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Snoop unto them as they snoop unto you
- freitzkriesler2 3y agoI always wanted something to watch where their unmarked cars are. Speed traps are the worst.
- gchamonlive 3y agoApart from the occasional overtaking which you might need the extra speed, the odds you get a ticket from a hidden camera are very low if you just respect the speed limits. Or am I missing some point?
- drewmol 3y agoI think you are (missing the point). Often speed traps are about enforcing typically unenforceable regulations in bulk to reduce the effort. Among other problems. Also this advice doesn’t help if you do want to drive past the limit.
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- jbaber 3y agoI used to think this before I moved to the Eastern seabord of the US. Many freeways have the speed limits randomly oscillate to values ranging from 50 to 75 with the flow of traffic pretending the speed limit is always 65. There are definitely speed traps set up in many unexpected 55 zones which I only know to slow down at from familiarity.
- chatmasta 3y agoBut this doesn't invalidate the OP's point... regardless of how reasonable you believe a change in speed limit to be, you're still obligated to follow it, and if you don't then you might get a ticket. And it's not like these changes are unannounced; there is a sign for every time it changes. Surely if you're going to listen to some "speed trap detecting" contraption, you could also look at the signs that announce the change in speed limit? Or better yet, whatever app you're using to detect speed cameras should give you an equivalent ping every time it detects a change in speed limit...
- etrautmann 3y agoThe argument is not that the law isn’t technically followable. The argument is that the law is not based on safety and is capricious and designed to catch and fine people, which could justify ways of avoiding getting caught.
- chatmasta 3y agoThe argument from OP was: > the odds you get a ticket from a hidden camera are very low if you just respect the speed limits And the comment I was responding to was about how speed limits are unreasonable. So I maintain that the comment did not refute OP's point. The reasonableness of the speed limits is irrelevant to whether or not you get fewer tickets when you drive below the posted speed limit.
- ang_cire 3y agoThis is the driving equivalent of "just follow instructions"; you're ignoring that they are intentionally making the speed limits difficult to respect in order so that they can ticket you. Telling people not to get tricked is just victim blaming.
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- beebeepka 3y agoWon't someone think of the overconfident and dangerous idiots who think they are race drivers
- etrautmann 3y agoDoes that characterize everyone transitioning rapidly from 65 to 35 back and forth?
- rdn 3y agoIn western Virginia they sit at the bottom of hills and give tickets to out of state plates that go over the limit by any amount.
- orangepurple 3y agoAnywhere in Virginia along the North Carolina border area is at extreme risk for out of state tags.
- hightrix 3y agoYes. Many speed limits are set lower than they need to be. On many roads, including freeways, the average speed of traffic is higher than the speed limit. Driving the speed limit on these freeways is dangerous. Additionally, many speedometers read slightly higher than the actual speed. Driving the exact speed limit on many roads as shown by your speedometer means you are actually driving quite slow. Repecting the speed limit as a strict rule is dangerous.
- throw10920 3y ago> Many speed limits are set lower than they need to be. ...the only correct response to which is to contact the state government and complain while continuing to respect the law. Breaking the law while remaining silent is diametrically opposed to the democratic system that the US, at least, aspires to. > need to be ...oh, and vehicle inefficiency increases superlinearly with speed[1]. Until the majority of the vehicles on the road are electric, lower speed limits help fight climate change. Speed limits don't "need to be" anything, and picking lower limits when there's a good reason is good. > On many roads, including freeways, the average speed of traffic is higher than the speed limit. Because drivers follow this flawed line of thought en masse - which doesn't excuse it. > Driving the speed limit on these freeways is dangerous. I guess we need more enforcement, then. Plus, I've never encountered a dangerous situation while driving in the right lane. I suspect that there's an implicit "...in the left lane" on your claim. > Driving the exact speed limit on many roads as shown by your speedometer means you are actually driving quite slow. Citation needed for the claim that you're "driving quite slow". I've never seen a speedometer that was off by more than 4 MPH (measured as the difference between that and GPS), and a difference of 4 MPH when you're going 55 is not "quite slow". > Repecting the speed limit as a strict rule is dangerous. It's called a "limit" for a reason, and the only reason it's non-trivially dangerous is because of other drivers significantly breaking the speed limit, too. This has inspired me to contact my local state's transportation department and request that they step up enforcement of speed limits. [1] https://www.mpgforspeed.com/ https://www.mpgforspeed.com/
- genman 3y agoActually not accepting the given speed limit is a form of voting against said speed limit (especially when done en masse). Yes, it is not formal, but it is voting nonetheless. If the system was really democratic and not tyrannical then it would take it into account and would not resort to more control and punishment.
