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iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive

219 points by mihau 3y ago

ikekkdcjkfke 3y ago
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- DANmode 3y ago
  This is a low information comment. Could you update it?
koolba 3y ago
> NameDrop allows users to easily share contact information by simply bringing their iPhone devices together. Bump lives!
- spitfire 3y ago
  So like the palmpilot had in the 1990's.. Cool. But i'm so over people recycling old ideas and pretending they're new.
  - skellera 3y ago
    If they work better now (maybe limitations in the past like transfer speeds), what’s the problem?
  - solarmist 3y ago
    No ones pretending they’re new. Apple doesn’t do new hotness. It finds experimental tech and if it can make it great then it’ll grab it. It’s always at a minimum 5 years behind new developments. As you point out sometimes decades. I consider that their greatest strength though. Taking something with potential and starting to realize that potential.
  - wilg 3y ago
    Technically no, the PalmPilot didn't use NFC and required fussy button presses and pointing so it's a much better implementation.
- londons_explore 3y ago
  Didn't Android have this in circa 2013?
  - EscapeFromNY 3y ago
    Yes, but Apple's version has a fancy swooshing animation
  - jeroenhd 3y ago
    2011, actually: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Beam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Beam
    - Jtsummers 3y ago
      Bump predated that and was available on both iPhone and Android which is what the OP in this thread was almost certainly referring to since that's the app they named.
      - rektide 3y ago
        And easily one of the most enjoyable computing experiences out there. Very physical. And cooperative multi-player by nature. Many great things here. I wish Web NFC had a publish mode where we could web hack something like this.
    - mholt 3y ago
      I still wish for this on almost a daily basis. Maybe Android still has it, but no one uses it anymore except me :(
      - londons_explore 3y ago
        It isn't enabled on android by default anymore. Which means the "bump to see this video" turns into "hang on, go into settings and hunt for nearby share, probably hidden in the 'Other' menu..."
      - jeroenhd 3y ago
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  Looks like Android Beam has finally been ported to iOS after Android removed it because nobody ever used it.
  - dijit 3y ago
    Apples innovations are often in making things that other people have tried before and making them polished and usable. So, despite it being failed in Android; it'll probably work well in Apples ecosystem. -- Apples true innovations (3D touch for example) have a much higher chance of not being used and going away.
    - marpstar 3y ago
      That and the fact that there is one version of iOS, and Android has traditionally been very fragmented. Without widespread availability from "day one", these things just don't catch on. See also: the resurgence of QR codes post iOS 11...
      - hammyhavoc 3y ago
        Isn't there now iPad OS?
    - Turing_Machine 3y ago
      Yes. Apple rarely makes the first $THING, but they often make the first $THING that doesn't suck.
    - meatmanek 3y ago
      Do you mean multitouch? 3D touch went away with the iPhone 11, and I'm still salty about it. The hold-spacebar-to-move-cursor thing is just ever so slightly less efficient than the previous force-touch-anywhere-on-keyboard-to-move-cursor. (But I get why they removed it -- that was pretty much the only good actual use of 3d touch. Elsewhere in the iOS UI, it just made things more complicated, and I was constantly accidentally force-touching things instead of long-pressing them, etc. Probably not worth the added hardware costs.)
- yieldcrv 3y ago
  Dot cards dies! along with every NFC business card
- faitswulff 3y ago
  I would love to see this feature implemented for Vision Pro
  - high_priest 3y ago
    Kiss to prove you trust the other person['s personal higene]
  - high_priest 3y ago
    Kiss to prove you trust the other person('s personal higene)
- jbverschoor 3y ago
  Maybe the patent expired and Apple didn't want to share the number of devices sold?
FollowingTheDao 3y ago
This part of the presentation reallllly bothered me. What a bunch of time wasting nothings and filled with establishing your "brand" and ego. Sorry, but I do not want to see someone's Self advertising everytime I get a phone call. You know this will be used to show you ads when companies call, right? You think this will not be monetized?
- pat2man 3y ago
  I mean its Apple, this is probably limited to your address book.
  - FollowingTheDao 3y ago
    No, it's not. It will apply to strangers as well. https://gizmodo.com/best-ios-17-features-iphone-apple-wwdc-2023-1850506161 https://gizmodo.com/best-ios-17-features-iphone-apple-wwdc-2... Although it’s the least used app for many of us, with iOS 17, the Phone app will be upgraded with a feature Apple is calling “Personalized Contact Posters” so instead of just your name and number showing up on the iPhone of someone you’re calling, they’ll see a customized image (or memoji) and **text of your choosing which could help persuade them into answering your call***. Apple also promises the Contact Posters will “also be available for third-party calling apps.”
    - jeroenhd 3y ago
      Wait, so this is for strangers too? That seems rather ill-advised. I suppose it's a way to make people buy iPhones so they don't get ignored by other iPhone users because of the missing picture? Now the scam callers will not only be able to spoof the FBI's phone number, but show a badge and a threatening full screen message too!
      - rootusrootus 3y ago
        > Now the scam callers will not only be able to spoof the FBI's phone number, but show a badge and a threatening full screen message too! Do they do that now with iPhones? It seems like the requirement to be using an Apple account would significantly hinder the scammers.
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no_time 3y ago
ctrl+f "sideloading" -> 0 results With this in mind, does anyone care?
- dymk 3y ago
  I'm sure dozens, maybe even hundreds, of people care
  - kyrra 3y ago
    I'd say it's more, with the EU Digital Markets Act.
    - dymk 3y ago
      EU lawmakers, famously known for being the pinnacle of The Will of the People
- velcrovan 3y ago
  Most people don’t care about sideloading.
  - neilalexander 3y ago
    I care about it, but I also understand that hell will freeze over before Apple stand up on the stage in front of their worldwide developer community and tell them that the Apple Store fees and the Apple Developer subscription cost aren't necessary after all. If they do allow side-loading for legal compliance, it's practically guaranteed that the option to switch it on will be slid into a minor-point release in a difficult-to-find menu with no fanfare whatsoever. It makes no sense for them to advertise the capability and I would be surprised if it even makes it into the release notes.
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  Not much of a surprise. Apple won't introduce installing downloaded apps unless they're forced, and the EU law that'll force them to enable external sources won't be enforced until next year.
hammock 3y ago
>AirTag can be shared with up to five other people >Reminders features a grocery list that automatically groups added items into categories to make shopping easier. That's cool
- AndrewStephens 3y ago
  Finally! AirTags are great but linking them to a single user was a significant limitation.
  - steve_adams_86 3y ago
    I feel like way too many of my notifications are iOS letting me know I'm being tracked by AirTags belonging to people I know. It'll be so nice to clear those out.
  - culopatin 3y ago
    If they could only apply this concept to an iPad…
- themadturk 3y ago
  I really want to see decent grocery shopping features in Reminders. I'm using Grocery right now, which uses Reminders but has continual problems talking between my Watch and My Phone and has way more features than I need...but it's still (in my experience) the best shopping list app out there.
TheSoftwareGuy 3y ago
Some of the smaller updates will be a nice QOL bump for me: > For easier and more secure password and passkeys sharing, users can share passwords with a group of trusted contacts. Everyone in the group can add and edit passwords to keep them up to date. Since sharing is through iCloud Keychain, it’s end-to-end encrypted. >Maps adds offline maps, so users can download a specific area and access turn-by-turn navigation, see their estimated time of arrival, find places in Maps, and more while offline. Maps also makes it easier than ever to discover thousands of trails in parks across the United States, and supports electric vehicle drivers with real-time charging availability information. >AirTag can be shared with up to five other people, allowing friends and family to keep track of an item in Find My. Everyone in a group will be able to see an item’s location, play a sound, and use Precision Finding to help pinpoint the location of a shared AirTag when nearby. This also works with all other Find My network accessories.
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- rootusrootus 3y ago
