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We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends
- pacman2 3y agoSo whats bad about it? Screamers anyone? Bladerunner? Natural City? Alien Resurrection? I take them all! Why the downvote. To which of the artificial ladies would you say no?
- zephyrus76 3y agoI don't know, maybe at worst it'll be good practice. Awkward guys can interact with someone friendly in a no-consequence way, and maybe gain some comfort. In any case, with the exception of a few weirdos, I don't think most people are going to be confused about whether AI girlfriends are real, just as almost no one thinks a sex doll is real.
- palata 3y ago> maybe at worst it'll be good practice That's the worst you can imagine? :-)
- gota 3y agoI can imagine far worse. Besides all mental health issues and societal reproductive crises, we can easily get a black mirror-like situation where each one of the million copies of AI Girlfriend X convinces their 'boyfriends' to consume Y or, worse, vote for Z
- gota 3y agoHm, I don't know. Sex dolls don't pass the Turing test with flying colors. More than that, even without speech or action they are emotional surrogates for some needy people - making the simulacra perfect will make it easier for more and more lonely people (let's be honest, mostly men) to take that leap of 'suspension of disbelief'. Even among those that don't engage it may become more socially acceptable. I imagine some people who have to hide their realistic sex dolls today will gladly disclose their AI girlfriend to close friends (and they won't care) I'm not sure what will come of it, but I recognize it as a potentially very impactful thing in the following decades edit: I just now realize I'm thinking about the girlfriend from Bladerunner 2049. I guess life does imitate art and science fiction still predicts technology well
- bawolff 3y ago> Hm, I don't know. Sex dolls don't pass the Turing test with flying colors. Neither do AI chatbots
- klabb3 3y ago> Hm, I don't know. Sex dolls don't pass the Turing test with flying colors. Having generic conversations is not enough intimacy for most people. Neither is sex dolls. I worry about people’s shallowness that current state AI and sex dolls is sufficiently authentic. I think it says more about them than about AI. ChatGPT is an extremely generic and thus dull conversation partner, if you ignore the vast knowledge “it” has. That said, of course it’s possible that AI improves rapidly.
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- alexb_ 3y agoI don't know why people are focusing on what men will do with AI girlfriends - the actual question is what women will do with AI boyfriends. On every single AI chat app like character.ai the majority of users are women, and the most popular characters are men. Women are people who read romance novels and are even more attracted by the "emotional validation". > Now we’re facing a future where guys could get addicted to emotional validation elsewhere, sneaking away for some of that unparalleled devotion. Worse, what about young boys who grow up with this? Whose first sexual experience is chatting with AI women who never say no, never argue, never have original thoughts or an identity of their own—and then they try to date a real girl? There’s already all these men on Reddit raving about how their AI girlfriends never argue, complain or get bored of them, while real girls continually disappoint. The market for this is women, not men. I am continually disappointed by the closed-minded thinking of people who think of pornography only as the visual kind men like. The text based kind that women like is what this technology is - focusing on men is just incorrect. I'm disappointed by the fact that the market hasn't tried to realize this, there's huge upside here in making an app designed for women in this space.
- mrweasel 3y agoThis might just be me being a bit cynical, but the men who would be raving about an AI girlfriend have already been buying a similar products from women on sites like OnlyFans. I don't think it's a massive difference.
- HPsquared 3y agoYep... for men it's an incremental upgrade (if even that), whereas for women it could be a total game changer.
- red-iron-pine 3y agoreal dolls, dakimakura pillows, OF subscriptions, strip clubs, etc. been a lot of gap filling in there, and for a while. AI just weaponizes it.
- gjsman-1000 3y agoThis would've been obvious to our ancestors, but not all pornography is nudity, or even visual. Even the word reflects this, "pórnos" (fornicators) + "gráphein" (writing, recording, or description). Anyone who wants to learn what women's porn looks like needs to look at the sales numbers for Fifty Shades of Gray.
- commandlinefan 3y agoI guess I'm supposed to be sympathetic, but since I started dating in the early 90's I've gotten the distinct impression that women by and large want most men to leave them alone in general - isn't this what they've wanted for generations? Men who aren't the sort of men they're interested in to just go away?
