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Leo Tolstoy on why people drink (2014)
- ogurechny 3y agoAmazingly, there are long threads discussing drinking, even though Tolstoy's essay is not about drinking. You can substitute it with “media consumption”, etc. I guess no one bothered to read it.
- wellanyway 3y agoAh yes, what better time to admire russian culture?
- ProllyInfamous 3y agoPeople ~~do~~ abuse drugs to escape seemingly-insurmountable problem(s) in their life. "The opposite of addiction is connection" ——Gabriel Maté I have been "clean" from a past life for 14 years. Every day is a challenge.
- psychphysic 3y agoI drink because I'm boring sober, I don't drink cause I'm an ass when I do.
- wouldbecouldbe 3y agoyeah you can be perfectly happy and just really enjoy a beer. If dosed & timed properly it amplifies happiness & relaxation. Problem after too much the body just craves more.
- shortcake27 3y agoEh, I don’t think it’s that deep. I take drugs because it feels good and I have a good time, so the risks are worth it. I have zero interest maximising my lifespan at the expense of enjoyment. I’ll never understand why the general population is so hell-bent on preventing people from enjoying their own life.
- kibwen 3y agoThere's an important distinction to be made between recreational drug use and habitual drug use, though the line can be blurry. For individuals who are predisposed to start at recreational and end up at habitual, it can be better to abstain altogether.
- ProllyInfamous 3y agoThis is a really good response. I definitely "have an addictive personality."
- Etheryte 3y agoSend your regards to Nixon and his public relations team for that last part (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs).
- _yb2s 3y agoAlcohol and other drugs feel good and allow you to have a good time by allowing you to escape negative emotional experiences and just enjoy the moment: fear, social anxiety, trauma. Without those negative feelings, you would already feel good, and the alcohol would lose it's appeal.
- Arn_Thor 3y agoNo, it’s not so simple. Alcohol changes the brain in ways that affect dopamine and endorphins. You literally feel pleasure and happiness… unless and until you’ve had too much of course
- mvdtnz 3y agoNo, you're overthinking it. I'm perfectly happy when I'm sober - I have a nice house, a great relationship, a happy family and tons of hobbies. I am in no way crippled by fear, social anxiety or trauma. Drinking with my friends makes me happy in different ways. Alcohol doesn't lose its appeal just because I'm happy while I'm sober.
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- nkuttler 3y ago> People do drugs to escape seemingly-insurmountable problem(s) in their life. Some people
- skhm 3y agocongratulations on 14
- ProllyInfamous 3y agoThanks man! I just got my teeth fully-restored (implants) from all the teeth-grinding that having-been such-a-fool was. I've cried for days (teefs are so important!)... I can chew food again.
- NovaDudely 3y agoIt is said that drugs like alcohol are bad solutions to bad problem.
- jahsome 3y agoI can't fathom why I had to scroll so far down to find a response like this. Congratulations on your success. The amount of posters in this thread who seem to mistake a superficial physical co-existence in a social setting for genuine connection is staggering. The Mate quote you've shared seems to address it directly, and better than I could have hoped (and tried) to articulate myself.
- ProllyInfamous 3y agoMaté's book "In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts" helped me better understand my changed life — definitely fit more with my own struggles than Hari's also-good "Chasing the Scream" [which deals more with societal legalities].
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- jrflowers 3y agoThis is a good point about the famous American author Leo Tolstoy
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- dang 3y agoCould you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- ldjkfkdsjnv 3y agoCall me crazy, but as a highly analytical person that has spent 70% of my waking hours in the last five years working on something technical, my social skills are best when I'm hungover. The logical analytical side of me is diminished and I am much more "normal". I have a much higher rate of success on dates with women when I have a really bad hang over and then a few drinks. It does feel like a lobotomy, and that's fine. If I am in my normal raw intellect, I will begin going deep on some topic thats outside the range of normal human discourse. It will be hard for me to stop, because of my interest. Alcohol removes that to a large degree. Edit: A funny meta observation, the "Peak HN" comment below, and the following conversation, might not have been necessary if I wrote this post very hungover.
