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Over 50% of Young Danes Have Streamed or Downloaded Content Illegally
- churchill 3y agounrelated, but 100% of young Nigerians (and Africans, I presume) have streamed or downloaded content illegally. You have less bandwidth to worry about copyright when you can't afford it and your compliance can't be enforced.
- k__ 3y agoI would have guessed nearly 100%.
- PrimeMcFly 3y agoMany people have no idea how.
- ndsipa_pomu 3y agoI wonder how much of this is due to there being too many streaming services and/or them being geo-locked.
- benjaminwootton 3y agoThe industry has really snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Netflix and Spotify had younger generations paying for content, but the fragmentation will surely break them out of the habit.
- Hamuko 3y agoAre Spotify, Apple Music & co. losing customers? The music streaming space isn't massively geo-blocked or hampered by content exclusivity.
- intothemild 3y agoMost people are pirating movies and tv not music. Why? Because music doesn't do that much exclusives, so you can just choose a platform and you're ok. Whereas movies and tv shows are ALL exclusives now, so you have to subscribe to multiple places. It wasn't always like this as you remember, and that's why piracy died for a time.. you could just have one streaming service, and you're good. But people got greedy. They saw what Netflix had, and wanted it for themselves.. not realizing what that would mean
- cabalamat 3y ago>It wasn't always like this as you remember, and that's why piracy died for a time.. you could just have one streaming service, and you're good. But people got greedy. They saw what Netflix had, and wanted it for themselves.. not realizing what that would mean The problem is -- from the content companies' point of view -- that if there is one streaming service and multiple content creators then the steaming service will make the lion's share of the money. So the big content companies all want to have their own streaming service. This of course drives people back to the pirates.
- benjaminwootton 3y agoLike the peer comment, I think music will be fine. It’s cheap and you can get most mainstream music on most services. With TV and movies it’s highly fragmented. So I think people just don’t sign up to certain services, chop and change services, or resort to piracy. Or possibly the younger generations put the time into YouTube & TikTok.
- intothemild 3y agoThe most fascinating thing, is that most people have been paying for media for so long that they FORGOT how piracy used to work. When I explain to them how piracy works now, how automated and easy it's become to use (setup is another thing), they are shocked. Basically piracy took a kind of microservice approach, where one app does downloading, and another set of apps (each specific to a type of media) handle finding that specific thing, sending it to the download client, and then moving, renaming, when it's done. All you do is use an app of your choice to say I want this, and everything else goes to work .. then when you want to watch it, its streamed wherever you want by another app of your choice. Sounds difficult but the actual use of it is very very simple. Gone is the manual searching, moving, checking, etc... Heck I don't even manually find and fix subtitles anymore.
- mulmen 3y ago> Heck I don't even manually find and fix subtitles anymore. The UX in streaming services gets worse with every update, to say nothing of the constant catalog changes. I do want to dip my toes back into the piracy world. What makes me nervous is how to remain anonymous. I know a few people who got hit with torrent warnings. Is it all still newsgroups? What's the state of the art in home piracy setups now?
- intothemild 3y agoI'm not going to advise on anything related to piracy sadly. I don't want this thread to turn into a guide. But there is something you touched on, how the UX gets worse... The UX of piracy keeps getting better. Also, side note... Why can't streaming services just have ALL the subtitle languages? You can get around this with a VPN, so they have the license... Why not just let us chose? Why have only a couple languages to chose from at best.
- throwaway290 3y agoIt's not easy if you want quality. I like more obscure stuff in best res for my screen (can't stream that on average connection) and without a registration only torrent tracker it'd take a lot of time to find a dl. I'm sure I'm not in the know on this to do it best though. And for bad quality yeah shady basic web streaming sites exists though. Keep in mind they are packed with unstoppable video ads and malware js though. I don't poke them with a 10 foot pole usually. I sub to Apple TV btw. Some originals are very good. UX works for me.
- arijun 3y ago"The industry” is not a monolithic entity—-the different players might rather get a larger piece of a smaller pie.