  Shared passwords/passkeys comes pretty close to eliminating my need for a 1Password subscription. But it kinda depends on what other login-associated details Apple lets you put together with the password.
  - graftak 3y ago
    ProBably TOTP and a comment entry field (that I use for recovery codes).
- throw0101c 3y ago
  > For easier and more secure password and passkeys sharing […] Note there is a IETF draft for credential transfers: * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-secure-credential-transfer/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-secure-credential-tra... Apple and Alphabet/Google as authors.
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dymk 3y ago
> AirTag can be shared with up to five other people, allowing friends and family to keep track of an item in Find My. awesome
- robnado 3y ago
  Finally! We bought an AirTag to put on the dog, and it was disappointing that only one of us could see it. Hopefully, they also solve the issue with it beeping randomly to alert of tracking so that it doesn't beep when it's with anyone in the family.
huhtenberg 3y ago
... and this all but completes transition from Jobs' Apple of "we know what's good for you" to non-Jobs' Apple of "the more the merrier, let's just stuff it with all we have". The pattern is repeating except now there's no Steve to take the company back and smack some opinionated design sense into it.
MrBuddyCasino 3y ago
> easier sharing with AirDrop it works now? also if they could fix mobile hotspot, that’d be great
- gonehome 3y ago
  Yeah, I have a 50% success rate with airdrop on anything large enough that I want to use airdrop because of it. It barely works.
  - alanbernstein 3y ago
    That's funny. I've never had it fail.
    - gonehome 3y ago
      Usually it appears and I click it gets stuck waiting, it never appears on the other device to be accepted, or something like that. Sometimes the other device never appears despite having proper settings configured. Usually I’m trying to move a large video file.
      - SkyPuncher 3y ago
        We just had this happen tonight. Even worse is it seems to silently get stuck. It’s hard to get it back to a blessed state.
      - MrBuddyCasino 3y ago
        Same, except the size of the file doesn’t matter. I just message myself on Telegram now.
- gruez 3y ago
  It works 90% of the time for me if use it in "discoverable" mode and disable wifi first.
anhner 3y ago
> Improvements to Autocorrect and Dictation Deliver More Intelligent Input Yet I bet they still won't add any additional languages for the swipe gesture, or allow multiple language predictions...
- swasheck 3y ago
  autocorrect and the swipe keyboard on ios has gotten progressively worse with each release, to the degree that i've reverted to typing with my thumbs because it's faster. additional languages seems like a bridge too far right now
  - OkGoDoIt 3y ago
    They claim this new version has a fancy transformer-based text production model. Assuming that same engine powers swipe prediction, we might finally see an improvement here. Here’s to hoping. Voice dictation has also gotten worse over the past couple of years, I’m very excited that they claim they’ve got a new transformer-based architecture that works a lot better now. These two features alone might dramatically improve my quality of life using iOS. Android from a decade ago was better at text entry than iOS is currently.
    - D13Fd 3y ago
      This is so weird to me. I use both every day and they seem totally fine. It even picked up my child’s unique nickname (even though spellcheck still flags it)
  - deepspace 3y ago
    I would be happy if the stupid thing stopped capitalizing every occurrence of "and", and stopped replacing "is" with "I'd". Those two alone turn swype-typing from a convenience into a frustrating slog.
- el_benhameen 3y ago
  Don’t worry, the swipe keyboard on ios is so atrociously bad that you aren’t missing much.
jmyeet 3y ago
I am beginning to dread every new iOS version as they seem to just make it worse and worse as times goes on. Examples: 1. Copy and Paste. When first introduced, it was great. You got a magnifying glass to be precise. It basically just worked. Yet somehow they kept changing it and every change makes it less usable. Currently, you can't really place the cursor at the end of a line (seriously, go into iMessage and try it). It's trying way too hard to snap to where it thinks you want the cursor. The only way to get this is to put it at the beginning of the next line and delete back. Pressing on a word brings up the "select" menu instead of just placing the cursor half the time. 2. Safari tab groups. I liked the old version where you toggled between tabs and private. But now you have to go through an extra step: selecting a tab group. Some people may want this. I'm not one of them. There is absolutely no way to opt out of this. 3. On an iPad hitting the top center of Safari brings up some split screen functionality that I have never used, don't care about and don't want. It's a natural place to press to go to the top of the page so this happens all the time. Please just stop with this, Apple.
- andelink 3y ago
  I don't have the same problems in #1 that you do (copy/paste + selection). Only mentioning this because you say to go try it, and I did just these things prior to reading your comment. Also, if you aren't aware of long pressing / holding the space bar to navigate, it's very useful.
  - ant6n 3y ago
    I cant figure out how to paste something in many contexts without a long press, which will select text - so the paste will replace that text. So if i want to insert something, I will write a couple of chars of garbage, long-press-select, then paste-replace. iOS strangely is full of these little hickups, it sometimes feels like back in Windows. (Also the auto correct is so annoyingly dumb and broken)
    - andelink 3y ago
      I do a light tap to bring up the copy/paste options. Long-press activates the navigation mode to drag the cursor.
user6723 3y ago
What would make the iPhone personal and intuitive for me is an easy way to load apps without going through the app store.
- jdiez17 3y ago
  This is rumoured to be possible with iOS 17 [1]. They just didn't announce it explicitly. [1] if you are in the EU :^)
- gnicholas 3y ago
  I'd love to be able to update apps without going to the App Store. Just long-hold an app and have an update option, or at least a "see update in App Store" option. Most of the time I go to the App Store, I have to wait for it to load a bunch of ads, then click search, then type the app, then hit update.
  - sharatvir 3y ago
    I believe all iOS apps get updated automatically based on apples app rollout process. But you can still go do it via the App Store using fewer steps. Just click on your profile pic (top right) and you should see all available app updates.
    - gnicholas 3y ago
      I have auto updates turned off. I realize I can go into the update area and pick apps to update, but if I'm looking to update a specific one, it's usually faster to search and update that way.
k8sToGo 3y ago
I’m quite excited about the autocorrect improvements. However my expectations remain low.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
  It is incredible how poor the correction is on a regular basis. What’s most frustrating when you correct the correction and Apple will redo it yet again.
  - SkyPuncher 3y ago
    They really need a better way to gesture in-word that tells iOS “I know this word is going to be Miss-corrected, don’t even try”
- jamilton 3y ago
  My expectations are low too. I haven't had any major negative experiences with iOS autocorrect in years, so it's seems likely that that'll be a downgrade for me.
- sen 3y ago
  It still refuses to let me swear. Ever. No matter how often I correct it. As an Australian I find that really ducking ridiculous and an afront to my national bloody identity.
  - robertoandred 3y ago
    They called this out specifically in the keynote as something they've fixed.
  - kevincrane 3y ago
    As someone else said, they mentioned that swearing is finally coming to autocorrect during the keynote. But if you want a fix faster than that (janky as this fix is), go to Settings > General > Keyboard > Text Replacement. Write down each swear you want and then write the same word for what it should be replaced with. So write “fucking” and “fucking” in the two boxes, and then iOS will know that “fucking” is a word it should look out for and it’ll recognize it for both autocorrect and swipe typing. Very stupid fix but a stupid fix is still a fix.
avinoth 3y ago
Excited for the journal app! I was always uncomfortable trusting any of the existing apps and inevitably censor or give up writing my thoughts. I’ve even tried building several (4(!)) journaling apps in the past and it’s still an unsolved problem for me. Right now i use a mix of obsidian and a self built journal app but that obviously has some drawbacks on its own. Microjournaling, photo context and able to share (along with local e2e) are on top of my list. Looks like it solves many of it.
- FollowingTheDao 3y ago
  > I was always uncomfortable trusting any of the existing apps I still cannot understand why people are so trusting of things they put on their phone. It is so much easier for anyone to get into your phone as opposed to your house or a safe in your house. You all are giving so much up just for this convenience, which will one day become inconvenient.
  - syspec 3y ago