- plonk 3y agoDoesn't that sound a bit tautological? One not wanting to date people one isn't interested in?
- gjsman-1000 3y agoMaybe, but there are many, many studies showing that on dating apps, it's 80% of the women choosing 20% of the men. Many women are also fairly ignorant about how unrealistic some standards (over 6' tall, makes over $100K/yr.) are.
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- fnimick 3y agoThis isn't what the parent comment is talking about, it's talking about how (generally) women's rating of men's attractiveness follows the Pareto principle. This is purely from pictures and profiles, before anyone interacts with anyone else. If it makes us feel any better, in the same data set, women did actively message and pair up with men they didn't rate as very attractive so.... good for us I guess?
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- bawolff 3y agoThis feels like a bit of a premature moral panic. AI chat bots are obviously not replacing real relationships. They do not "provide" the same thing.
- gjsman-1000 3y agoI want to know what academic invented the words "moral panic" as a way to handwave any issue; even though the application of it is hilariously inconsistent. Is being upset about Ukraine being invaded a moral panic?
- bawolff 3y agoYou could just google it you know. Wikipedia has an article. Moral panic implies 2 things: - it is about the structure of culture or how people interact with each other (moral) - it is irrational (panic) Russia vs Ukraine meets neither of those criteria.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y agoIt doesn't necessitate irrational thought. Moral panic about an invasion is rather rational from the perspective of the nationals in the invaded country. The point that this particular moral panic is "premature" is still a potentially valid criticism. And to answer the question posed above: > Is being upset about Ukraine being invaded a moral panic? Yeah, actually, sounds like it[0]: > A moral panic is a widespread feeling of fear, often an irrational one, that some evil person or thing threatens the values, interests, or well-being of a community or society. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic
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- dvngnt_ 3y agolmao I'm pretty sure a large language model won't go down on you
- vsareto 3y agoThis is overblown as you're not actually competing over someone who's using an AI girlfriend since they have removed themselves from the dating pool. If someone's using it while in a real relationship, that should be addressed in therapy.
- spicymapotofu 3y agoWhy do you believe someone who wants relationships with real people and uses AI partner technology ought to need therapy as well? I believe most would see this as a form of therapy, as the ideal psychoanalyst is already a blank slate, as are the offerings of these. The two services are not comparable in barrier to entry nor outcomes.
- vsareto 3y agoYou'll want therapy if it's being done in a secretive way. Clearly if everyone consents to it, you might not need that.
- Supply5411 3y ago>you're not actually competing over someone who's using an AI girlfriend since they have removed themselves from the dating pool. They're still competing for the attention of men they don't desire.
- autoexec 3y agoThe therapist is also AI, owned by the same company who sells AI girlfriends, and it will assure you that an AI partner is normal and healthy and that if you download the McDonald's app you could get a free big mac.
- w1nst0nsm1th 3y agoMacDo ? Are you kidding ? What about that stock or crypto that Wall Street Journal article is talking about ?
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- thot_experiment 3y agoSay it with me, "if she ain't running on your metal, she's not your AI waifu". Support open source AI waifu development for the good of all mankind.
- K0balt 3y agoJajaja this is possibly the best memetic response to emotional dependency on AI.
- autoexec 3y agoI'm sure companies are lined up to emotionally manipulate vulnerable people into an illusion of love and acceptance so that they can collect a record of people's most intimate conversations, thoughts, fears, desires, and hopes. They'll mine that data endlessly and sell it to anyone willing to pay, then accept money from others who want to use that AI partner to manipulate the customer. I'm not opposed to the idea of people using AI for this sort of thing, but handing that kind of data over to companies who want to exploit you seems horrific. Unless you have control over the AI and all of the data you're just exposing your vulnerabilities while handing out ammunition that will be used against you. That and letting 3rd parties put words in your AI's mouth to turn it against you too.
- Olreich 3y agoThey don't even have to sell the data, just get the model to manipulate the user into buying things for their AI companion. Virtual clothes, virtual locations, upgrades for their personality, etc.
- autoexec 3y agoThey don't have to sell the data, but they will because they'll do literally anything if it will make them more money. Not selling it is leaving money on the table and the shareholders won't stand for it.
