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I find it interesting the sentiment in the comments... Yesterday we had an Apple post where everyone was losing their minds all day about Final Cut Pro on iPad

by r0m4n0 3y ago

I find it interesting the sentiment in the comments... Yesterday we had an Apple post where everyone was losing their minds all day about Final Cut Pro on iPad (which in my opinion as a Software Engineer is the most boring thing I’ve had to read all week). Today we have probably a massive lineup of a bunch of new AI features to be announced for products most of us use on the regular, or could use as devs, and 90% of the comments are about how boring it will be. Not sure what to make of it but you would think the HN crowd would be slightly more interested.

mock-possum 3y ago
> a massive lineup of a bunch of new AI features to be announced man I don't know about everybody else but I'm pretty burned out on the never-ending deluge of AI-related chatter at this point.
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verdverm 3y ago
I'm not an Apple follower, what innovation have they produced in the last 5+ years that the sibling comments deride Google for? I would argue the TPU is far more interesting than the M1, other than that, is it not just marginal improvements on existing products?
- vineyardmike 3y ago
  I personally would argue the M1 is more interesting than the TPU, but I think the general answer to your question is “nothing”. Apple and google both churn out research, google maybe a bit more. Beyond that though, both of their product lines reach such a scale that requires the tech to be mature (aka no longer an innovation). Apple has really strong chip prowess, eg the M1 or the battery efficiency vs size of AirPods and AirTags. But a lot of that is resting on TSMC which anyone can contract. Google has some impressive research into things like AI, database, K8, etc - but today others seem to be catching up.
- hot_gril 3y ago
  Yep, neither one is really innovating, except for the examples you named. I don't know the history of TPUs vs similar ML accelerators; did Google blaze the trail on this?
- VirusNewbie 3y ago
  Airpods are in a category of their own. Multibillion dollar business that redefined the headphone industry
  - fomine3 3y ago
    Great as a business and it's made well, but not much interesting for tech.
    - pyth0 3y ago
      I am consistently surprised by the battery life and quality of noise cancellation given their size. Although none of that is revolutionary and just improving on existing tech, I think the complete package (hardware+software integration) was leaps better than what came before.
  - verdverm 3y ago
    That's a brand thing, not innovation
- lancesells 3y ago
  There's one thing that made Google great and it was search. It's no longer great and hasn't been for some time. I don't even think it's entirely their fault, but their brand and sentiment has taken a hit from that. Also, the data harvesting is much more common knowledge.
  - verdverm 3y ago
    Apple has been increasing their own data harvesting and advertising, so same shoe different foot. Google Cloud is fantastic compared to the others. I don't know why people still go to AWS, nothing interesting has happened, it seems like very little has changed. My biggest gripes are the cookie cutter EC2 vs the flexibility of GCP VMs and the account/project switching in AWS vs GCP. Google is also one of the few companies at the forefront of AI. There is definite innovation there.
flippy_flops 3y ago
I’ll be more interested in Google’s ML when they use it as a competent spam filter for Gmail. As it stands the false positives and false negatives are baffling. Maybe it’s unfair but to me that directly reflects their ML abilities
- jebarker 3y ago
  I'm not denying your experience, but I have almost zero problems with the Gmail spam filter. Never false negatives and almost never false positives. I wonder why different users have different experiences with this?
  - flippy_flops 3y ago
    5-10 years ago I’d agree they were very good. My suspicion is that the base spam filter is not very good but it trains on your email history and becomes better. So my “newer” gmail accounts have very poor filtering. Like I get all caps subject lines with spammy content that my grandmother would recognize as spam, but it blocks some personally written emails from other gmail accounts.
  - dekhn 3y ago
    I get about one "you've been chosen! stanley tool" email every day. They all look the same. I click spam on every one. Still get 'em.
bdcravens 3y ago
This is due to Google's track record on killing products.
- latchkey 3y ago
  Plenty of products are still alive and kicking. AppEngine is a great example of that. Initial release date: April 7, 2008.
  - bdcravens 3y ago
    No one wants to play the guessing game of which products will live and die (well, maybe those who are compulsive gambler do) https://gcemetery.co/ https://gcemetery.co/
