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It's misleading to lump violent crime and property crime together. SF is skewed very heavily towards property crime. This stabbing incident is a rare event, and

It's misleading to lump violent crime and property crime together. SF is skewed very heavily towards property crime. This stabbing incident is a rare event, and broken auto glass is common. They're not the same.

Ekaros 4y ago
Both from outside USA seem insane. Broken auto glasses are extremely rare here. Stabbings sometimes, but nearly always not in public but in homes between junkies drinking ethanol. Not on streets like this case.
- augment001 4y ago
  Broken auto glass is pretty much the default in SF if you leave anything at all visible in a parked car. Pretty much anyone I’ve ever spoken to has had it happen to them, and it happened to me 3 times. This is because there is simply no law enforcement response. On the other hand stabbings and murder are taken very seriously by law enforcement.
  - BurningFrog 4y ago
    Here in Oakland, the saying is that OPD doesn't come out unless there is a body.
  - operatingthetan 4y ago
    >This is because there is simply no law enforcement response. You're expecting the police to show up in a 60 second window? Do you realize how little time it takes to smash a window and leave?
    - throwaway049 4y ago
      What part of their post indicated that expectation?
      - operatingthetan 4y ago
        They suggested that the break-ins occur because there is no police response. Police response would not stop break-ins in any city. Say I came to your car in the middle of the night and left a strange note on it and then walked away. Do you think there is any way that you could find me with no clues about who I am?
        augment001 4y ago
        You’ve completely misunderstood. My comment said nothing about preventing car break-ins. I was pointing out that car break-ins are treated very differently from violent crime. If there is an inference to be drawn, I’d say it is that we should not act as if the two kinds of crime are equivalent.
    - lebed2045 4y ago
      The most unthought response I see every time. “But what you expect cop gonna do”? There are millions things they could do if given insensitive. Imagine a startup that get paid for every busted criminal? Put a honey pot, install cameras, track license plates. It can be resolved in matters of weeks.
      - operatingthetan 4y ago
        People breaking into cars in your area are driving to their thefts? In cities they just walk down the street looking for targets of opportunity. You think that a few honey pots and cameras will slow them down? Imaginative but unrealistic thinking. Someone stole some wood from my yard, and I have them on camera. What am I supposed to do with their image? How do you suggest I find them? Is it worth my billing rate to walk around the neighborhood with their image asking people where they might be for $30 worth of wood? Say we have a database of petty criminals, if I find them do you think they have the assets to pay for the glass and items from an auto break-in? The economic incentives are not aligned for a moonshot on stopping petty property crime.
        projectazorian 4y ago
        And even if your random smash-and-grab thief does get busted, he's just going to be back on the street in a week or two. The US criminal justice system is not set up to handle these sorts of offenders, most of whom probably just require detox and social services.
        floren 4y ago
        > People breaking into cars in your area are driving to their thefts? In cities they just walk down the street looking for targets of opportunity. I assumed the same but based on reporting I've seen on SF local news, at least some of them are doing it out of cars. Pull up next to a likely target, dude jumps out of the passenger seat and takes a quick look, smash & grab if there's anything good, drive off.
        whimsicalism 4y ago
        > People breaking into cars in your area are driving to their thefts? In cities they just walk down the street looking for targets of opportunity. I've lived in multiple cities and can say that this is wrong. I find that generally most people imagine these thefts are being done by homeless people on the streets but it's usually actually organized gangs driving in from Oakland. Same thing when I lived in DC, organized criminals driving in from SE DC to rob the rich neighborhoods.
  - PicassoCTs 4y ago
    All it takes is ninja rocks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja_rocks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja_rocks
- FanaHOVA 4y ago
  Yea crazy. There definitely weren't 261 stabbing homicides in England last year. And my car wasn't broken into every other month in Rome. Nope. Just a USA thing. Everywhere else is a heaven.
  - alasdair_ 4y ago
    55 murders in a population of 850,000 is a hell of a worse rate than 261 in 56 million. It's the difference between 1 in 15,000 and 1 in over 200,000.
    - ribosometronome 4y ago
      Isn't that really a gun problem, though? If you start looking at violent crime in general, the US may actually be lower. It's just way easier for us to murder each other. See places like https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2013/jun/24/blog-posting/social-media-post-says-uk-has-far-higher-violent-c/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2013/jun/24/blog-posti... which state, with lots of asterisks about why this comparison is difficult and likely not telling the complete story, that: >For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people. >For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
- no-dr-onboard 4y ago
