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Plane – Open-source Jira alternative
- stockhorn 3y agoNot to confuse with https://plane.dev https://plane.dev a container orchestrator for ambitious browser-based applications.
- delphi4711 3y agoWhy .so? I understand payara.fish, because payara is based on glassfish. What is the story here? I'm just curious (and bored) :).
- stavros 3y agoI'm guessing it's a combination of 1) it was available, and 2) why not?
- gadflyinyoureye 3y agoMaybe because so is the 5th of a scale, and this has 5/8ths of the features of Jira?
- riffraff 3y agoFor potentially confused people out there: some countries/musical traditions use a do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti(si) scale, rather than do-re-mi-fa-sol-la-si or a-b-c-d-e-f-g. This has the interesting side effect that the word solfege (sol-fa) makes little sense. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solf%C3%A8ge#Note_names https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solf%C3%A8ge#Note_names
- quickthrower2 3y agonot a bad find of an extension for a common english word. More common than notion!
- rapnie 3y agoI find the name 'plane' itself curious. As an upcoming product you make yourself quite hard to find in search engines (though "plane issue tracker" gives plane.so as first result in DDG).
- notfried 3y ago= "source open"? :-)
- jitl 3y agoI think Notion (my employer) https://notion.so/product https://notion.so/product made it popular. However .so gave us a lot of trouble over the years, so I wouldn’t recommend.
- thejammahimself 3y agoOut of interest: what sort of troubles has it given? (if you're able to say)
- jitl 3y ago- Corporate firewalls don’t like people visiting .so Somalia URLs. Wouldn’t have this problem with .com. We had to fight hard for domain reputation. - Back in the day communication between us, our registrar, a middleman registrar in Germany, and SomaliNIC wasn’t too good. We weren’t notified of a takedown report and got DNS blocked by a bunch of ISPs offline for 8 hours. Even figuring out what happened on that one was baffling.
- RockRobotRock 3y agoMy domain uses an Afghanistan (.af) domain. They actually froze new registrations after the Kabul takeover.
- senkora 3y agoIf wonder if it has something to do with shared libraries
- KnobbleMcKnees 3y agoShort for software
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- iFire 3y agoLicense AGPL3 https://github.com/makeplane/plane/blob/develop/LICENSE.txt https://github.com/makeplane/plane/blob/develop/LICENSE.txt
- kissgyorgy 3y agoAs a user, that's the best for a software like this, because it means it cannot be ever closed source!
- dspillett 3y ago> cannot be ever closed source Cannot be closed source unless the maintainer dual licenses and stops making OS (assuming a single maintainer or group that all agree, or that other contributors have signed a relevant copyright waiver). (though what has already been released can't be retracted)
- stavros 3y ago> (though what has already been released can't be retracted) This is the only relevant bit. A license can't force people to do work for free in the future.
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- remram 3y agoNot the maintainer, all the copyright holders. If you accept contributions without a CLA, that closes that avenue. I couldn't find any outside contribution in the repo yet, we'll see how they go.
- dspillett 3y agoHence all my bits in brackets…
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- Mountain_Skies 3y agoAnyone tested it for speed? That it can be self hosted should on its own gain it some extra acceptance.
- tacone 3y agoIt's built on top of Next.js, it feels pretty fast compared to other solutions.
- tmikaeld 3y agoLooks great, too bad there's no Gitlab importer or integration yet.
- evrflx 3y agoLooks very promising I will give it a try. Related: I would love to see an open source confluence alternative as well, as for issues there are many (more or less capable) options to choose from.
- SifJar 3y agoHaven't used it extensively, but there is XWiki: https://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome https://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
- macintux 3y agoWhat I most want from a Confluence alternative, and I have a few poor ideas how this can be solved, is a way to manage stale content. The Confluence spaces I work with are dumping grounds of old, often misleading, information. Deduplication guidance, reports on untouched content…I don’t know how to fix this, but someone surely can solve it.
- chkal 3y agoHave a look at https://www.getoutline.com/ https://www.getoutline.com/ I'm really impressed by the product. Seems to be a good Confluence alternative.
- greatgib 3y agoMy opinion based on feature and screenshots is that the UX is as shitty as Jira. The nightmare with Jira is this product manager obsession with kaban boards that become overwhelmed once your project become serious.