    - latchkey 3y ago
      Ok, so nothing in about 2.5 years and some of these I wouldn't even call products. They also haven't deprecated anything on GCP since March 31, 2021. https://cloud.google.com/terms/deprecation https://cloud.google.com/terms/deprecation At the end of the day, I'm super glad they have experimented with things and it seems weird to hold that against them.
      - shmoe 3y ago
        It all goes back to reader. That's when it went sour. They eroded all trust. No one forgets that one.
        latchkey 3y ago
        March 13, 2013, a decade ago and RSS effectively died along with it. Being upset at this for 10 years is right up there with being upset that Gopher protocol never took off.
        shmoe 3y ago
gman83 3y ago
I've noticed that the sentiment on HN tends to skew heavily against Google and more towards Apple. When I go to in-person tech meetups it's usually not at all like that. Not sure why.
- revelio 3y ago
  It's an expectations mismatch. Google used to be the most loved company by developers. It was confident, strong, did wonders for dev comp and gave away lots of cool stuff for free. The only way from there was down, really. Then they did a bunch of things that upset people like getting buy-in into platforms and products only to then constantly kill them off, refuse to release their AI models as APIs on the grounds that devs weren't ethically pure enough to use them, as well as doing stuff that shows a lack of confidence, mostly me-too products like GCP or Bard. Apple was never particularly loved by developers. Respected yes, tolerated yes. But they were always a bit aloof, separate, never bought into the 2010s era of free love and open source. And that's exactly the way they still are today. Apple has been remarkably stable over time, culturally speaking. It consistently meets people expectations for how it behaves, both good and bad. So there's nothing really to be disappointed about there. It is what it is.
  - tenpies 3y ago
    Even outside technology, Google went from that cool "don't be evil" company, to suppressing search results so that people would vote the way Google wanted. Add a few cases of Glassholes[1], killing products people loved, and it eventually piles up. I will add though, that just because the company has lost its lustre, doesn't mean the people working there are any less talented. I just think that on a long enough timeline, Google becomes IBM[2]. --- [1] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glasshole https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glasshole [2] https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/04/hitlers-willing-business-partners/303146/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/04/hitlers...
  - VirusNewbie 3y ago
    Great analysis. Stability of culture means no room to disappoint like Google.
electroly 3y ago
Ceci n'est pas une pipe. The features are exciting. Google I/O, the conference with talks, is seen as less so. Notice how all the comments are about the talks. Yesterday's Apple announcement was _not_ a conference, and the comment thread was about the new app. It's not the same thing at all. Here are some snippets from top-level comments in this discussion thread. > It's all business talk > I for one benefited so much from Google Developer Groups > looking forward to the event and plan to watch it > just corporate talk > alternate conference > separate conference > I can understand now why my company is less eager to send developers to events You see it, right? They're all about the talks at the conference and not the features. This HN post is specifically about the conference, that's why the title is "Google I/O 2023".
- sbuk 3y ago
  To be fair, the comments on that article were peak 'Orange Site' - the discussion seemed to be mainly around subscriptions.
- sa46 3y ago
  What does “Ceci n'est pas une pipe” mean in this context? I ended up on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images but I’m not sure what it means here.
  - beezlebroxxxxxx 3y ago
    I took it to mean: "This is not the thing it looks like." But, I agree, it's not an exact match context wise.
  - motoboi 3y ago
    You can make fine images and fine presentations, but they are not the reality. The reality is what people can really use and what really does hit the road. Right now, everything google presented in the keynote is vapourware for anyone that doesn't have access to it.
  - electroly 3y ago
actuator 3y ago
HN tends to bias towards pro Apple. You would see people doing mental gymnastics trying to defend their closed anti competitive practices, disregard for standards. I would cheer a Sennheiser/Bose more than any version of Airpods, I would rather not have a multi trillion dollar company gobble up other industries through unfair advantages. Seeing a hacker crowd do this is just beyond bizzare.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  It seems quite the opposite: HN biases towards anti-Apple, often for bizarre reasons that require lots of mental gymnastics to justify. You don’t really have to buy AirPods, there are lots of products out in the market that compete in that space. Just because Apple provides a certain product doesn’t mean you are being forced to buy it.
