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I don't have ADHD, but three private clinics say I do, and offered me medication
- ZeroGravitas 3y agoIt would be a lot more convincing if they'd sent an undercover reporter who didn't in reality display a lot of ADHD symptoms.
- wombatpm 3y agoSo, it's easy to get ADHD drugs if you act like you have ADHD in the UK.
- Eumenes 3y agoIts insanely easy in the US too. I abused it early in my career (have talked about it in previous posts). "Doctor" offices all over NYC and SF have 5 minute appointment blocks where you utter "I can't concentrate at work or school", and by the time you walk to Walgreens, your RX is filled. Its even easier now with the websites that do it.
- aidenn0 3y agoAs someone with ADHD (but not in a major city), it's been hard for me. Every psychiatrist won't prescribe them unless I'm seeing a therapist that they personally know. The pharmacies often can't fill the prescription, and insurance requires significant pestering to pay for it.
- seanp2k2 3y agoAs others have stated, it’s all extra ironic when those are the exact types of things that folks who need these medications really struggle with.
- bluepod4 3y ago“Its even easier now with the websites that do it.” Ha. I just tried this and was told I didn’t score high enough on their assessment, mainly due to not having issues as a child in school. For some reason, saying “school was easy for me because I was two to three levels ahead of the rest of the kids and I never had to do any real work” wasn’t a reasonable excuse. Also, I talked about concentration issues at work but then was asked if I make careless mistakes. I explained it’s not really possible to make mistakes due to the nature of the job. This also meant that I don’t have ADHD, I guess.
- iamdbtoo 3y agoThis is completely untrue in modern times.
- waboremo 3y agoDoctors avoid the "I can't concentrate" metric these days and care far more about your upbringing and the effects in your daily life beyond study/work. I also believe that those that abused drugs to advance in their careers need help as well, just not ADHD meds, and so the stigma can be reduced both ways.
- seba_dos1 3y ago"I can't concentrate" is a very shitty metric in the first place. I can concentrate perfectly well, probably even better than most people, thank you. What I can't control is when and what I concentrate on. If I was diagnosing someone, hearing "I can't concentrate" with no additional qualifiers would be a significant yellow flag for me.
- ParetoOptimal 3y ago> "Doctor" offices all over NYC and SF It's very regional and the regions you mention it being easy in make me suspect political. In say Missisippi or Florida, I've seen many accounts of challenges.
- yamtaddle 3y ago> Its even easier now with the websites that do it. Wait, as someone who super-duper probably has ADHD but is nearing 40 without having ever gotten a diagnosis or meds, despite getting partway there a couple times, because [list of reasons in other posts here complaining about how hard it is to navigate the ADHD medication dance when you have ADHD]... they've got what now? Is there like an ADHD version of the easy, fake-but-gets-the-job-done online medical screenings for medical weed cards? Because if so I'm doing that today (um, haha, maybe).
- Eumenes 3y agoHere, is EZ - https://old.reddit.com/r/ADHD/comments/qccdlm/done_first_gave_me_meds_in_15_mins/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ADHD/comments/qccdlm/done_first_gav... Go get 'em tiger ;)
- ToValueFunfetti 3y agoThis is inevitable because there's no physiological test for ADHD; the only diagnostic criteria are how you behave and how you describe your experience. If you couldn't get treated with a convincing lie, you also couldn't get treated if you needed it.
- grumpy-de-sre 3y ago> there's no physiological test for ADHD Actually some of the modern computerized continuous performance tests are getting pretty good (a friend of mine in Germany had to undergo one prior to a diagnosis). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_performance_task https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_performance_task https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31364437/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31364437/
- michaelt 3y agoWhat makes you think he displays a lot of ADHD symptoms? I mean, he says "I can forget things, I fidget, I will on occasion zone out of long meetings" but that's true of every human being to some extent.
- ZeroGravitas 3y agoThis bit: > When I was 14, I witnessed the aftermath of my sisters being knocked down by a car. Ailis survived, Claire - who was 11 - died. Almost 17 years to the day, my dad died unexpectedly. I was a different person after those events. The reason I am sharing this is because I was told the effect of such trauma can sometimes manifest itself into symptoms similar to ADHD. > A friend of mine - who had been privately diagnosed with the condition - had once suggested to me that I might have it too.
