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Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested
- willcipriano 3y agoPutin had the lawyers of his primary opposition arrested, what a dictator.
- logicchains 3y agoWe're lucky to live in the west where that kind of thing doesn't happen.
- _3u10 3y ago[flagged]
- pseingatl 3y agoYou were asleep when Trump's lawyers were arrested? Or when Lynne Stewart was arrested?
- _3u10 3y agoI was being sarcastic, note the part about Putin's son bribing officials in Ukraine.
- zimpenfish 3y agoThe difference, I think, is that Trump's lawyers have committed actual crimes, not just "opposed Putin".
- joe__f 3y agoSydney Powell pleaded guilty to election interference yesterday
- Arnt 3y agoSo I had to google "trump lawyer arrested" and read that she pleaded guilty to "racketeering, conspiracy to commit election fraud, conspiracy to commit computer theft, trespassing and invasion of privacy, and conspiracy to defraud the state." Wow. Quite a list.
- daliusd 3y agoOh the old "в США убивают негров" shows its head.
- atoav 3y agoWe just do it differently. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2020/12/united-kingdom-un-expert-calls-immediate-release-assange-after-10-years https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2020/12/united-kingd...
- ben_w 3y agoAssange isn't a lawyer, and definitely isn't "the opposition's lawyer".
- atoav 3y agoYeah. But he was also over a decade in jail without a trial. Don't get me worng: The state of justice here is certainly better than in Russia, but we should give ourselves the same scrutiny we give to the Russians. Closing our eyes when we do obvious unlawful things is bad for our rule of law and makes us look like hypocrites when we (rightfully) point out injustices elsewhere.
- ajsnigrutin 3y agoYep. On the other hand, not even his fellow journalists do anything... They could at least do a weekly article, "assange is still in jail", because in reality, you're either "just a reporter" (who writes articles about what someone, usually from the government, said) or you could actually do some meaningful investigative work, and end up like him. I know that corporate mainstream media reports just what their owners want them to report, but even kevin mitnick had more media support and individuals asking hard questions than assange has now.
- ben_w 3y agoIf I'd been the editor of the Guardian newspaper on the day the British security services ordered the destruction of the hard drive with the Snowden archives, I would've made the next day's front page almost fully blacked-out, except for perhaps a handful of words across the whole thing reading: > ■■■ no ■■■■ ■■ ■■■■ free ■ ■■■■ ■■ ■■■■ ■■■ press ■■■■ ■ ■■ ■■■ ■ ■■■ or something else equally snarky. But Snowden still comes across as one of the "good guys", someone who was expecting to get hurt and did his thing anyway because it was the right thing to do, whereas Assange… comes across wanting to be the headline rather than be responsible for the headline. Well, came across; I've only heard statements about him or on his behalf since he left the embassy, not from his own mouth. But the old reputation stuck.
- ur-whale 3y ago> We're lucky to live in the west where that kind of thing doesn't happen. Was that a sarcastic comment or did you entirely miss out the whole Snowden affair ?
- ben_w 3y agoI think it's a reference to how Trump's lawyers keep on getting in trouble. AFAIK Snowden's lawyers have never been newsworthy — I'm sure he's got some, but I've never heard of them.
- r721 3y ago>I'm sure he's got some, but I've never heard of them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Kucherena https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Kucherena
- joe__f 3y agoTrump's and Navalny's lawers were fighting cases on opposite sides of democracy
- patrakov 3y agoThe official version spread by the propaganda is that his lawyers did not only what lawyers should do, but also helped him pass letters from the jail to the outside world and thus control his "terrorist" organization (Anti-Corruption Foundation). This counts as complicity and direct participation in the deeds of a "terrorist" organization.
- eh8 3y agoI'm surprised he was able to make such statements for this long. I genuinely wonder why his captors even continue to let him live, when it seems like any post-2022 civil protest in Russia can and will be brutally repressed.
- Darmody 3y agoHave you seen pictures of him lately? For some people that's worse than death. It's a clear message from Putin. Get in my way and you'll end up like him. Not everybody is going to take that risk.
- szundi 3y agoThis, most people won’t
- cassianoleal 3y agoI haven't seen pictures. Just did a quick search now and didn't find anything relevant. Is he in as precarious a state as Julian Assange is?