  - actuator 3y ago
    No one is forced to buy Airpods, but the first class integration that the product gets which others can't gives it a competitive advantage. This is besides the power to push the product through different channels to customers of iPhones, iPads etc. Another example is, no one is forced to buy Apple Music, but for sure it pops up front and center when you buy a iOS device or Mac. In fact, even when I keep removing the application from the Mac, on a version update it comes back again. It has integrations into the system and other core system apps that other products can't get and defaults matter. On top of this they will give you free subscription for 3/6 months when you buy a new device knowing full well that most customers won't bother cancelling. All of this behavior takes the air out of competitors like Spotify and is extremely anti competitive. I don't even want to get started on iCloud etc.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      > Another example is, no one is forced to buy Apple Music, but for sure it pops up front and center when you buy a iOS device or Mac. I never noticed, having never bought Apple Music before and just using spotify instead. I guess if I wanted it to run on a HomePod, I would need it? > On top of this they will give you free subscription for 3/6 months when you buy a new device knowing full well that most customers won't bother cancelling. All of this behavior takes the air out of competitors like Spotify and is extremely anti competitive. Doesn't Spotify do the same thing?
skrowl 3y ago
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frou_dh 3y ago
I would characterise the "losing their minds all day about Final Cut Pro on iPad" that went on as... moaning about subscription pricing. So not positive either.
encryptluks2 3y ago
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dzader 3y ago
I've been deep in the Google ecosystem for 10+ years and my sentiment has changed simply because their products suck now. Every offering they have is worse today than it was a year ago. Google assistant is borderline unusable in it's current state, and I used to sing it's praises from the mountain tops.
basisword 3y ago
>> Yesterday we had an Apple post where everyone was losing their minds all day about Final Cut Pro on iPad Were we reading the same thread? My take away was mostly complaints about subscriptions and people asking why you would use it on an iPad instead of a laptop. I think the problem here is that this was posted hours before the keynote - meaning there is actually nothing of value to discuss yet. Now the thread that should be about todays even is full of “back in my day” comments.
kyriakos 3y ago
I am slowly feeling like I should move on from HN. I used to find comments much more mature in the past and learned a lot. Lately I predict the general trend I'll see in the comments before even opening the page.
- amf12 3y ago
  Somehow that has been my experience as well. I used to love HN for the rational and mature comments. Now, I find more of the comments to be idealistic and biased. More of the comments are from people who don't seem to have read the linked post.
- martinpw 3y ago
  I feel the same. Comments used to be more thoughtful and nuanced, and I often found comments that changed my perspective on things. Now so many comments are massively negative and sweepingly generalize in uninteresting ways, eg just to pick a random example from replies to this current post: "Every offering they have is worse today than it was a year ago." HN should be better than this.
  - CydeWeys 3y ago
    One of my least favorite trends about how HN comments go these days is that nearly all of them are reflexively supporting the company over the employees in any sort of story involving conflict between employer/employee. It's like, goddamn, y'all can stop bootlicking for companies already, as I know most of you are employee class rather than owner class.
- pvarangot 3y ago
  I used to like it when I didn't live in the Bay and avoided all the "local news" threads because it was not interesting to me. I kinda left after I moved because I don't wanna be in a site where the consensus solution to poop on the street on some neighborhoods is basically concentration camps.
- nerdix 3y ago
  My account is new but I've been reading HN since the late 00s. There has definitely been a slow redditification of HN over the years.
maxsilver 3y ago
