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Twitter won’t allow retweeting tweets linking to Substack
- olliecornelia 4y ago[flagged]
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- Veen 4y agoThat is approximately as true of Hacker News commenters as it is of Substack writers.
- olliecornelia 4y agoSure, but HN commenters aren’t trying to get paid by commenting.
- rvz 4y agoOr promoting and creating a newsletter grift on every tweet.
- Veen 4y agoI’m curious, what definition of grift are you using here? Do you consider all paid writers who promote their work to be grifters, just writers who have newsletters, or just writers who have newsletters on Substack?
- Veen 4y agoNo, we compete for community approval, the pleasure of “well actually…”, and meaningless upvotes.
- rsynnott 4y agoMuch like Twitter, then?
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- kahrl 4y agoTitter* defames news outlets by declaring them to be state-affiliated, bans links to competitors, and also HURR DURR DOGE. Enough. At this point its on every one of us for spreading this shit like a terrible chain email from the 90s.
- asynchronous 4y agoDon’t worry, everyone made a big show about how they’re moving to Mastodon remember? If only 5% of the energy used to complain about Twitter was used to improve the FOSS options in the market.
- giraffe_lady 4y agoThe fact that people would rather complain about twitter than work on FOSS says more about FOSS than it does about the complainers.
- JohnFen 4y agoOr perhaps it says that developers don't constitute the majority of twitter users.
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- slig 4y agoI still remember the meme that it wouldn't survive the weekend after the layoffs.
- guelo 4y agoThe Mastodon transition had a chance until Elon banned it.
- lanstin 4y agoIt is still growing steadily and is a fun place, especially for software folks. Good emacs conversations, lot of interesting and more data driven GPT conversations. Good maths community. Ok news tho not quite as good as twitter yet.
- humanistbot 4y agoSomeone find that Musk tweet before the acquisition where he says something like successful products don't have to put up barriers to stop customers from leaving. Didn't he promise to resign as CEO once he found a replacement? How's that going? Edit: Yes, this is the right one [1]: "The acid test for any two competing socioeconomic systems is which side needs to build a wall to keep people from escaping? That’s the bad one!" [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1533616384747442176 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1533616384747442176
- kulahan 4y agoI believe he said he was aiming to have a new CEO running the company by the end of the year, so I wouldn't expect any quick moves.
- ZeroGravitas 4y agoWasn't that tweet from someone critizing Musk the last time he did something like this?
- mikeyouse 4y agoYeah, I think this is the context for that -- the 'dunks' in the replies are from when he banned outbound links to Mastodon or including your Mastodon handle in your profile. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1533616384747442176 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1533616384747442176
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- revelio 4y agoI emailed Twitter's official press email address, press@twitter.com, for comment. Twitter automatically replies to all emails at that account with the message "<poop emoji>" Jesus Christ. It's a literal shit-show.
- rootusrootus 4y agoFor a few days there I was getting a poop emoji on redirects within Twitter instead of the blue bird. Back to normal now. Edit: No, it was doge. I was misremembering.
- notatoad 4y agothat was their april fools joke. they did it on the 3rd because the guys who know how to deploy don't work weekends
- andai 4y agoLast few days I'm getting the doge.
- rootusrootus 4y agoNow that you mention it, maybe that's what I was getting, and I was misremembering. Doge sounds right.
- nluken 4y agoI don't know why anyone still bothers with twitter at this point. I got off the site in December and my quality of life has noticeably improved, which surprised me because I didn't think a single social media site could have that big an impact.
- fandorin 4y agoI left even a bit earlier - Oct 2022 and man, what a good decision that was. Huge instant positive impact on the quality of life - i’m reading more stuff that has some value instead of shitstorms, long and unispring threads and always the same memes. I’m not going back.
- slowmovintarget 4y agoIt's like quitting alcohol. You miss it for a while, and every know and again you have urges to go back, but you know you're better without it.
- WindyLakeReturn 4y agoGiven the extent that alcohol related establishments serve as the third space for young adults, at least in stereotypical US culture, I do wonder if there is a point where increasingly avoiding alcohol becomes detrimental. I'm thinking not merely bars, but social drinks with coworkers after work (with a chance of informal skip levels), social events where alcohol is a main attraction, and even college organizations where alcohol access (often before 21) is a primary motivator to join.