- randomluck040 3y agoNetflix was great but it got more crowded due to everyone wanting a piece of the cake. Now there are few shows or bunch of movies interesting to me that are either distributed evenly on multiple services or not available at my location at all. I’d be okay to pay as I go if there was at least one central way to access all content without ads and on demand but no one seems to be interested in that.
- passwordoops 3y agoI would gladly make one-off purchases directly to studios/creators for specific titles
- intothemild 3y agoI want to do this too... But what's annoying is sometimes things don't come to VOD, just to a streaming service.
- passwordoops 3y agoAt this point, paying for Netflix, Disney+, Apple TV, and HBO Max comes out to about the same price as cable for me. So yeah the inventive is there...
- vehemenz 3y agoDon’t forget Paramount+, Peacock, Hulu, and Amazon Prime.
- kilmanio 3y ago"Over 50% of young Danes admit to streaming or downloading content illegally"
- Aeolun 3y agoYeah, I figured that was extremely low. But maybe it's because content is much more easily available legally now. You can basically never run out of Netflix. If you're asking the millennial generation however, the numbers should be near 100%.
- kilmanio 3y agoYou might not be able to run out of Netflix, but you will run out of the good content quite fast, especially if you only have the content available in $COUNTRY
- plorkyeran 3y agoOr possibly are aware they stream or download content illegally. Copyright infringement is so incredibly routine that people don’t even realize that’s what they’re doing.
- zelphirkalt 3y agoLets put all of them into prisons for multiple years, at the wish of the copyright owners. Does Europe have enough prisons?
- atom058 3y agoNo, no. You need to fine each person for the maximum potential harm that they inflicted to the licence holders. Downloaded a movie that's not available to buy anywhere via P2P? That will be $10.000.000 due to lost potential revenue. Seems fair.
- daneel_w 3y agoAnd 100% of Danes, Swedes and Norwegians, regardless age, pay pre-emptive "copying fees" on every piece of storage medium they buy no matter what they intend to use it for. You should never feel guilty for downloading some MP3s or whatever. A little bit of extra information in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36756675 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36756675
- mulmen 3y agoWait what? Really? In that case why not pirate your content? You already paid for it.
- Aachen 3y ago> why not pirate your content? You already paid for it Because you didn't pay for the content. Assuming it's analogous to the Dutch law, the tax compensates lost income from you being able to store publicly broadcast copyrighted materials, such as music on the radio or movies shown on TV. That's why it is taxed on storage devices and varies per device type. You haven't gotten a license on every piece of music, software, and movie in existence. That would be great lol, I'd sign up for that tax. Essentially, that's what Netflix was for movies until Disney etc. decided they wanted not to participate and now we wonder why piracy hasn't died
- mulmen 3y agoIf storage devices contain a punitive charge for piracy then you did already pay for it. Why pay for a subscription if you already paid the fine?
- Aachen 3y agoPunitive money goes into the government's general funds ("algemene middelen", not sure if there's an internationally correct legal term). This money, instead, goes to copyright holders. The amount is set to cover minor household use, like copying from a friend or a broadcast. It's not to absolve you from copyright law as an individual altogether and make you never have to pay for a movie in your life If that's what you want, parliament is the assembly you will want to talk to, but I'm afraid that they're bound by international treaties and, even if not, the height of the tax that absolves you of all copyright ever would be more than you're willing to pay
- jacknews 3y agoWhat are the alternatives now? Streaming services have crippled themselves (collectively) by hoarding content; you now need to sign up for several if you want access to everything. And pay-per-movie (eg itunes) is just ridiculously expensive, $10/movie, that's a whole day's salary in poorer countries. The industry needs to stop bleating about ordinary people 'stealing' from them, and come up with better business models/practices that match what people are willing to pay.
- Moldoteck 3y ago-And pay-per-movie (eg itunes) is just ridiculously expensive, $10/movie, that's a whole day's salary in poorer countries. I don't think this is relevant for Denmark, bc their salaries are much bigger. But it's imo expensive anyways
- madsbuch 3y agoI think the problem in Denmark is re-buying things: You bought Harry Potter on VHS, now again on DVD, again on BlueRay, again through Blockbuster, and again through YouTube. In the end that is one expensive movie! In the end it is less unfair to just download the movie you already paid for.
