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Public US hearing on UFOs [video]
- latchkey 3y agoI feel like everyone has forgotten about the ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
- mc32 3y agoWhat’s the sudden official interest in UFOs/UAPs all about? Is it about getting more funding? It can’t be they believe aliens are flying around acting like a laser pointer to a cat. Do they think adversaries have extraordinary technologies? I can’t figure it out.
- rybosworld 3y agoDavid Grusch is a whistleblower claiming that the U.S. military is in possession of recovered alien craft.
- pierat 3y agoAND said that there were biologicals on there that were not from the Earth. And also said there were individuals whom were injured in the reverse engineering of said non-human spacecraft. This is all TS/SCI, so the actual hard details and proof are locked in a fucking SCIF.
- tgv 3y agoIt's summertime. The 24 hour news cycle needs a boost. A bit of clickbait never hurt, has it?
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- st3ve445678 3y agoSo the people who put this UFO hearing together (mostly republicans) set this all up and timed it just to cover up Hunter saying hes guilty on tax charges? Riiight...
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- chomp 3y agoWhat are you talking about? Republicans control the House and set the scheduling, and this was scheduled weeks ago. Newsmax is showing only UFO hearings. Anyone who would have a political vendetta against the Bidens and could be talking about the Bidens, has decided that they should be talking about UFOs right now. Stop with the conspiracy theories, come on.
- throw_nbvc1234 3y agoWhy would a republican controlled house committee run cover for the Bidens?
- op00to 3y agoFacts are poisonous for people who follow the GOP.
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- Teever 3y agoMy take is that it's an attempt by the US three letter agencies to get people off of qanon and and onto a far less dangerous conspiracy.
- actionfromafar 3y agoI’m sure it can somehow be combined with pizza. Who invented pizza anyway?
- phtrivier 3y ago"You really believe pizza exists ? Wake up, sheeple !" ;) (Sorry, I could not resist.)
- rig666 3y agoThis is probably more real than an actual alien craft being kept a secret for decades. Ancient aliens plays on loop on history channel 24/7 on top of a plethora of alien moves being made every year. As well it's the one superstition that all people sort of believe as well. Far right (that isn't hard religious) is deep into these conspiracies. Far left that does shrooms all-day while fondling crystals and playing with tarro cards like Pokemon also like UFOs as well. Even general center left atheist and scientists at least likes the idea of life on a distant plant even if we aren't in possession of an alliance craft. In school and the work place talking about religion can cause problems with HR/administration or even a lawsuit but you can't get in trouble for talking about aliens. Even the popular avatar movies tries to mix aliens and religion into an easy native for people even if it's about a human invasion. So much so that people suffer "post avatar depression" https://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.b... Aliens in a since is the new "god of the gaps" to help people make since of things we don't fully understand.
- revscat 3y agoThere are legitimate reasons to believe that the United States Defense Department has in its possession one or more craft built by non-human intelligences, and has been covering this up for decades. This hearing is to allow witnesses to testify in an effort to move forward in our understanding of the truth to these claims.
- furyofantares 3y agoThere aren't.
- revscat 3y agoThere are serious people who think otherwise. You're two word dismissal is not a rebuttal.
- baseballdork 3y agoThere are serious people who believe lots of silly things. Your assertion that someone who you consider serious believes a thing is not a "legitimate reason" to believe the US DoD has alien tech.
- revscat 3y agoAnd we have mechanisms in place to filter those people out. They seem to be successfully passing those filters. This makes it more likely they are truthful. I will assume a reply of “that does not guarantee truth/the system is imperfect” has already been given. Of course it doesn’t, and of course it isn’t. There are few guarantees. Passing those filters makes it more likely to be true. More likely. Not certain. More.
- baseballdork 3y agoWhat mechanics and filters are you referring to? They don't seem to be at all effective.
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- wturner 3y agoCulturally, everything in the U.S revolves around financial opportunism. When people are poor trapped in gig economy with three jobs, it becomes difficult to rationalize a zillion dollar military….that’s what religion is for, and that’s all this horseshit is
- dgellow 3y agoBased on absolutely no evidence, my hunch would be a foreign country trying to create confusion or distrust? Not that difficult to get someone to push ridiculous stories about hidden secrets in the current political landscape.
- op00to 3y agoIt’s something to distract from something else.
- edgyquant 3y agoYes. Everything that ever happens is a distraction from something else.
- IAmGraydon 3y agoI think this is highly likely, as was the "balloon" fiasco.