- ParetoOptimal 3y ago> I mean, he says "I can forget things, I fidget, I will on occasion zone out of long meetings" but that's true of every human being to some extent. I feel like the difference is whether you can decide "I need to pay attention to this meeting even though it's boring" and then are able to actually do it. With ADHD it's more like "oh crap! oh crap! I did it again.. I'm not paying attention to this meeting. I'm going to do it now. But man I suck for falling into not paying attention again. How could I prevent this in the future? Oh I can improve sleep by getting a sleep mask. grabs phone to order sleep mask on amazon" Meanwhile the meeting has ended and your co-worker you eat lunch with asks "are you coming?" and you lookup to say "huh" with a dazed look.
- pessimizer 3y agoYou should believe the patient unless they threaten your trust in the system. Then you should attack the patient's knowledge of themselves and their medical situation casually, and imply that this stupidity indicates something sinister about their character.
- bluefirebrand 3y agoIt sort of sounds like what you actually have is an ADHD diagnosis from 3 professionals and a No-ADHD diagnosis from 1 professional.
- shapefrog 3y agoThe No-ADHD diagnosis was done by a professional whos pay depends on dispensing a No-ADHD diagnosis, while the 3 professionals offering a Yes-ADHD diagnosis depend on positive diagnosis of things to get paid.
- ParetoOptimal 3y agoI haven't verified whether or not the No-ADHD diagnosing psychologist was paid or not, but I will say that just the fact that the reporter told them what they were doing is a huge confounding factor on the scale of making their conclusion pretty useless.
- Nextgrid 3y agoThe real failure here is that there's a market for these clinics in the first place, despite supposedly having a "national health service" for which we have to pay (quite high) taxes for. The NHS is not fit for purpose and hasn't been for a long time.
- youngNed 3y agoi don't follow your logic here, at all. The NHS doctor told him, he didn't have ADHD, 3 private clinics told him he did and your reply is 'The NHS is not fit for purpose' ?
- madaxe_again 3y agoBecause the waiting time for an ADHD assessment on the NHS is currently >2 years, which is why he was talking to the director of services rather than an actual practitioner at an actual assessment, and there are therefore private entities providing the service the NHS should be providing. As far as I’m aware the NHS actually sends most of its patients to the three profiled to be assessed, so really I’m not sure what an “NHS assessment” actually is.
- Nextgrid 3y agoMy logic is that those clinics shouldn't be able to remain in business if the NHS did its job and was fit for purpose. Nobody pays £500+ if they have an equivalent, free alternative. The reason he was able to get a diagnosis from the NHS is because he is a BBC journalist, and is able to navigate any bureaucracy as part of his work day and get paid for it, and ultimately does not suffer from the disorder and thus doesn't really care how long it takes for him to get seen by the doctor. The average person would be stuck in a kafkaesque maze of bureaucracy and months-long waiting lists before they get anywhere close to a diagnosis (which is even worse if you actually do have a disorder and is impeding your day-to-day life and/or work) - that's why these private clinics have business.
- seanp2k2 3y agoObviously the proposed solution is to privatize all healthcare, because what we have in the US should be a model for the rest of the world.
- mjhay 3y agoStupid hit piece, very typical of today's BBC.
- User23 3y agoThere's something similar for testosterone. Many, if not most, doctors use the current average testosterone levels to diagnose if a person has some kind of hypogonadism. But there are also doctors who use the historical baseline before the secular testosterone decline, and thus virtually every man who walks in their door gets meditated for low testosterone. Coincidentally the latter clinics tend to charge cash and present much more of a medi-spa than a clinical experience.
- Auracle 3y agoThe latter method isn’t necessarily wrong, however. I have genuine low testosterone (using the current, quite broad, range). When I first tested I was at…352? And the low end of the range was 350. The doctor wouldn’t prescribe me anything but let me see an endocrinologist. That endocrinologist let me test again, and that time I came in close to 200. I had actual symptoms that made me test in the first place and testosterone supplementation has greatly helped with that. The downsides aren’t great for most though. It’ll wreck your fertility and you very well may suppress you levels even further without supplementation for life. All that said, we’re living in a time where we know levels are low for men - and they very well might be for women. Teens are having less sex than ever, many identify as asexual or trans, etc. Sperm counts have absolutely ranked. A lot of that could very well have the same root cause and we need to figure it out. Testosterone supplementation is a cudgel but it’s basically all we’ve got right now.