    Probably because I've had my house broken into, but I've never had my data stolen off of my phone. Even when I have lost my phone, no one has been able to take anything out.
    - FollowingTheDao 3y ago
      > I've never had my data stolen off of my phone How would you know? In fact, you do not know this for certain. It is just wishful thinking. Marketing.
      - derefr 3y ago
        You seem to be conflating exfiltrating data from cloud services that the phone syncs with (which many state actors probably do en masse), with exfiltrating data held only on the device itself (which is something that you'd only expect from people who actively care about your data, e.g. police looking for evidence after you've been arrested, criminal gangs who want your crypto-wallet keys, etc.) Modern phones are pretty good at stopping the latter class of attack; this is self-evident from the fact that this type of attacker is looking for specific things in order to use them in a timely manner (use the evidence against you at trial; drain your crypto wallet to spend the funds themselves before you can move the funds elsewhere), and yet we rarely see people reporting that someone made use of their exfiltrated data in this way. PCs are much more vulnerable to this type of attack. There are tons of computer viruses that steal your crypto wallet.
chankstein38 3y ago
This is awesome! I'm excited to see the update! I wish there had been an update to the camera though. It's great I just use it a lot and would love to see how they improved pieces of it!
- OkGoDoIt 3y ago
  Usually they announce camera updates at the September event when they announce new iPhones and other products. Today was about software and operating systems and developer platforms. Some hardware, but the bulk of hardware announcements come in a few months.
- MBCook 3y ago
  WWDC is software, and sometimes new platforms (headset) or Macs. New iPhone models and their changes, like the camera, will be held until the iPhone event that is traditionally in September. That event often contains more iOS 17 features that they didn’t want to mention today for strategic reasons (might give away hardware changes).
rektide 3y ago
Apple blew me away with what they are doing for personal communication. Everything else felt like a refinement or new product trial balloon. But what Apple is doing to make mini-creators out of people here is jaw dropping. I'd go so far to half-jest VisionPro launch was pushed up to smokescreen how big the iMessage changes are, what ecosystem dominance Apple is getting with iOS/MacOS. Apple is never going to participate with anyone else ever, after this. Apple is off executing incredible big advancements. Users create a little avatar that shows up across products, with some solid flare & artistic effect gratis. Great first impression building, lots of enduring personality. But the day to day is wow. Being able to positionally drag drop emoji into group chat is huge flair from the start. Drop in locations easily, nice, useful. Creating custom emoji really really impressed me, really let's folks develop repetoir & humor in their interactions with each other over time. ActivityPub/Mastadon impl MissKey has a very barebones custom emoji that I like, but the authorship tools here look really really friendly & helpful to really DIY, to go beyond being a meme bank. Other communications tech touches were everywhere. Live Voicemail live transcribing is dead simple & sensible, albeit receive only. Shared CarPlay Sessions is tech Google has in Cast/Android but which no one uses (including YouTube Music): hugely prosocial connected computing. Journaling is incredibly compelling as a synthesis tool, a way to pull together a variety of computing bits & encourage user content generation, to make a shared computing space around the user. Apple also situated into the home far better than Google. Android's widgets have been stagnant for years & crude, and Apple has gone from having nothing to relentlessly driving forward with microexperiences atop shared computing spaces. These ideas, of shared computing spaces, and shared interpersonal spaces, are massively on display here in a way no one else is computing is showing off, and it's incredibly compelling to me. And scary, as it's so purely Apple's space; the world needs some principled loyal opposition to the Cupertino Way, that keeps the path of computing available for open innovation.
- ChrisArchitect 3y ago
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  - rektide 3y ago
    What do you think? Why? I think I stated my reasoning here throughout. Two major themes, platform control & shared computing/social spaces, seem evident to me, we're such strong & rich themes. Doesn't seem to be working for anyone else though, woe. Getting hammered on three fronts: Apple fan boys that hate my platform dominion messages, Apple haters that hate to hear how well Apple is executing, and people who accuse me of being a chatgtp. I assure you I have the bonafieds to prove this is me at my regular. I wish people didn't have such nasty trigger fingers.
solarkraft 3y ago
Yet the biggest feature will (hopefully) be Digital Markets Act compliance.
- OkGoDoIt 3y ago
  I was half expecting them to announce that with a flourish like it was some big innovation they came up with on their own.
  - iLoveOncall 3y ago
    I expect no announcement at all. I think they will try to make this as quite as possible so that nobody is aware.
- jdiez17 3y ago
  That was the main thing I was looking for as well. They could have either owned it or what seems more likely, they will flip a flag for EU users in a few months.
  - Rebelgecko 3y ago
    IIRC the deadline is in July, and they have to be DMA compliant for non-EU users' data too
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- MBCook 3y ago
  I can’t see them ever announcing that in a keynote. I don’t think it’s a feature that most users are asking for or would make them want to switch to the platform. I’m not denying it’s good for users, just that I don’t think it would be good for what is (highly) a marketing presentation for them at this point. I would expect that to be talked about in the developer state of the union this afternoon, or perhaps not even at all at this point.
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seaghost 3y ago
Most of these features could be pushed as an app update, but here we are.
- TheJoeMan 3y ago
  I believe the core apps have so much tech debt / tentacles throughout the OS that sadly they will never get to having say Messages update from the App Store. For example, the new Messages can pop up Photos overlay to generate a sticker. This would need to be an API to see if you have the latest Photos app with the sticker capability.
  - bunga-bunga 3y ago
    Maybe, but for Apple yearly releases are just free PR. It wouldn’t be terribly difficult to write “if photos.app doesn’t have getStickerablePhotos API, tell user to update”
temptemptemp111 3y ago
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hfkwer 3y ago
Is this an advertisement?
cheschire 3y ago
iPhone XS or later… I guess the iPhone 8 and the X are losing support now or did I interpret this wrong?
- dangus 3y ago
  You are correct.
- MuffinFlavored 3y ago
  Sep 12, 2017 — Apple announces iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus, featuring a new glass and aluminum design, Retina HD displays, A11 Bionic chip and wireless ... Sep 12, 2017 — “iPhone X is the future of the smartphone. It is packed with incredible new technologies, like the innovative TrueDepth camera system, beautiful ... 6 year old phone
  - elboru 3y ago
    6 years old and it still performs pretty well, I’m really sensitive to slow tech but I don’t have major complains with my iPhone X in 2023. This is the longest I’ve ever owned a phone definitely buying the 15.
- twobitshifter 3y ago
  Really? My X is still 100% fine for me. I used my friends new 14 the other day and didn’t notice any difference besides it being larger and thicker.
imafish 3y ago
Every time a UI update is pushed for the calling and messaging interface, there is a group of seniors that no longer know how to call or message family and friends.
- neilalexander 3y ago
  Neither the phone nor the messaging interfaces have changed significantly. In fact the main day-to-day interactive elements are completely unchanged.
kylehotchkiss 3y ago
Can you download zoomed-out maps of the flight you're on? I always like to try to put the phone up against the window to see where you actually are (the maps on airplanes IFE are comically out of scale and hard to read with a 4inch poorly rotating airplane icon overlaid on them)
- dan-robertson 3y ago
  I don’t know about the receivers in phones but my understanding of gps is that it’s actually very slow to initialise if you don’t already have a rough idea of where you are. Roughly, I think you try to guess where you are and do some dsp work that will successfully separate signal from noise if you guessed correctly. You do this first for the ‘coarse navigation signal’ and again for the fine one. I think there are ways to improve it, eg testing multiple locations in parallel but I don’t know how much phones do those vs having good guesses (nearby cell towers, Wi-Fi, flights in your calendar can all be relevant signals to start with good guesses).
- robbiep 3y ago