- lozenge 3y agoJust because your project is serious doesn't mean you should be looking at 300 things at once. Hence a kanban board.
- ResearchCode 3y agoOr as they call it outside of the agile industrial complex, a to-do list. Nobody is stopping you from keeping one.
- arketyp 3y agoThis totally expected level of unconstructive critique makes this comment a miniature art piece.
- gjvc 3y agoSnark all you want, but that's this person's experience and it's worth considering why that is the case. I'd wager they've been a victim of productivity theatre, with management saying "we need to be agile! make it so everyone -- your job depends on it!". Then, they may even hire an experienced agile manager but (for whatever reason) give them no chance to spend time and effort properly training everyone involved in how to work differently and to use the tools effectively, and how to communicate the "burn-down rate" to the users every time-period so that their expectations may be set correctly. Combine this with the attitude of many "I'll raise it as a ticket, then I'll have something official with which to chase the developers", and it's perhaps easier to see how things can become chaotic. Perhaps you've been fortunate enough to be employed where these things are managed better than my hypothetical scenario above, but my experience that is the exception, not the rule, so it's not surprising that people can become fatigued.
- bartels_media 3y agoCan anyone read that? https://app.screencast.com/jzzS96PuNylg6 https://app.screencast.com/jzzS96PuNylg6
- tacone 3y agoThank you for posting this. Looks pretty basic but somehow complete. The first impression is good. Here's some criticism: The first thing I look for in a issue tracker is the screen estate to write the task. I understand that some people write a list of issues in the form of short blurbs and iterate on them afterwards, but it always feels frustrating to me to having to write the title in a modal window, save and then open the issue again to be able to see a larger textarea for the description. I also see it as discouraging for people to write better descriptions for the issues they open. The keyboard navigation is probably not complete (press P to create a project, you would still need the mouse to focus the textbox and to save the project) On my computer it started in Dark Mode, and the experience overall was quite a bit disorientating. Also no light/mode switch icon in the header. It is not clear to the user that you can/should use markdown.
- lelanthran 3y ago> On my computer it started in Dark Mode, and the experience overall was quite a bit disorientating. Also no light/mode switch icon in the header. I don't really know that you need a light/dark mode switch. It should follow your preferences. I see dark mode websites all the time, because my desktop is set to dark mode. On my Windows machine I see the same websites with the light-mode, because I did not bother to figure out how to set Windows to dark-mode. [EDIT: The Plane App ignores my preferences].
- wink 3y agoYes of course you need one, the detection is what I can call flaky at best (talking about the websites I visit, not that the tech doesn't exist) and also I know many people who only run a good chunk of websites on their actual preference, and others on the other version, I'm one of them, I only use dark mode in about 1/3 of websites where I know about the two modes.
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- alexnewman 3y agoGitHub projects are wild good now
- hiatus 3y agoBut then your PMs and all stakeholders need to have github accounts.
- thrown1212 3y agoThis is the entire point
- alexnewman 3y agoI think they could share a company account but it would be better if they had own. What’s a good alternative? Anons making issues and patches?
- madeofpalk 3y agoThe team at GH really have been knocking it out of the park with Issues and Projects, especially the new Task Lists.
- slifin 3y agoDoes this one allow you to assign more than one person to a ticket?
- quickthrower2 3y agoThat is a bugbear for me in Jira. Who solos on all tasks? Subtasks kinda helps in Jira
- asyx 3y agoWe just use custom fields. So we have a backend, frontend and QA field. Assigned is always the one who needs to do something.
- ptman 3y agoShared responsibility is no responsibility.
- noirbot 3y agoSure, but you can have plenty of options where there's one responsible person, but you may still want to track another person who's involved. Maybe another engineer who's paired on the project, or the PM who's taking point on it, or the QA who's testing it, or the other engineer who's reviewing it. Having to rely on comments or assignment history to uncover that information is a bad experience.
- MatekCopatek 3y agoIs it me or does that look extremely similar to Linear, another competitor in that space? Not in the sense of the feature set, there's only so many things you can do with an issue tracker and a kanban board, but in the sense of actual visual design (fonts, text sizes, etc.)
- hotpotamus 3y agoI don't know a thing about either, but the names plane and linear would seem to indicate that one is at least the spiritual successor to the other.