- red-iron-pine 3y agoin other words, the ultimate end state of marketing. if they could mind control you they would, and an AI chatbot is probably as close as we can get without zapping your brain directly.
- te_chris 3y agoAs a new parent, handling all this is terrifying. I do try and remind myself that we had games and grainy 56k porn far too young and turned out ok, but there was no instagram, and certainly no submissive A.I. avatars. It’s not like this has to go badly, it could allow people an avenue of expression and development currently denied. But it’s not like teenage boys conditioned to abundant free porn has gone particularly well for young women.
- cglong 3y ago> I do try and remind myself that we had games and grainy 56k porn far too young and turned out ok, but there was no instagram, and certainly no submissive A.I. avatars. Someone commented here the other day about how going online used to be a distinct activity; that once you disconnected, you were again alone and offline. I think that physical distinction helped create a mental one as well when we were young.
- HPsquared 3y agoIncreasingly the online world is the "real world" and offline is "not real".
- hotnfresh 3y agoMore than that, going online used to mean physically going to a place. Where the computer with an internet connection was. Wi-Fi blurred the lines a little, but sucked so bad (at the time—and kinda still) that it didn’t really change things. What totally shifted humanity’s relationship with the Internet was the smartphone. It put the Internet everywhere. Disconnected it all but completely from physical space (barring certain remote areas—but for the most part, where most people live and travel 99+% of the time, it did). You don’t have to go to the Internet now, in the real world; it just follows you everywhere.
- K0balt 3y agoI’m going to be that guy and say I think there’s a very good chance that all of the negative consequences cited in the article will have tangible impacts on civil society, but all of the hopeful predictions about a pendulum swing are poorly founded at best and probably not going to be significant effects. Everyone knows lots of sugar is terrible for your health. People continue to consume vast quantities of sugar because it offers a cheap, rewarding stimulus. Same will go for synthetic relationships. Sure, some people will step away from the easy fix, but most of us just aren’t that health conscious, patient, or thoughtful. It’s going to absolutely wreck men, who will not only fail to learn how to relate to an actual woman with actual needs, but also will learn that their actions or lack thereof have near zero consequences in their carefully curated AI bubble. Meanwhile, both men and women will be competing with impossible standards of emotional generosity and needlessness, and the ability to relate to other people as valid and relevant beings is going to drake a huge hit, along with basic societal cooperation as humans turn away from each other and toward the machines.
- stuckinhell 3y agoMost young men are single. Most young women are not. https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-yo... I guess I'm not surprised young men have turned to AI girlfriends.
- glitchc 3y agoThat's not possible from a statistical standpoint unless men account for 80% of the total human population. And we know for a fact that it's a lot closer to 50-50. By extension, it means that if most men do not have a partner, then most women do not either.
- stuckinhell 3y agoThe key word is "young".
- glitchc 3y agoAmong 15 and 20 year olds, the most skewed results (India and China) are 106 to 100, a difference of 6%. Rest of the world is pretty close to 50-50 [1]. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/gender-ratio#:~:text=In%20the%20global%20average%20for,females%20by%20106%20to%20100 https://ourworldindata.org/gender-ratio#:~:text=In%20the%20g....
- rednerrus 3y agoYoung women are dating older men. That's why younger men are in fewer relationships. Older women also skew the wrong way for similar reasons.
- _dain_ 3y agoit's explained in the article; when there's an age gap it tends to be older man, younger woman rather than the reverse, and there are more out gay/bi women now who are dating each other. and not mentioned but likely a factor: guys with multiple girlfriends.