  I generally don’t have any problem doing this on Google maps on my domestic Australian flights, in fact I almost always do it - great to see what’s underneath me and just how fucking much nothing there is. Although the Qantas map when I’m flying on a plane with IFE does a pretty good job as well
dustyharddrive 3y ago
I wish we had more details on this (https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-17-preview/ https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-17-preview/): > The expanded Lockdown Mode increases security to help protect against sophisticated cyber attacks. No support article updates or mentions in the Platforms State of the Union.
- dustyharddrive 3y ago
  Found this in a press release (https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/06/apple-announces-powerful-new-privacy-and-security-features/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/06/apple-announces-power...): > New protections encompass safer wireless connectivity defaults, media handling, media sharing defaults, sandboxing, and network security optimizations. Hopefully a session will cover the details.
eiiot 3y ago
> Autofill verification codes received in Mail > Download maps to use offline > Turn your iPhone on its side while charging to make it even more useful when you set it down. > Share AirTag or Find My network accessories with up to five other people. I've seen a lot of people complaining about this release, but honestly, it seems like they took the time to address a lot of the little things that were wrong with previous (larger) releases. No complaints here, other than the fact that there's still no spotify-like control for apple music :/
dahwolf 3y ago
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only that has used iOS for 10 years now but don't actually use it. As in, less than 1% of it. I read about new features all the time but none sticks.
crossroadsguy 3y ago
I have been patiently waiting for a feature for versions but now I don't think they are going to do it - ability to control the notification (alert/ringing) settings of both the SIMs separately. I mean how dense or arrogant people at Apple have to be grok that by design if someone is using two different SIMs on a phone the use cases and needs might be different. Android has given this feature since a century by now. Or I think it's just their incompetence. Seeing how Apple is at software I won't put past them that they might have implemented this whole thing in such a way that just adding this feature might mean a major rewrite. I mean for heaven's sake I might have a SIM that attracts a lot of spam call/etc and I might just want to keep it perpetually on silent or sometimes silent - yeah just silent not entirely disable it (but just that SIM, not my other important SIM). By the way they have mentioned filtering on the Messages app based on SIM but even their they have not mentioned anything about notifications. Yup they mentioned it twice (at least to me it seems the same): > Dual SIM message filtering > Filter conversations in Messages by individual SIM. and then right next to it: >SIM-based filtering >Messages now allows users with a dual SIM iPhone to filter messages based on their SIMs. So maybe I will still not be using the dual SIM of the dual SIM phone. How many years will it take it to get to Apple's head that these are two different SIMs!
- aikinai 3y ago
  I haven't installed the beta yet so don't know details, but I saw a mention on Reddit that you can now have two different ringtones at least.
  - crossroadsguy 3y ago
    Well that honestly is a relief. I will see if I can set a muted ringtone Though I seriously doubt Apple will allow someone to set a custom ringtone. I haven’t checked it.
armatav 3y ago
I wonder how they train that image filter at the bottom thinking emoji
rektide 3y ago
Apple has really masterminded a new era in personal & interpersonal computing here. There's a couple tactics backing this overarching strategy, that all reinforce each other well. They have really pushed communications technology massively forward, which semi-coincidentally is one of their biggest & most effective moats. Another tactic that I thing is strongly helping them forward is in combining experiences & systems together. The personalization starts super-visibly. Folks create their own contact "Posters" now, with the help of a nice flair-generator, that are highly visible across systems, such as the improved AirDrop, NameDrop. Personalization also is intrinsic too: Journal app could be incredibly interesting, as it seems to sort of assisted scrapbooker that pulls & clips your data & information as you open the journal, makes your journal more multimedia & characterful. Personalization also is much more on display, now with StandBy, which cements your personality ambiently with an always-on display. Users can configure widgets & photos to provide a little information portal. The variety of widgets & configurability of the system seems like a class far beyond what Nest Hub and Pixel Tablet have, which feel like sterile consumer applications, rather than something of & for the user. Groupware is where the real story is though. There's low hanging easy fruit, like Live Voicemail transcriptionsl; ingest only but a great adjustment to "workflow" we all deal with. AppleTV being able to work with the phone to do FaceTime gets them a much more respectable video position, oh and folks can now leave videomessages - so personal! AirPlay sharing does what Google Cast can do but none of their apps do do, letting people join & collaborate together while doing ubiquotous/pervasive computing... remember the Nexus Q? Apple shipped it. Youtube Music by compare still doesn't have a good shared/collaborative experience. Groupware keeps going and going today. CheckIn provides an incredibly useful way for trusted folks to be e-keepers for each other in the world. The "Bump" like contact sharing looks great & leverages that customization, and AirDrop being internet connected is a huge win. AirTags and browser passwords are both shareable with others. Notes is collaborative, and has FaceTime integration. Groupware radically evolved today on a lot of fronts. By far the biggest changes in WWDC for me though were in iMessaging. Everything I've said so far is amazing & great adjustments, but iMessages is the crown jewel of Apple's world & it's never been on display like today. Apple is the social network overlord already, and they've really amped their game up incredibly. There's some really simple but powerful additions like being able to drop in locations, or again like with voicemail see live transcriptions of audio messages. CheckIn is integrated. These are more interesting & alive shared space Apple is creating, owning themselves, atop their already strong iMessage apps integrations. QoL is high, with less busy screen, shortcuts to get to where you were last in a convo. It's the emojis/Stickers though. Wow. Instead of being an append only stream, a chat is now a collaborative multiplayer experience, is a 1-dimensionally expanding whiteboard. And emoji/Stickers have a great creation tool! Taking existing photos & short clips & letting folks turn that into reusable stylized Stickers, that we can drop atop other folk's content creates a much richer hypermedia than what social networks have had so far. It's mind blowingly different to me. That's it, then. Apple is never ever going to participate with the rest of the communications infrastructure of the rest of the planet. It's iMessages forever. They've stuck it to us, with Stickers. I'm not even joking. Text messaging is by far one of the most repeat & highest value things we have communication technology for, and Apple has seemingly found a way to mainstreamify a much more collaborative & interactive form of messaging. My mostly-jest joke of today is that Vision Pro wouldn't have been launched except Apple needed to give people something else to talk about, other than how they are now far & away the most powerful social network on the planet. There's a ton of amazing personal & groupware things they've done, but the most important communication we have with each other is far more under lock by Apple than it was yesterday; the cry about Apple needing to support RCS & standards looks totally different today than it did yesterday. My hats off to Apple. The rest of the world has a lot more work to do to remain in good contact with one another than we did yesterday, and we didn't know it; thank you for moving the ball forward, amazing & as I said: awesome. Please don't flag me this time for saying this, like my last go here. I think this is a well thought out idea & stance, & I'd gladly invite discussion & hate-mail, which I promise to be generous with here.
deafpolygon 3y ago
One feature I'm looking forward to, oddly enough, is Journal. Finally, an end-to-end encrypted fully featured journalling application interface that has your privacy in the forefront. Included with your OS.
hammyhavoc 3y ago
Is multiple users on an iPad a thing yet?
- AnonHP 3y ago
  Nope. Seems like even the M2 chip and the RAM it has (on iPad Pro) isn't enough for Apple to consider adding multiuser support and quick multiuser switching. I keep waiting for this every iPadOS release, and it's disappointing not to see it.
Tepix 3y ago
Is there a table somewhere that lists which new features will be available on which iPhones?
l72 3y ago
Will we ever get a guest mode? Especially on my ipad, the kids love to use my apple pencil to draw, and I really don't want them to have access to everything else...