- rhaway84773 4y agoWhen I wasn’t drinking, I was able to participate in 3rd places just fine while getting a club soda with lime. Most people didn’t really care. The only reason I carried the club soda was because I didn’t want to explain for the 100th time why I wasnt drinking. And there’s always that one guy pushing you to drink even if you don’t want it, in which case the club soda basically looks like a vodka soda. Of course that’s not a valid strategy if you have a problem with alcohol, and cannot be around it. But it’s useful if you just don’t like drinking but would still like to participate socially. The only problem is that once people get kind of drunk you have to be really drunk yourself to find them tolerable. Drunk people are extremely boring if you’re sober. And there’s an easy solution there too. Just leave early.
- m3kw9 4y agoDoesn’t help that Substack decides to attempt a description of what it is after a mile of scrolling. And I still don’t get how it could rival twitter
- zdragnar 4y agoSubstack isn't really for you, the consumer, but for the author who is hosted there
- praisewhitey 4y agoI assume this will be reversed in a day or two like the ban on linking to other social media, but it does serve as a reminder how dependent on twitter independent writers are for building their audience.
- atlasunshrugged 4y agoWhat a wild move, I wonder if this exposes them to legal issues around antitrust
- rvz 4y agoI would have agreed with you if you where talking about Meta. Twitter is not even close and it is no where near an ‘anti-trust’ case since its entire existence, both before and after the takeover.
- galleywest200 4y agoAnti-competitive claims may be more realistic. But yes this is not a "monopoly" issue.
- mdturnerphys 4y agoHere's the Substack announcement of their new Notes feature that's referenced in the article as being a likely cause for this (or maybe Musk is just being Musk): https://on.substack.com/p/introducing-notes https://on.substack.com/p/introducing-notes Edit: Correcting to acknowledge this is in the first paragraph of the article. Doh!
- somsak2 4y agothis is mentioned in the second sentence of the linked article.
- mdturnerphys 4y agoขอบคุณครับคุณสมศักดิ์ Glad someone called me out on not reading the article. I'll do better next time.
- spyder 4y agoOnly reading titles, huh? It's in the first paragraph of the article...
- hairofadog 4y agoAt some point even the people saying "I don't like Twitter but I have to use it for work" will discover that they can't use it for work because of policies like this. I wonder what Musk thinks is valuable about Twitter, if not the ability to share one's work or to discuss what's going on in other parts of the internet?
- seattle_spring 4y agoIt's comedy gold that some people are still breathlessly claiming that Musk is some warrior for defending free speech
- somsak2 4y agowho is?
- stainablesteel 4y agomaybe hes not perfect, but hes doing better than other platforms that censor you for political opinions
- seattle_spring 4y agoYou mean better than Gab, Truth Social, Frank, and Parlour?
- paulgb 4y agoIt appears that you can't even "like" a post containing the word "substack", which has the effect of suppressing discussion of the fact that substack is shadow-banned on twitter. Edit: tedunangst correctly points out that the tweet in question also contained a link to substack (though to documentation, not a newsletter) https://twitter.com/paulgb/status/1644336599914651649 https://twitter.com/paulgb/status/1644336599914651649 So is anyone around still willing to defend Elon Musk's “freedom of speech includes speech I don't like” promise, or has everyone admitted that that was all a farce?
- paxys 4y agoThe hardest thing in the world is to get a stubborn person to admit they were wrong. They will double and triple and quadruple down on their stance even if they themselves are hurting because of it. This really describes the entire American political climate right now.
- api 4y agoIt’s worse. The various cults of the American political landscape seem to almost delight in being stubbornly wrong as long as it angers the other side. The goal is to own the libs, offend the fundies, troll the MAGAts, trigger the boomers, whatever. People just want to fight. The ideas seem like a side show. Maybe it’s all just a pressure valve for rage over rapid change and socioeconomic uncertainty.
- dotcoma 4y agoI live in Italy a it’s more or less the same here.
- libsarescum 4y ago[dead]
- kgwxd 4y agoPeople existing: ... People mad certain people exist: We will directly violate your rights every chance we get! People existing: You can't do that, we'll fight back. People mad certain people exist: Help! We're being oppressed! Some people want to fight, some people need to defend themselves from those people.