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- junofan 3y agoWhat’s there to criticize about a medical condition?
- datathrow0007 3y ago- over-diagnosis - over-prescription - (mis/ab)use of drugs to artificially increase work output (with lower quality), causing the rest of the team to have to: fix the (mis/ab)users mistakes, and deal with the political fallout of appearing to be slacking relative to the (mis/ab)user - mismanagement of prescriptions, either by the prescriber or the prescribee: very easy to slip into psychosis or not understand that you shouldn't "feel" the drugs, and that you don't necessarily need to increase the dosage just because the initial high wore off. If your life is being held together sufficiently well on your current dosage, and whenever you forget to take your meds your life falls apart, then your dosage is perfectly fine. Easy to not realize your sleep has been severely impacted, but is being masked by the stimulants, i.e. you're riding on the edge of "psychosis." - disregard for lifestyle modifications that synergize with ADHD and medications (e.g. good sleep hygiene, better diet, regular exercise, meditation, etc.)
- Eumenes 3y agoBingo. These conditions were almost non-existent until recent history and have risen sharply with white collar employment/globalization. Hell, the "father of ADHD" even said it was made up on his deathbed - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/work-of-fiction/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/work-of-fiction/
- whitemary 3y agoI recently learned almost all of my coworkers are on ADHD medication and I'm hardly surprised because my workplace is extremely competitive. I have since started taking Adderall myself and I have no shame in doing so because it's the only way I can meet expectations.
- spirit557 3y agoIt's very easy to get ADHD medication. Fill out the mental questionaire aka check all the boxes that would match having ADHD symptons, say you can't focus on anything and in short order you will get your prescription.
- Auracle 3y agoOn one hand it makes it easy for people that don’t have ADHD to get the medication. On the other, I’m under the impression that one of the best ways to confirm you actually have ADHD is by taking a stimulant. If you make it significantly harder those who actually need help might not get it, and the harm from a limited stimulant supply for everyone else isn’t all that bad compared to even things like alcohol, weed, etc. Little kids are another thing entirely, though I know someone in my family in the US had to go through quite a lot until their 8 year old son was given medication. That included things like therapy with coping strategies.
- devmor 3y agoIs it really that easy to get ADHD medication over there? Here in the US it took me ~4 years of navigating bureaucracy, seeing different specialists and undergoing different evaluations.
- ZunarJ5 3y agoIt's not. This is a moral panic piece.
- ParetoOptimal 3y agoI agree it's a moral panic piece, but I think certain regions probably have an easier time getting a diagnosis. That seems to be a big source of disagreement and people talking past one another.
- spirit557 3y agoThis is in US that I was relating
- bpodgursky 3y ago"I don't have migraines, but three private clinics say I do, and offered me medication" "I don't have chronic pain, but three private clinics say I do, and offered me medication Yes, medicine does not have any real way to read thoughts right now, and medicine instead has to trust patients to give a reasonably accurate description of their own mental state. Really hard-hitting journalism, there.
- kerowak 3y agoThe criticism is that the claims of the patient are not adequately verified by the prescribing doctor. Some people have to undergo a lengthy doctor-administered screening process to receive an ADHD diagnosis. Others fill out a straightforward questionnaire. To use your example, you'd hope that a doctor would verify that a patient actually had something wrong with them before, say, prescribing them something addictive like painkillers.
- bpodgursky 3y agoWhat would more hoops possibly accomplish other than denying care to real patients through attrition and exhaustion? It's trivial for a person to lie in an interview as easily as on a questionaire.
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- ZunarJ5 3y agoWhat this article got wrong: https://matthewhughes.substack.com/p/part-4-what-the-bbcs-rory-carson https://matthewhughes.substack.com/p/part-4-what-the-bbcs-ro... Also if someone wanted drugs, wouldn't it be cheaper/easier to get street drugs instead of this whole process which costs a ton of money? These treatments can cost thousands. Unreal, garbage piece. Leave people that need help alone. ADHD has been known to be underdiagnosed. There is a reason for a spike in dx and it's awareness and societal pressures. This article will hurt people.