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DANmode 3y ago
This is a low information comment. Could you update it?

koolba 3y ago

> NameDrop allows users to easily share contact information by simply bringing their iPhone devices together. Bump lives!

spitfire 3y ago
So like the palmpilot had in the 1990's.. Cool. But i'm so over people recycling old ideas and pretending they're new.
- skellera 3y ago
  If they work better now (maybe limitations in the past like transfer speeds), what’s the problem?
- solarmist 3y ago
  No ones pretending they’re new. Apple doesn’t do new hotness. It finds experimental tech and if it can make it great then it’ll grab it. It’s always at a minimum 5 years behind new developments. As you point out sometimes decades. I consider that their greatest strength though. Taking something with potential and starting to realize that potential.
- wilg 3y ago
  Technically no, the PalmPilot didn't use NFC and required fussy button presses and pointing so it's a much better implementation.
londons_explore 3y ago
Didn't Android have this in circa 2013?
- EscapeFromNY 3y ago
  Yes, but Apple's version has a fancy swooshing animation
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  2011, actually: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Beam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Beam
  - Jtsummers 3y ago
    Bump predated that and was available on both iPhone and Android which is what the OP in this thread was almost certainly referring to since that's the app they named.
    - rektide 3y ago
      And easily one of the most enjoyable computing experiences out there. Very physical. And cooperative multi-player by nature. Many great things here. I wish Web NFC had a publish mode where we could web hack something like this.
  - mholt 3y ago
    I still wish for this on almost a daily basis. Maybe Android still has it, but no one uses it anymore except me :(
    - londons_explore 3y ago
      It isn't enabled on android by default anymore. Which means the "bump to see this video" turns into "hang on, go into settings and hunt for nearby share, probably hidden in the 'Other' menu..."
    - jeroenhd 3y ago
jeroenhd 3y ago
Looks like Android Beam has finally been ported to iOS after Android removed it because nobody ever used it.
- dijit 3y ago
  Apples innovations are often in making things that other people have tried before and making them polished and usable. So, despite it being failed in Android; it'll probably work well in Apples ecosystem. -- Apples true innovations (3D touch for example) have a much higher chance of not being used and going away.
  - marpstar 3y ago
    That and the fact that there is one version of iOS, and Android has traditionally been very fragmented. Without widespread availability from "day one", these things just don't catch on. See also: the resurgence of QR codes post iOS 11...
    - hammyhavoc 3y ago
      Isn't there now iPad OS?
  - Turing_Machine 3y ago
    Yes. Apple rarely makes the first $THING, but they often make the first $THING that doesn't suck.
  - meatmanek 3y ago
    Do you mean multitouch? 3D touch went away with the iPhone 11, and I'm still salty about it. The hold-spacebar-to-move-cursor thing is just ever so slightly less efficient than the previous force-touch-anywhere-on-keyboard-to-move-cursor. (But I get why they removed it -- that was pretty much the only good actual use of 3d touch. Elsewhere in the iOS UI, it just made things more complicated, and I was constantly accidentally force-touching things instead of long-pressing them, etc. Probably not worth the added hardware costs.)
yieldcrv 3y ago
Dot cards dies! along with every NFC business card
faitswulff 3y ago
I would love to see this feature implemented for Vision Pro
- high_priest 3y ago
  Kiss to prove you trust the other person['s personal higene]
- high_priest 3y ago
  Kiss to prove you trust the other person('s personal higene)
jbverschoor 3y ago
Maybe the patent expired and Apple didn't want to share the number of devices sold?

FollowingTheDao 3y ago

This part of the presentation reallllly bothered me. What a bunch of time wasting nothings and filled with establishing your "brand" and ego. Sorry, but I do not want to see someone's Self advertising everytime I get a phone call. You know this will be used to show you ads when companies call, right? You think this will not be monetized?

pat2man 3y ago
I mean its Apple, this is probably limited to your address book.
- FollowingTheDao 3y ago
  No, it's not. It will apply to strangers as well. https://gizmodo.com/best-ios-17-features-iphone-apple-wwdc-2023-1850506161 https://gizmodo.com/best-ios-17-features-iphone-apple-wwdc-2... Although it’s the least used app for many of us, with iOS 17, the Phone app will be upgraded with a feature Apple is calling “Personalized Contact Posters” so instead of just your name and number showing up on the iPhone of someone you’re calling, they’ll see a customized image (or memoji) and **text of your choosing which could help persuade them into answering your call***. Apple also promises the Contact Posters will “also be available for third-party calling apps.”
  - jeroenhd 3y ago
    Wait, so this is for strangers too? That seems rather ill-advised. I suppose it's a way to make people buy iPhones so they don't get ignored by other iPhone users because of the missing picture? Now the scam callers will not only be able to spoof the FBI's phone number, but show a badge and a threatening full screen message too!
    - rootusrootus 3y ago
      > Now the scam callers will not only be able to spoof the FBI's phone number, but show a badge and a threatening full screen message too! Do they do that now with iPhones? It seems like the requirement to be using an Apple account would significantly hinder the scammers.

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no_time 3y ago

ctrl+f "sideloading" -> 0 results With this in mind, does anyone care?

dymk 3y ago
I'm sure dozens, maybe even hundreds, of people care
- kyrra 3y ago
  I'd say it's more, with the EU Digital Markets Act.
  - dymk 3y ago
    EU lawmakers, famously known for being the pinnacle of The Will of the People
velcrovan 3y ago
Most people don’t care about sideloading.
- neilalexander 3y ago
  I care about it, but I also understand that hell will freeze over before Apple stand up on the stage in front of their worldwide developer community and tell them that the Apple Store fees and the Apple Developer subscription cost aren't necessary after all. If they do allow side-loading for legal compliance, it's practically guaranteed that the option to switch it on will be slid into a minor-point release in a difficult-to-find menu with no fanfare whatsoever. It makes no sense for them to advertise the capability and I would be surprised if it even makes it into the release notes.
jeroenhd 3y ago
Not much of a surprise. Apple won't introduce installing downloaded apps unless they're forced, and the EU law that'll force them to enable external sources won't be enforced until next year.

hammock 3y ago

>AirTag can be shared with up to five other people >Reminders features a grocery list that automatically groups added items into categories to make shopping easier. That's cool

AndrewStephens 3y ago
Finally! AirTags are great but linking them to a single user was a significant limitation.
- steve_adams_86 3y ago
  I feel like way too many of my notifications are iOS letting me know I'm being tracked by AirTags belonging to people I know. It'll be so nice to clear those out.
- culopatin 3y ago
  If they could only apply this concept to an iPad…
themadturk 3y ago
I really want to see decent grocery shopping features in Reminders. I'm using Grocery right now, which uses Reminders but has continual problems talking between my Watch and My Phone and has way more features than I need...but it's still (in my experience) the best shopping list app out there.

TheSoftwareGuy 3y ago

Some of the smaller updates will be a nice QOL bump for me: > For easier and more secure password and passkeys sharing, users can share passwords with a group of trusted contacts. Everyone in the group can add and edit passwords to keep them up to date. Since sharing is through iCloud Keychain, it’s end-to-end encrypted. >Maps adds offline maps, so users can download a specific area and access turn-by-turn navigation, see their estimated time of arrival, find places in Maps, and more while offline. Maps also makes it easier than ever to discover thousands of trails in parks across the United States, and supports electric vehicle drivers with real-time charging availability information. >AirTag can be shared with up to five other people, allowing friends and family to keep track of an item in Find My. Everyone in a group will be able to see an item’s location, play a sound, and use Precision Finding to help pinpoint the location of a shared AirTag when nearby. This also works with all other Find My network accessories.