- phosfox 3y agoTabnavigation is completely broken on the landing page.
- gadflyinyoureye 3y agoI couldn't easily fine an answer. Would self-host run on PI and still be useful?
- dubcanada 3y agoWhy do people call things Jira alternatives that contain about 1/500th of the features? It's just a simple project management tool with a kanban board...
- windmark 3y agoBecause that’s that most people see Jira as. It’s easy to only use Jiras surface level features, like a Trello with a little more functionality, and not the more advanced ones.
- davnicwil 3y agoyeah, marketing is all about using the simplest language to communicate truth relevant to the group you want to reach, not about communicating absolute truth to all comers.
- gonzo41 3y agoBecause jira's advanced features kinda suck. They have a market lock because they have been able to own the space with first mover advantage and buy their competitors.
- zelphirkalt 3y agoUsually not much more than the basic features are needed. The rest is mostly management feel good goodies.
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- movedx 3y agoI've wondering if something like a Discourse instance could be used to replace Teams, Jira, and email.
- jillesvangurp 3y ago> Simplify your transition to Waterfall, Agile, and other workflows to keep up team's momentum with Cycles and Modules. LOL, at least they are honest about companies doing waterfall style planning being their target audience.
- pydry 3y agoThe closer you are to agile the more basic your ticketing system needs and vice versa. You could probably do without one at all even.
- hnarn 3y agoI used to work at a company where incoming support tickets were just another jira project (FOO-123), it worked great because you could then relate the tickets to actual work items (BAR-123) and while the support tickets weren't public for obvious reasons, the work items were, so customers could easily follow the progress of the work item without having to re-contact support. My impression was that this level of transparency was extremely appreciated by customers, even in cases where bug fixes were marked as "won't do", usually with a workaround of some kind. This in itself also becomes an invaluable knowledge base over time, not to mention all the other benefits you get from support and engineering tracking their work in the same application. But of course, like all good things it didn't last, because the company was bought by some other company that thought it was absolutely insane to publicly admit that your software had bugs.
- anthonyskipper 3y ago^ You nailed it. The only issue tracker you need today comes with your source code repo. Both github and gitlab are not only more than sufficient, they are arguably better because the stripped down natures keeps people from doing silly things like all the jira anti-patterns.
- Hamuko 3y agoI kinda wish we could migrate completely off Jira and just start using GitLab issues instead. Unfortunately that's probably a fat chance when GitLab wants to charge us $99/month/user if we want to grant non-developers access to our GitLab. Jira is like $15/month/user.
- noam_compsci 3y agoThe H1s are so badly worded. They all feel like they are missing a word.
- vegarab 3y agoAside from being open-source, what’s the main differences from https://linear.app/ https://linear.app/ ?
- colordrops 3y ago"aside from being open-source"... That's a huge difference and the main difference that many care about.
- dvngnt_ 3y agolinear ui has better performance imo
- trollied 3y agoInteresting, the UI looks the same as Twenty ( https://twenty.com/ https://twenty.com/ ), that was shared on HN this week.
- qwertox 3y agoOne of the things I like most about Jira is the ability to execute useful queries via REST on the data stored in there. Most of the times when I read some post about Jira alternatives is that they completely ignore this topic.
- ericls 3y agoOne piece of feedback: The screenshot on the landing page is sooooo slow to load.
- empty_banana 3y agoLooks good
- dboreham 3y agoIt would be nice if someone implemented a clone of Bugzilla functionality using modern tech. Jira is the wrong thing to copy imho.
- fndex 3y agoBugzilla still exists. And if you think something is the wrong thing to copy, just copy the "right" thing yourself.
- dec0dedab0de 3y agoIt's also valid to make a comment where a bunch of developers might see it, and hope one of them agrees and has the time and skills to do it. Or maybe just to reach someone who never used bugzilla and doesn't realize it's light-years better than jira or rally.
- fndex 3y agoThat's valid, but saying that a product a few developers created for FREE, and made open source so anyone could copy and change is the "wrong thing to copy" is just disrespectful.
- dec0dedab0de 3y agoIt would be disrespectful if thats all they said, but including "it would be nice.." and "...imho" changes it to politely giving their opinion on a third party forum. If it were a show hn, or the projects own forum I might agree with you, but this is the appropriate place to give armchair opinions.