Final Cut Pro is a thing people already use in their workflow, becoming more convenient for them. People have depended on this as part of their production-ready workflow for over 20+ years now, and FCP-folks seem to have a lot of trust in the application and related tooling, that Apple isn't going to leave or abandon Final Cut anytime soon. Google's AI features are not something most of us use in our workflow, and are (arguably/debatably) not making anything more convenient for us. That's all in addition to it being Google, so there's a built-in assumption that no one can depend on any of this, because it might be discontinued at any point with little notice. (I say this as someone who does not own an iPhone or Mac, and has been on Android for over a decade) -- I can see why Mac folks would be excited by the Mac announcement, and why some aren't that excited by Google right now.
- Melatonic 3y ago
  Final Cut is definitely not the industry standard - most pros abandoned it after they completely rebuilt it from the ground up years ago and it sucked hard
  - lucidyan 3y ago
    Do not know about Final Cut (it's well optimized for Silicon by the way), but Logic Pro is definitely one of the music industry standards.
    - rob74 3y ago
      Since other semiconductors like Germanium aren't used to build CPUs, I would argue all current software is optimized for Silicon? SCNR...
  - elliotec 3y ago
    What is? Adobe? Davinci? My assumption was also that Final Cut Pro was _the_ one.
    - spopejoy 3y ago
joseph_grobbles 3y ago
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nr2x 3y ago
I tuned into the livestream for a minute and they were just demoing things I’ve been using in GPT for months. They’re playing catch-up, it’s boring.
- nirav72 3y ago
  >They’re playing catch-up, it’s boring. yeah, doing pretty bad at that. I just tried out Bard by asking it a question on an almost 10 year old .net library for interacting with a popular CRM platform's API. It came back with: "I can't assist you with that, as I'm only a language model and don't have the capacity to understand and respond." Went over to ChatGPT and asked it the same question in the prompt word for word. It came back with a concise explanation on how to use the library. Specifically one specific set of API calls. Bard is a joke.
  - nr2x 3y ago
    And yet the only people laughing are Altman and Nadella.
    - nirav72 3y ago
      What's even more surprising is that Google has spent almost 2 decades collecting text, image, geospatial and video data. You'd think they would be ahead of everyone in this space. With all they've spent on research - they've got nothing meaningful to show for it.
      - nr2x 3y ago
        They never figured out how to diversify away from targeted ads. All that AI prowess was mainly to figure out how to manipulate people to click on the steadily increasing number of ads. Meanwhile they gamified display ads to the point that the web slowly turned into pure clickbait so there’s nothing even left to search for - 99% of content from the last decade is dogshit. With ChatGPT my web searches are down by at least 50% and more than 80% of the ones I still do are on DuckDuckGo.
stcroixx 3y ago
HN crowd and devs should know better than most that you can’t depend on anything from Google. Kind of surprised this conference is still being held given where they are at right now.
- shmoe 3y ago
  This guy used reader.
spike021 3y ago
I don't understand the point of your comment. Are you comparing discussion of a (relatively legacy) software application to an entire developer conference with a mostly singular focus on a newer, evolving technology? I'm not trying to be an Apple apologist here but maybe this discussion would be better discussed in roughly a month when WWDC happens.
- r0m4n0 3y ago
  I’m comparing sentiment, hype, upvoting, etc on a particular topic. I think HN isn’t what it used to be but maybe that’s me having old man syndrome. People on HN are happy discussing boring apps on iPad and crapping on all things Google instead of the gold rush of new functionality driven by AI. I’ll just say I’m not the only one that thinks this judging by the response and upvotes on my observation
tlogan 3y ago
The Hacker News community are mainly "doers" - action-oriented individuals who prefer a hands-on approach. I think we yearn for opportunities to experiment with new technologies, not simply hear about their potentials. This year's Google I/O appears to be heavy on talk about new technologies, but light on tangible releases for us to explore. In order words, the true value lies not in the promise of a product, but in its practical application. So, I urge Google to present us with tools, APIs, products, we can actively engage with, rather than just talk about and endless "waiting lists".
RedditKon 3y ago
Bc none of the features are actually live yet. We keep hearing about what will be released and demos - but HN is mainly do-ers. Their launches would have 100x the impact if people could see and play with it in real time right after the announcement.