  > Both from outside USA seem insane. I see this a lot on the internet and comments like this are not as relevant as you might think. Saying place X is better off than place Y is often an incongruent comparison followed by similar fallacies. Y'all, each place is unique and faces a long and considerable history as to how they got there and the type of people that have and currently do live there. I can't even begin to recall the number of times I heard this type of comparison during the Obama administration. America is not similar to Sweden, Finland, Germany, Japan or Canada.
  - xiphias2 4y ago
    Crime and health statistics are mostly depending on economic situation of a country (money per person). US is an outlier in both (especially health spending vs average life expectency)
    - trafficante 4y ago
      Just want to note that US life expectancy is all over the place; much like with nearly every other national comparison statistic, the US average is largely a useless thing to compare to other countries. For example: here in the Pacific Northwest, we’re neck and neck with chart-topping Japan for life expectancy - while most of the Deep South has a life expectancy roughly in-line with the average Iraqi. Yes, America is an Odd Place.
  - Supermancho 4y ago
    > America is not similar to Sweden, Finland, Germany, Japan or Canada. Except for, you know, they are each an organization of humans with access to technology and other cultures. Maybe there's something to be learned.
    - profeaturo 4y ago
      As long as what you learn complies with the regime idealogy. Europe is a nicer place to live for now, but that’s more in spite of Europeans’ politics than because of it. There’s no significant difference in thought between the typical American liberal progressive and his European counterpart. Now that Europeans have sufficiently Americanized they’ll soon discover that the problems america faces now are in fact universal to all diverse liberal democracies.
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  It depends on where you live, but the massive wealth inequality in the US coupled with the ripped social safety net means that not only are people pretty incentivized to steal what they need / want from those who have, but those who have can replace it quite quickly (often with just the inconvenience of some insurance wrangling). So for the vast majority of property crime, the victim ultimately ends up being the insurance premium, and everybody involved kind of knows this, even if they don't say it outright.
  - screye 4y ago
    The worst affected cities have the widest safety nets. These kinds of crimes are fairly low in towns in Mississippi ravaged by worse poverty and with their own (painkillers) drug problems. The nature of the drugs (fentanyl), the manifestation (homelessness) and the enforcement (or lack there of) are central to the problem faced here. It is not a US problem. It is not a west problem. It is not a city problem. It is an urban-west-coast-city problem.
    - briantakita 4y ago
      I don't know if you've seen any videos of Kensington Ave in Philadelphia, but it's shocking. Chicago & St Louis also have major issues with murder. This is an urban east coast & urban mid-west problem as well.
  - screye 4y ago
    The worst affected cities have the widest safety nets. These kinds of crimes are fairly low in towns in Mississippi ravaged by worse poverty and with their own (painkillers) drug problems. The nature of the drugs (fentanyl), the manifestation (homelessness) and the enforcement (or lack there of) are central to the problem faced here. It is not a US problem. It is not a west problem. It is not a city problem. It is an urban-US-west-coast-city problem.
    - shadowgovt 4y ago
      It's primarily driven by wealth inequality, not poverty. Who is someone going to steal from in Mississippi? Their also-poor neighbor who's got nothing worth stealing? The median income is around $25k in that state.
- hcks 4y ago
  Yeah I agree, here outside USA there is no such things. It’s totally an American craziness.
- ericmcer 4y ago
  It is just in cities, and specifically in SF/Oakland. Smashing a car window is not really going to be punished in any way in those cities, at most they will take you in and release you within 24 hours. Most likely police will not bother, even if they witness it occurring. When I was younger and walked around at night me and my friends would get mugged fairly regularly (~6X over 4 years) and the police would maybe show up 24 hours later at a random time. One time I even had a clip from a gun the dudes dropped as they were running away (it was empty) and the police never came and took it. I probably still have it around somewhere. I moved to the suburbs recently and it is amazing being able to park and walk around without being afraid of break ins or muggings.
  - asveikau 4y ago
    It's important to note that violent crime in the United States has been at a low for about 29 years. I don't know how old you are, but for me, "feeling unsafe when you were younger" is a pretty meaningless observation with respect to present reality. Speaking personally, I feel totally safe in San Francisco parks with my children; we've got a lot of peaceful, blissful parks in this city, which in my understanding is substantially safer than it was in the 90s.
    - rabuse 4y ago
      This is called "coping" with your reality. Doesn't remove the fact that your city is still statistically unsafe.
      - asveikau 4y ago
        San Francisco isn't anywhere near the top of US cities by violent crime. You've been taken in by a lot of false media narratives. Trump said his bit about "American Carnage in our cities" and set about this revival of the tough on crime rhetoric from the 80s and 90s, a time when violent crime was much higher than today. Your position is not backed by the statistics.
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- briantakita 4y ago