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rootusrootus 3y ago
Shared passwords/passkeys comes pretty close to eliminating my need for a 1Password subscription. But it kinda depends on what other login-associated details Apple lets you put together with the password.
- graftak 3y ago
  ProBably TOTP and a comment entry field (that I use for recovery codes).
throw0101c 3y ago
> For easier and more secure password and passkeys sharing […] Note there is a IETF draft for credential transfers: * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-secure-credential-transfer/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-secure-credential-tra... Apple and Alphabet/Google as authors.
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dymk 3y ago

> AirTag can be shared with up to five other people, allowing friends and family to keep track of an item in Find My. awesome

robnado 3y ago
Finally! We bought an AirTag to put on the dog, and it was disappointing that only one of us could see it. Hopefully, they also solve the issue with it beeping randomly to alert of tracking so that it doesn't beep when it's with anyone in the family.

huhtenberg 3y ago

... and this all but completes transition from Jobs' Apple of "we know what's good for you" to non-Jobs' Apple of "the more the merrier, let's just stuff it with all we have". The pattern is repeating except now there's no Steve to take the company back and smack some opinionated design sense into it.

MrBuddyCasino 3y ago

> easier sharing with AirDrop it works now? also if they could fix mobile hotspot, that’d be great

gonehome 3y ago
Yeah, I have a 50% success rate with airdrop on anything large enough that I want to use airdrop because of it. It barely works.
- alanbernstein 3y ago
  That's funny. I've never had it fail.
  - gonehome 3y ago
    Usually it appears and I click it gets stuck waiting, it never appears on the other device to be accepted, or something like that. Sometimes the other device never appears despite having proper settings configured. Usually I’m trying to move a large video file.
    - SkyPuncher 3y ago
      We just had this happen tonight. Even worse is it seems to silently get stuck. It’s hard to get it back to a blessed state.
    - MrBuddyCasino 3y ago
      Same, except the size of the file doesn’t matter. I just message myself on Telegram now.
gruez 3y ago
It works 90% of the time for me if use it in "discoverable" mode and disable wifi first.

anhner 3y ago

> Improvements to Autocorrect and Dictation Deliver More Intelligent Input Yet I bet they still won't add any additional languages for the swipe gesture, or allow multiple language predictions...

swasheck 3y ago
autocorrect and the swipe keyboard on ios has gotten progressively worse with each release, to the degree that i've reverted to typing with my thumbs because it's faster. additional languages seems like a bridge too far right now
- OkGoDoIt 3y ago
  They claim this new version has a fancy transformer-based text production model. Assuming that same engine powers swipe prediction, we might finally see an improvement here. Here’s to hoping. Voice dictation has also gotten worse over the past couple of years, I’m very excited that they claim they’ve got a new transformer-based architecture that works a lot better now. These two features alone might dramatically improve my quality of life using iOS. Android from a decade ago was better at text entry than iOS is currently.
  - D13Fd 3y ago
    This is so weird to me. I use both every day and they seem totally fine. It even picked up my child’s unique nickname (even though spellcheck still flags it)
- deepspace 3y ago
  I would be happy if the stupid thing stopped capitalizing every occurrence of "and", and stopped replacing "is" with "I'd". Those two alone turn swype-typing from a convenience into a frustrating slog.
el_benhameen 3y ago
Don’t worry, the swipe keyboard on ios is so atrociously bad that you aren’t missing much.

jmyeet 3y ago

I am beginning to dread every new iOS version as they seem to just make it worse and worse as times goes on. Examples: 1. Copy and Paste. When first introduced, it was great. You got a magnifying glass to be precise. It basically just worked. Yet somehow they kept changing it and every change makes it less usable. Currently, you can't really place the cursor at the end of a line (seriously, go into iMessage and try it). It's trying way too hard to snap to where it thinks you want the cursor. The only way to get this is to put it at the beginning of the next line and delete back. Pressing on a word brings up the "select" menu instead of just placing the cursor half the time. 2. Safari tab groups. I liked the old version where you toggled between tabs and private. But now you have to go through an extra step: selecting a tab group. Some people may want this. I'm not one of them. There is absolutely no way to opt out of this. 3. On an iPad hitting the top center of Safari brings up some split screen functionality that I have never used, don't care about and don't want. It's a natural place to press to go to the top of the page so this happens all the time. Please just stop with this, Apple.

andelink 3y ago
I don't have the same problems in #1 that you do (copy/paste + selection). Only mentioning this because you say to go try it, and I did just these things prior to reading your comment. Also, if you aren't aware of long pressing / holding the space bar to navigate, it's very useful.
- ant6n 3y ago
  I cant figure out how to paste something in many contexts without a long press, which will select text - so the paste will replace that text. So if i want to insert something, I will write a couple of chars of garbage, long-press-select, then paste-replace. iOS strangely is full of these little hickups, it sometimes feels like back in Windows. (Also the auto correct is so annoyingly dumb and broken)
  - andelink 3y ago
    I do a light tap to bring up the copy/paste options. Long-press activates the navigation mode to drag the cursor.

user6723 3y ago

What would make the iPhone personal and intuitive for me is an easy way to load apps without going through the app store.

jdiez17 3y ago
This is rumoured to be possible with iOS 17 [1]. They just didn't announce it explicitly. [1] if you are in the EU :^)
gnicholas 3y ago
I'd love to be able to update apps without going to the App Store. Just long-hold an app and have an update option, or at least a "see update in App Store" option. Most of the time I go to the App Store, I have to wait for it to load a bunch of ads, then click search, then type the app, then hit update.
- sharatvir 3y ago
  I believe all iOS apps get updated automatically based on apples app rollout process. But you can still go do it via the App Store using fewer steps. Just click on your profile pic (top right) and you should see all available app updates.
  - gnicholas 3y ago
    I have auto updates turned off. I realize I can go into the update area and pick apps to update, but if I'm looking to update a specific one, it's usually faster to search and update that way.

k8sToGo 3y ago

I’m quite excited about the autocorrect improvements. However my expectations remain low.

0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
It is incredible how poor the correction is on a regular basis. What’s most frustrating when you correct the correction and Apple will redo it yet again.
- SkyPuncher 3y ago
  They really need a better way to gesture in-word that tells iOS “I know this word is going to be Miss-corrected, don’t even try”
jamilton 3y ago
My expectations are low too. I haven't had any major negative experiences with iOS autocorrect in years, so it's seems likely that that'll be a downgrade for me.
sen 3y ago
It still refuses to let me swear. Ever. No matter how often I correct it. As an Australian I find that really ducking ridiculous and an afront to my national bloody identity.
- robertoandred 3y ago
  They called this out specifically in the keynote as something they've fixed.
- kevincrane 3y ago
  As someone else said, they mentioned that swearing is finally coming to autocorrect during the keynote. But if you want a fix faster than that (janky as this fix is), go to Settings > General > Keyboard > Text Replacement. Write down each swear you want and then write the same word for what it should be replaced with. So write “fucking” and “fucking” in the two boxes, and then iOS will know that “fucking” is a word it should look out for and it’ll recognize it for both autocorrect and swipe typing. Very stupid fix but a stupid fix is still a fix.

avinoth 3y ago

Excited for the journal app! I was always uncomfortable trusting any of the existing apps and inevitably censor or give up writing my thoughts. I’ve even tried building several (4(!)) journaling apps in the past and it’s still an unsolved problem for me. Right now i use a mix of obsidian and a self built journal app but that obviously has some drawbacks on its own. Microjournaling, photo context and able to share (along with local e2e) are on top of my list. Looks like it solves many of it.

