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Google Bard waitlist
- artdigital 4y agoWas able to sign up for the waitlist with a VPN, so the filter seems to be based on IP, and not the country of the google account like the Play Store. Now the question is if I'll actually be able to use it...
- cft 4y agoI am an American living in Spain, running an American company, paying US taxes. I am neither a Spanish citizen nor a permanent resident. Google decided that my accounts are Spanish and switched them. "Bard is not available in your country". My country is the USA. I wonder what's next, my American Google voice and Google Fi phone numbers so i lose US banking access? Be very scared of this Orwellian company.
- tantalor 4y ago> My country is the USA. You would prefer companies know your citizenship and immigration status, somehow verify that, and tie their services to it? And that would somehow preserve your privacy better than geolocation?
- theonemind 4y agoHe'd probably prefer that Google just not switch his account based on the circumstantial evidence (as such) of accessing his account from Spain.
- cft 4y agoYes, i can submit photos holding my passport with a piece of paper with a code written on it, my driver's license: somehow it's enough for the KYC in all crypto exchanges and in all online stock brokers, but Google won't take that.
- supermatt 4y agoGoogle cant even get my language right - and its right there in my request headers. For some reason they always want to base it on geolocation. And then, when you go to change the language, it shows all the language options in the language you are trying to translate from. So useful for people travelling to countries where they dont speak the language, or cant distinguish the characters... Geolocation is a sucky way of deciding anything about a user.
- ajross 4y agoThe question isn't one of citizenship or abstract identity. The question is "Which laws will the content you are served be subject to?". If you don't want to be subject to Spanish law, get out of Spain.
- cft 4y agoSo why do they wait 6 months and not change immediately when you get off the plane and use your android phone? And then back? When i get back to the US, i will have Spanish Google accounts for at least 6 (or 12?) months, while using them from my own house.
- ajross 4y agoTo prevent trivial exploits using VPNs, probably. Look, the problem here is that internet providers are trying to follow the law ("avoid fines" if you prefer the cynical framing). The law is different in EU countries than it is in the USA, in some very important ways. And they need to be seen making a good faith effort to enforce those laws. A six month grace period for an account "primarily used" in one regime seems not terribly unreasonable to me. But that's not what your original comment was asking for anyway. You wanted to be sitting in Barcelona or wherever and e.g. not be subject to the GDPR and EU-specific data retention requirements (which is presumably the issue here: Bard likely isn't yet compliant being probably all hosted in the USA).
- sebzim4500 4y agoBut it's not 'get out of spain'. It's 'get out of spain and wait 6 months for Google to decide you are no longer spanish'.
- afavour 4y agoOther issues aside, is that actually legal? I've always been under the impression that you need to pay local taxes wherever you're working but would be delighted to be proven wrong.
- cft 4y agoYou don't pay Spanish taxes if you don't derive any income from Spain and if you are less than 183 days per year in the country. If you are more than 183 days per year in the country, there's a Spanish tax treaty with the US, and you pay US taxes on your US income anyway. And if all you have is $10mm on your checking account but no income, you don't pay any taxes anywhere.
- davidgay 4y ago> And if all you have is $10mm on your checking account but no income, you don't pay any taxes anywhere. Wealth taxes are a thing too, e.g., in Switzerland.
- aix1 4y agoI have no knowledge of the GP's tax position, but paying local taxes and paying US taxes are not mutually exclusive. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/frequently-asked-questions-about-international-individual-tax-matters https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/freq... <quote> 1. I’m a U.S. citizen living and working outside of the United States for many years. Do I still need to file a U.S. tax return? Yes, if you are a U.S. citizen or a resident alien living outside the United States, your worldwide income is subject to U.S. income tax, regardless of where you live. However, you may qualify for certain foreign earned income exclusions and/or foreign income tax credits. Visit Publication 54, Tax Guide for U.S. Citizens and Resident Aliens Abroad, for additional information. </quote>
- akskos 4y agoDepends on country specific tax agreements. Worst case is you need to pay taxes to both countries
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- datadeft 4y agoGoogle put one of my email account into a state that I cannot change the password. It somebody wants to brute force the pass from 2010 free to do so. Nothing I can do.
- sergiomattei 4y agoI’m in Puerto Rico, quite literally part of the United States, and apparently we’re not American enough to have access. Not available in your country. Sigh.
- diceduckmonk 4y agoFYI, If you are abroad for longer than a year, they will shutdown call and data access for your Google Fi. Learned the hard way. That said, their technical support was absolutely robotic and useless, and might as well be replaced with Bard, whatever state its in.
- cft 4y agoThey already have (i was sick with covid, walking to a store when i suddenly lost online maps and data access), i am using voice/SMS only for 2FA authentication for all my American business, including banking and brokerages. Perhaps they cannot shut the voice down due to some FCC consequences. Scary.
