing your calender entries or sending messages at your request after double checking, something that's probably going to give simonw a heart attack). It looks like at base, with a short text description of what you want it to do and uploading of relevant documents, it may be able to replace like 95% of the GPT wrappers that have sprung up in the last 7-10 months. That's pretty impressive, because while all of those were doomed because they had no ability to defend themselves from competition, some of them were pretty useful.
- anonu 3y agoA couple dozen startups just died.
- joshstrange 3y ago> We’ve made ChatGPT Plus fresher and simpler to use > Finally, ChatGPT Plus now includes fresh information up to April 2023. We’ve also heard your feedback about how the model picker is a pain. Starting today, no more hopping between models; everything you need is in one place. You can access DALL·E, browsing, and data analysis all without switching. You can also attach files to let ChatGPT search PDFs and other document types. Find us at chatgpt.com. It's so annoying how they say this, I refresh and I still have to hop between models. Just say "rolling out over the next week" if that's what's happening. I even logged out and back in and still the same old way of doing it.
- lukejagg 3y agoThe roll outs are quite slow. Sometimes it takes weeks for them to release a feature to my account while I know others who get access immediately. I understand that it helps them control the quality of ChatGPT, but I wish I got access earlier as I have been subscribed since the beginning.
- chankstein38 3y agoSometimes it seems like logging off and back on causes these updates to hit. I didn't have Dall-e or image capabilities after weeks of it being released and I logged off and back on and both were available. This was between multiple computers logged in so it wasn't just a cache clearing situation.
- chankstein38 3y agoFor what it's worth, for me it appeared nothing was different except I could leave the Default model on, upload a picture, ask it to generate a similar one with a change, and it just booted up Dall-e and did so. I'm not sure if everyone's experience is like this. I agree it's super annoying how they handle these things. I do still have the dropdown but, set to Default, it would generate images for me. I do recommend logging off and logging back in if it isn't working. I've seen that update things for me.
- ryanSrich 3y agoThe lack of transparency around how they release access to features is infuriating. Especially when you pay for the product. I cannot stand it.
- thih9 3y agoIs this going to be openai’s moat? E.g. one popular comment in the submission about twitter’s new “edgy ai” was that it could be reimplemented as a chatgpt prompt[1]. Looks like this is even more relevant now. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38148845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38148845
- emadabdulrahim 3y agoWhen is the updated UI and feature set for ChatGPT rolling out?
- itissid 3y agoInteresting. They are taking the pain out of two things 1. RAG based infra building for people(regular joes). 2. Compartmentalize or Work around context lengths by introducing threads.
- alphanullmeric 3y agoSo what is the selling point for writers and artists now? Being more expensive, much slower and less capable than a machine? At the rate these things are progressing, there’s not going to be any point in keeping them around.
- Conscat 3y ago- Guy who doesn't read books or browse artwork.
- alphanullmeric 3y agoHow much something is valued is determined by how much others are willing to give up for it, and looking at artist salaries it’s already not much. Whether or not I browse artwork would make little difference. Trying to attack me for pointing out that something else does the job better doesn’t improve your value proposition at all.
- Conscat 3y agoThe point is that you are required to have poorly refined taste if you feel that machine learning's literary output is remotely competitive with skilled authors.
- thereisnoself 3y agoWhat's the file upload limit? I can see many junior roles being replaced if a large corpus of data can be uploaded.
- trash_cat 3y agoTheir zappier demo was uninspiring. They are trying to appeal to the mainstream (non devs) users when their actual value is the API. Everyday users don´t have access to propriatery data that makes the LLM Bots valuable. This makes me think that open source models are the future, for other reasons as well. No company is going to give them OpenAI their data to make bots, regardless if they won't train on the data. So what OpenAI can do at the moment is to focus on everyday user, and see where the biggest use cases are. Furthermore, as Sam alluded to, this confirms to me that multi-LLM architectures (AutoGen, AutoGPT, BabyAGI etc) is the future. It´s about pushing the ways in which we can use these models, i.e. using different architectures because it will be a while before we get into more powerful models. These is simply no compute for it at the moment. The dust has yet to settle.
- atleastoptimal 3y agoThe issue is all open source models are made by huge companies with an indirect profit motive. There is too much scale advantage for open source models to be competitive in any field other than those which venture backed companies deliberately avoid (porn, illegal stuff, etc).
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- x0x0 3y agoI disagree. There's a lot of folks using zapier that would like some light automation -- I have fielded requests from several -- who are not engineers and cannot build anything with an api. The bit where they built out the functionality with zapier and human instructions was aimed squarely at folks like this.
- mycall 3y ago> No company is going to give them OpenAI their data to make bots, regardless if they won't train on the data. Public transit agencies are dying to give OpenAI their schedules data to make bots.
- caglaroktay 3y agoI don't get where is a place for chatGPT plugins now. are they gonna allow plugins enabled in the new gpts now?