by r0m4n0 3y ago

mock-possum 3y ago

> a massive lineup of a bunch of new AI features to be announced man I don't know about everybody else but I'm pretty burned out on the never-ending deluge of AI-related chatter at this point.

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verdverm 3y ago

I'm not an Apple follower, what innovation have they produced in the last 5+ years that the sibling comments deride Google for? I would argue the TPU is far more interesting than the M1, other than that, is it not just marginal improvements on existing products?

vineyardmike 3y ago
I personally would argue the M1 is more interesting than the TPU, but I think the general answer to your question is “nothing”. Apple and google both churn out research, google maybe a bit more. Beyond that though, both of their product lines reach such a scale that requires the tech to be mature (aka no longer an innovation). Apple has really strong chip prowess, eg the M1 or the battery efficiency vs size of AirPods and AirTags. But a lot of that is resting on TSMC which anyone can contract. Google has some impressive research into things like AI, database, K8, etc - but today others seem to be catching up.
hot_gril 3y ago
Yep, neither one is really innovating, except for the examples you named. I don't know the history of TPUs vs similar ML accelerators; did Google blaze the trail on this?
VirusNewbie 3y ago
Airpods are in a category of their own. Multibillion dollar business that redefined the headphone industry
- fomine3 3y ago
  Great as a business and it's made well, but not much interesting for tech.
  - pyth0 3y ago
    I am consistently surprised by the battery life and quality of noise cancellation given their size. Although none of that is revolutionary and just improving on existing tech, I think the complete package (hardware+software integration) was leaps better than what came before.
- verdverm 3y ago
  That's a brand thing, not innovation
lancesells 3y ago
There's one thing that made Google great and it was search. It's no longer great and hasn't been for some time. I don't even think it's entirely their fault, but their brand and sentiment has taken a hit from that. Also, the data harvesting is much more common knowledge.
- verdverm 3y ago
  Apple has been increasing their own data harvesting and advertising, so same shoe different foot. Google Cloud is fantastic compared to the others. I don't know why people still go to AWS, nothing interesting has happened, it seems like very little has changed. My biggest gripes are the cookie cutter EC2 vs the flexibility of GCP VMs and the account/project switching in AWS vs GCP. Google is also one of the few companies at the forefront of AI. There is definite innovation there.

flippy_flops 3y ago

I’ll be more interested in Google’s ML when they use it as a competent spam filter for Gmail. As it stands the false positives and false negatives are baffling. Maybe it’s unfair but to me that directly reflects their ML abilities

jebarker 3y ago
I'm not denying your experience, but I have almost zero problems with the Gmail spam filter. Never false negatives and almost never false positives. I wonder why different users have different experiences with this?
- flippy_flops 3y ago
  5-10 years ago I’d agree they were very good. My suspicion is that the base spam filter is not very good but it trains on your email history and becomes better. So my “newer” gmail accounts have very poor filtering. Like I get all caps subject lines with spammy content that my grandmother would recognize as spam, but it blocks some personally written emails from other gmail accounts.
- dekhn 3y ago
  I get about one "you've been chosen! stanley tool" email every day. They all look the same. I click spam on every one. Still get 'em.

bdcravens 3y ago

This is due to Google's track record on killing products.