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- maxbond 3y agoWith a 24 hour news cycle, and the willingness to switch to another story in order to keep your pattern going, I'm sure you can do this with anything.
- hammock 3y agoProbably true. It could also just as easily be the other way around (trying to cover up UFO news..unsuccessfully)
- maxbond 3y agoI have to imagine someone who is following this as closely as you seem to be would know that most "UFO news" originates from public statements from people at the Pentagon, and that government are promoting it, not burying it.
- maxbond 3y ago[ES: Rumor] As far as I know, it's to destigmatize the idea of UFO/UAP sightings, and encourage both civilian and military pilots to report them. So that they can investigated - to identify aerial surveillance platforms, like the infamous Chinese spy balloon, and experimental aircraft.
- Gene_Parmesan 3y agoI don't know if this is the same wave, but a few years ago they declassified footage from military planes actively tracking UFOs. In the wake of that there was a bit of a flurry of naval and air force personnel saying they've "seen things." The UFO community - of which I am not a part - seems to have been veritably foaming at the mouth ever since. Personally I'm always more interested in the conspiracy behind the conspiracy. It is undeniably more likely that the Pentagon has, for some reason, started quietly pushing out things in this vein than it is that actual aliens are flying around. I'm very curious as to what their motivation might be. There's a lot of evidence, for instance, that during the heyday of Area 51 they knew they had to get out in front of civilian sightings of odd aircraft, and that project bluebook was essentially them just cross referencing sightings with classified test flights. So I'm curious about what they might be trying to get ahead of here.
- mc32 3y agoAgreed. UFO sighting have an analogue on the religious world where devotees witness miracles and in many cases sincerely believe them and official bodies recognize these miracles. But also in many cases these miracles are concocted by someone with a particular agenda (often commercial). This UFO/UAP stuff reminds me of that.
- throwaway743 3y agoIt hasn't been sudden.
- revscat 3y agoThe typical response to this subject from most of HN is to discount the possibility of legitimate UAP activity is: 1. Cynicism: "they're doing it for personal gain, it's all a lie." 2. Ridicule: "this is stupid, shut up." 3. Others I'm sure I'm missing. Regardless, almost no one here is willing to treat this subject with good faith, only to discourage curiosity and encourage dismissive ridicule.
- baseballdork 3y agoI think it's okay to be cynical about this and extremely skeptical. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and all we're presented with is "yeah, I think so" and "I can't talk about this in an open session". How would you suggest one approach this kind of hearing to be considered doing so in good faith?
- revscat 3y agoStop assuming everyone who is speaking into a microphone is lying in one form or another, or too stupid to be trustworthy. Thousands and thousands of people have experienced extraordinary things over decades and multiple continents. All people here are willing to consider is that there is financial gain to be had, etc. Not that they are actually being truthful, and seeking nothing more than understanding. Plus come ON. There's a chance that we possess something that can negate the Higgs field. That's huge beyond words.
- hakunin 3y agoAre you asking for good faith, or just faith? A million debunkable/explainable-with-something-else cases is equivalent to zero cases. I mostly see people ask for one, single, hard piece of evidence. In all of the millions. Something that can't be explained much more plausibly.
- tjoff 3y ago> Thousands and thousands of people have experienced extraordinary things over decades and multiple continents. And there are very reasonable reasons for why they think they experienced that. Just go back a hundred years and read what many people believed in back then. Most of which are trivially false (from our perspective). Heck, religion is still a thing today. More religions than can fit together so if nothing else we know most of them are wrong.
- phtrivier 3y agoThe most likely outcome is that we won't know much more after the hearing than before (in particular, I do not expect the star witness to come up with any kind of irrefutable evidence.) I suspect the "U" in "UFO" in still going to strongly mean "Unknown" at the end of the hearing. The best case scenario is that he hints at which governement agency's official should be ask to testify next - a game that can be played until we reach the "it's classified, wait a few decade" part of the game. [Edit]: Apparently, (from the live feed of the hearing by the Guardian) he "knows “the exact locations” of where the extra terrestrial material is, "Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses". And yet, I'm ready to bet the obvious follow-up questions "ok, then, where are the locations ?", and "who are those 40 witnesses ?" will remain conveniently unanswered.
- RajT88 3y agoThat was clear to me days ago. But - what I heard during this hearing was a commitment to set up a reporting system - outside Pentagon influence - to start aggregating these reports and analyzing them. That's progress I guess.