- dylan604 3y agothis process does not carry the risk of getting caught buying street drugs or being caught in possession of those drugs which means you don't have to worry about court/jail or being ripped off via street crime
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- ZunarJ5 3y agoTell me you know nothing about addicts without telling me you know nothing about addicts.
- dylan604 3y agoThere's a whole level of users that do not qualify as being addicts
- ZunarJ5 3y agoThen where is the harm and why is it an issue? That's such a small minority comparing that to the actual people trying to seek answers and help. It is impossible to catch every single person acting in bad faith. You cannot make laws like that, it over litigates and prevents the people that need help from getting it. Those people are going to exist no matter what you do.
- erokar 3y agoAlmost anybody, ADHD diagnosis or not, will feel and perform better on low dose amphetamine like Adderall. It's not surprising there's a demand for it — and actors who know how to profit from it.
- zabzonk 3y ago> Almost anybody, ADHD diagnosis or not, will feel and perform better on low dose amphetamine the germans tried this with their troops in ww2 - hint: it didn't go so well for them.
- dylan604 3y agostories of amped up pilots in the US military are common as well. i don't think it was just the germans, so trying to say that was the thing that didn't work well for the germans is just falling flat.
- bluepod4 3y agoNo one said it was just the Germans. But it is well-documented that the Germans distributed amphetamines on a mass scale which had harmful effects. The US did not distribute on a mass scale.
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- r3trohack3r 3y agoAs someone with ADHD, I have to disagree with people in this thread who believe it’s easy to get medication. It’s easy to get medication because you don’t have ADHD (or are high functioning). The rules that have formed around ADHD medication are designed to prevent abuse, but in reality are one huge ADHD obstacle course that is incredibly difficult to navigate for someone who actually has ADHD. Many of the steps you take to get on medication when you don’t need it seem trivial. To someone with ADHD, each of those steps is a barrier that they have a high chance of failing to clear because they “just forget” or “don’t follow up.” Needing to setup and coordinate appointments amplified by the regular required checkins, the monitoring of “steady use” in filling your prescriptions, on-again off-again potentially impacting your eligibility. Needing to coordinate migrating your entire diagnoses and treatment history over (including childhood) to get a new prescription from a new doctor. Etc. I don’t like being on ADHD medication because of the side-effects and the impact on how I communicate. So I frequently fall off the wagon. As soon as I’m off my prescription, the obstacle course starts over and I have to navigate it to get back on my medication.
- version_five 3y agoThis rings true because most forms of assistance seem to be hardest to get for people who actually need them. Disability supports, social assistance, lawsuits, great if you want to game them, less so if you actually need them.
- falcolas 3y agoYes! If you do have ADHD, getting meds is a bloody nightmare of the most ADHD incompatible procedures that could exist. You can only get three months of scrip ahead of time. You can only get meds once a month. You can only get meds one week prior to the prior month running out. You can't call a pharmacy to see if they have it in stock, you must stop by directly. And that's when you're already medicated. If you've been getting sugar pills (yes, this has been happening to some folks), you'll be trying to do all of this with high emotional disregulation, high executive disfunction, and a severely impaired sense of time. Taxes are bloody easier, since there's a strict date once a year with lots of surprisingly clear written instructions. Plus you can pay someone to do it for you.
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- gtop3 3y agoIt costs ~£1000 for a one hour assessment from non-MD assessors at private clinics. What do you suppose the market rate for a 3 hour assessment from an MD that leads an ADHD specialist service for NIH? It doesn't feel like a fair comparison, unless NIH is willing to provide everyone with easy access to the 3hour assessment.
- devmor 3y agoThis article should probably be titled "How I learned that I have ADHD" instead.
- Gordonjcp 3y agoI have every possible marker for ADHD but the top Adult ADHD specialist psychiatrist in the country diagnosed me as the "least ADHD person he's ever met", presumably because I showed up for all my appointments in plenty of time with all the things I needed, and a few other minor things like "no history of stimulant drug use" (uh, dude, you know I said I drink two or three pots of coffee in the morning with the first one before I've even got dressed?). So, I'm starting to think it's all a bit of a fraud.
- ParetoOptimal 3y ago> (uh, dude, you know I said I drink two or three pots of coffee in the morning with the first one before I've even got dressed?). I've found that very high caffiene use has a mild and very temporary ADHD medication like affect on symptoms.