latchkey 3y ago
Plenty of products are still alive and kicking. AppEngine is a great example of that. Initial release date: April 7, 2008.
- bdcravens 3y ago
  No one wants to play the guessing game of which products will live and die (well, maybe those who are compulsive gambler do) https://gcemetery.co/ https://gcemetery.co/
  - latchkey 3y ago
    Ok, so nothing in about 2.5 years and some of these I wouldn't even call products. They also haven't deprecated anything on GCP since March 31, 2021. https://cloud.google.com/terms/deprecation https://cloud.google.com/terms/deprecation At the end of the day, I'm super glad they have experimented with things and it seems weird to hold that against them.
    - shmoe 3y ago
      It all goes back to reader. That's when it went sour. They eroded all trust. No one forgets that one.
      - latchkey 3y ago
        March 13, 2013, a decade ago and RSS effectively died along with it. Being upset at this for 10 years is right up there with being upset that Gopher protocol never took off.
        shmoe 3y ago

gman83 3y ago

I've noticed that the sentiment on HN tends to skew heavily against Google and more towards Apple. When I go to in-person tech meetups it's usually not at all like that. Not sure why.

revelio 3y ago
It's an expectations mismatch. Google used to be the most loved company by developers. It was confident, strong, did wonders for dev comp and gave away lots of cool stuff for free. The only way from there was down, really. Then they did a bunch of things that upset people like getting buy-in into platforms and products only to then constantly kill them off, refuse to release their AI models as APIs on the grounds that devs weren't ethically pure enough to use them, as well as doing stuff that shows a lack of confidence, mostly me-too products like GCP or Bard. Apple was never particularly loved by developers. Respected yes, tolerated yes. But they were always a bit aloof, separate, never bought into the 2010s era of free love and open source. And that's exactly the way they still are today. Apple has been remarkably stable over time, culturally speaking. It consistently meets people expectations for how it behaves, both good and bad. So there's nothing really to be disappointed about there. It is what it is.
- tenpies 3y ago
  Even outside technology, Google went from that cool "don't be evil" company, to suppressing search results so that people would vote the way Google wanted. Add a few cases of Glassholes[1], killing products people loved, and it eventually piles up. I will add though, that just because the company has lost its lustre, doesn't mean the people working there are any less talented. I just think that on a long enough timeline, Google becomes IBM[2]. --- [1] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glasshole https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glasshole [2] https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/04/hitlers-willing-business-partners/303146/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/04/hitlers...
- VirusNewbie 3y ago
  Great analysis. Stability of culture means no room to disappoint like Google.

electroly 3y ago

Ceci n'est pas une pipe. The features are exciting. Google I/O, the conference with talks, is seen as less so. Notice how all the comments are about the talks. Yesterday's Apple announcement was _not_ a conference, and the comment thread was about the new app. It's not the same thing at all. Here are some snippets from top-level comments in this discussion thread. > It's all business talk > I for one benefited so much from Google Developer Groups > looking forward to the event and plan to watch it > just corporate talk > alternate conference > separate conference > I can understand now why my company is less eager to send developers to events You see it, right? They're all about the talks at the conference and not the features. This HN post is specifically about the conference, that's why the title is "Google I/O 2023".

sbuk 3y ago
To be fair, the comments on that article were peak 'Orange Site' - the discussion seemed to be mainly around subscriptions.
sa46 3y ago
What does “Ceci n'est pas une pipe” mean in this context? I ended up on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images but I’m not sure what it means here.
- beezlebroxxxxxx 3y ago
  I took it to mean: "This is not the thing it looks like." But, I agree, it's not an exact match context wise.
- motoboi 3y ago
  You can make fine images and fine presentations, but they are not the reality. The reality is what people can really use and what really does hit the road. Right now, everything google presented in the keynote is vapourware for anyone that doesn't have access to it.
- electroly 3y ago