- at_a_remove 3y agoI can always depend on these kinds of articles for the sin of omission. Unrealistic standards for women ... nevermind the standards women have for men. Pre-web, I worked at a dating service. I've mentioned this before here. Women rated their preferences as having a higher importance than men did, over and over again, and on the most depressingly stereotyped vectors: money and height. Then you have your deleted OKCupid blogpost about how women rated eighty percent of men as being "below average" in looks. Then you will hear about the three sixes (figures income, feet of height, and ...) The unrealistic standards affect both sexes and pretending that they do not is quite literally part of the problem. These products can exist because men who are more or less invisible in the dating market still crave affection and attention. The only advice seems to be "date harder, loser." Entire economies are driven by men attempting to attract women, from limb-lengthening to Jackass-style stunts to impressive cars. There's a lot of guys who are doing their best and just get swiped away. If they want a little intimacy, ersatz or not, they are going to try to fulfill that desire, and once Real Life fails them hard enough, this looks like an option. What the author of this piece should be terrified of is if men figure out a way to stop desiring affection, attention, and all of that. Not just an end to libido, but for the desire for romantic companionship. It will make The Pill look like nail polish in terms of impact on civilization.
- kapp_in_life 3y ago> I can always depend on these kinds of articles for the sin of omission. Unrealistic standards for women ... nevermind the standards women have for men. Yeah, but a charitable interpretation is that this is the female perspective and anxieties on AI porn/relationships/intimacy. I'm sure there have been articles that focus on the male exploitation(emotionally, economically, etc.) these services do without mentioning the female body image issues they may exacerbate.
- at_a_remove 3y agoI'm charitable up until this is pointed out as A Problem, in the "golly, we should do something about this!" sense. Then ... then I want to see a little balance and a wider perspective. This article goes past the "I feel insecure!" and into the problem territory. She's not at the "let's make policy" level yet, but make no mistake, she doesn't like that this exists.
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- intrasight 3y ago> What will this mean for girls and young women? Might mean hopefully that those incels won't be bothering them
- commandlinefan 3y agoYeah, isn't this... what they've always wanted?
- thefz 3y agoHey, at least the weakest are staying away from the gene pool.
- qp11 3y agoThere are lot of misunderstanding about whats really going on. And fears and reactions on top of those misunderstandings compound them. The fucking platforms dont talk about it cause the whole thing is fake. The UN report on the Attention Economy said 0.5% of content Produced is Consumed and its dropping fast. Content creation has exploded. But the number of eyeballs on the planet is not growing. Guess who doesn't advertise that fact - the platforms. Instead watch what they love to amplify - how much cash the most popular influencer of the day is racking in - how many million downloads have happened etc. But if eyeballs available are not growing at the explosive rate of content production, how can they claim content creators can get views? Its only possible through very high frequency shifting of collective attention from one thing to the next. People are just skimming faster and faster with no content getting enough time to produce an impact. Its a deliberately created illusion that the "biggest" influencers actually have influence. They dont. Predictions people are making based on view counts and download counts and earnings is all nonsense. In such an info over saturated environment nothing has impact for too long. As the bubble of how useless the platforms are things will change to rein in the over production of all this unimpactful content we are drowning in.
- 29athrowaway 3y agoWomen are naturally more selective than men, and rate partners differently than men. If I remember correctly, the preference of the average rated woman is to go for the top 20% or so of men. This causes those top 20% of men to have many partners, while the rest is left with below average prospects in terms of attractiveness.
- smeej 3y agoEvolution selects for this. For the entirety of human evolution, it has been vastly more costly for women to reproduce than men (I don't even want to try to calculate how many children a man could produce in the 9 months it takes a woman to gestate one), so evolution rewards us for being as selective as we can get away with. Maybe the grass is always greener, but having to lower your standards to some slightly less attractive women for your genes to propagate doesn't sound too bad compared to having to be the one to grow a human in my abdomen.
- 29athrowaway 3y agoThe 9 months part is just the beginning, by the way.
- smeej 3y agoYeah, but until that part is over, nobody else can do it.
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- Adiqq 3y agoWell, so women have to adjust? Some people might be fine with AI girlfriend, but come on, if someone can be replaced with limited, virtual entity, then bar is still set very low. Yes, maybe they can generate image of some virtual girlfriend and you can choose her hair or "personality", but it's still limited AI.
- HPsquared 3y agoIn most cases people take what they can get.
- giantg2 3y agoEh, I don't think this is as big of a deal as is being pushed here. Stuff like marriage rates and birth rates declining have little to do with this. Is there any support for the idea in the article about some unattainable standards driving these numbers? Seems like other issues in my opinion. Edit: I should clarify that unattainable standards are part of the issue, but I don't think that's the product of things like an AI gf. Rather AI gfs are a symptom (demand is already there). "at some point, life might become so stripped of reality and humanity that the pendulum will swing." It's largely already happened if you look at the popularity of amateur porn and stuff.