- hackhackerschor 3y agoAre you sure you mean hungover?
- ldjkfkdsjnv 3y agoYes. Going from sober -> drunk does not remove my somewhat autist analytical bent. Being hungover, my brain is moving alot slower, less detailed, etc.
- hbn 3y agoI'm the complete opposite, I can barely put a sentence together when I'm hungover. To be fair I can barely put a sentence together when sober either.
- layer8 3y agoWhat’s your current state of soberness?
- hbn 3y agoIf you mean at the current moment in time, I'm sober. And it's easier when I'm typing and can edit my sentences as I go. But in day-to-day, trying to explain things or convey my thoughts coherently, I'm pretty bad. I think it's gotten worse in the past few years with how isolated I've been starting with the pandemic.
- blast 3y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVFe9ungqtk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVFe9ungqtk
- sublinear 3y agoWow this reads like something from the prohibition era. It's not just possible, but common to drink responsibly. The pain and dissonance has more to do with immaturity than the booze itself. Not everyone who drinks turns into a wannabe Socrates or Caligula.
- bandrami 3y agoIt's possible but it's also a relatively new idea. In Tolstoy's time anybody who wasn't a teetotaler was pretty much drinking until they passed out, every day. Military rations included a daily gallon of beer or quart of distilled liquor.
- motohagiography 3y agoI used to think that a drunk was someone who would drink to ease a burden of shame. As I got older what changed is I developed compassion for them. It impairs judgment - of oneself, and of others; for better, or for worse.
- Blahah 3y agoDrinking slows down my brain and reduces the number of threads running in parallel. Sometimes very useful to enable normal-passing interaction in social environments. Or just to be able to focus. Lots of people with ADHD drink to achieve a more single threaded experience. Edit to add: I don't meant to encourage drinking as a tool for managing ADHD. It works but it's a blunt and dangerous tool. If you're at that point, you'll absolutely love the results you get from the healthier strategies: Understanding yourself; developing a suite of tools that don't involve a slippery slope; and curating your social and physical environment carefully.
- fisherjeff 3y agoTook me way too many years to understand this
- TheEzEzz 3y agoInteresting analogy. I feel like I talk and think faster when I'm drunk but am also more focused and can hold less in my mind. I'm wondering if it's because I'm switching into single threaded mode instead of multi-threaded mode, and that single thread is actually faster, but more limited.
- leobg 3y agoInteresting. Ever tried coding when drunk? So far, we’ve got programming languages named after caffeinating drinks, but none named after alcoholic ones.
- meitham 3y agoBallmer Peak comes to mind https://xkcd.com/323/ https://xkcd.com/323/. The right amount of booze to keep that single thread of execution focused on the programming task!
- yamazakiwi 3y agoI'd add that I've done this in a the past and the main issue with treating ADHD with alcohol for me was the weight gain.
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- rythmshifter 3y ago"He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man."
- glonq 3y agoOne of the reasons why I don't drink is that I like being me. Specifically... - I like who I am when I'm sober, and don't expect that I would like 'drunk me'. - I like being in full control over what I experience and how I experience it. - I also enjoy remembering (and not regretting) those experiences.
- Quekid5 3y agoThis meant with NO JUDGMENT WHATSOEVER, but I'm curious: > ... and don't expect that I would like 'drunk me'. Have you ever tried being drunk? I wouldn't recommend it if you're fine the way you are, but OTOH, I think people don't actually understand unless they've tried it. (I know that's kind of shitty, but ... that's life.)
- yamazakiwi 3y agoMost people I know that say the whole "I like being in control" have only drank a few times (maybe bad experiences) but like the idea of not drinking so they promote this narrative in their head. It's an excuse so they can compartmentalize drinking into the "Now I don't have to care about this because it's bad for my physical health anyway" box. Really it's just an easy excuse that doesn't need to be true because the fact remains that this person doesn't want to be a person who drinks and most won't question it. It's also possible they get drunk quite easily.
- Quekid5 3y agoSee, that's the opposite of no judgment. Choosing not to drink or do drugs (or whatever) is a-okay.