- Gordonjcp 3y agoExactly. Pretty much all ADHD medication is a stimulant of some sort, often related to the amphetamine family. I never much liked speed, mostly because it simply didn't do much for me. I felt like I'd have been as well snorting Lemsip.
- ParetoOptimal 3y agoWhich is a worse outcome? People with ADHD being denied medication to help something like extremely bad executive dysfunciton that drastically lowers quality of life. People being able to take advantage of the system to get medication that shouldn't get it. Do we really believe the second group is larger than the first? I'd also like to point out that if he talked to the NHS counselor about his project before-hand, that makes it a big confounding factor in the negative diagnosis. On a more personal level if you're interested in knowing if you have ADHD or not, anectdotally it seems quite effective to see what your reaction to adderall is. I wonder if there is some way to judge your likelihood of ADHD by reaction to medication? For me personally it's "Now I can 'just do the dishes'" or other obligations without 1000s of other thoughts raining down on me that make doing the dishes seem pointless before addressing the 1000s of other thoughts. However there are other days where taking medication feels like literally nothing happened and I have what feels like the same amount of challenges.
- michaelt 3y ago> Which is a worse outcome? Well, it might be possible to reign in drug-seeking behaviour without denying medicine to people who need it. For example, with more rigorous oversight of healthcare providers, to make sure they're all providing an equally thorough diagnosis. There are risks to turning a blind eye to drug use. We turn a blind eye to bodybuilders and hollywood actors using steroids because it's their choice, and it means the non-steroid-users either have to start using, or get left behind. If we applied the same pressure to the nation's top scientists and mathematicians, or kids trying to get into the top colleges, and they all end up drugged to the gills like sam bankman-fried - we might not be doing the country a favour.
- ParetoOptimal 3y ago> Well, it might be possible to reign in drug-seeking behaviour without denying medicine to people who need it. It may be possible eventually, but in the meantime which side do you err towards? If you err towards denying adhd medication to people that may or may not have ADHD, you will almost certainly deny it to people who need it. That basically leaves that group of people out to dry.
- anovikov 3y agoWhy does it work this way with ADHD but doesn't work with obesity?! No one wants to prescribe Wegovy to me with BMI of 27, i'm almost ready to offer a bribe.
- Workaccount2 3y agoUgh, my sister got convinced she has had ADHD her whole life (now 40) by one of these pop-up adderall shilling companies. Now she has insomnia, but refuses to acknowledge that it could be her newfound "ADHD" is just a pill shill program and that adderall makes everyone perform better at their job.
- Adhshdhdhd 3y agoMake drugs easier to get and start educating people more about it and let them choose. It can't be that a doctor who can't look into you decide if you are better with it or not. Abuse is real but gatekeeping is a real problem. Kids is a problem and imature people are. But also everyone above some magic line are absolutely able to get it one way or the other
- vjk800 3y agoSaying that only people with ADHD should get ADHD medication sounds similar to me as saying that people who are shit at sports should be allowed to use exogenous testosterone so that they are able to compete. As far as I've understood, ADHD medication works the same way whether you have ADHD or not. In my analogy, the only difference between sports performance and ability to focus is that we don't call bad sport performance a "Muscle Deficiency Disorder" because we lack renounce the idea that everyone should be able to perform at the top level in sports.
- seba_dos1 3y ago> ADHD medication works the same way whether you have ADHD or not. Not really. Many stimulants can have counter-intuitive (but desired) calming effects on people with ADHD.
- pseudalopex 3y agoA wheelchair works the same way if your legs work or not.
- seanp2k2 3y agoNext up: an article about how easy it is to get a handicapped parking placard by lying about having a disability.
- pessimizer 3y agoModern doctors stick to an affirmation-only model in profitable situations where the symptoms could be psychosomatic, malingering, and/or hysterical. Saying someone doesn't have ADHD is a violation of their civil rights and basically genocide. You're denying their existence. The only justifiable grounds for denying someone ADHD medication is that they can't pay for it.