- revscat 3y agoIt is. It's also progress that this subject is being treated with the seriousness it so richly deserves. There is one witness who is claiming under oath, and many others privately to Congressmembers, that we are in possession of craft not built by humans. To my knowledge this directly contradicts to what AARO is publicly claiming.
- sangnoir 3y ago> It's also progress that this subject is being treated with the seriousness it so richly deserves. The X-Files and Ancient Aliens have a lot to answer for. > ...we are in possession of craft not built by humans. Aren't KUKA robots awesome?! More seriously - are the aliens only visiting US territories, or is the "cover-up" a global effort that includes coordination between rival nations.
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- ofou 3y agoIf the government is really covering some UFO beings or material I really hope AGI save us.
- oceanplexian 3y agoI have a pet conspiracy theory that some of this nascent AI tech isn’t actually from here. Like sure, there are researchers who came up with transformers, deep learning, and so on, but who’s to say they didn’t get a little help.
- kelseyfrog 3y agoIf you don't have an extraterrestrial on your AI research team, you will fall behind. I've seen way too many organizations make this mistake.
- mindcrime 3y agoJOB OPENING. Fogbeam Labs - Chapel Hill NC. Alien AGI Researcher needed. Must have experience with interfacing quantum neural temporal fields with hydro-coptic marzelvane environments. 9,743,212 years of experience minimum. May work remote IF located beyond the Oort Cloud. Compensation: depends on experience. Bonus paid in genuine Earth cattle.
- nickalaso 3y agoI have seen this tweet so many times on my timeline, you made me laugh, thanks.
- thatgerhard 3y agoShow me a UFO and an alien and I'll believe it. I've had enough of the podcasts, news articles and "court tv" to know the same amount (very little, nothing concrete) as I did before all of this started.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoHear hear. It's always more smoke and mirrors, claims from individuals, inconclusive, grainy images, yadda yadda. Show me some real evidence.
- samstave 3y agoI've personally seen (with a group of about ~20 others) a TR-3B in 1988 at Truckee Airport in Lake Tahoe Ca. It rose on the horizon over the mountains, way off in the distance. Then within about 2 seconds it was hovering directly above us about 100 feet up. It was huge, silent. I was marching in my Civil Air Patrol group. Our commander was a former SR-71 mechanic when it was still a top secret program. He was doing the marchine exercise and when we saw the craft we all watched it - then when it basically teleported directly above us - he very quickly ushered us back into our group hangar. I've seen others - but this was the closest I have been to one. It has shaped my reality ever since (I was 14 when it happened, and I am 48 now)
- monkeynotes 3y agoHow did you know it was a TR-3B??
- samstave 3y agoBased on all the descriptions. The TR3B wasnt a known class of things back then - but the "triangle with lights at each point" was a typical design trope talked about. This thing was huge, a triangle, was literally hovering above us. and I could see the details on the bottom. It wasnt until years later that tr3b came out as the name for the thing.
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- whalesalad 3y agoI can't stop watching. Such an exciting hearing.
- IAmGraydon 3y ago>I can't stop watching. I think that's the intended result. This is a distraction.
- throwaway743 3y agoDistraction from what exactly?
- whalesalad 3y agoEverything is a psyop, huh?
- lordnacho 3y agoWhy would it be a state secret if the US (or any other) government had encountered aliens? It doesn't seem like something that would need to be kept secret.
- allenrb 3y agoNext, we would like to welcome the witness from planet Zorg in the Snoom system. We hope the air here is to the witness’s liking.
- fasteddie31003 3y agoI've been thinking of why the government does not want the public to know about UFOs. My current thought is if the government admitted there was something more powerful than then itself the government's power be questioned and therefore diminished.
- RajT88 3y agoHe phrased it differently, but I believe it was Grusch presented that as a rationale.
- pengaru 3y agoHave you ever heard of Galileo or the Roman Inquisition leading to his indefinite house arrest for "heresy", because of how his scientific astronomical discoveries threatened the catholic church's authority? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair
- samstave 3y agoWhile I am happy this is happening, its bothersome that he wont reveal the publicly traded enterprises involved in this. We know that its all the typical MIC players, but one thing I cant stand with such hearings is how much smarmy "thank yous" are given in all these - its a passive aggressive fake attitude (virtue signaling).