- mvkel 3y agoThis feels like simply a system prompt generator. It gives you a survey to generate a decent system prompt from, then staples that prompt to the front of any interactions with the GPT. It doesn't seem to be much smarter than a simple "tell me how I should interpret inputs from the user."
- LouisvilleGeek 3y agoOne of the things I did not care for is setting my plugin hints from the Custom Instructions setting. It seems this will allow for each "GPT" agent to have their own system instructions which will be quite handy.
- garbanz0 3y agoWhen I saw this, I figured it was a clear step back from simply using plugins in the main ChatGPT view. It's basically plugins, but with extra prompting and you can only use one at a time. But if you look at projects like Autogen ( https://github.com/microsoft/autogen https://github.com/microsoft/autogen ), you see one master agent coordinating other agents which have a narrower scope. But you have to create the prompts for the agents yourself. This GPTs setup will crowd-source a ton of data on creating agents which serve a single task. Then they can train a model that's very good at creating other agents. Altman nods to this immediately after the GPTs feature is shown, repeating that OpenAI does not train on API usage. Prediction: next year's dev day, which Altman hints will make today's conference look "quaint" by comparison, will basically be an app built around the autogen concept, but which you can spin up using very simple prompts to complete very complex tasks. Probably on top of a mixture of GPT 4 & 5.
- LouisvilleGeek 3y agoCurious if anyone that has access can verify that we can still build "actions" via localhost like we previously did with plugins?
- breadsniffer 3y agoGPTs replacing AI startups is what happens when they are pushed to ship as fast as possible by VCs and YC. What do they end up shipping? Very small +1 features that are already on OpenAI's roadmap.
- bertil 3y agoWhat is your impression of how respectful of their ecosystem this was? I saw many “OpenAI killed my start-up”-type reactions. Still, it feels like they are trying to handle obvious use cases in the ecosystem and make things easier to integrate canonically and more transparently. And to handle legal concerns. It was their first ecosystem conference. Then again, iOS felt like a very promising ecosystem when the iPhone 4 came out; I feel like it turned into an addendum/duplicate of the web rather than something genuinely original. Android seems more vivid, but not much more.
- SheinhardtWigCo 3y agoWithout getting into specifics, I operate a ChatGPT plugin with a lot of users. It sounds like the GPT Store will solve some of the rough edges with plugins as they exist today, but I'm not interested. OpenAI has been a horrible "partner" to work with. The team that owns this product is terribly under-resourced. You have no hope of reaching a human unless you have an inside contact. Support tickets are handled by GPT; policies are arbitrarily enforced; and major bugs in the API and documentation are simply ignored. There's an amazing opportunity there for user acquisition, obviously, but do you really want to put your hand in the pain box?
- cagataycali 3y agoBasically the OpenAI invented TinyAI.id (4 months later)
- sidcool 3y agoI didn't understand this well enough to appreciate it. What's the use cases and how about privacy? How's it different to regular GPT 4?
- partiallypro 3y agoI'd love to have a GPT for language learning, granted this would also require vocal inputs and audio.
- TheCaptain4815 3y agoSo disappointed these only allow for one agent/model. Was hoping for an autogen clone + GUI pretty much. Not very useful with single agents
- adkandari 3y agoWell the market is pretty obvious. Example - Fitness Influencer on Instagram can be your personal coach,i.e. the AI clone of the Fitness Influencer you can subscribe to at a fairly low price, as personal consultations are expensive and physically limited. So people with distributions and expertise will train their GPTs, make them accessible at affordable prices. good for creators, it's passive income source and good for consumers, affordable service/education.
- rajnathani 3y agoThis is just slid into the last paragraph, but it is a pretty big deal as this knowledge cutoff date is now past ChatGPT’s initial launch date (thus OpenAI has likely sort of figured out as to how to exclude crawled text data generated by itself and other LLMs on the internet): > Finally, ChatGPT Plus now includes fresh information up to April 2023.
- smcleod 3y agoMore non-standard, closed source, vendor lock in.
- RugnirViking 3y agowhy would these be any better than asking regular chatgpt the same thing? I've had the same problem with plugins, I was excited by the idea but looking through the store theres nothing remotely useful or interesting. I don't want to hate on them, id love to hear about interesting or useful usecases if anyones found use for them
- Sai_ 3y agoCustom GPTs are fine but they’re sort of useless. Since anyone wanting to use a custom GPT has to have a ChatGPT Plus account, they themselves can spin up an even more targeted, even better prompt than anything you could come up with and use that instead. Unless your custom gpt provides some special bells and whistles through functions or APIs, your custom gpt ideas are going to r copied by someone who can spin up those special bells and whistles and API calls and cut you out from the middle.
- SodaPrompt 3y agoTrying to make myself learn Python, but it's slow going. Sometimes simpler is better though, so I don't completely write off tinkering.
- golol 3y agoI think "GPTs" is peak bitter lesson
- amthewiz 3y agoIn the blog, they say > we’re launching the GPT Store, featuring creations by verified builders Any idea who these “verified” builders are, how they are selected and how to submit a GPT that gets selected in the rollout?