- bigmattystyles 3y agoNo, I agree with you. Especially since aside from the driver's safety, a lot of times, speed limits aren't about the safety of those in the car but to reduce the amount of noise due to tires, engines, breaking, etc... for those living nearby as well as pedestrians, cyclists, buses, animals, etc...
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- landemva 3y agoI'm not familiar with noise as a speed consideration by my State DOT. Do you have a reference to the noise consideration for speed limits in the law/rule for your locale?
- stonogo 3y agohttps://www.dot.state.mn.us/environment/noise/pdf/metro-noise-study.pdf https://www.dot.state.mn.us/environment/noise/pdf/metro-nois... page 6: Minnesota classes some speed limit reductions as noise abatement. Washington refers to modifying speed limits with the goal of noise abatement: https://wsdot.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2021-10/ENV-ANE-NoisePolicy2020.pdf https://wsdot.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2021-10/ENV-ANE-Noi... page 20 Delaware includes modifying speed limits (classed as traffic management) for noise abatement: https://deldot.gov/Programs/highway_noise/index.shtml https://deldot.gov/Programs/highway_noise/index.shtml as a counterexample, https://wisconsindot.gov/dtsdManuals/traffic-ops/manuals-and-standards/teops/13-05.pdf https://wisconsindot.gov/dtsdManuals/traffic-ops/manuals-and... various pages: Wisconsin forbids using speed limit reductions as noise abatement.
- landemva 3y agoWow, noise measurements seem prone to manipulation. I am familiar with a State that measures actual travel speeds, throws out lows and highs, takes some %, and that is the speed limit ( <= max by law ).
- freitzkriesler2 3y agoHidden cameras are not what I'm worried about. It's unmarked cop cars while I'm over taking that bother me the most.
- dylan604 3y agoIn the southwest, we have what's referred to as one-light towns. Maybe this translates to other parts of the world as well, but essentially a town so small that they only need one stop light to regulate traffic. These are the definition of a sleepy town. As a specific example I'm well traveled is a stretch of state highway in Texas between Ft Worth and Amarillo called Hwy 287. As you get away from Ft Worth, and even west of Wichita Falls, the speeds are 75mph in places. This highway is dotted with these one-light towns. Just before each town, the speed limit slows to 35mph. It's easy to say it's just for revenue purposes, but as a sibling comment points out, the noise is the primary issue. Sure, safety for those that might dare to cross the street as a pedestrian is just a side benefit. However, the opportunity to pad the county coffers near these speed limit changes is too great to not be heavily speed trapped
- bee_rider 3y agoOr maybe they just love the BrRrRrRrrrrrrr of trucks braking.
- dylan604 3y agoWhich is why some of these towns have signs saying “No Engine Braking” because people in the cars/trucks pay no mind what so ever to the people living in the podunk town, or worse get off on the fact they are disturbing everyone
- pesfandiar 3y agoI'd argue speeding is even worse, but to each their own.
- genman 3y agoI would argue that general population disagrees with this. +/- 20% tolerance is completely acceptable.
- Arrath 3y agoMuch like Doctors having a rather different definition of 'binge drinking' or 'heavy drinking' than most of the public, general (dis)agreement may not mean terribly much in the end.
- genman 3y agoQuite the opposite. Doctors can think what ever they want until some kind of social behavior in generally accepted by the society. Any amount of alcohol is bad and likewise any travel is dangerous. It's only about acceptable degree.
- LeoPanthera 3y ago20% means you drive at 80 in a 65. That is in no way acceptable.
