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Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disn

• uejfiweun 3y ago
  If they remove old reddit, I'm done. The "new" reddit UI is literally one of my least favorite things in the world. Filled with clutter and ads, requires too many clicks to see what you want to see, low information density... I could go on.
  • spazx 3y ago
    New reddit is the worst. Who even designed it? Every time I accidentally find myself on new reddit UI, I feel like I'm looking through foggy glasses. Over the course of about 20 seconds, I blindly click around, feeling lost and confused, then frustrated, and then I just add "old" to the URL.
    • treyd 3y ago
      > Who even designed it? Someone looking to maximize user engagement metrics and ad impressions.
      • zirgs 3y ago
        But why should I visit tiktokified reddit if I can visit actual tiktok instead?
    • photonerd 3y ago
      I interviewed at Reddit around that time. They showed me what (I didn’t know at the time) was to be the new design & asked me to critique it (UI role). I.. did not hold back. I was polite, and encouraging, but the myriad of flaws was obvious. They seemed rather put out & defensive. It was around about them I realized that it was not going to be a good fit.
      • kps 3y ago
        Some time earlier this year (I think; certainly before the API drama; wish I'd bookmarked it), I saw a comment here from a Reddit manager complaining that they couldn't find good developers. I think the reason is pretty clear.
    • conradfr 3y ago
      > Who even designed it? This guy. https://www.wired.com/story/reddit-redesign/ https://www.wired.com/story/reddit-redesign/ To be fair I tried it again and it's speedier and better than I remembered, especially with the classic view. I still prefer old Reddit though. Even to Lemmy, as I prefer the fluid layout and contrast between comments.
    • pndy 3y ago
      Probably it was created by someone who prefer mobile environments and who also believe that bulky big interfaces are good. New design seems to be aiming at keeping users engaged with the site all the time by obstructing visibility of comments, for example Yesterday I saw a thread on tildes where some new user presented changes to the site via custom style which introduces rounded corners and big elements all around: https://tildes.net/~tildes/16cl/i_made_a_thing_to_make_tildes_look_better https://tildes.net/~tildes/16cl/i_made_a_thing_to_make_tilde... Guess it's the generation gap - those who were growing up with mobile devices are fond of similar interfaces and that's what reddit tried to exploit I'm on the opposite side: I prefer minimal interfaces, like old reddit, hn or current tildes. Lemmy seems to be more "modern" on that aspect
      • bluescrn 3y ago
        No point designing it for mobile browsers if they're going to block mobile browsers from using it, or at best irritate the hell out of mobile web users with relentless 'app nags'
  • mrweasel 3y ago
    Someone has to be using the redesign, most I'd guess, but I don't understand how. It's one thing that I don't like the look and feel, that's pretty subjective to a point, but the problem is that it doesn't actually work. Something as basic as reading comments is still broken, after all these years. You can not navigate the comment section. Seems like a pretty big oversight, unless you betting the farm on doom-scrolling, and I think that exactly what's happening. Reddit management left the community to it's own devices for years, now the ad revenue is drying up, they have an IPO around the corner (because no VC is going to throw more money into an anonymous message board). I don't really see any easy out for Reddit, they do need money, but I'm not sure they are going about it in the right way.
    • oldsecondhand 3y ago
      > You can not navigate the comment section. You're basically forced to hold control down, because expanding a comment might cause a page load, and the back button won't bring you where you originally were.
    • MaxikCZ 3y ago
      Most people dont even know about old.reddit. new users never hear of it, most of old users got served the redesign and just went with it. I bet only minority knows and actively uses old.reddit. its insane
      • anticensor 3y ago
        Why do many hate "new" Reddit in the first place?
  • Karellen 3y ago
    The worst part for me is all the flashes and redraws as it gradually loads more and more separate resources. "Hey look, here's a paragraph to read... nope, I just realised there's an image near the top that I think is going to be huge so I pushed that paragraph below the fold... no, wait, that image is actually tiny so here's that paragraph again... ooooh, but now there's a sidebar, so I've just resized and reflowed the paragraph that you had kind of started to read - good luck finding your place again!" As for how broken the "back" button is, fuuuuu.....