- glonq 3y ago> Choosing not to drink or do drugs (or whatever) is a-okay. It should be. But people tend to get real defensive around teetotalers, maybe because many of them are judgy and preachy because they don't drink for religious reasons. It seems to me that in western cultures, ex-drinkers get a lot more respect than never-drinkers.
- belfalas 3y ago"When a man is sober he is ashamed of what seems all right when he is drunk. In these words we have the essential underlying cause prompting men to resort to stupefiers. People resort to them either to escape feeling ashamed after having done something contrary to their consciences, or to bring themselves beforehand into a state in which they can commit actions contrary to conscience, but to which their animal nature prompts them. A man when sober is ashamed to go after a prostitute, ashamed to steal, ashamed to kill. A drunken man is ashamed of none of these things, and therefore if a man wishes to do something his conscience condemns he stupefies himself." - Tolstoy (from the article)
- kgwxd 3y agoSeems to only be focusing on mean drunks. I've never had the desire to do any of those things, drunk or sober, and I'm drunk almost every night.
- circuit8 3y agoThis is the core of the issue. The thing is that in modern western societies shame is placed upon many activities that are normal and necessary for a human to enjoy a good life. It is shameful in many places for a person to sing, dance, and to express their true emotions. So we intoxicate ourselves, in order to escape from the overly rigid social conditioning we have all internalised.
- throwaway2037 3y agomodern western societies shame is placed upon many activities that are normal and necessary for a human to enjoy a good life Where are my Italians at? They don't do this. Probably Spaniards and Greeks also, but I have met far fewer.
- circuit8 3y agoYes agreed. It seems to me that the more rigid the culture (Britain, Scandinavia, Japan etc) the more they binge drink.
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- dizzydes 3y agoInhibitions are inhibiting, so its mighty fine to lose them once in a while. Lose them continually and there's no life left.
- bcatanzaro 3y agoI find the description of alcohol as something that "stupefies" rather reductive. People are often louder, more expressive and more interesting when they've had a drink. The opposite of catatonic. Now it's true that overdosing on alcohol is poisonous but most people don't drink to the point of stupification regularly. I am interested in why Tolstoy feels the need to be so reductive. Sounds to me like he might also be "hiding from himself what he doesn't wish to see". Which is a human activity so I don't begrudge him his own chosen blind spots, I just think it's interesting and I'm wondering if he is being fully honest with himself about why he hates alcohol so much.
- thyrsus 3y agoTolstoy argues that it is the conscience in particular that is stupefied; he may also have been influenced by behavior he observed. I have anecdotal experience of Russians drinking themselves beyond garrulity into stupor, although I'm certain it can happen in any culture where alcohol is available.
- ordu 3y ago> Sounds to me like he might also be "hiding from himself what he doesn't wish to see". He tells exactly this. You and him are looking from different sets of axioms, so you come to a different language, but it is just outside appearance. Tolstoy uses axioms like Freud's: human is an animal inside and human needs to work hard to subside his/her animal nature and to become a Human. So human is inherently bad, but it may become good if tried hard enough. From other hand you start from different premises (I allow myself a little guessing here, sorry): human is inherently good, but may become bad due to bad experiences. So if one feels the need to become good, they need to dig inside themselves, find out what happens, accept it, and learn how to live with it. Humanistic psychology like that. But the funny thing, that it doesn't matter much where you begin to think what it means to be a human, the most complicating thing is a communication between people using different sets of axioms about human nature.
- dgreensp 3y agoNeither set of axioms requires one to be extremely reductive about something like alcohol. Does Tolstoy admit to being reductive (“he tells exactly this”)? I think in this case it isn’t the axioms but the “style” of philosophical discourse that requires the reader to take the message with a big grain of salt. Like when a YouTuber says, “In the next ten minutes, I’m going to lay out the exact formula for how to write a perfect screenplay,” it’s not literally true. Tolstoy’s musings are a little deeper than your average YouTuber, on par with a good one, similarly overblown and oversimplified, and more moralizing.