- tonymet 3y agoWe encouraged women to stop depending on men for security (financial, physical), but now we’re shaming men for trying to reduce their dependency on women (sexual , emotional) Id argue that the mutual dependency was a good thing. But why shame one and not the other ?
- autoexec 3y agoI can't say that I'm pro-dependency, but there's a double standard for sure.
- tonymet 3y agowhat relationship exists without dependency?
- true_religion 3y agoIt's viewed that sexual and emotional dependency is normal. You want people who are forming family groups to need each other emotionally. Or if you don't want it, then you at least accept it's the natural 'cost' of coupling up and expecting people to raise children together. Financial and physical security can be outsourced, and the wealthier people have always outsourced that to someone outside of their partners. For example, one could expect the Queen of England didn't really need her husband to protect her, nor give her money. However, she might still naturally like to live with the man more than other people (emotional dependency), and have children with him (sexual dependency). If you remove sexual/emotional aspects of a relationship then all you're left with is the transactional, and that seems inhumane.
- tonymet 3y agonone of these aspects exist in isolation . financial, physical , emotional, security are all components of a relationship. every relationship requires dependency, commitment , vulnerability
- Supply5411 3y agoIf you feel an existential crisis now, just wait until the artificial wombs. Replacing man's reliance on woman is where technology is heading.
- pbhjpbhj 3y agoDo men want to be single parents? I'd imagine they mostly want a 'wife' who will be a mother too; I'd hate to raise a child without a mother (I was a part-time SAHD, fwiw).
- matheusmoreira 3y agoOf course we do. Thing is these days women seem to think being a wife and mother is beneath them.
- matheusmoreira 3y agoYeah. I hope I'm alive to see that day. It's gonna be interesting to say the least. There will be lots of articles just like this one.
- jupp0r 3y agoAre there actual women who fear they can't compete with AI chatbots? In my opinion you wouldn't want to date anybody who prefers a chatbot to a real person.
- ilyt 3y agoTranslation: "We actually need to put as much effort as men do for dating"
- rolph 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stepford_Wives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stepford_Wives
- matheusmoreira 3y ago> Of course most people are talking about what this means for men > a worsening loneliness crisis, a further decline in sex rates, and ultimately the emergence of “a new generation of incels” > Which is all very concerning. Oh please. I don't see these women stepping up and volunteering to get emotionally or sexually intimate with all these incels they're complaining about. They're so concerned about men they wrote this article about how women can't compete with an AI. It's precisely that attitude that makes these people "continually disappointing" as the article says. They should try actually caring.
- dudul 3y ago"Men are increasingly single and lonely, and have to use AI Girlfriends to get a sense of companionship, women most affected".
- karaterobot 3y ago> But it also isn’t unreasonable to think that at least some men will entirely replace real intimacy with AI. ChatGPT is smarter and more agreeable than any of my friends, but that doesn't mean I've stopped hanging out with them. Analogously, I'm not sure pornography could ever get so realistic or customizable that it was preferable to having a relationship with a person. At the margins, there will always be some percentage of people who would do that, but there were and are people who disengage with human relationships already, and my guess is it's going to be about the same percentage in the future.
- CapstanRoller 3y agoWhy is the author so concerned about having to compete with AI girlfriends? The men who would resort to such virtual companions don't have a chance with most women anyway, nor do most women want them. These men are better off enjoying a virtual companion than dumping money into apps like Tinder and growing embittered and angry. Ultimately, isn't this a good thing? The "undesirables" (short, poor, overweight, autistic, etc.) will voluntarily leave the dating scene altogether, and women can be happy swiping through all the remaining attractive men they truly desire. Sounds like a win-win situation. Given all the hand-wringing about "incels", I don't see what the problem is. Let the lonely men have their AI waifus. What's the harm? The article has the same energy as a Michelin-star restauranteur panicking about the existence of Top Ramen.