• cryptoegorophy 3y ago
  Any good alternative? I like hacker news for now that it still got some comments worth reading and interesting articles
  • spazx 3y ago
    Not that I know of. I keep poking around all the ones that pop up here, some of which are nicely made but still small, and I've been contemplating joining a Lemmy instance or starting one with some friends.
  • _pferreir_ 3y ago
    Lemmy: https://join-lemmy.org/ https://join-lemmy.org/
    • egeozcan 3y ago
      Are these servers like subreddits, or more like email providers? Is there a "see all, interact with all, no restrictions" lemmy server? Help! :)
      • jchw 3y ago
        That's kind of the thing about the fediverse: that's basically not possible. Any instance that doesn't engage in some blocking will probably be blocked for what it doesn't block. You could, of course, run your own instance, but obviously that's its own can of worms. So... It's tricky. edit: also, sites like joinmastodon USUALLY just completely exclude anything too controversial, for pretty obvious reasons. Dunno about join-lemmy but I'd bet on it.
        • Sophira 3y ago
          > Any instance that doesn't engage in some blocking will probably be blocked for what it doesn't block. So if I'm understanding correctly, it's a platform that encourages peer pressure and bullying? Or am I misunderstanding?
• randycupertino 3y ago
  > Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, This happened on the r/audible subreddit, the official audibledotcom customer service account became a mod and started deleting all the threads remotely critical of audible or amazon. The subreddit revolved and they were removed as a mod but it was a solid 5-months of nary a harsh word. If they ever kill off old.reddit I'm out, I can't stand the cartoony new reddit design.
  • tibanne 3y ago
    This ^^
  • psychphysic 3y ago
    Oooof I can totally see Disney buying the subreddit.
  • drumhead 3y ago
    The whole reason to Google Reddit results is for independent enthusiast opinions positive and especially negative. Corporatised subs are going to kill that dead for many things. Another nail in the coffin of Reddit. Love of money truly is the root of all evil.
    • lagolinguini 3y ago
      I think you’re right. The more I think about it the more I feel like Reddit to me is the comment section for thinks that either don’t have a comment section or have a bad comment section.
• rjvir 3y ago
  > Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. This isn't an accurate extrapolation. In fact it's extrapolating in the opposite direction. The moderators are taking a moral stand against an API policy. But the the actual users of the subreddits never consented to this moral stand. By removing these moderators that are working against the users, reddit is giving the subreddits back to the users.
  • deeviant 3y ago
    I mod a small sub that I started many years ago, the sub users expressed overwhelming support for the 2 day private protest. So I am interested in what numbers you are using to support your statement that users did not consent.
    • dingaling 3y ago
      "Overwhelming" as a proportion of all sub members? Or just as a majority of those who actually voted?
  • sofixa 3y ago
    Most subs did a poll to see what the users think, and for all those I've seen there has been overwhelming support for a blackout.
    • markmark 3y ago
      I think many people didn't see or care about those original polls. All the subs I'm in that re-polled their users after the initial 2 day shutdown are now open as a result. The two that have stayed shut have not re-polled (and one didn't poll in the first place, the mods just unilaterally shut it).
  • zztop44 3y ago
    Many, many subreddits held polls before deciding what to do. I know that kind of online poll is not scientific, or whatever but do you have a better idea? Not going on strike is also a moral stand that should get consent from the user base.
• safety1st 3y ago
  They are done, 100%, this is the turning point and it's all downhill from here. They depend fundamentally on volunteer labor and every decision they've made since announcing the API change has alienated that labor. The morale of every mod I know is in the tank. The solution for this was incredibly simple. Reddit you want to charge for the API? Go right ahead, we all want you to make money. But when the volunteer labor you need in order to function started complaining because this is going to kill the modding tools they need - you should have immediately, like next day, apologized for the oversight and promised free API credits to them until you sort this out. This whole conflict could have been nipped in the bud, people would have grumbled a bit, but as long as Reddit got their act together in terms of tooling eventually, life would have gone on, and Reddit would have had their payday too (I doubt milking mods for spare change is the master plan here). Instead Reddit decided to escalate. Declare war on the people who make their service possible. It was the dumbest possible move they could make for their business. The decision makers behind this must operate in one hell of an echo chamber. This is the end, it's all downhill from here, I doubt they can recover. Needless to say I'll avoid their IPO like the plague and so will many others. 10 years from now something else will have come along and replaced them and we'll all look back at this moment.