- victor9000 3y agoMainly to distract myself as a way to destress
- dougmwne 3y agoAround the time I hit 30, alcohol just kind of stopped working for me. It makes me feel a little calm and tired, but the euphoria is gone. Previously I was close to having a problem with drinking and went out a few too many night a week for a few too many drinks. I still drink a little, but in the kind of way someone might drink milkshakes. I sort of miss it, but sort of don’t.
- orblivion 3y ago> Some those who have never once taken the trouble to consider whether they do well or ill to drink wine may add that wine is good for the health and adds to one’s strength; that is to say, will make a statement long since proved baseless. Wait how did Tolstoy know this? The studies proving it baseless only came out like a year ago!
- siliconc0w 3y agoIf you're a habitual drinker - try not drinking for a month to see if the habit just stops. I stopped to do an experiment on my sleep and biomarkers and haven't found the urge to continue (still drink socially but I used to have a whiskey after dinner pretty reliably). For me it was pretty clearly just to destress and have something to sip on in front of TV. I switched to a non-caffeinated tea+honey+lemon which might event help with sleep rather than disturb it. Kinda basic psychology but it's helpful to just put the bottles away in an a cabinet - if I don't see them I don't even think, "oh - I could go for a drink". The difference is expending the willpower to not drink vs not to even think to drink.
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- rektide 3y agoThe meta point is poetically spun. > All human life, we may say, consists solely of these two activities: (1) bringing one’s activities into harmony with conscience, or (2) hiding from oneself the indications of conscience in order to be able to continue to live as before. > Some do the first, others the second. To attain the first there is but one means: moral enlightenment — the increase of light in oneself and attention to what it shows. To attain the second — to hide from oneself the indications of conscience — there are two means: one external and the other internal. The external means consists in occupations that divert one’s attention from the indications given by conscience; the internal method consists in darkening conscience itself. Sounds oh so much like a somewhat veiled Teror Management Theory, like the premise TMT starts from. We fear the end of our meaningfulness. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/terror-management-theory https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/terror-management-...
- 1ark 3y ago"The Easy Way To Stop Drinking by Allen Carr", recommended for those who are curious about not drinking anymore.
- asimovfan 3y agoIt's actually a replacement for mindfulness. We think this will help, bring us more to the "present moment", let us enjoy moment to moment experience of life more. All things that we do that is optional to life is basically like this. Smoking as well. When one develops mindfulness a bit this becomes quite apparent.
- thenoblesunfish 3y agoLet's consider this quote "All human life, we may say, consists solely of these two activities: (1) bringing one’s activities into harmony with conscience, or (2) hiding from oneself the indications of conscience in order to be able to continue to live as before." Note that he has defined all of life as two points about "one" and "oneself". This is why I and I assume many others roll their eyes. Because Tolstoy, and most essays about alcohol, don't even mention what I think is the point of alcohol. It's a drug that makes it easier to socialize, and socializing is very, very good for people. So good that I will risk it, even though alcohol is bad in many ways: bad for physical and mental health, risky for abuse, etc. If you are anti alcohol, that is reasonable, but it seems no one will ever admit what it's really for. This is important, because alcohol is unhealthy and if you want to discourage it, give people other low effort ways to connect.
- deafpolygon 3y agoSocializing is not the point of alcohol. People use it for many other reasons, besides just to socialize. I would know.
- lazyant 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantsdrunk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantsdrunk
- stiglitz 3y agoI enjoy drinking alone.
- gfody 3y agoyou’re socializing with yourself
- NovaDudely 3y agoThat is a really cool way of putting it. Disclaimer : Everything in moderation.
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- fferen 3y agoEveryone warns you about alcohol, but I have only had positive experiences, and in fact, wish I started drinking sooner in life. When I was going through a period of general anxiety and loneliness, I used to drink alone every weekend. It was a lot of fun and led to some of my best decisions, such as applying for a new job. Nowadays, I'm in a more stable place and only drink socially. I feel like my mind is by default "extra sober", and drinking helps bring it to a normal level of sobriety.
- b800h 3y ago"There is too much blood in my alcohol-stream", yes?