- louissan 3y agoI cannot help but wonder. When did everyone suddenly start spending what seems to be a non negligible amount of time worrying if they are affected by this or that or that or this? To be clear: I do not mean to belittle / deny the right or need of people who are genuinely affected by certain conditions. But I do worry (as a parent of teenage children) as to whether this sudden (a few years? max a decade old) wave of "I'm pretty sure I have <INSERT_ACRONYM>" or "I'd better get tested for <INSERT_ANOTHER_CODE> before X or Y happens" is real or not. In some cases, could it be a fad? As the insensitive bastard that I am (to almost quote my eldest the other day... :) my god I love this child), I cannot help but conflate this with how overwhelmingly present "mental health" issues have become. Twitter? Check. The BBC? Check. Instagram and YT? Check. Everywhere. Like it or not, the "me-me-me-I'm-a-victim" also feels like a very trendy thing nowadays. Whatever happened to toughing it out and becoming better/stronger in the process? Has such a view of things and self-betterment in adversity completely fallen out of fashion? Have we all become babies to be nannied? Is this now all viewed as "male, pale and stale"? I cannot help but think (the "300x" is made up, but you will get the idea I hope): . either genuine mental conditions have started to plague humanity 300x times more in the past 30 years . or today's physicians have started to worry 300x more about it, hence diagnose it 300x more often . or physicians from 30 years didn't give a flying flamingo about it . or all of the above What times we live in. We all have our small (or larger) problems -- and I do worry about the the system's influence on my children's ability to become beautiful, responsible and independent adults in the future. To quote: "The busy bee has no time for sorrow".
- ParetoOptimal 3y ago> I cannot help but conflate this with how overwhelmingly present "mental health" issues have become. Just because they are more present doesn't mean they are being faked. I believe that mental health issues were largely ignored before. Now people are paying attention, so more cases are caught. > To quote: "The busy bee has no time for sorrow". The busy bee I picture when you say this also lives with high stress, is easy to anger, and doesn't talk about their feelings in a health way or at all.
- bluefirebrand 3y ago> Whatever happened to toughing it out and becoming better/stronger in the process? This literally is not possible with a lot of mental health problems. When your brain chemistry or your literal brain development is messed up, how are you supposed to just tough it out? It's crazy to think that people can just overpower their own brain chemistry.
- heywherelogingo 3y agoThis happens with all sort of things. Gender is another example: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/28/nhs-closing-down-london-gender-identity-clinic-for-children https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/28/nhs-closing-...
- tbrockman 3y agoDoes it really matter if you have or don’t have ADHD? It seems like what should matter most is if taking the medication improves your overall health and well-being (after accounting for any side-effects). I could only imagine it being a negative if it masks some other underlying phenomenon which left unaddressed prevents you from attaining your global maximum of life satisfaction. It seems likely the amount of harmful abuse prevented by stricter policies would be overshadowed by the amount of positive treatment which is no longer dispensed. If you’re diagnosed and you don’t find medication helpful, you’re not obligated to continue taking it. You discuss it with your provider, you look into alternatives, and you keep eliminating things until you find the best way to cope with whatever issue you have. That being said I’m totally biased, I had a pretty bad experience with trying to find treatment myself. The first nurse practitioner I saw didn’t diagnose me with ADHD and I ended up dealing with it for another two years until being frustrated enough to follow up again. Then, the first appointment I made was abruptly canceled by the doctor, who sent a message saying that I can schedule another appointment but that they weren’t likely to disagree with their colleagues assessment. This put me off for another few months, led me to waste time seeking out-of-network alternatives who intended to charge me absurd amounts of money for assessments, until I finally managed to find a doctor at the original clinic who was pretty appalled at their colleagues message, and looked at my original responses and didn’t understand why the first practitioner hadn’t diagnosed me with ADHD. She figured exploring if medication would alleviate my symptoms and improve my quality of life that it was worth pursuing. I started on Vyvanse and life is definitely a lot more manageable now.
- fzeroracer 3y agoSo is there a new billionaire pushing this narrative or something? We've seen the US start to restrict access to Adderall in the US and now the BBC is funding and pushing narratives claiming that clinics are overprescribing and pushing Adderall on people. I'm very curious where this sudden change in political opinions is coming from.
- annie_muss 3y agoA lot of discussion in this thread is centered around whether ADHD is "real" or not. When someone comes to me thinking that they might have ADHD I start by asking them how messed up their life is. How many jobs have you been through? How many colleges have you dropped out of? How many good relationships have you cycled through? ADHD is a disorder and it can be debilitating. It's not about some 1% efficiency improvement at work. It's the difference between being able to function as an adult in society with a job or being homeless/in prison.