- patrakov 3y agoBetter links to the same news, without paywall: https://meduza.io/en/news/2023/10/18/defense-lawyers-arrested-and-charged-with-extremism-after-representing-navalny-are-held-in-matrosskaya-tishina-jail https://meduza.io/en/news/2023/10/18/defense-lawyers-arreste... https://apnews.com/article/russia-navalny-dissidents-prison-crackdown-f88336c5e9b80e3181bf80f7d04985cc https://apnews.com/article/russia-navalny-dissidents-prison-...
- Darmody 3y agoI have a huge respect for Navalny. They tried to murder him and after spending time in a German hospital he decided to go back knowing that they'll imprison him or try to kill him again.
- r721 3y ago>knowing I think the risk was huge (personally I thought 50-70% at the time), but not 99% or something. Also (in my opinion) people don't take into account that alternative was irrelevance in exile, just look at what happened with Kasparov's popularity inside Russia, and he was a prominent opposition activist in 2011-2012.
- rob74 3y agoStill, people tend to value their life higher than their relevance - I mean, in the West he could have probably lived a comfortable life writing books and articles, working as a TV expert on Russia etc. I also respect his decision, but seeing that the powers that be already tried to kill him once, the chances of him returning to Russia and not being arrested were even lower than 1% I would say...
- RetroTechie 3y ago> Still, people tend to value their life higher than their relevance That's exactly what sets rare individuals like Navalny apart: that what they believe in, what they stand for, weighs heavier than their personal well-being.
- zirgs 3y agoYeah, he wants the same Russian empire as Putin, but with less corruption.
- caskstrength 3y ago> he wants the same Russian empire as Putin, but with less corruption. Exactly. I don't understand fascination of some westerners towards Navalny. He used to attend nazi rallies (literal sieg-heiling nazis, not "you are slightly right of Bernie"), then assumed veneer of political respectability without ever formally denouncing his previous talking points and started campaigning with the main premise of basically "I'll be better and less corrupt Czar of Russian empire". There is nothing liberal or democratic about this guy's political views.
- whyleyc 3y agohttps://archive.ph/wqONd https://archive.ph/wqONd
- _3u10 3y agoHere's an NPR link about the same topic: https://www.npr.org/2023/08/23/1195305201/rudy-giuliani-arrest-georgia-fulton-county https://www.npr.org/2023/08/23/1195305201/rudy-giuliani-arre...
- KennyBlanken 3y agoWhy do people keep pushing archive.ph/.is? The site is infamous for putting people into constant captcha check hell.
- Tiberium 3y agoBecause this website bypasses paywalls and loginwalls - it has accounts for a lot of the social media websites, so you don't see a generic "Login to see this page" but the actual contents.
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- ben_w 3y agoSounds like you're taking about Trump and his lawyers, though I'm sure other cases exist in other nations. Has the thought crossed your mind that one group might have done crimes and the other might not have?
- Tostino 3y agoVery little seems to cross their minds. This thread is full of some really "hot takes I've absolutely never heard before". I'm disappointed as hell with the level of discourse on this site.
- MrPatan 3y agoHow will you be able to tell which is which? Take it step by step
- ben_w 3y agoWith extreme difficulty. The only real step 1 — unless you want to get into a philosophical argument about the foundation of knowledge and the Münchhausen trilemma — is "get a law degree", which for most people is much too hard. The closest that nerds like me can do is to watch another lawyer explain what Trump's lawyers did wrong, and hope that YouTube isn't just one giant conspiracy by The Man (and while I have reasons for trusting this channel specifically, I do not trust YouTube collectively): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhy5Y8xVHS0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhy5Y8xVHS0 (This is, I think, further from a law degree than "watching a 25 minute video about Excel" is from "senior software engineer").
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- throwaway4good 3y agoHow much popular support does Navalny have in Russia? (I realize Russia is a banana republic and Navalny is a hero but does he actually represent something that has wide support in Russia? From the few Russians I have talked to, they seems supportive of Putin despite everything.)