- CamperBob2 3y agoKeep right except to pass and you won't have a problem.
- amatecha 3y agoSeriously. Why can't people in NA follow this basic, simple protocol? It makes driving so much easier in every way. Need to slow down because your turn is coming? No problem, move over to the right. Want to actually get somewhere sometime today? Pass and then return to the lane you were in. It's so easy! Imagine actually having protocols around traffic flow, and following them! Just wait until you hear about roundabouts, which allow traffic to continue moving (rather than waiting at a red light for minutes on end when there's no one else there!)
- jstarfish 3y agoAfter all the $300 radar and laser detectors that don't work quick enough, Waze has been the most effective solution for this. Nothing beats crowdsourced callouts.
- trdtaylor1 3y agoI feel like there are far better ways to determine police locations just by finding their other, more powerful, radio frequency footprints.
- airza 3y agoI’m looking forward to your defcon talk next year then
- livueta 3y agoWhen I saw the headline I assumed it'd be about the P25 unencrypted metadata leakage issue (specifically Unit Link ID) described in https://www.mattblaze.org/papers/p25sec.pdf https://www.mattblaze.org/papers/p25sec.pdf - that indeed carries a lot further than BLE
- celegans25 3y agoThanks for the link, that was extremely interesting to read
- darkclouds 3y agoIn the UK we cant listen into radio communications, we can still identify it using the same techniques that is used to work out encrypted internet communication, namely the traffic patterns of the radio devices. In more than 100 countries, Tetra (Trans European Trunked Radio) is used. This was published a couple of months ago. https://www.tetraburst.com/ https://www.tetraburst.com/ https://github.com/MidnightBlueLabs/TETRA_burst https://github.com/MidnightBlueLabs/TETRA_burst http://rageuniversity.com/PRISONESCAPE/JAMMING%20RADIO%20GSM%20TETRA/TETRA%20VULNERABILITIES%20-%20UK.pdf http://rageuniversity.com/PRISONESCAPE/JAMMING%20RADIO%20GSM...
- d1str0 3y agoI saw this talk live but was disappointed the app is $10 to give it a shot. Seems a little steep.
- smeyer 3y agoYour comment is an interesting reflection to me of the expectations people have for cheap or free software. You were willing to invest your time and schedule into seeing this talk live, which for many people is a much larger investment than $10. My default assumption of folks on this board is that they're well-off tech workers, which would make it seem even starker in comparison to $10. My comment isn't anything about you personally, and I've had similar reactions to even cheaper software. But it still find it striking when I think about it more.
- ThunderSizzle 3y ago> My default assumption of folks on this board is that they're well-off tech workers My family is well above the median household income in my state and my county (maybe almost 2x the median), yet due to horrible timing awards, the median house payment would put as at 40% of gross pay, or 62% of take home pay. No one is well off right now.
- dylan604 3y agoI wonder if it is about the $ value at all on some of these threads. If it's not offered for free, and open, then you're just a capitalist pig trying to make money off of software. The gall and gumption people would have to try to earn money off their labor banging code. At least, read enough threads, and that's the sentiment the can come across.
- ben0x539 3y agoI like the feeling of hanging out with likeminded people or friends and showing each other the cool stuff we're working on. Asking for (or receiving!) even nominal amounts of money makes it a completely different kind of interaction and puts me in a completely different mindstate. In my experience, doing the math on monetary value of time spent on random activities or interactions just makes everybody sad and doesn't lead to better decisionmaking.
- 01100011 3y agotldr; cop equipment uses BLE and you can detect this at a distance. I always wondered if there was a particular RF signature to LE vehicles(say, the radiated IF from their radios). This seems more reliable and easier to setup.
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- modzu 3y ago24.125 ghz
- newsclues 3y agoClassic line from Hackers.
- elymar 3y agoThat movie changed my life trajectory 20 years ago.
- BLKNSLVR 3y agoI still have trouble reconciling how terrible it is with how great it is. I still watch it once every couple of years, still love / hate it.