  • hef19898 3y ago
    Whatever the outcome of this si, an I never used Reddit, it seems to have been an incredibly dumb idea to do all of that before the IPO...
  • kitd 3y ago
    The threshold for free API usage for modding tools is being increased from 60 to 100 queries per minute https://mods.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/16693988535309 https://mods.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/16693988535309 There are a very small minority that exceed that even now apparently. Seems not unreasonable to me.
    • faeyanpiraat 3y ago
      Why is this downvoted? According to the linked article, even the bots which exceed the usage were manually whitelisted to stay free.
• olalonde 3y ago
  Facebook and Twitter are not bot ridden ghost towns... but anyways, I'll make the opposite prediction: Reddit is going to turn out just fine and this episode will quickly become a memory from the past.
  • photonerd 3y ago
    Twitter absolutely is. If it’s not bots, article spam, or ads, it’s the crazy MAGA-crowd jerking themselves off over their fake-outrage of the moment. It’s an absolute ghost town in terms of engaging, original, content. Their user numbers are obviously buoyed by absolute junk accounts and it’s been obviously so since Musk fired most of the company. FB is a boomer & genX meme-pocalypse that’s absolutely slathered with ads and most millennials & genZ seemingly using it as a glorified contacts list. It’s a shadow of what it was.
    • brabel 3y ago
      My impression on Twitter is completely different. It's been actually quite nice lately.
      • jquery 3y ago
        Yes, with "blocktheblue" installed it's easier than ever to block trolls on sight. Unfortunately some of the trolls are catching and choosing not to get "verified" by lord Elon.
    • catiopatio 3y ago
      Twitter seems perfectly healthy. I came back after years away. It sounds like you’d just grown used to the previous manufactured consensus.
      • lost_tourist 3y ago
        There are a LOT more MAGA "verified" troll bots on there on anything to do with politics. Why are MAGA people trolling on the Bernie Sanders feed for example? Anyway, it's okay if you only follow mostly "fact-based" accounts and don't bother with any political or news sources.
• Simulacra 3y ago
  I think Reddit is financially unstable and they are doing this to try to become like Facebook, etc. In other words, financially stable. It's a company, if people stop buying the product it will fold like any other company. Time will tell.
  • ummonk 3y ago
    When you’re a company relying on outsourcing moderation work to an army of unpaid moderators, it’s probably not a good idea to drive away said moderators. Especially when your customers (advertisers) really don’t like sites that allow bad content to slip through their moderation too much.
  • imiric 3y ago
    That would make sense if they wanted to emulate FB, which is questionable in itself, but how they're proceeding with these changes is completely killing the very thing that made them successful in the first place. It's as if the leadership was replaced with people who don't understand Reddit at all. It's a very dumb move, considering they had all the resources and power to do this right, and still increase their revenue. Now they will increase it momentarily, which will please shareholders, but eventually this will die down as people abandon the platform because it has become a shell of its former self.
    • TeMPOraL 3y ago
      > It's as if the leadership was replaced with people who don't understand Reddit at all. You're assuming they care, or ever cared. Maybe I'm getting too cynical, but I feel it's pretty clear Reddit leadership doesn't give a damn about Reddit the discussion/community site. For them, it's just a late-stage company that's been pumped and needs to be dumped. Where we see Reddit as its own unique artifact, they see it as just another money-producing asset, mature and ripe for harvest. They'll destroy it to cash out, as it has always been the plan - it's almost always the plan with startups in general - and find some other thing to repeat the process.
      • imiric 3y ago
• daniel-cussen 3y ago
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• hn_thrwn 3y ago
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  • photonerd 3y ago
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    • hn_thrwn 3y ago
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      • kamranjon 3y ago
        Does that mean you can't be an idiot?
  • sofixa 3y ago
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    • Dalewyn 3y ago
      I disagree with nazism, but if someone wants to preach nazism I will defend his right to say it.