- ck2 3y agoAdding to the ever growing list of proof why humans just shouldn't survive. Won't do anything about endless toxins being put into water and air by industry, climate change passing the turning point, will spend millions for hearings on UFOs which wouldn't make an ounce of difference even if real (they aren't, FTL aliens don't give a damn about earth, we're ants and at best they'd send automated drones) I do admit I would love to see religion destroy itself trying to explain aliens but I'm sure they have a "creations going on elsewhere" in their backpocket just in case. Or they'd just deny it like flatearthers as long as they can get away with it.
- bastardoperator 3y agoConsidering we all have recording devices now, the most interesting take from my limited perspective is that we have less ghost and ufo sightings than we've ever had.
- teddyh 3y ago<https://xkcd.com/1235/ https://xkcd.com/1235/>
- gruez 3y agoAlso, https://xkcd.com/2572/ https://xkcd.com/2572/
- klabb3 3y agoCertainly proves that close encounters were largely bs. But devils advocate, most smartphone cameras have ultra wide lenses and even those with decent zoom perform really poorly, due to shaking, upscaling and awful autofocus. Remember the “super zoom” smartphone that was marketed to take good photos of the moon, but they just faked (overlaid) the details because the native quality was so crap? And the moon isn’t even that small for the human eye. In fact, there are tons of shitty “ufo” recordings that are useless simply because the quality is so shit. In either case, there is tons of multi-modal sensor data from the Air Force/navy sightings so that’s certainly worth looking into before random people’s smartphones.
- bastardoperator 3y agoAnd people are already debunking the USAF/USN data: https://www.metabunk.org/gimbal/ https://www.metabunk.org/gimbal/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs
- yesco 3y agoIs it even possible to take decent photos of a potential UFO without a special camera? Whenever I point my phone at the sky the quality is terrible.
- 1970-01-01 3y agoOK, they are 100% safe and clear to testify. Where's the UFO? Show us. Get a camera on a bus or plane or something and walk us over. This is it, last chance. UFO or shut up.
- motohagiography 3y agoI absolutely love that Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp are sitting behind them hearing this. They did a lot of the heavy lifting on the issue to get this hearing public, and this is really a triumph for them.
- sidcool 3y agoSo far David seems to be dancing around his claims.
- yeck 3y agoHearing just concluded. If you listened to it, what are your thoughts?
- danjoredd 3y agoIt was a whole lot of nothing. Pretty much nothing we didn't already know got announced. Its not like I was expecting them to reveal aliens, but the whole thing was just a long winded way of saying "we don't know yet lol"
- yeck 3y agoI hadn't been following it all that closely, so the repeat sightings of black squares in a transparent sphere was news to me. The more interesting one is seeing the signs that there is growing momentum in the government to gain more clearance and potentially make more classified information public. So perhaps this is the amuse-bouche?
- King-Aaron 3y agoExcept now they have it on legal public record in front of congressmen a testimony that states - aliens exist - they have recovered technology - they have recovered bodies - there's a shadow government of people approving access to information on a higher level than the government - money is being directly taken out of other projects and/or services to fund UAP projects - there is an active disinformation program in the government directly regarding UAPs - people have been criminally abused by government contractors over this - there's massive mismanagement with government military contractors Etc etc. If you're a UFO nerd you've heard it all before, but this is pretty big stuff to have on record, and that's the main thing. A lot of that needs to be followed up legally, and it sounds like a lot more is going to be discussed behind closed doors.
- empath-nirvana 3y agoSomeone saying something on the record doesn't make it true.
- I_am_tiberius 3y agoI believe it's more like this proportion. * / \ / \ / \ / 1% \ /_________\ / \ / 19% \ / \ /_________________\ / \ / 80% \ / \ \_______________________/ - 1% really saw something interesting/rare. - 19% think they saw something interesting that is easily explained. - 80% liars.
- klabb3 3y agoIt’s even worse. 86% of statistics on the internet is made up on the spot.