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  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > The insanity is primarily contained in Democrat controlled cities. Murder rates are higher in Republican-led states. And we have a dual-sovereignty model (federal/state), cities aren’t sovereign entities, and state governments can and do interfere without limit in their government. > Many people are leaving California due to this insanity. People are leaving California largely because (1) they’ve made out well from the economic success of the state and can live luxuriously elsewhere on their savings, or (2) they haven’t participated in the economic success, and are squeezed out by the effect that success has on in-state prices. (1) is a non-problem, (2) is a real problem, but one that the state is finally taking significant action on (targeting housing, particularly), having generally left it to local governments who have failed to act (before about the last decade, that wasn’t as much an active state policy choice as the fact that the combination of Constitutional supermajority requirements for the state budget plus minority party obstructionism had made the state effectively ungovernable for decades, once that was swept away there were a lot of issues to address.)
    - briantakita 4y ago
      > Murder rates are higher in Republican-led states With the highest murder rates being in the Democrat controlled cities in the otherwise Republican State. Again, most of the country is wide open spaces with mostly friendly people. The period of the Pandemic & lockdown also had a high increase in violence. > People are leaving California largely because (1) they’ve made out well from the economic success of the state and can live luxuriously elsewhere on their savings, or (2) they haven’t participated in the economic success, and are squeezed out by the effect that success has on in-state prices. So if you make money in California, the great weather, social networks, & the business opportunities are not enough to offset the downsides? If you don't make enough money in California, the cost of living is higher than other states. California is a large state. Why is the cost of living, including the rural areas, so high there? How does the Purchasing Parity in California compare to other states?
darth_avocado 4y ago
From personal experience, people don’t even report property and violent crime anymore in SF. The rate of property crime is way more than those statistics say.
- outside1234 4y ago
  I report mine - and you should too! In my experience SF Police are extremely on it. They caught the suspect in my case based on Nest video camera footage.
  - mwint 4y ago
    My neighbor’s car was stolen, he knew where it was to within meters from the tracker, in Oakland. SF police and Oakland police bounced him back and forth until they eventually found the car on their own, totaled, after being used in a crime.
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  - bdekoz 4y ago
    LOL where do you live? SFPD in the Mission is useless: they came to a property theft and told the residents to watch youtube videos about how thieves are opening garage doors, issued a perfunctory report for insurance, and left. No -- none, zilch -- attempt to find the perpetrators. Total time on site was less than 5 minutes. They were scared to be out of their cruiser and on the actual sidewalks!!! SFPD's office is a a mere 3 blocks from the BART/16th street open-air drug market, there is very rarely a police officer on site. Another 3 blocks away, Capp street, just got closed to auto traffic by SF politicians because the police were so incompetent that it was becoming a fire risk (for SFFD vehicles on 19th). They cannot even police their immediate vicinity! SFPD mostly are known for zooming around in their SUV cruisers in packs of two, blocking traffic, shooting at the unhoused, and ignoring traffic violations. This after arriving in caravans of police SUV cars (at least 3!) with lights blazing, streets on which mission residents walk every day unarmed. Completely useless. I've seen one cop walking patrol on the central mission sidewalks in 11 years. SFPD mission station is so afraid of the people they are ostensibly there to protect that they barricaded themselves from the street for 3 years after the BML marches. Should be completely disbanded and rebuilt from the ground up to be a violent crime unit only, with traffic, property, unhoused, responses going to another entity entirely. Since the SF homeless outreach campaign went into effect I've felt much safter walking around the mission. More of that, less of SFPD. Is there even a vice squad? SFPD doesn't care about sex trafficking. SFPD leadership should be publicly accountable and subject to recall. Looking at you William Scott.
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xiphias2 4y ago
Maybe SF was skewed towards property crime, but attracting all types of criminals at this point. It's not hard to imagine SF being a great place to locate to for violant criminals as well.
mrangle 4y ago
"Rare" isn't a relevant descriptor when speaking of correlative crime. Non-violent and violent crime rates are correlated. More of one class means more of the other. Though, environments that are different than anywhere else, like NYC, will tend to show a differing correlative relationship.
- asveikau 4y ago
  > Non-violent and violent crime rates are correlated. Show some evidence of this. I just gave you a counter example. Property crime is huge in SF and it never gets anywhere near the "most violent cities in America" lists, it's well below its weight in that regard. Here's a quick googling for such a list, notice the absence of San Francisco: https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-violent-cities-in-america https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-viol...
biggoodwolf 4y ago
It's not misleading, the solution is the same.