- Cyphase 3y ago"A rabbit is in the administration system." "Send a flu shot." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmz67ErIRa4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmz67ErIRa4
- 8bitsrule 3y agoIt's hilarious fun, and will be 28 years old on Sep 15. For those who might have missed them, these may be entertaining, if not inspiring: www.ign.com/articles/best-hacker-movies
- Renaud 3y agoYou guys made me watch it tonight, for some reason I missed it when it came out and never watched it. No regrets! It was over-the-top, corny and very fun. Teenage-me would have been totally infatuated with the glamorous hacker lifestyle!
- herodoturtle 3y agoSo many good lines in that movie. And their delivery is perfect. “The little boat flipped over.” Gets me every time.
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- zbrozek 3y agoAm I doing something wrong? The downloaded video mp4 seems highly broken. I see two side-by-side copies of the content within the frame, with artifacts that make it impossible to read anything.
- swader999 3y agoNo, it's working exactly as it should.
- brobinson 3y agoIt's a 23 minute video that is 21mb. The video quality is (intentionally?) extremely low.
- zbrozek 3y agoIt's definitely a playback issue. VLC is rendering it incorrectly while Firefox is handling the same file just fine (albeit with the expected low quality for the file size).
- syntheticcorp 3y agoIt’s a vlc issue with h265 - I actually noticed this with videos from defcon last year. Pull the YouTube version or reencode to h264 to fix.
- rsanaie 3y agoAwesome. I would love to see more of actual hacker talks on hackernews!
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- willprice89 3y agoI feel it should have been "Snoop upon them as they snoop upon you"
- unsupp0rted 3y agoThis is a parallel of the common biblical translation "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" (Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12).
- px43 3y agoIt's a quote from the movie Hackers from 1995. The line is "Snoop on to them as they snoop on to us", which is actually the name of the article, and the talk, but for some reason the title on Hacker News got mangled. Not sure what's up with that.
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- bix6 3y agoNo way to make this work on iPhone right? Looks like nRF connect doesn't log and myTracks only covers the GPX piece. Super cool talk, thanks for sharing.
- amatecha 3y agoOoohh the software[0] runs on Ubuntu and optionally uses a GPS receiver... I happen to have a computer with such a receiver - a Panasonic ToughBook CF-31, which happens to have been formerly used by local LE (they all have them mounted in their cars). Would be pretty hilarious to use one of their old laptops to "snoop unto them as they snoop unto us", right? hahah ;) [0] https://github.com/datapartyjs/rfparty-monitor https://github.com/datapartyjs/rfparty-monitor
- xvilka 3y agoJavaScript... Unusual choice of language for the RF tool.
- amatecha 3y agoHow so? It's a really obvious approach these days. Doing it this way provides a web-accessible front-end and the actual hardware may be something compact like a tablet, phone, headless SBC, etc. (whatever can provide BT and promisc. wifi basically) The web offers a fairly universal cross-platform, network-accessible GUI that can be developed with really high-level languages which happen to offer tooling that includes an extremely-empowering degree of readily-available utility libraries. What other language or ecosystem is as easy and broadly-accessible?
- assimpleaspossi 3y agoIf only we could know what this was about without having to view the video.
- Izmaki 3y agoYou can glance through the slides in a minute.
- madhatter999 3y agoA minute? It’s eternity in my thumb managed universe.
- tompagenet2 3y agoI did this, and it's a good first call, but the slides look designed to be talked along with, so I am not really any wiser now
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- xkcd-sucks 3y agoI too hate videos and didn't watxh this one yet, but the slides seemed clear even without the talk: - Tazer/Axon makes some kind of police oriented hw/sw platform thats deployed on police bodies and cars - which uses BLE - Tazer/Axon has their own BLE MAC address prefix, which is published by the FCC - The less significant bytes of BLE MAC address are a unique id for the hardware, which usually maps 1:1 with 1 officer or 1 car - So by listening to or probing some BLE crap you can infer cops are present close to where that MAC address prefix is, and by recording over time and area figure out movement patterns even to the level of individual hardware. Maybe I'm missing something but it does seem like a nice hack if a little overmarkted: It is technically unremarkable but clever and practical.