FollowingTheDao 3y ago
> I was always uncomfortable trusting any of the existing apps I still cannot understand why people are so trusting of things they put on their phone. It is so much easier for anyone to get into your phone as opposed to your house or a safe in your house. You all are giving so much up just for this convenience, which will one day become inconvenient.
- syspec 3y ago
  Probably because I've had my house broken into, but I've never had my data stolen off of my phone. Even when I have lost my phone, no one has been able to take anything out.
  - FollowingTheDao 3y ago
    > I've never had my data stolen off of my phone How would you know? In fact, you do not know this for certain. It is just wishful thinking. Marketing.
    - derefr 3y ago
      You seem to be conflating exfiltrating data from cloud services that the phone syncs with (which many state actors probably do en masse), with exfiltrating data held only on the device itself (which is something that you'd only expect from people who actively care about your data, e.g. police looking for evidence after you've been arrested, criminal gangs who want your crypto-wallet keys, etc.) Modern phones are pretty good at stopping the latter class of attack; this is self-evident from the fact that this type of attacker is looking for specific things in order to use them in a timely manner (use the evidence against you at trial; drain your crypto wallet to spend the funds themselves before you can move the funds elsewhere), and yet we rarely see people reporting that someone made use of their exfiltrated data in this way. PCs are much more vulnerable to this type of attack. There are tons of computer viruses that steal your crypto wallet.

chankstein38 3y ago

This is awesome! I'm excited to see the update! I wish there had been an update to the camera though. It's great I just use it a lot and would love to see how they improved pieces of it!

OkGoDoIt 3y ago
Usually they announce camera updates at the September event when they announce new iPhones and other products. Today was about software and operating systems and developer platforms. Some hardware, but the bulk of hardware announcements come in a few months.
MBCook 3y ago
WWDC is software, and sometimes new platforms (headset) or Macs. New iPhone models and their changes, like the camera, will be held until the iPhone event that is traditionally in September. That event often contains more iOS 17 features that they didn’t want to mention today for strategic reasons (might give away hardware changes).

rektide 3y ago

Apple blew me away with what they are doing for personal communication. Everything else felt like a refinement or new product trial balloon. But what Apple is doing to make mini-creators out of people here is jaw dropping. I'd go so far to half-jest VisionPro launch was pushed up to smokescreen how big the iMessage changes are, what ecosystem dominance Apple is getting with iOS/MacOS. Apple is never going to participate with anyone else ever, after this. Apple is off executing incredible big advancements. Users create a little avatar that shows up across products, with some solid flare & artistic effect gratis. Great first impression building, lots of enduring personality. But the day to day is wow. Being able to positionally drag drop emoji into group chat is huge flair from the start. Drop in locations easily, nice, useful. Creating custom emoji really really impressed me, really let's folks develop repetoir & humor in their interactions with each other over time. ActivityPub/Mastadon impl MissKey has a very barebones custom emoji that I like, but the authorship tools here look really really friendly & helpful to really DIY, to go beyond being a meme bank. Other communications tech touches were everywhere. Live Voicemail live transcribing is dead simple & sensible, albeit receive only. Shared CarPlay Sessions is tech Google has in Cast/Android but which no one uses (including YouTube Music): hugely prosocial connected computing. Journaling is incredibly compelling as a synthesis tool, a way to pull together a variety of computing bits & encourage user content generation, to make a shared computing space around the user. Apple also situated into the home far better than Google. Android's widgets have been stagnant for years & crude, and Apple has gone from having nothing to relentlessly driving forward with microexperiences atop shared computing spaces. These ideas, of shared computing spaces, and shared interpersonal spaces, are massively on display here in a way no one else is computing is showing off, and it's incredibly compelling to me. And scary, as it's so purely Apple's space; the world needs some principled loyal opposition to the Cupertino Way, that keeps the path of computing available for open innovation.

ChrisArchitect 3y ago
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- rektide 3y ago
  What do you think? Why? I think I stated my reasoning here throughout. Two major themes, platform control & shared computing/social spaces, seem evident to me, we're such strong & rich themes. Doesn't seem to be working for anyone else though, woe. Getting hammered on three fronts: Apple fan boys that hate my platform dominion messages, Apple haters that hate to hear how well Apple is executing, and people who accuse me of being a chatgtp. I assure you I have the bonafieds to prove this is me at my regular. I wish people didn't have such nasty trigger fingers.

solarkraft 3y ago

Yet the biggest feature will (hopefully) be Digital Markets Act compliance.

OkGoDoIt 3y ago
I was half expecting them to announce that with a flourish like it was some big innovation they came up with on their own.
- iLoveOncall 3y ago
  I expect no announcement at all. I think they will try to make this as quite as possible so that nobody is aware.
jdiez17 3y ago
That was the main thing I was looking for as well. They could have either owned it or what seems more likely, they will flip a flag for EU users in a few months.
- Rebelgecko 3y ago
  IIRC the deadline is in July, and they have to be DMA compliant for non-EU users' data too
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MBCook 3y ago
I can’t see them ever announcing that in a keynote. I don’t think it’s a feature that most users are asking for or would make them want to switch to the platform. I’m not denying it’s good for users, just that I don’t think it would be good for what is (highly) a marketing presentation for them at this point. I would expect that to be talked about in the developer state of the union this afternoon, or perhaps not even at all at this point.
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seaghost 3y ago

Most of these features could be pushed as an app update, but here we are.

TheJoeMan 3y ago
I believe the core apps have so much tech debt / tentacles throughout the OS that sadly they will never get to having say Messages update from the App Store. For example, the new Messages can pop up Photos overlay to generate a sticker. This would need to be an API to see if you have the latest Photos app with the sticker capability.
- bunga-bunga 3y ago
  Maybe, but for Apple yearly releases are just free PR. It wouldn’t be terribly difficult to write “if photos.app doesn’t have getStickerablePhotos API, tell user to update”

temptemptemp111 3y ago

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hfkwer 3y ago

Is this an advertisement?

cheschire 3y ago

iPhone XS or later… I guess the iPhone 8 and the X are losing support now or did I interpret this wrong?

dangus 3y ago
You are correct.
MuffinFlavored 3y ago
Sep 12, 2017 — Apple announces iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus, featuring a new glass and aluminum design, Retina HD displays, A11 Bionic chip and wireless ... Sep 12, 2017 — “iPhone X is the future of the smartphone. It is packed with incredible new technologies, like the innovative TrueDepth camera system, beautiful ... 6 year old phone
- elboru 3y ago
  6 years old and it still performs pretty well, I’m really sensitive to slow tech but I don’t have major complains with my iPhone X in 2023. This is the longest I’ve ever owned a phone definitely buying the 15.
twobitshifter 3y ago
Really? My X is still 100% fine for me. I used my friends new 14 the other day and didn’t notice any difference besides it being larger and thicker.

imafish 3y ago

Every time a UI update is pushed for the calling and messaging interface, there is a group of seniors that no longer know how to call or message family and friends.

neilalexander 3y ago
Neither the phone nor the messaging interfaces have changed significantly. In fact the main day-to-day interactive elements are completely unchanged.