Ekaros 4y ago

Both from outside USA seem insane. Broken auto glasses are extremely rare here. Stabbings sometimes, but nearly always not in public but in homes between junkies drinking ethanol. Not on streets like this case.

augment001 4y ago
Broken auto glass is pretty much the default in SF if you leave anything at all visible in a parked car. Pretty much anyone I’ve ever spoken to has had it happen to them, and it happened to me 3 times. This is because there is simply no law enforcement response. On the other hand stabbings and murder are taken very seriously by law enforcement.
- BurningFrog 4y ago
  Here in Oakland, the saying is that OPD doesn't come out unless there is a body.
- operatingthetan 4y ago
  >This is because there is simply no law enforcement response. You're expecting the police to show up in a 60 second window? Do you realize how little time it takes to smash a window and leave?
  - throwaway049 4y ago
    What part of their post indicated that expectation?
    - operatingthetan 4y ago
      They suggested that the break-ins occur because there is no police response. Police response would not stop break-ins in any city. Say I came to your car in the middle of the night and left a strange note on it and then walked away. Do you think there is any way that you could find me with no clues about who I am?
      - augment001 4y ago
        You’ve completely misunderstood. My comment said nothing about preventing car break-ins. I was pointing out that car break-ins are treated very differently from violent crime. If there is an inference to be drawn, I’d say it is that we should not act as if the two kinds of crime are equivalent.
  - lebed2045 4y ago
    The most unthought response I see every time. “But what you expect cop gonna do”? There are millions things they could do if given insensitive. Imagine a startup that get paid for every busted criminal? Put a honey pot, install cameras, track license plates. It can be resolved in matters of weeks.
    - operatingthetan 4y ago
      People breaking into cars in your area are driving to their thefts? In cities they just walk down the street looking for targets of opportunity. You think that a few honey pots and cameras will slow them down? Imaginative but unrealistic thinking. Someone stole some wood from my yard, and I have them on camera. What am I supposed to do with their image? How do you suggest I find them? Is it worth my billing rate to walk around the neighborhood with their image asking people where they might be for $30 worth of wood? Say we have a database of petty criminals, if I find them do you think they have the assets to pay for the glass and items from an auto break-in? The economic incentives are not aligned for a moonshot on stopping petty property crime.
      - projectazorian 4y ago
        And even if your random smash-and-grab thief does get busted, he's just going to be back on the street in a week or two. The US criminal justice system is not set up to handle these sorts of offenders, most of whom probably just require detox and social services.
      - floren 4y ago
        > People breaking into cars in your area are driving to their thefts? In cities they just walk down the street looking for targets of opportunity. I assumed the same but based on reporting I've seen on SF local news, at least some of them are doing it out of cars. Pull up next to a likely target, dude jumps out of the passenger seat and takes a quick look, smash & grab if there's anything good, drive off.
      - whimsicalism 4y ago
        > People breaking into cars in your area are driving to their thefts? In cities they just walk down the street looking for targets of opportunity. I've lived in multiple cities and can say that this is wrong. I find that generally most people imagine these thefts are being done by homeless people on the streets but it's usually actually organized gangs driving in from Oakland. Same thing when I lived in DC, organized criminals driving in from SE DC to rob the rich neighborhoods.
- PicassoCTs 4y ago
  All it takes is ninja rocks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja_rocks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja_rocks
FanaHOVA 4y ago
Yea crazy. There definitely weren't 261 stabbing homicides in England last year. And my car wasn't broken into every other month in Rome. Nope. Just a USA thing. Everywhere else is a heaven.
- alasdair_ 4y ago