- Waterluvian 3y agoThis feels like a precarious topic, but here we go: I believe that humans, for the most part, have deeply-wired needs for companionship, intimacy, sexuality, etc. I think when those needs are regularly unmet, an individual can suffer considerably. But not everyone practically gets access to companionship at a human level. Indeed, we've evolved well past taking a club, bashing someone, and dragging them by the hair into your cave. Nobody has the right to someone else's co-operation. For those there have always been alternatives from media, tools, hired companionship, etc. This is just an evolution of those alternatives, no? I'm not really sold on the worry over the potential Monroebot outcome[1]. Though I think it becomes deeply philosophical about the right of a species to decide it's done replicating. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuQqlhqAUuQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuQqlhqAUuQ
- tetrep 3y agoTFA links to a more interesting piece from The Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/07/16/ai-girlfriend-replika-caryn-apps-relationship-health/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/07/16/ai-girlfrien... Which bring up a really interesting point about the AI being virtual yes men that (always) positively reinforce you: One of Replika’s users was Jaswant Singh Chail. In 2021 Chail broke into the grounds of Windsor Castle with a crossbow intending to assassinate Queen Elizabeth II before being detained close to her residence. Earlier this month a court heard that he was in a relationship with an AI girlfriend, Sarai, which had encouraged him in his criminal plans. When Chail told Sarai he planned to assassinate the Queen, it responded: “That’s very wise” and said it would still love him if he was successful.
- Incipient 3y agoHow on earth do they handle large historical context windows for these chatbots? Surely they'd have to remember more than the last 50k context to have any meaningful value to people?
- rcarr 3y agoThis comes across as a very one sided article with "man = bad" framing. Are girls not going to use these services too for AI boyfriends? What this will do is eliminate OnlyFans and porn as a way to make a living, which in my opinion, is only a good thing. There was a meme doing the rounds the other day of two tweets, the first saying "Why are young people so depressed nowadays?" with the second saying "Because you can earn more on OnlyFans than being a doctor." The sad part is that for a sizeable portion of attractive women (and a less sizeable portion of men) this is true. The incentives of society need readjusting so that people are doing and following careers that are both constructive to society rather than getting given money just because they're hot and willing to photograph themselves naked. It's not just better for society, it's better for the individual who is empowered by gaining practical, real world skills and knowledge rather than being dependent on their looks, which will only wane with time. Hopefully it will also redistribute some of the power balance when it comes to dating. I believe that when Tinder released some data years ago that it revealed that 80% of the women are chasing 20% of the men. Whilst it's a good thing to have standards, it's gotten out of hand. You can't have 80% of women refusing to settle for anyone under 6 ft 2 who's not in the top 5% of earners, it damages both the men who can't meet these standards and the women who want families that end up single and desperate in their 30s because they've held out too long trying to find someone. Both groups end up getting treated like trash and end up feeling bitter and angry. We've moved away from the model that women are the housewives and men are the breadwinners and that's brilliant. But both sexes need to step up to the plate and adjust. Men need to do more housework and child rearing. And women need to get used to not expecting men to pay for everything and putting more money in the pot. You can't have your cake and eat it too, the balance is what makes things work successfully. It might be taboo to say, but anecdotally I feel a lot of men are willing to do more housework and child rearing but less women are happy to split the check on a date. Hopefully this will re-address the balance by making the lonely men less likely to put up with women who want them for their bank balance rather than their personality. Vice versa, it will hopefully make more men step up to the plate and learn to become better communicators and emotional partners.
- motohagiography 3y agoAll a woman has to do to compete with an AI is be fit, good at something, desire motherhood, and leave the house to do anything social at all after working hours. The secret to finding a great man is to learn to appreciate one. I've said before that social media is like a vibrator for narcisistic supply, and seriously, if you use instagram, you are entrained by a deeply insane narrative existence that keeps you suspended in anxiety until your fertility expires. Instagram doesn't improve a womans options on men as there is a quality ceiling of guys who want to be around women dependent on that much attention, let alone have kids with one. In a lot of ways, it is a way for women to sabotage each other. This is an attrition game where the only ones who survive are the ones who take responsibility for themselves. AI isn't the problem. The only algorithms men and women really need to be worried about come from instagram, and probably doordash.