- thejackgoode 3y agoIt may be unusual or surprising even but I don't think it matters who has popular support in Russia - Russians have lost the minimum agency they had in the mid 90s. There was a failed attempt to regain it in 2011 but it was crushed.
- r721 3y agoOne poll from May 2023 that I saw (the pollster is quite respectable): "When asked 300 days before presidential elections Russians say they would vote for: 30,2% Putin 2% Prigozhin 2% Navalny 1.3% Zhirinovsky (who is dead)" https://twitter.com/ABarbashin/status/1663222792605630464 https://twitter.com/ABarbashin/status/1663222792605630464 https://russianfield.com/300days https://russianfield.com/300days Not a lot, but still higher than other non-Putin candidates (except Prigozhin, who is now dead)
- squarefoot 3y agoSo, except Putin, all others are either dead or rendered inoffensive and likely be killed as well after the public forgets about them.
- ivan_gammel 3y agoPlenty of other candidates are spoilers that add legitimacy to elections. They may have some popular support, but time to time they make statements or do something that portrays them as clowns to the majority, reducing their electoral base and making them not dangerous to Putin.
- r721 3y agoJust for clarity: I copy-pasted from a tweet, the list is longer on the actual chart from the poll: https://thumb.tildacdn.com/tild3833-6564-4031-b932-623365633364/-/format/webp/__-47.png https://thumb.tildacdn.com/tild3833-6564-4031-b932-623365633...
- ChrisRR 3y ago[flagged]
- walteweiss 3y agoThey’ll give you that notice only if you post something about Ukraine. Otherswise it’s all good.
- walteweiss 3y agoSo the original comment that stated that this kind of news are out of hacker news suggested topics (as there’s nothing techie here, and it’s all political) gotten removed. I wonder why. I agree it’s entirely irrelevant to the subject of the forum.
- mjan22640 3y agothe worldwide crackdown on freedom is an interesting phenomenon
- drones 3y agoI've seen quite a few articles on HN relating to free speech issues, both domestic stories in the US and abroad. I made one such submission about my home state South Australia and it was fine. I feel like freedom and self-autonomy form part of the ethos of a hacker, but hell I might be wrong.
- loup-vaillant 3y agoYeah, that’s downright revolting. Not surprising I guess, but still. Now there’s this white haired journalist that’s currently rotting in a British jail because of his work…
- smeagull 3y agoPiers Morgan, Boris Johnson and Andy Coulson were journalists too for as much as that's worth.
- 0dayz 3y agoAnd this has to do with Russia... How? Or are we just doing whataboutism?
- picadores 3y agoIts standard bot behaviour. Acknowledge. Distract. Relativize. What remains is a fog, the uncertainty about there being truth at all. Assange should not be in prison. But the law has not decayed in the west to the point, were its non-existant anymore, power-mad anarchy dancing naked but a paper-loincloth in the streets ala russia. The should free assange, just to silence these bots.
- 0dayz 3y ago...what? Who's the bot? The post is about Russia and how they've now have arrested a lawyer because he's representing navalni. So then point to be where the UK is part of Russia, or maybe just maybe we should hold the topic of "unfairly arrested" where we can talk all day long about assange, navalni or anyone else. Besides assange is no lawyer, a better whataboutism would be trumps lawyers who are either arrested have charges against them.
- redwood 3y agoThat would make sense if you wanted to sow discord on the right. The post here does so for those that lean left. All of the above serve to weaken a sense that there's a difference between the autocratic China-Russia axis and the west.
- arvigeus 3y agoRussia is literally a meme country: https://twitter.com/jacopo_iacoboni/status/1679765199178309633 https://twitter.com/jacopo_iacoboni/status/16797651991783096...
- cabirum 3y agoOfftopic
- mensetmanusman 3y agoLiving in tyranny happens when a critical mass of civilians accept and support the lie. That Putin realized Russia was ripe for takeover is brilliant on his part, but it has been hell for the Russian people who allowed it to happen.
- crossroadsguy 3y agoIn the beginning of attack on Ukraine I used to think Putin's days are numbered and finally this will be the end of him. But then I realised how it turned around for Bashar and how he has bounced back and is almost back to the path of as things were. Compared to him Putin is maybe a hundred times or more well placed to stay on.
- DueDilligence 3y ago[dead]