  55 murders in a population of 850,000 is a hell of a worse rate than 261 in 56 million. It's the difference between 1 in 15,000 and 1 in over 200,000.
  - ribosometronome 4y ago
    Isn't that really a gun problem, though? If you start looking at violent crime in general, the US may actually be lower. It's just way easier for us to murder each other. See places like https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2013/jun/24/blog-posting/social-media-post-says-uk-has-far-higher-violent-c/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2013/jun/24/blog-posti... which state, with lots of asterisks about why this comparison is difficult and likely not telling the complete story, that: >For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people. >For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
no-dr-onboard 4y ago
> Both from outside USA seem insane. I see this a lot on the internet and comments like this are not as relevant as you might think. Saying place X is better off than place Y is often an incongruent comparison followed by similar fallacies. Y'all, each place is unique and faces a long and considerable history as to how they got there and the type of people that have and currently do live there. I can't even begin to recall the number of times I heard this type of comparison during the Obama administration. America is not similar to Sweden, Finland, Germany, Japan or Canada.
- xiphias2 4y ago
  Crime and health statistics are mostly depending on economic situation of a country (money per person). US is an outlier in both (especially health spending vs average life expectency)
  - trafficante 4y ago
    Just want to note that US life expectancy is all over the place; much like with nearly every other national comparison statistic, the US average is largely a useless thing to compare to other countries. For example: here in the Pacific Northwest, we’re neck and neck with chart-topping Japan for life expectancy - while most of the Deep South has a life expectancy roughly in-line with the average Iraqi. Yes, America is an Odd Place.
- Supermancho 4y ago
  > America is not similar to Sweden, Finland, Germany, Japan or Canada. Except for, you know, they are each an organization of humans with access to technology and other cultures. Maybe there's something to be learned.
  - profeaturo 4y ago
    As long as what you learn complies with the regime idealogy. Europe is a nicer place to live for now, but that’s more in spite of Europeans’ politics than because of it. There’s no significant difference in thought between the typical American liberal progressive and his European counterpart. Now that Europeans have sufficiently Americanized they’ll soon discover that the problems america faces now are in fact universal to all diverse liberal democracies.
shadowgovt 4y ago
It depends on where you live, but the massive wealth inequality in the US coupled with the ripped social safety net means that not only are people pretty incentivized to steal what they need / want from those who have, but those who have can replace it quite quickly (often with just the inconvenience of some insurance wrangling). So for the vast majority of property crime, the victim ultimately ends up being the insurance premium, and everybody involved kind of knows this, even if they don't say it outright.
- screye 4y ago
  The worst affected cities have the widest safety nets. These kinds of crimes are fairly low in towns in Mississippi ravaged by worse poverty and with their own (painkillers) drug problems. The nature of the drugs (fentanyl), the manifestation (homelessness) and the enforcement (or lack there of) are central to the problem faced here. It is not a US problem. It is not a west problem. It is not a city problem. It is an urban-west-coast-city problem.
  - briantakita 4y ago
    I don't know if you've seen any videos of Kensington Ave in Philadelphia, but it's shocking. Chicago & St Louis also have major issues with murder. This is an urban east coast & urban mid-west problem as well.
- screye 4y ago
  The worst affected cities have the widest safety nets. These kinds of crimes are fairly low in towns in Mississippi ravaged by worse poverty and with their own (painkillers) drug problems. The nature of the drugs (fentanyl), the manifestation (homelessness) and the enforcement (or lack there of) are central to the problem faced here. It is not a US problem. It is not a west problem. It is not a city problem. It is an urban-US-west-coast-city problem.