- shagie 3y agoOne of the problems of Jira is that it allows you to make any workflow for its issues. Bugzilla had a "this is how it's done, and that it is" attitude to bug tracking workflow - it wasn't configureable. As such, it couldn't be perverted into a dozen gates with different approvals needed for each gated step. It's really easy to copy Bugzilla's structure into Jira. It is very difficult to keep management from changing it into something else in Jira.
- thrown1212 3y agoThey meant “linear.app”, not Jira, and “copy” instead of alternative. There’s currency in this type of knock off. Find a well executed closed source app, clone as open source, pick an alternative pitch “the Jira killer”, then raise YC because open core is the fashionable argument.
- TheNewsIsHere 3y agoAs someone who typically rejects/hard-passes on products with the SSO tax (sometimes even when there’s budget/will to go with the SSO-included tier), I really appreciate the lack of the SSO tax here. The era for security and in particular identity and auth management to be pay-to-play is long over and I appreciate when projects and businesses are honest about that.
- viewtransform 3y agoSSO = Single sign-on "SSO refers to a SaaS or similar vendor allowing a business client to manage user accounts via the client’s own identity provider, without having to rely on the vendor to provide strong authentication with audit logs, and with the ability to create and delete user accounts centrally, for all users, across all software in use by that client."
- TheNewsIsHere 3y agoNormally you would expect any SSO capable application to keep its own auth logs. It’s certainly not a SaaS-centric thing. SSO has been around once before we used it widely with HTTP. I would also argue that the last part conflates SSO and SCIM. Usually these are kept as distinct features, even if compatible.
- paledot 3y agoI disagree. SSO is something that big companies care about and early-stage startups and hobbyists don't. It's a super easy gate to generate revenue from the people who can afford to pay (and mindshare from the people who can't). You seem to be advocating for SSO for personal use too, to which I say: hell no. I don't even use the same email address between different sites. Why should I give every site I log in to a freebie for cross-site tracking?
- TheNewsIsHere 3y agoI understand the business logic of why we have the SSO tax. I simply think it’s greedy and misguided in the modern era. I was speaking primarily from a business perspective, in particular one where I make technical decisions for mine and other (client) businesses. Experience has taught me that SMBs benefit greatly from SSO. They’re also simply the least likely to have the talent around to implement it well and reliably. So while you can use the SSO tax to drive revenue, you’re just moving the burden of account management to individual users and admins of small teams. As a long-time provider to small teams I can tell you how much they really hate dealing with that overhead when they probably already have a SAML and/or OIDC IdP service included with their MS365 or Google Workspace tenant. So as a result, I select away from those offerings if there are comparable alternatives, and there almost always are. I am not advocating for the use of social IdP (“Sign in with [Apple|Microsoft|Google|etc]”) for anything. I really dislike those as well, to the point that I actively select against services that only support signing in with a third party that I can’t control. I was specifically talking about SSO as it’s traditionally interpreted: SAML, OIDC, LDAP, etc that you control.
- no_wizard 3y agoIt’s AGPL licensed which is interesting. Much like Redmine this means modifications or customizations are a license violation unless shared correct? I wonder if these licenses are hurting the adoption of OSS alternatives for enterprise software
- wolrah 3y ago> It’s AGPL licensed which is interesting. Much like Redmine this means modifications or customizations are a license violation unless shared correct? No, AGPL means that if you're using it to provide a network service you must offer the source *to the users*, but not necessarily share it with the world as a whole. If you use it internally at a company, your modified source must be made available to your internal users. It is not required to be shared with the upstream project or the world as a whole. This is the same as any other GPL software, just with the AGPL network interaction provision. The only time AGPL requires sharing your modifications with the world is if you're using the AGPL code to provide services to the world. > I wonder if these licenses are hurting the adoption of OSS alternatives for enterprise software There are definitely a lot of enterprises that are paranoid about even using anything GPL related, mostly without good reason. If an organization that doesn't want to even consider sharing their modifications to code they're getting for free avoids using (A)GPL software as a result I think most developers who choose those licenses would say everything is working as intended.
- bbkane 3y agoDoes Plane offer an alternative for JQL (Jira Query Language)? That's what I appreciate most about Jira
- foxbee 3y agoInteresting tool. Happy to see it's Open Source. It would be nice to see better roadmap visualization.