kylehotchkiss 3y ago

Can you download zoomed-out maps of the flight you're on? I always like to try to put the phone up against the window to see where you actually are (the maps on airplanes IFE are comically out of scale and hard to read with a 4inch poorly rotating airplane icon overlaid on them)

dan-robertson 3y ago
I don’t know about the receivers in phones but my understanding of gps is that it’s actually very slow to initialise if you don’t already have a rough idea of where you are. Roughly, I think you try to guess where you are and do some dsp work that will successfully separate signal from noise if you guessed correctly. You do this first for the ‘coarse navigation signal’ and again for the fine one. I think there are ways to improve it, eg testing multiple locations in parallel but I don’t know how much phones do those vs having good guesses (nearby cell towers, Wi-Fi, flights in your calendar can all be relevant signals to start with good guesses).
robbiep 3y ago
I generally don’t have any problem doing this on Google maps on my domestic Australian flights, in fact I almost always do it - great to see what’s underneath me and just how fucking much nothing there is. Although the Qantas map when I’m flying on a plane with IFE does a pretty good job as well

dustyharddrive 3y ago

I wish we had more details on this (https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-17-preview/ https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-17-preview/): > The expanded Lockdown Mode increases security to help protect against sophisticated cyber attacks. No support article updates or mentions in the Platforms State of the Union.

dustyharddrive 3y ago
Found this in a press release (https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/06/apple-announces-powerful-new-privacy-and-security-features/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/06/apple-announces-power...): > New protections encompass safer wireless connectivity defaults, media handling, media sharing defaults, sandboxing, and network security optimizations. Hopefully a session will cover the details.

eiiot 3y ago

> Autofill verification codes received in Mail > Download maps to use offline > Turn your iPhone on its side while charging to make it even more useful when you set it down. > Share AirTag or Find My network accessories with up to five other people. I've seen a lot of people complaining about this release, but honestly, it seems like they took the time to address a lot of the little things that were wrong with previous (larger) releases. No complaints here, other than the fact that there's still no spotify-like control for apple music :/

dahwolf 3y ago

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only that has used iOS for 10 years now but don't actually use it. As in, less than 1% of it. I read about new features all the time but none sticks.

crossroadsguy 3y ago

I have been patiently waiting for a feature for versions but now I don't think they are going to do it - ability to control the notification (alert/ringing) settings of both the SIMs separately. I mean how dense or arrogant people at Apple have to be grok that by design if someone is using two different SIMs on a phone the use cases and needs might be different. Android has given this feature since a century by now. Or I think it's just their incompetence. Seeing how Apple is at software I won't put past them that they might have implemented this whole thing in such a way that just adding this feature might mean a major rewrite. I mean for heaven's sake I might have a SIM that attracts a lot of spam call/etc and I might just want to keep it perpetually on silent or sometimes silent - yeah just silent not entirely disable it (but just that SIM, not my other important SIM). By the way they have mentioned filtering on the Messages app based on SIM but even their they have not mentioned anything about notifications. Yup they mentioned it twice (at least to me it seems the same): > Dual SIM message filtering > Filter conversations in Messages by individual SIM. and then right next to it: >SIM-based filtering >Messages now allows users with a dual SIM iPhone to filter messages based on their SIMs. So maybe I will still not be using the dual SIM of the dual SIM phone. How many years will it take it to get to Apple's head that these are two different SIMs!

aikinai 3y ago
I haven't installed the beta yet so don't know details, but I saw a mention on Reddit that you can now have two different ringtones at least.
- crossroadsguy 3y ago
  Well that honestly is a relief. I will see if I can set a muted ringtone Though I seriously doubt Apple will allow someone to set a custom ringtone. I haven’t checked it.

armatav 3y ago

I wonder how they train that image filter at the bottom thinking emoji

rektide 3y ago

Apple has really masterminded a new era in personal & interpersonal computing here. There's a couple tactics backing this overarching strategy, that all reinforce each other well. They have really pushed communications technology massively forward, which semi-coincidentally is one of their biggest & most effective moats. Another tactic that I thing is strongly helping them forward is in combining experiences & systems together. The personalization starts super-visibly. Folks create their own contact "Posters" now, with the help of a nice flair-generator, that are highly visible across systems, such as the improved AirDrop, NameDrop. Personalization also is intrinsic too: Journal app could be incredibly interesting, as it seems to sort of assisted scrapbooker that pulls & clips your data & information as you open the journal, makes your journal more multimedia & characterful. Personalization also is much more on display, now with StandBy, which cements your personality ambiently with an always-on display. Users can configure widgets & photos to provide a little information portal. The variety of widgets & configurability of the system seems like a class far beyond what Nest Hub and Pixel Tablet have, which feel like sterile consumer applications, rather than something of & for the user. Groupware is where the real story is though. There's low hanging easy fruit, like Live Voicemail transcriptionsl; ingest only but a great adjustment to "workflow" we all deal with. AppleTV being able to work with the phone to do FaceTime gets them a much more respectable video position, oh and folks can now leave videomessages - so personal! AirPlay sharing does what Google Cast can do but none of their apps do do, letting people join & collaborate together while doing ubiquotous/pervasive computing... remember the Nexus Q? Apple shipped it. Youtube Music by compare still doesn't have a good shared/collaborative experience. Groupware keeps going and going today. CheckIn provides an incredibly useful way for trusted folks to be e-keepers for each other in the world. The "Bump" like contact sharing looks great & leverages that customization, and AirDrop being internet connected is a huge win. AirTags and browser passwords are both shareable with others. Notes is collaborative, and has FaceTime integration. Groupware radically evolved today on a lot of fronts. By far the biggest changes in WWDC for me though were in iMessaging. Everything I've said so far is amazing & great adjustments, but iMessages is the crown jewel of Apple's world & it's never been on display like today. Apple is the social network overlord already, and they've really amped their game up incredibly. There's some really simple but powerful additions like being able to drop in locations, or again like with voicemail see live transcriptions of audio messages. CheckIn is integrated. These are more interesting & alive shared space Apple is creating, owning themselves, atop their already strong iMessage apps integrations. QoL is high, with less busy screen, shortcuts to get to where you were last in a convo. It's the emojis/Stickers though. Wow. Instead of being an append only stream, a chat is now a collaborative multiplayer experience, is a 1-dimensionally expanding whiteboard. And emoji/Stickers have a great creation tool! Taking existing photos & short clips & letting folks turn that into reusable stylized Stickers, that we can drop atop other folk's content creates a much richer hypermedia than what social networks have had so far. It's mind blowingly different to me. That's it, then. Apple is never ever going to participate with the rest of the communications infrastructure of the rest of the planet. It's iMessages forever. They've stuck it to us, with Stickers. I'm not even joking. Text messaging is by far one of the most repeat & highest value things we have communication technology for, and Apple has seemingly found a way to mainstreamify a much more collaborative & interactive form of messaging. My mostly-jest joke of today is that Vision Pro wouldn't have been launched except Apple needed to give people something else to talk about, other than how they are now far & away the most powerful social network on the planet. There's a ton of amazing personal & groupware things they've done, but the most important communication we have with each other is far more under lock by Apple than it was yesterday; the cry about Apple needing to support RCS & standards looks totally different today than it did yesterday. My hats off to Apple. The rest of the world has a lot more work to do to remain in good contact with one another than we did yesterday, and we didn't know it; thank you for moving the ball forward, amazing & as I said: awesome. Please don't flag me this time for saying this, like my last go here. I think this is a well thought out idea & stance, & I'd gladly invite discussion & hate-mail, which I promise to be generous with here.

deafpolygon 3y ago

One feature I'm looking forward to, oddly enough, is Journal. Finally, an end-to-end encrypted fully featured journalling application interface that has your privacy in the forefront. Included with your OS.

hammyhavoc 3y ago

Is multiple users on an iPad a thing yet?

AnonHP 3y ago
Nope. Seems like even the M2 chip and the RAM it has (on iPad Pro) isn't enough for Apple to consider adding multiuser support and quick multiuser switching. I keep waiting for this every iPadOS release, and it's disappointing not to see it.

Tepix 3y ago

Is there a table somewhere that lists which new features will be available on which iPhones?

l72 3y ago

Will we ever get a guest mode? Especially on my ipad, the kids love to use my apple pencil to draw, and I really don't want them to have access to everything else...