    • hn_thrwn 3y ago
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      • input_sh 3y ago
        > and leaks it as a torrent either. Yet Aaron did just that. He didn't, that never happened. He was accused of intending to leak it, not of actually leaking it.
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• bsimpson 3y ago
  It's weird to see Aaron Swartz evoked as some sort of martyr vis a vis Reddit. (You're not the first person to do it.) As I understand, he basically lucked out when his thing crashed and YC asked Reddit to make him part of the founding team. Was he ever a significant part of Reddit?
  • posguy 3y ago
    Considering he was a major force driving the rewrite of Reddit from Lisp (the version that HN is based on currently) to Python, adding features like Markdown support (a language he helped create in 2002), Aaron defined major parts of the site that have persisted across multiple rewrites of Reddit's codebase.
    • apgwoz 3y ago
      Hacker News is written in arc. The first reddit was written in Common Lisp. clisp, specifically, I believe. Aaron convinced them to do it in his web.py and it was rewritten in a weekend (or so the story went). Later, it was written in Pylons and open sourced. No idea these days.
      • TeMPOraL 3y ago
        Ouch. Mixed character, that's for sure, but I guess no hero is perfect.
        • p_l 3y ago
          Well, their Common Lisp setup was hilariously broken, not by fault of the language IMO...
    • pdevr 3y ago
      The amazing part is (as far as I remember) that both were implemented[1] as single files[2][3]. [1] http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rewritingreddit http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rewritingreddit [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20060213215829/http://webpy.org/markdown.py https://web.archive.org/web/20060213215829/http://webpy.org/... [3] https://web.archive.org/web/20060106081029/http://webpy.org/web.py https://web.archive.org/web/20060106081029/http://webpy.org/...
• ssnistfajen 3y ago
  Baidu pioneered this exact same sellout strat decades ago. Sad to see Reddit going down the same despicable path.
• dclowd9901 3y ago
  Why do people keep bringing up Aaron Swartz around this? He was just an early developer for the site, not even part of its original creation.
• bushbaba 3y ago
  What would you rather they do, go bankrupt? Reddit is not profitable. They need a path to profitability to continue operating in a high rate environment.
  • sanderjd 3y ago
    I'm very sympathetic. Doesn't seem like alienating all the volunteer labor is the way to go though. Without much inside info, I think what they should have done is something like: 1. Make actually-good first-party tools for moderators, 2. Figure out how to monetize everything else. But trying to make money off of the volunteer labor is not the way to go, IMO. It really reminds me of Twitter. Why can't these super high traffic sites where all the content is contributed for free figure out how to make money?
  • KnobbleMcKnees 3y ago
    > What would you rather they do, go bankrupt? If they're unable to build a profitable product off of the existing foundations then, yes, I absolutely want them to fail. This is how capitalism works. > Reddit is not profitable. They need a path to profitability to continue operating in a high rate environment. They've had over a decade to innovate their way to success just like every other tech company of that era. From a business standpoint, they are an abject failure and don't deserve to exist if they can't hire people smart enough to monetize without alienating the entire user base.
  • wildrhythms 3y ago
    Seeing as Reddit is already in the top visited sites in the US by many metrics [1] I find it somewhat hard to believe that they can't find a way to better monetize than astronomically increasing its API access. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_visited_websites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_visited_websites
• drumhead 3y ago
  This makes good sense sadly. I suspect even fan run alternative subs will be banned out of existence for spurious reasons. It's the 80:20 principle, as long as they can keep the big subs that drive the traffic open they won't care if the smaller ones have little or no moderation.
• princevegeta89 3y ago
  So much user-generated content going to waste. Idiots at Reddit forgot who was responsible for everything that is in place today, and they forgot the unrewarded work and countless hours of time the moderators and everyone else put in. This is going to be an upside down tumble, and we all know what happened to Tumblr.
• cookiengineer 3y ago
  > Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. They have to be platinum ad partners in order to get their subs, of course. Just like how yelp extorts companies for reviews, reddit now extorts companies for comments.