- jakelazaroff 4y agoI realize it's way funnier if this is intentional (especially because of this tweet [1] from a former Substack VP) but it feels like it's probably a bug. [1] https://twitter.com/lulumeservey/status/1511376638487019524?s=20 https://twitter.com/lulumeservey/status/1511376638487019524?...
- zerocrates 4y agoAs the article states, Substack just introduced basically a Twitter clone; this sure reads as purposeful retaliation. I wouldn't totally rule out a bug, some overzealous filter from trying to block one specific Substack site, but I wouldn't call it the most likely possibility either.
- Overtonwindow 4y agoWhen something is so blatantly unfair/anticompetitive without comment, one can only assume the intentions are clear.
- fsckboy 4y agothey're not clear to me, and all of the comments I've seen here are way wide of the mark, elucidate please: what are Twitter's intentions here?
- jeffbee 4y agoThe positive outcome of the Musk-Twitter fiasco is clarifying the division between people who can see Musk for who he is, and the witless dupes who continue to defend him.
- tomp 4y agoWell he did prove the company is overstaffed by like 300%. So clearly he’s an exceptional leader & manager. Doesn’t mean that all his decisions about the direction he’s leading to, are “correct” (a.k.a. I or you agree with them).
- jeffbee 4y agoHow has that been proven? It was basically breaking even before. Now with the smaller staff it’s hemorrhaging money.
- summerlight 4y agoActually he did prove the company was not overstaffed. A good number of reports suggests that he doesn't like the outcome of mass layoff as he begins to appreciate the system's complexity. The system is barely running itself since he is not even able to touch the core infrastructure but just tuning the knob. Of course, this is the feat of (former) engineers, not Musk himself.
- freejazz 4y agoHe can't even serve his customers' demands because he fired all the "email girls".
- HopenHeyHi 4y agoAre we in middle school?
- whiddershins 4y agoI think this is already fixed.
- nickstinemates 4y agoSlippery slope. One could now argue that any illegal or illicit content is now a tacit endorsement by Twitter because it is not removing likes from that content.
- rurp 4y agoThe era of free speech absolutism on Twitter sure has added a lot of restrictions on speech.
- Laaas 4y agoImagine living in a Mars colony ruled by Elon.
- zeta0134 4y agoWell on the plus, Substack Notes sounds _pretty nifty._ Maybe I should consider moving my technical blog over there, give the platform a whirl. I wouldn't have heard about it were it not for twitter's scandal.
- epups 4y agoAt least in my feed, Substack authors are a major drive of content and engagement. Even the guys who did the Twitter files all monetize through Substack. This looks like another shot in the foot from Musk.
- Pxtl 4y ago> By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law. > I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law. > If people want less free speech, they will ask government to pass laws to that effect. > Therefore, going beyond the law is contrary to the will of the people. Elon Musk one year ago. https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376?lang=en https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/15190369831375093...
- erickhill 4y agoCould you use a link redirecting/shortener service, like Tiny URL, to mask the fact something links to substack?
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- seydor 4y agoI thought that Musk should have bought Substack and add a twitter feed. Much better fit for his 'freedom of speech' Now it seems substack has no option than to launch a twitter competitor. And ther is no better advertisement than this. When can i join?
- walt74 4y agoSeems to be only for the US, i'm in germany and can retweet and like (my own) tweets featuring substack-links.
- tric 4y agoCan you like this tweet? https://twitter.com/SubstackInc/status/1644409243989155841 https://twitter.com/SubstackInc/status/1644409243989155841
- xnx 4y agoThis is probably the best possible marketing (via Streisand Effect) that Substack could hope for. The Hacker News posts about Notes (https://on.substack.com/p/introducing-notes https://on.substack.com/p/introducing-notes) haven't gotten any traction.
- ModernMech 4y agoYou know it's bad when even Matt Taibbi is leaving: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1644431125463351298 https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1644431125463351298
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- fsckboy 4y agotwitter was a cesspool of political censorship and active and even coordinated propaganda before Musk, and I don't remember hearing much about it on HN. I have a good idea where the sentiments of all the these latter day complainers lie. Yes, exactly, they lie. :)
- winrid 4y agoOn another note - surprised that Substack doesn't have pagination for their comments. I guess it really is early days for them.
- timdaub 4y agoFarcaster and web3 fixes this, but all of your identities are so overloaded with past web3 hate that you‘ll never be able to admit it