- Aachen 3y agoIt's unfair to need another license. Distribution costs are a thing also via the Internet, so while they're close to zero per movie it still makes sense to have to pay. However, there is no mechanism to prove you have a license, so in that sense I see your point
- mulmen 3y agoHuh. I'm a millennial. We scored a perfect 100%. Beat that zoomers.
- vgatherps 3y agoSomething that shocked me when I left the USA a few years ago was how aggressively region locked everything is outside of the states. More than half the times I’ve tried to find something it’s “oh, this isn’t available in your region”. “Oh, this is available in your region but you need a credit card from this region”. “Oh, this is available in your region but your email address is tied to an account in a different region”. “Oh, this is available in your region but only in low quality”. The unholy combo of “oh, this is available in your account’s region, and it’s available in the region you’re visiting, but in this region we can only show the content to people from this region”. It’s no surprise that piracy/vpns are still widespread - streaming companies (really media producers) are blocking people from purchasing their services!!!
- danpalmer 3y agoSo much media comes from the US, and the default position of US media companies seems to be to broadcast in the US first and think about their international strategy later. Show comes out, becomes a big hit in the US, everyone else thinks it looks good and wants to watch, the only place it's available is via pirating. And then TV companies are shocked at the level of piracy. What did they expect?
- throwaway290 3y agoPretty sure this is in large part due to local regulators...
- Aeolun 3y agoI'm pretty sure that if you make original content you can sell the license wherever you like. Certainly more than is happening now.
- throwaway290 3y agoI don't think just because it is online streaming you are suddenly not subject to whatever regulations for shows and films...
- RobotToaster 3y agoOnly 50%? I'm disappointed.
- ilyt 3y agoThe other 50% got files directly from the other 50% downloading
- LoveMortuus 3y ago“One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue. The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.” -Gabe Newell
- pluijzer 3y agoI can relate to this. I get my music from Bandcamp, it is easy to get non DRM'ed files. Same for games which I buy on GoG, comes also with easy to download non DRM'ed files. I never illegally download games and music because of this. When it comes to series though; They are either not available anywhere legally, not in my region, only available with some streaming service subscription were the rest of the catalog doesn't interest me. Disappear from the catalog etc. etc. etc. I might've downloaded series because of it. Give me a service were I can legally download .mkv files and I certainly will pay for it. Right now illegally downloading it is just far superior.
- ilyt 3y agoSame. Give me a fucking file, I don't care for your shitty app, and I want to watch it when I want on what I want.
- Y-bar 3y agoThis is very similar to the sentiment of Steve Jobs' open letter "Thoughts on Music" where he called upon record companies to allow him to abolish DRM in the iTunes music store.
- orwin 3y agoTrue. I pay for steam, I pay for music I listen to, I pay for films (theater), and I download TV shows. I only watch 2-3 a year, and I can't justify paying 100€/month for at most 3 TV shows.
- yread 3y agoOn the other hand Steam is probably the most common antipiracy technology around.
- rowanG077 3y agoI mean what do you expect when you as an industry give paying customers a more shit service then you get by literally JUST downloading a video file.
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- costanzaDynasty 3y agoHonestly, I just stopped caring about movies and tv altogether. The Pandy push of trash content and everyone and their brother having a terrible and overpriced streaming service made me stop caring. I'll go spend my time and money on industry or products that don't actively hate their customers.
- intothemild 3y agoSomething that falls through the cracks is content that isn't available on streaming or VOD. Like take Northern Exposure, a huge hit TV show in the early 90's. It's not available anywhere except out of print DVDs because it features a lot of music, and the license for that music needs to be renegotiated. So it's lost to time basically. This is just one example, there's countless others. Not to mention all the older films/tv shows that no streaming company wants because they don't think it would attract anyone. Piracy is actually keeping this content alive... It's nuts.
- jncfhnb 3y agoStreaming is not illegal though is it? The article dances around this saying stuff like “lots of people stream; but they wouldn’t steal content; survey responders agree sharing content is like stealing”.