actuator 3y ago

HN tends to bias towards pro Apple. You would see people doing mental gymnastics trying to defend their closed anti competitive practices, disregard for standards. I would cheer a Sennheiser/Bose more than any version of Airpods, I would rather not have a multi trillion dollar company gobble up other industries through unfair advantages. Seeing a hacker crowd do this is just beyond bizzare.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
It seems quite the opposite: HN biases towards anti-Apple, often for bizarre reasons that require lots of mental gymnastics to justify. You don’t really have to buy AirPods, there are lots of products out in the market that compete in that space. Just because Apple provides a certain product doesn’t mean you are being forced to buy it.
- actuator 3y ago
  No one is forced to buy Airpods, but the first class integration that the product gets which others can't gives it a competitive advantage. This is besides the power to push the product through different channels to customers of iPhones, iPads etc. Another example is, no one is forced to buy Apple Music, but for sure it pops up front and center when you buy a iOS device or Mac. In fact, even when I keep removing the application from the Mac, on a version update it comes back again. It has integrations into the system and other core system apps that other products can't get and defaults matter. On top of this they will give you free subscription for 3/6 months when you buy a new device knowing full well that most customers won't bother cancelling. All of this behavior takes the air out of competitors like Spotify and is extremely anti competitive. I don't even want to get started on iCloud etc.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    > Another example is, no one is forced to buy Apple Music, but for sure it pops up front and center when you buy a iOS device or Mac. I never noticed, having never bought Apple Music before and just using spotify instead. I guess if I wanted it to run on a HomePod, I would need it? > On top of this they will give you free subscription for 3/6 months when you buy a new device knowing full well that most customers won't bother cancelling. All of this behavior takes the air out of competitors like Spotify and is extremely anti competitive. Doesn't Spotify do the same thing?

skrowl 3y ago

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frou_dh 3y ago

I would characterise the "losing their minds all day about Final Cut Pro on iPad" that went on as... moaning about subscription pricing. So not positive either.

encryptluks2 3y ago

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dzader 3y ago

I've been deep in the Google ecosystem for 10+ years and my sentiment has changed simply because their products suck now. Every offering they have is worse today than it was a year ago. Google assistant is borderline unusable in it's current state, and I used to sing it's praises from the mountain tops.

basisword 3y ago

>> Yesterday we had an Apple post where everyone was losing their minds all day about Final Cut Pro on iPad Were we reading the same thread? My take away was mostly complaints about subscriptions and people asking why you would use it on an iPad instead of a laptop. I think the problem here is that this was posted hours before the keynote - meaning there is actually nothing of value to discuss yet. Now the thread that should be about todays even is full of “back in my day” comments.

kyriakos 3y ago

I am slowly feeling like I should move on from HN. I used to find comments much more mature in the past and learned a lot. Lately I predict the general trend I'll see in the comments before even opening the page.

amf12 3y ago
Somehow that has been my experience as well. I used to love HN for the rational and mature comments. Now, I find more of the comments to be idealistic and biased. More of the comments are from people who don't seem to have read the linked post.
martinpw 3y ago
I feel the same. Comments used to be more thoughtful and nuanced, and I often found comments that changed my perspective on things. Now so many comments are massively negative and sweepingly generalize in uninteresting ways, eg just to pick a random example from replies to this current post: "Every offering they have is worse today than it was a year ago." HN should be better than this.
- CydeWeys 3y ago
  One of my least favorite trends about how HN comments go these days is that nearly all of them are reflexively supporting the company over the employees in any sort of story involving conflict between employer/employee. It's like, goddamn, y'all can stop bootlicking for companies already, as I know most of you are employee class rather than owner class.
pvarangot 3y ago
I used to like it when I didn't live in the Bay and avoided all the "local news" threads because it was not interesting to me. I kinda left after I moved because I don't wanna be in a site where the consensus solution to poop on the street on some neighborhoods is basically concentration camps.
nerdix 3y ago
My account is new but I've been reading HN since the late 00s. There has definitely been a slow redditification of HN over the years.

maxsilver 3y ago

Final Cut Pro is a thing people already use in their workflow, becoming more convenient for them. People have depended on this as part of their production-ready workflow for over 20+ years now, and FCP-folks seem to have a lot of trust in the application and related tooling, that Apple isn't going to leave or abandon Final Cut anytime soon. Google's AI features are not something most of us use in our workflow, and are (arguably/debatably) not making anything more convenient for us. That's all in addition to it being Google, so there's a built-in assumption that no one can depend on any of this, because it might be discontinued at any point with little notice. (I say this as someone who does not own an iPhone or Mac, and has been on Android for over a decade) -- I can see why Mac folks would be excited by the Mac announcement, and why some aren't that excited by Google right now.