- maxbond 3y agoTangentially, I've seen some weird stuff in the sky. I have a blog post on the back burner about how the habit of looking up into the sky has been rewarding to me, and the cool stuff I've seen. Sometimes satellites have very strange motion relative to your position, similar to planets going retrograde. They can make "J" shapes that look very odd. The first time I noticed this, my friend and I followed it all the way to the penumbra and umbra of the Earth's shadow - it suddenly dimmed as it entered the penumbra, and then completely disappeared as it passed into the umbra. A sure sign of a satellite in orbit. If you want to spot satellites, the best way I've found is to pick three random stars and imagine them as a triangle. Watch to see if the triangle changes shape - that means one of them is moving. It's very easy to get confused if you're looking at just one star, eg, sometimes the clouds are moving but you mistake the clouds as stationary and see the star as moving. But if you pick 3, even if you have that illusion, you'll see that they don't move relative to each other. On two occasions - once in Berkeley, CA and once in Athens, Greece - I saw a red light moving through the sky, and I followed it as far as I could but I didn't see it enter the penumbra (which isn't to say it did or didn't, just that I lost sight of it). I just have no idea what that was, or if it was the same on both occasions. One time my friends and I saw a flashing white light in the sky. It would rapidly increase from 0 to full brightness, and then just as quickly disappear. It stayed in roughly the same place. My friend had a good hypothesis, which was that it was a helicopter with some kind of rotating light. I think my favorite is that once, I saw an airplane contrail collapse into a series of smoke rings. Contrails often form these clumps of cloud, sort of like rain drops. These ones must have been very circular, because each one became a giant ring. You can see the clumps I'm talking about here: https://images.all-free-download.com/images/graphiclarge/contrail_sky_clouds_227799.jpg https://images.all-free-download.com/images/graphiclarge/con... There's pictures of rings on image search, but it looks like they came from the plane's engine, not from the mechanism I describe.
- maxbond 3y agoI'd like to add that it's really easy to find satellites, so I encourage people to try it. I can usually spot one in about half an hour (though my viewing conditions are about as good as they can be in a city, YMMV). Shortly after sundown or before sunrise is the easiest time, but I've found them at other times of night too. If I find myself outside at night, I try to spend at least a couple minutes looking for them (or whatever else there is to see, shooting stars, interesting clouds, Zodiacal lights, ...). You'd be surprised how much you can see if you spend a couple minutes regularly over a long period of time, especially relative to the minimal effort involved. (That being the thesis of the blog post.)
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- empath-nirvana 3y agoI feel like the UFO thing is fairly bipartisan, and also I don't think a particularly good distraction for anything, because nobody is paying much attention to it. Maybe it's a fun distraction for the congresspeople. I know if I was in congress, this would be the highlight of my week and I don't believe any of it.
- COGlory 3y agoYou may be right that it's a distraction, but man you are shoehorning this into your preconceptions. UFOs are a generally interesting topic, long before any of: >If you had to take a guess why theyre pitching wild this year between the hunter biden witch hunt and aliens, chances are good its because their scorched earth policies on sex, gender, and womens health are widely viewed as incredibly unpopular and a single legislator in their party --Tommy Tuberville-- has been outed as stonewalling more than 230 military promotions in order to push, surprise, more LGBTQ+ culture war.
- beebmam 3y agoUnfortunately, there was no revealing testimony or subpoenas. If they're serious about getting to the truth about UFOs, let's see them bring in the leads of the Pentagon and force them to testify. But they aren't serious. It's a joke of a hearing.
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- king_magic 3y agoextraordinary claims… far, far more likely UFOs/UAPs are an elaborate psyop than an advanced civilization that has figured out how to make it here but not figured out how not to crash.
- nickalaso 3y agoSublight speed Von Neuman probes (self replicating) are the kind of tech we are likely going to be able to produce ourselves sometime in the future. Which is tech that would allow complete saturation/exploration of the entire galaxy on the order of millions of years. As essentially by the time one probe is able to reach one side of the galaxy from the host system the entire galaxy will have already been filled with probe copies. It wouldn't be particularly difficult for a more advanced civ with potentially millions or billions of years evolutionary lead time on ourselves to have explored the galaxy and by extension have probes in our solar system. These claims in the hearing are definitely extraordinary, but the tech required to "make it here" doesn't particularly need to be.
- alchemist1e9 3y agoI’ll add that a sophisticated enough versions of such probes could also “3d” print new biological entities for example. As an analogy using our own known technology and scientific understanding. We probably could already construct a probe that eventually could reach the Centauri star system near us. And we could have this probe designed in a way that it contains a 3d printer and once it locates the raw material needed for this 3d printer, then it can print a new copy of itself. Now extend this slightly in that the probe has a 2 way link, perhaps very slow, light years obviously in distance, but can eventually send and receive information from earth. Then based on the sensor data collected in Centauri, we can certainly imagine that we can send updated schematics for new designs to print. Yes this all took 100s of years. But a future technological civilization modeled on us, is likely headed that way. Lastly, perhaps biology once better mastered, can be manipulated a bit like 3d printing. This could potentially explain reports of humanoid entities. The advanced probes are printing what they observe. Obviously all this is hypothetical speculation but the point is even biological evidence doesn’t necessarily mean actual original beings that traveled many light years here.