- NalNezumi 3y agoSurprised it's only 50%, but also surprised it is 50% in the era of streaming services and walled garden that is a smartphone. Reminds me of the time the prime minister of Sweden on TV said "well we can't prosecute an entire generation" when he was asked about his stance towards illegal downloading, about 16-20 years ago, when there was not a single soul among the youngs that hadn't downloaded (or watch someone else download for them) movie/music illegally. Hell, most people bought a PC/connected to internet specifically to download illegally. Internet didn't have much else to offer to the non-techy person, except Wikipedia for cheating on home assignments
- cjs_ac 3y agoBack when films were distrubuted on physical reels of film, making copies of the film was very expensive. The solution was to make enough copies for the cinemas in America, and once American cinemas were done with them, move them on to other countries. Films were given internationally staggered releases in order to control distribution costs. Once Internet advertising made marketing campaigns international, this suddenly ran into problems. Australia - usually amongst the last English-speaking countries to see Hollywood films - suddenly saw what Americans were seeing, and what they wouldn't see for the best part of a year. Many films went to DVD in America - and therefore the piracy networks - before getting to Australian cinemas. This specific problem has been solved now that films are distributed on optical media and hard disk drives, but torrenting remains very popular in Australia. When we talk of protecting copyright holders, the film studios are often blamed. However, this distribution system was set up by a network of separate distribution companies. A century ago, they provided the solution to a genuine logistical problem; now, they seek rent for solving a problem that no longer exists.
- badcppdev 3y agoI know people debate whether it's really "stealing" but my opinion is that if you won't pay then just don't watch. I don't care if I'm downvoted for this but people do not have a right to listen to music or watch movies. People seem to be united in their condemnation of wage theft where businesses don't pay their workers properly. And most people think restaurants should pay their waiters properly instead of relying on tips. I just think it's really analogous that if an artist makes some content then you should pay them for it. (And don't complain to me about the corrupt film or music industry. It's a simple moral choice by the individual)
- NalNezumi 3y agoProblem is that some illegal downloading (even today) is not just to circumvent paying but to some, the only way to access it. For example, early 2000 you couldn't (even if you wanted to pay) get access to Japanese Anime. And even if you did pay to get access (satellite TV) they didn't have subtitles so you couldn't really watch it. So fan-made subtitle and fan-supported illegal sites was your only option outside Japan. (except for a handful of shows) It would've all been solved if the close-minded Japanese publisher cared to put some effort to make it available globally but they didn't. And hence there wasn't really ANY money lost in the process, because they didn't even sell it to the people outside Japan downloading it. One can even argue (but publisher will fanatically oppose you) that illegal downloading did lead to profit; anime was a subculture outside Japan that is now a global money making industry. It didn't just randomly out of nowhere spur because "industry finally acted" but because it already had a strong following that amplified it as soon as it got available on major platforms. Putting all illegal download under one umbrella and judging it in a moral white/black, is a narrow view.
- badcppdev 3y agoYou could have chosen to not watch the anime. No one forced you to pirate it. Sometimes the only way for an individual to access some content is for them to steal that content. And that person can choose to steal or not watch the content. How is that not a simple black and white moral choice. You have no right to see something just because you really really want to.
- lordnacho 3y agoI would imagine this means everyone has watched pirated content. Not everyone is comfortable navigating a piracy site, but everyone knows someone who knows how to do it, and I've never run into anyone who has a problem with watching a pirated movie, anywhere. Tbh it's often easier to find what you want in pirated form than streaming. Your services might have taken off the thing you want to watch, or you might not have the service that has the thing you want.
- Simulacra 3y agoMy colleague has not paid for media content in over ten years. He pirates everything. I'm surprised the percentage is not much higher. Perhaps it is a technology understanding gap?
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- orwin 3y agoSome people just don't watch TV shows, and only TV shows needs alternate, less legal means. That's why illegal download isn't as prevalent as when Winamp was the only way to listen to any music. In the meantime, I just paid 200€ in sales taxes to Universal/Disney for my ssd where I only store VM images. If I get bored before this sting less (unlikely, but still), I'll just pay 10 euros/month to set up a seedbox with real storage and write an interface for my family to use it at will, by pure pettiness.