  • TeMPOraL 3y ago
    That would be a dangerous game to play with Disney or Paramount/CBS. I'd sooner assume that /r/starwars and /r/startrek serve at the pleasure of their respective IP holders, and I don't believe Reddit has pockets deep enough to challenge either of them. I mean, Star Trek fans are used to seeing every interesting creative fan project shut down by a C&D letter - and as for Star Wars, everyone knows you don't go up against the House of the Mouse.
• grose 3y ago
  Did Reddit forget why they were popular in the first place? Remember the Digg redesign? Seems like every Reddit update has been user-hostile in a way that was much worse than the Digg stuff.
  • maxerickson 3y ago
    Being popular isn't their primary goal. (I'm not saying I like the changes or think they are good, I'm just saying that you aren't analyzing their motivations if you focus on popularity)
    • grose 3y ago
      Very true, I've seen the same phenomenon at other startups firsthand, when business leaders are eager to burn unlimited amounts of user goodwill to make number go up.
  • rchaud 3y ago
    Being popular used to pay the bills, in the form of VC financing. The jig is up, now they need to make actual money.
• luckystarr 3y ago
  As far as I've heard, r/startrek already started their own instance at https://startrek.website https://startrek.website and indicated they will close their sub for good. This may be the first major sub to be handed over. Paramount may then even sue startrek.website for IP infringement, etc. I'm re-stocking my strategic popcorn reserves.
  • TeMPOraL 3y ago
    Oh, and /r/DaystromInstitute moved there too. I guess I'll have to check this Lemmy thing out - that subreddit was more than 50% of what kept me logged in to Reddit in the first place.
  • pjerem 3y ago
    That they did that and that their community followed is super cool ! It shows that the decentralized web isn’t dead and is a viable solution.
    • themoonisachees 3y ago
      Well, startrek fans already have the built-in knowledge of how federation works so I guess that might have been easier than other communities.
  • jug 3y ago
    Yep, instantly followed them from lemmy.world. :) Someone joked that it's natural for Star Trek to join the Federation early.
  • angrydev 3y ago
    Interesting that the stickied post on https://startrek.website https://startrek.website mentions they have a Patreon setup to help with hosting costs. > We’ve started a Patreon here: Patreon.com/treksite. There’s only one plan and it’s just $4. If our growth continues like it has, we’re going to need to upgrade our hosting very soon. $4 is not outside of the realm of what it might have cost a regular user to continue paying for one of these 3rd party Reddit Apps on the new pricing [1]. There are clear benefits to paying your own way: owning your data, stronger community identity; when boiling down to money alone I found it an interesting comparison, since that's what this whole situation started about. However it is certainly no longer just about the money at this point after public comments made by Reddit Corp. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/31/23743993/reddit-apollo-client-api-cost https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/31/23743993/reddit-apollo-cl...
• codebolt 3y ago
  This is giving me flashbacks to when Digg.com committed a similar suicide, which was a major part of Reddit's growth back in the day.
• irthomasthomas 3y ago
  And now we get to the real reason for their bizarre behaviour. They want to push ordinary mods off the platform to be replaced by their own drones. You can tell which subs are modded by shills by who broke the strike. Like r/worldnews that was modded by Ghislaine Maxwell right up until the day she was incarcerated. https://www.reddit.com/user/maxwellhill/ https://www.reddit.com/user/maxwellhill/
  • zzbzq 3y ago
    They could just do that anyway, (and I'm pretty sure selling influence is actually one of the things these protesting careerist mods do, just with more steps) the "real reason" is the API is generating less revenue than what it replaces, no big conspiracy
    • irthomasthomas 3y ago
      If that where true, they would have replied to those Devs who accepted the new API pricing. Instead, they ignored them for at least 2 out of the 4 weeks notice they gave.
• ExoticPearTree 3y ago
  Unless we'll find a way to have neutral sites that can run a discussion forum such as Reddit and others, this problem will be recurring. Say Reddit goes under, there will be another company looking to fill the vacuum. It will play nice for a year or two until they have the majority of the market and then become an asshole company looking to censor whatever they don't like and become hated just like the company they displaced. Somehow I think people lose their minds when they feel like they have any sorts of power over others...