- jasfi 3y agoThey're not trying to ruin your fun. Alcohol increases the risk of cancer: https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/alcohol/ https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/alcohol/
- BTinfinity 3y agoSo does the sun: https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/skin/basic_info/sun-safety.htm https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/skin/basic_info/sun-safety.htm But the sun, like alcohol, isn't so bad in moderation
- jasfi 3y agoI know the sun can increase skin cancer risk, that's why people take precautions. The risks of alcohol are quite well known (e.g. what drinking & driving often does). It's also addictive, which means some people really struggle to stop or can't. It's not harmless at all.
- danwee 3y agoWhat an argument. Sun: can I live forever in a cave so I don't get any sunlight? No, you can't (in practical terms). But you can use sunscreen and you can limit the number of hours you get exposed to sun (don't be a dick and lay down on the beach 5h straight during hot summer days). Problem fixed. Alcohol: can I live forever without drinking any alcohol. Yes, you can. Problem fixed.
- b800h 3y agoThe full text of Tolstoy's essay is available here: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Why_Do_Men_Stupefy_Themselves%3F https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Why_Do_Men_Stupefy_Themselves...
- lxe 3y agoIf you subscribe to this, it's easy to see how drinking can be a vicious feedback loop. You drink, do whatever that is you do, then feel "ashamed" after you sober up, then drink more just to dull your view. Many spiral out of control like this without their families or coworkers even knowing how far astray from the "path" directed by the conscious compass they are. Another interesting point is that "stupefiers" allow you to do things your "conscience" wouldn't allow you otherwise. Tolstoy brings up things like murdering or stealing, but there are also beneficial things like socializing or creative process. Yet, regardless of the positives, it seems like the health detriments of alcohol are becoming more and more accepted by society. I noticed that less and less younger people drink these days, and I'm seeing more and more N/A options in bars and stores, at least in some parts of the U.S.
- EGreg 3y agoI really like Leo Tolstoy! Like Newton, he also devoted himself to studying Hebrew and the original Jewish texts to try to get at the root of his beliefs, and wound up questioning much. He worked alongside his own peasants (who at the time it was legal to own) and left the Russian orthodox church and ended up living basically in the woods. He was also a pacifist and refused to fight for the Tzar, citing scripture. Centuries ago, another such interesting figure said similar things as you see here… Blaise Pascal: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25483334 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25483334
- bambax 3y ago> How is it that where there is no vodka, wine or beer, we find opium, hashish, fly-agaric, and the like, and that tobacco is used everywhere? Was "tobacco" at the time different from what it's now? I have been a smoker for years (stopped a long time ago) and in my experience, as well as others', tobacco does not stupefy, at all. Is it possible that what Tolstoy called "tobacco" involved other substances as well?
- joedeandev 3y ago< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Central_nervous_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Central_nervous_syste... > > Nicotine is unusual in comparison to most drugs, as its profile changes from stimulant to sedative with increasing dosages, a phenomenon known as "Nesbitt's paradox" after the doctor who first described it in 1969.
- Simon_O_Rourke 3y agoSamuel Johnson had a more pithy quote on the same subject. "I called on Dr. Johnson one morning, when Mrs. Williams, the blind lady, was conversing with him. She was telling him where she had dined the day before. "There were several gentlemen there," said she, "and when some of them came to the tea-table, I found that there had been a good deal of hard drinking." She closed this observation with a common and trite moral reflection; which, indeed, is very ill-founded, and does great injustice to animals—"I wonder what pleasure men can take in making beasts of themselves." "I wonder, Madam," replied the Doctor, "that you have not penetration to see the strong inducement to this excess; for he who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Samuel_Johnson https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Samuel_Johnson
- jsmith99 3y agoHe was more enthusiastic about drugs for the poor: 'What signifies, says some one, giving halfpence to beggars? they only lay it out in gin or tobacco. "And why should they be denied such sweeteners of their existence (says Johnson)? it is surely very savage to refuse them every possible avenue to pleasure, reckoned too coarse for our own acceptance. Life is a pill which none of us can bear to swallow without gilding; yet for the poor we delight in stripping it still barer, and are not ashamed to shew even visible displeasure, if ever the bitter taste is taken from their mouths."'
- Simon_O_Rourke 3y agoSensible policies for a sensible society.