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    It's primarily driven by wealth inequality, not poverty. Who is someone going to steal from in Mississippi? Their also-poor neighbor who's got nothing worth stealing? The median income is around $25k in that state.
hcks 4y ago
Yeah I agree, here outside USA there is no such things. It’s totally an American craziness.
ericmcer 4y ago
It is just in cities, and specifically in SF/Oakland. Smashing a car window is not really going to be punished in any way in those cities, at most they will take you in and release you within 24 hours. Most likely police will not bother, even if they witness it occurring. When I was younger and walked around at night me and my friends would get mugged fairly regularly (~6X over 4 years) and the police would maybe show up 24 hours later at a random time. One time I even had a clip from a gun the dudes dropped as they were running away (it was empty) and the police never came and took it. I probably still have it around somewhere. I moved to the suburbs recently and it is amazing being able to park and walk around without being afraid of break ins or muggings.
- asveikau 4y ago
  It's important to note that violent crime in the United States has been at a low for about 29 years. I don't know how old you are, but for me, "feeling unsafe when you were younger" is a pretty meaningless observation with respect to present reality. Speaking personally, I feel totally safe in San Francisco parks with my children; we've got a lot of peaceful, blissful parks in this city, which in my understanding is substantially safer than it was in the 90s.
  - rabuse 4y ago
    This is called "coping" with your reality. Doesn't remove the fact that your city is still statistically unsafe.
    - asveikau 4y ago
      San Francisco isn't anywhere near the top of US cities by violent crime. You've been taken in by a lot of false media narratives. Trump said his bit about "American Carnage in our cities" and set about this revival of the tough on crime rhetoric from the 80s and 90s, a time when violent crime was much higher than today. Your position is not backed by the statistics.
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- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > The insanity is primarily contained in Democrat controlled cities. Murder rates are higher in Republican-led states. And we have a dual-sovereignty model (federal/state), cities aren’t sovereign entities, and state governments can and do interfere without limit in their government. > Many people are leaving California due to this insanity. People are leaving California largely because (1) they’ve made out well from the economic success of the state and can live luxuriously elsewhere on their savings, or (2) they haven’t participated in the economic success, and are squeezed out by the effect that success has on in-state prices. (1) is a non-problem, (2) is a real problem, but one that the state is finally taking significant action on (targeting housing, particularly), having generally left it to local governments who have failed to act (before about the last decade, that wasn’t as much an active state policy choice as the fact that the combination of Constitutional supermajority requirements for the state budget plus minority party obstructionism had made the state effectively ungovernable for decades, once that was swept away there were a lot of issues to address.)
  - briantakita 4y ago
    > Murder rates are higher in Republican-led states With the highest murder rates being in the Democrat controlled cities in the otherwise Republican State. Again, most of the country is wide open spaces with mostly friendly people. The period of the Pandemic & lockdown also had a high increase in violence. > People are leaving California largely because (1) they’ve made out well from the economic success of the state and can live luxuriously elsewhere on their savings, or (2) they haven’t participated in the economic success, and are squeezed out by the effect that success has on in-state prices. So if you make money in California, the great weather, social networks, & the business opportunities are not enough to offset the downsides? If you don't make enough money in California, the cost of living is higher than other states. California is a large state. Why is the cost of living, including the rural areas, so high there? How does the Purchasing Parity in California compare to other states?