• comprev 3y ago
  The selling off of communities _dedicated_ to IP (Disney is an excellent example you give) is a genius move imho, and perhaps was part of the strategy for going IPO. Not only does Reddit slurp up more user data via official Apps, they have revenue from the IP owners. They have the deep pockets to employ mods to keep the place clean, especially now 3rd party Mod tools are permitted - it's just the direct user-experience tools/apps which are kicked out. I would bet the _vast_ majority of consumers don't really care about the blackouts/API changes. They just want to catch up on the latest F1 news, recent movie trailers or whatever their hobby.
• irthomasthomas 3y ago
  According to this admin they will use rules 4 (inactive moderation) and 2 (vandalism) to drive out the mods. https://np.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/14a5lz5/mod_code_of_conduct_rule_4_2_and_subs_taken/jo9wdol/ https://np.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/14a5lz5/mod_code... Therefore, if mods want to retain their position, they need to poll their users for support, and then reopen the sub in a very limited capacity that continues the spirit of the protest while obeying the rules. I.e. mods are free to run the subs as they like, so they could limit posting to users with > X karma, or > Y account age. As long as the community agrees, it can't be considered vandalism.
• bkillington 3y ago
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• waiyan13 3y ago
  And /u/spez also knew it too. They are going to kill the goose for IPO. Then leave.
• prawn 3y ago
  I assume they can’t have employees as mods without risking legal responsibility (S230, etc)?
• hparadiz 3y ago
  old.reddit.com is the only way that I can use reddit. I tried the new interface and it's just so bad. The change isn't subtle either. It's like using a completely different site.
• amadeuspagel 3y ago
  Facebook — a sinking ship with more people getting on then off: https://www.statista.com/statistics/346167/facebook-global-dau/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/346167/facebook-global-d...
• Varqu 3y ago
  This CEO should be removed, not the moderators.
  • anticensor 3y ago
    That would require Reddit to voluntarily go out of business, and most companies do not do that.
• raxxorraxor 3y ago
  Ironically when the problems with bots allegedly writing unfavorable opinions came up, bots were quite a rare occurrence. When I look at some of the defaults now, it reads like the simplest AI generated flavor text that is tuned to the ever same topics. Brain dead market research output without any information. You really notice this if you compare it to more specialized subs. Even if they are very active with thousands of users, the style of communication is different. It isn't trivial to detect bots, but I think some particular subs might be very infested. Another reason to perhaps scrap API access before someone takes a closer look. This strategy of decline seems to be inevitable. When they distanced themselves from Swartz and did away with their principles to satisfy some other interests, it was the start of some form of decline, even if the official business numbers look different. There are business numbers that show an increase in usage, but as a user you cannot feel that at all. On the contrary, it feels like it is moving in a different direction. Perhaps they changed their budgeting somehow to boost their revenue... Or some really rich clients bought a massive amount of reddit goodies.
• dbbk 3y ago
  They have actually flirted with this idea. The Love Island subreddit last year was co-moderated by both volunteers and the show's social media team. But that didn't continue this year.
• BiteCode_dev 3y ago
  It's amazing that after 20 years of this, people hasn't yet learned that: - Corporations are not your friends. - Things changes. - What you put there is their property. - Your free work is their money.
• YLYvYkHeB2NRNT 3y ago
  It's digg 3.0
• PM_me_your_math 3y ago
  Good. Let it burn. It couldn't happen to a more deserving team of sociopaths.
• philistine 3y ago
  r/StarTrek is already surreptitiously controlled by Viacom. Any negativity is immediately shut down. If you want to be critical of Star Trek, you have to rub shoulders with people who got banned from r/startrek because their criticism was that there was too many black people in the new shows. It’s disgusting.
  • zeroego 3y ago
    This hasn't been true in my experience. People were very critical of Picard season 2 and the whole of Discovery. I posted criticisms myself and never got banned.
• yanderekko 3y ago
  >Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. This is obviously not going to happen, and insinuations to the contrary are just sour grapes. The fact that this could even be upvoted speaks poorly to the Redditization of HN. >Aaron Swartz is rolling in his grave. He has been for years. These same powermods have been at the forefront of demanding changes that undermined his vision.
• chwa982 3y ago
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