- keiferski 3y agoTolstoy was an aristocrat and most people commenting here are functionally in the same position; that is, largely able to choose which substances they consume - or choose not to consume them at all. This is not the case for the vast majority of alcohol use throughout history. Historically, for lower class professions like farmers or factory workers, drinking was just something you did. It was something your father did, and his father did, etc. It was an inherited cultural trait, not a decision that an individual ruminated over. Adding to that were exploitative practices against these workers by the providers of alcohol, in a way not dissimilar to the recent opioid crisis.
- opportune 3y agoWow, this is a hugely reductionist and patronizing take. You really think there weren’t lower class people choosing not to drink, or to drink less? I’m hoping you might simply be biased by the fact that most of what we know about history, and even in more recent times most of what gets mindshare, comes from the upper class. For one, many religious movements across the world preached against alcohol use - and while you can argue in some cases the doctrine was set by the upper classes, that doesn’t hold as much water when looking at the many popular Protestant movements which were pretty grassroots. Temperance in the US was hugely driven by middle and working class women, not just elites. And alcohol use was highly controlled by such elitist movements as Leninist Russia.
- keiferski 3y agoThe temperance movement was limited to a fairly small percentage of Christians and only began in the 19th century. > Throughout the first 1,800 years of Church history, Christians generally consumed alcoholic beverages as a common part of everyday life and used "the fruit of the vine" in their central rite—the Eucharist or Lord's Supper. They held that both the Bible and Christian tradition taught that alcohol is a gift from God that makes life more joyous, but that over-indulgence leading to drunkenness is sinful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_alcohol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_alcohol
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- oofnik 3y agoI find it really interesting that until ten minutes ago, historically speaking, there was an implicit assumption that there exists a moral dimension to drug and alcohol consumption. I mean, referring to such substances as "stupifiers" really drives the point home - Tolstoy says these are things you consume when you wish to act in a way you know is morally questionable, or after the act to dull your conscience. The overwhelming shift in the social sciences from the political to the personal, and the related shift from the moral to the psychological over the course of the twentieth century, has led us to the point where we are no longer able to even conjure up language necessary to condemn excessive drug and alcohol consumption in terms of moral failure without sounding like a religious lunatic. It makes one wonder what Tolstoy would have to say about harm reduction.
- andyjohnson0 3y agoRelated talk at the Long Now: "Drinking for 10,000 Years: Intoxication and Civilization" [1] Edward Slingerland’s latest research is a deep dive into the alcohol-soaked origins of civilization — and the evolutionary roots of humanity’s appetite for intoxication. “Drunk: How We Sipped, Danced and Stumbled Our Way to Civilization” elegantly cuts through the tangle of urban legends that surround our notions of intoxication to provide a rigorous, scientifically-grounded explanation for our love of alcohol. Drawing on evidence from archaeology, history, cognitive neuroscience, psychopharmacology, social psychology, literature, and genetics, Slingerland shows that our taste for chemical intoxicants is not an evolutionary mistake, as we are so often told. In fact, intoxication helps solve a number of distinctively human challenges: enhancing creativity, alleviating stress, building trust, and pulling off the miracle of getting fiercely tribal primates to cooperate with strangers. [1] https://longnow.org/ideas/drinking-10000-years-intoxication-and-civilization/ https://longnow.org/ideas/drinking-10000-years-intoxication-...
- itvision 3y ago1. Unfulfilled expectations dictated by the society around you - since we are herd animals, that runs deep below our consciousness and exhausts us. To deal with fatigue people start to look for ways to calm down this part of the brain, ergo substances. 2. Problems you cannot resolve and cannot stop thinking about. Again, closely related to the previous issue. That's it. No need to write 25 long paragraphs about that.
- makeitdouble 3y agoAsking Tolstoi to not write 25 paragraphs about it is a tall order. Otherwise, yes, we seriously need more harmless and easily maneageable substances to calm down consciousness/societal brain. This is an issue that we'll keep having a long as we live in societies.
- koiueo 3y agoA wife beater and domestic abuser normalizes alcohol use. That's here is the famous mysterious russian culture for you kids.