darth_avocado 4y ago

From personal experience, people don’t even report property and violent crime anymore in SF. The rate of property crime is way more than those statistics say.

outside1234 4y ago
I report mine - and you should too! In my experience SF Police are extremely on it. They caught the suspect in my case based on Nest video camera footage.
- mwint 4y ago
  My neighbor’s car was stolen, he knew where it was to within meters from the tracker, in Oakland. SF police and Oakland police bounced him back and forth until they eventually found the car on their own, totaled, after being used in a crime.
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- bdekoz 4y ago
  LOL where do you live? SFPD in the Mission is useless: they came to a property theft and told the residents to watch youtube videos about how thieves are opening garage doors, issued a perfunctory report for insurance, and left. No -- none, zilch -- attempt to find the perpetrators. Total time on site was less than 5 minutes. They were scared to be out of their cruiser and on the actual sidewalks!!! SFPD's office is a a mere 3 blocks from the BART/16th street open-air drug market, there is very rarely a police officer on site. Another 3 blocks away, Capp street, just got closed to auto traffic by SF politicians because the police were so incompetent that it was becoming a fire risk (for SFFD vehicles on 19th). They cannot even police their immediate vicinity! SFPD mostly are known for zooming around in their SUV cruisers in packs of two, blocking traffic, shooting at the unhoused, and ignoring traffic violations. This after arriving in caravans of police SUV cars (at least 3!) with lights blazing, streets on which mission residents walk every day unarmed. Completely useless. I've seen one cop walking patrol on the central mission sidewalks in 11 years. SFPD mission station is so afraid of the people they are ostensibly there to protect that they barricaded themselves from the street for 3 years after the BML marches. Should be completely disbanded and rebuilt from the ground up to be a violent crime unit only, with traffic, property, unhoused, responses going to another entity entirely. Since the SF homeless outreach campaign went into effect I've felt much safter walking around the mission. More of that, less of SFPD. Is there even a vice squad? SFPD doesn't care about sex trafficking. SFPD leadership should be publicly accountable and subject to recall. Looking at you William Scott.

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xiphias2 4y ago

Maybe SF was skewed towards property crime, but attracting all types of criminals at this point. It's not hard to imagine SF being a great place to locate to for violant criminals as well.

mrangle 4y ago

"Rare" isn't a relevant descriptor when speaking of correlative crime. Non-violent and violent crime rates are correlated. More of one class means more of the other. Though, environments that are different than anywhere else, like NYC, will tend to show a differing correlative relationship.

asveikau 4y ago
> Non-violent and violent crime rates are correlated. Show some evidence of this. I just gave you a counter example. Property crime is huge in SF and it never gets anywhere near the "most violent cities in America" lists, it's well below its weight in that regard. Here's a quick googling for such a list, notice the absence of San Francisco: https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-violent-cities-in-america https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-viol...

biggoodwolf 4y ago

It's not misleading, the solution is the same.