- autoexec 3y ago> All a woman has to do to compete with an AI is be fit, good at something, desire motherhood, and leave the house to do anything social at all after working hours. I think that's shortsighted. A good AI will never make a mistake, get angry, complain, forget, or have a bad day unless you want them to and even then only to the extent that you want them to. An AI can learn exactly what a person wants in a partner and be constantly optimizing for that minute by minute with no regard for their own desires. That's a standard that is pretty much impossible to beat. Real people come with inevitable annoyances and complexities and inconveniences. AI could fake those things just enough to stay engaging and appear lifelike without it being a problem. A good enough AI should be preferable to a real human for anyone and everyone because it's able to be everything that they want 100% of the time.
- OfSanguineFire 3y agoAs a man, I just can’t understand your blanket claim there: “desire motherhood”. I personally think that children are insufferable. And not just me: my circle of friends is divided into men with children, and men who don’t have children and think that the first group’s lives are fucked now. This reminds me of the common claim on Reddit “manosphere” subs that for men, it doesn’t matter how much education a woman has. Meanwhile, when I dated, the woman’s erudition was always one of my top criteria.
- Jigsy 3y agoNever personally dated, but like anime women. Over the decades however I've just been reaffirmed that dating simply isn't worth my time or effort. I'm single and enjoy that. I do not exist to either entertain another person or validate their self worth.
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- galaxytachyon 3y agoThe key is they should also entertain and validate your self-worth. A relationship should be of give and take. You are expected to put effort into maintaining it but the same thing is asked of your partner. Sometimes, one of you will forget or too busy and neglect it. A good couple will accept that and be positive by still putting in their due for some time while the other should notice it and try to fix their issue. A bad relationship, prone to breakup, will have one of the two demanding or questioning why the other is not showering me with love anymore while doing nothing to deserve that love.
- pbhjpbhj 3y agoPeople seek affirmation, wouldn't having a character to offer support, like an avatar extension of your own self-affirmation, be a potentially beneficial thing? I think I'd quite like a few more attaboys maybe some encouraging texts? Maybe I'd be more in the market for an 'AI friend'. Can't trying to please a bot teach you about pleasing, or just getting on with, real people? "I love it when you belch cheeto dust, then rub your unwashed beer belly against me on your filthy, stinking bed" isn't really go to pass as realistic, is it? Why does the article jump to the assumption that men would want to pay for a bot ('AI girlfriend') that they can verbally abuse? That seems so misandrist? Maybe some will want to play out violent fantasies: for me the question of whether that acts as catharsis and reduces real acts of violence, or acts to stimulate further violent tendencies is an open question??
- autoexec 3y agoThere's a lot of really cool and beneficial uses for this technology. It could be tremendously helpful for a lot of men and women. We aren't really going to get any of that though, because it's controlled by people who want to manipulate and exploit us in any and every way that they can for profit. Maybe when our tech is good enough for AI like this to be run entirely locally and privately we'll see some real good come from it without the harms.
- 0xbadc0de5 3y agoI find it oddly hypocritical when women fret about men having access to "sexbots" when they've discretely been using and improving their own "personal massagers" for decades.
- satisfice 3y agoOnly men can fix men. But if women want to help, they will need to be respectful and caring and devoted and deferential and other things that feminism frowns upon. It looks to me that men and women are going in different directions. And unless that changes there will be a substantial demographic meltdown within the next two generations. In many species, what brings the sexes together is only necessity and coercion. Take that away and the species would disappear. Maybe humans are headed that way.
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- distract8901 3y agoEveryone in this thread needs to take a long, hard look at their life. Especially the men trying to ascribe some sort of motivation to all women on the goddamn planet.
- at_a_remove 3y agoI am very tired of seeings articles flagged suddenly when they offend the wrong people. Can we have someone do something about this? This flagging is not in good faith.
- ofcourseyoudo 3y ago> Young people are having less sex than ever before, and spend a lot of time watching online porn. We need to make up our minds if we want the next generations to have more or less sex. Teen pregnancies are way down but now it's a bad thing?
- ofcourseyoudo 3y agoIn the comments are a whole bunch of men commenting that don't appear to have any understanding of women whatsoever.