- srge 3y agoThere are so many serious people saying basically the same things for years - at a great cost for their careers, that it would be really surprising that there’s really nothing. If it all exists, I am pretty sure all this technology has considerable value for the military and as such, there will be immense resistance to acknowledge anything.
- empath-nirvana 3y ago> that there’s really nothing. There's a lot of "somethings" that could be the case without it having anything to do with actual aliens existing. The two broad categories would be that it's an intentional cover story for something meant to be secret, either legitimate research or some kind of corruption -- or it's sincere crackpot research in the government, of which there are plenty of examples, from paranormal research to ordinary pseudoscience.
- 6D794163636F756 3y agoI was at the national airforce museum in Ohio. They have a flying saucer on display there. Not because it's alien, but because they were trying to get flying saucer technology working. Every era of UFO theories had tech with similar silhouettes declassified a few decades later. I truly believe that all UFO sightings have been terrestrial technology tests or atmospheric events. If a flying saucer had been found that was capable of interstellar travel we wouldn't have dinky two person ones sitting in a museum. They'd be the basis of mining tech that would empower the finding nation.
- appplication 3y ago> I truly believe that all UFO sightings have been terrestrial technology tests or atmospheric events. This is basically the only available truth (if you add in people hallucinating/misremembering/etc). The problem is you can never “prove” this to someone who wants to believe otherwise. Let’s say the government legitimately did lay bare all of its UFO related classified documents and it explained some portion of events with known military secrets. There would still be a huge contingent claiming they were holding back something. And you could never prove them wrong. There is always a deeper secret to a conspiracy theorist. Ask yourself: why and how does only an extremely limited number of people in the US government consistently have access to what feels like a steady stream of alien crafts going back to the 1930s? Why has no one else recovered these? Why doesn’t congress know? Why didn’t Trump know (picking on him because we all know he’s not great with keeping secrets)? Why would aliens go out of their way to stay hidden? Why would they travel hundreds of light years (or more) to earth, only to immediately, and consistently, crash at a speed that leaves largely recoverable parts? I recommend researching what the aftermath of plane intercepting the ground at a comparably paltry 500mph looks like for reference. Compare this to the alternative explanations, all of which are completely plausible. Nothing about it being aliens makes any goddamn sense. The only thing that makes sense is it’s bipartisan, because no politician in their right mind would be against this, if only because that would make you look suspicious/untrustworthy.
- chiefalchemist 3y agoAnother day, another distraction. This is the same "club" that consistently failed so badly that an "outsider" (with a then Twitter problem) was a viable alternative. Yes, I'm curious about the UFO "problem", but it doesn't crack the Top 100, or even Top 1000 of things Congress should be focused on.
- happytiger 3y agoUntil we hear someone with real power in political leadership threaten to cut funding to dark programs if the truth isn't revealed in full, I personally don't think any of this is worth paying attention to. It's increasingly clear that "disclosure" is either yet another sensationalist ruse to keep the public distracted from substantive issues that could interrupt the flow of power and money, so deeply disruptive to the global order or cultural id that the military-industrial complex won't allow it to be disclosed, actually do have supra-governmental one-world government roots that put it outside of the reach of any political inquiry beyond funding, or hide critical advanced weapons platforms and would disrupt seemingly colossal efforts of cloak and dagger efforts and potentially destroy critical advantage. I for one do hope we have communication lasers, anti-gravity ships, and that Jesus himself is piloting a mothership back to save the planet and raise the frequency because... goddamn it... space lasers. But until the main funding comes under threat, I don't think anything with meaningful utility will be released. I have enjoyed the hell out of the crazy shit popping up on Youtube however. Good Lord, that navy seal podcast about the ship in the jungle that came out last week was a great story.
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- King-Aaron 3y agoI found it interesting that Matt Gaetz also presented his own testimony in his questioning. That's a voice with a lot of weight behind it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFk1Fv11xKw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFk1Fv11xKw
- pjc50 3y agoThis guy? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/us/politics/matt-gaetz-sex-trafficking-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/us/politics/matt-gaetz-se... That lends a lot of weight to the "not credible" side of the argument.
- King-Aaron 3y agohaha oh snap! Ah well not being American I don't really follow the US news cycle. That isn't a good look for sure though.