Melatonic 3y ago
Final Cut is definitely not the industry standard - most pros abandoned it after they completely rebuilt it from the ground up years ago and it sucked hard
- lucidyan 3y ago
  Do not know about Final Cut (it's well optimized for Silicon by the way), but Logic Pro is definitely one of the music industry standards.
  - rob74 3y ago
    Since other semiconductors like Germanium aren't used to build CPUs, I would argue all current software is optimized for Silicon? SCNR...
- elliotec 3y ago
  What is? Adobe? Davinci? My assumption was also that Final Cut Pro was _the_ one.
  - spopejoy 3y ago

joseph_grobbles 3y ago

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nr2x 3y ago

I tuned into the livestream for a minute and they were just demoing things I’ve been using in GPT for months. They’re playing catch-up, it’s boring.

nirav72 3y ago
>They’re playing catch-up, it’s boring. yeah, doing pretty bad at that. I just tried out Bard by asking it a question on an almost 10 year old .net library for interacting with a popular CRM platform's API. It came back with: "I can't assist you with that, as I'm only a language model and don't have the capacity to understand and respond." Went over to ChatGPT and asked it the same question in the prompt word for word. It came back with a concise explanation on how to use the library. Specifically one specific set of API calls. Bard is a joke.
- nr2x 3y ago
  And yet the only people laughing are Altman and Nadella.
  - nirav72 3y ago
    What's even more surprising is that Google has spent almost 2 decades collecting text, image, geospatial and video data. You'd think they would be ahead of everyone in this space. With all they've spent on research - they've got nothing meaningful to show for it.
    - nr2x 3y ago
      They never figured out how to diversify away from targeted ads. All that AI prowess was mainly to figure out how to manipulate people to click on the steadily increasing number of ads. Meanwhile they gamified display ads to the point that the web slowly turned into pure clickbait so there’s nothing even left to search for - 99% of content from the last decade is dogshit. With ChatGPT my web searches are down by at least 50% and more than 80% of the ones I still do are on DuckDuckGo.

stcroixx 3y ago

HN crowd and devs should know better than most that you can’t depend on anything from Google. Kind of surprised this conference is still being held given where they are at right now.

shmoe 3y ago
This guy used reader.

spike021 3y ago

I don't understand the point of your comment. Are you comparing discussion of a (relatively legacy) software application to an entire developer conference with a mostly singular focus on a newer, evolving technology? I'm not trying to be an Apple apologist here but maybe this discussion would be better discussed in roughly a month when WWDC happens.

r0m4n0 3y ago
I’m comparing sentiment, hype, upvoting, etc on a particular topic. I think HN isn’t what it used to be but maybe that’s me having old man syndrome. People on HN are happy discussing boring apps on iPad and crapping on all things Google instead of the gold rush of new functionality driven by AI. I’ll just say I’m not the only one that thinks this judging by the response and upvotes on my observation

tlogan 3y ago

The Hacker News community are mainly "doers" - action-oriented individuals who prefer a hands-on approach. I think we yearn for opportunities to experiment with new technologies, not simply hear about their potentials. This year's Google I/O appears to be heavy on talk about new technologies, but light on tangible releases for us to explore. In order words, the true value lies not in the promise of a product, but in its practical application. So, I urge Google to present us with tools, APIs, products, we can actively engage with, rather than just talk about and endless "waiting lists".

RedditKon 3y ago

Bc none of the features are actually live yet. We keep hearing about what will be released and demos - but HN is mainly do-ers. Their launches would have 100x the impact if people could see and play with it in real time right after the announcement.