- diceduckmonk 4y agoIt feels like Google Fi is in maintenance mode. Someone got their promotion and moved on. I used to this the Deprecated by Google memes were harsh, but that will be the last time I rely on a Google product for work or life.
- gorbypark 4y agoI had a situation fairly similar as a Canadian living in Spain. I moved back to Canada and my account was now “Spanish” and it caused all sorts of issues, especially with my google home minis. I also had a hard time adding a Canadian credit card to my account to pay for Google Workspaces.
- nwoli 4y ago“Bard isn’t currently supported in your country” The waiting list to the waiting list to the waiting list…
- 101008 4y agoSame here. I wonder if using a VPN would risk me to get my Google account blocked...
- ocdtrekkie 4y agoProbably a big risk considering few entities are more sure of what country you are in.
- black_puppydog 4y agolol, google will routinely still show me swedish maps results when I haven't been there in 8 years. They're notoriously bad at this, it's ridiculous. Of course I agree that this is high-risk in that their location thingy is unstable and trigger happy enough as is, and good luck reaching a human if some system does decide to block you.
- rcarmo 4y agoYeah, I suspect folk who reside in perfectly civilized countries without any geopolitical hindrances to be locked out for a long while--which, given Google's usual inability to reach out across Europe, may mean we'll only have access when it's about to be cancelled.
- worthless-trash 4y agoSeems to be 'not available' in Australia.
- geodel 4y agoMaybe its to save you from making comments like "I am not going to use any Google product ever, since they canceled Google Reader ..etc etc"
- YPPH 4y agoI cannot think of a legitimate basis to discriminate by country.
- endisneigh 4y agobasically not all countries speak english as a first language, so it wouldn't make sense to put it in all countries. secondly, staggered rollout is pretty common
- marginalia_nu 4y agoYou could simply roll out per language, rather than per country in that case, since language is by its very nature self-selecting.
- kderbyma 4y agoBut that would be silly and it would not be politically motivated
- antibasilisk 4y agoSpeaking as someone who had to decide how to distribute anonymous work, language is extremely difficult to track as even if the system language is set to English, comprehension and literacy are not necessarily at the level you need for the data you get back to be useful. It is much more effective to select for countries in the 95th percentile of the English Proficiency Index.
- marginalia_nu 4y agoRight, but due to migration, this is also a problem within regions where a language is the primary language. Any connection you draw between native language and region is tenuous at best.
- antibasilisk 4y agoMigration doesn't impact this since the English Proficiency Index is updated to account for it.
- dna_polymerase 4y ago> This Google Account isn’t supported > Bard does not currently support Google Workspace accounts or when our systems indicate you may be under 18 OpenAI takes my Google Workspace Account just fine. Nice job Google. Locking out a user who is on a >$25 enterprise plan with you. Why is every interaction with Google so stupid? Why can that multi-billion dollar company not deliver any good software?
- partomniscient 4y agoDoesn't matter, they'll discontinue it as soon as enough people start relying on it.
- terran57 4y agoSadly, Google's track record makes this more likely than not.
- a_vanderbilt 4y agoI'll play with it, but this is exactly why I won't be depending on it for anything. Can't trust that Google isn't going to drop Bard if it isn't an immediate and roaring success.
- Lightbody 4y agoDon't worry it does that for basically all signups right now. Weird hug of death variant I suspect.
- nashashmi 4y agoThat’s why they locked you out. You are a paying user who needs a good product. And You are not one of those google fans who dishes out money to google for things you don’t need. So you will get the product once it comes out of beta.
- kderbyma 4y agoGoogle has lost it completely. I realised when no one was bragging about working for Google or applying for Google about 5 or so years ago.....that it was no longer a cool place to work...just politicians with engineering titles.
- brarsanmol 4y agoSeems like it isn't supported in Canada, that's interesting! "Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned!"
- garblegarble 4y agoIt's at https://bard.google.com https://bard.google.com - I tried to join the waitlist but this is yet another Google service where Google Workspaces accounts simply don't work. Back to GPT-4 then!
- illiarian 4y agoIt looks like it also uses a 7th design of the accounts popdown, and only allows one google account. Literally no one at Google understands how accounts work: https://grumpy.website/post/0PU1U2r3v https://grumpy.website/post/0PU1U2r3v (this was 5 years ago, nothing has changed)
- judge2020 4y agoThe new design is already in Drive and Docs - And it's just a new UI for the same embedded account switcher that's existed. Odd that it prevents switching, but it's probably enough to deter at least 75% of people trying to sign up multiple accounts for the waitlist.
- dmix 4y agoAll I want is to be able to select a "default" account in that list. Or reorder them. Currently if you type 'gmail.com' it automatically goes to the first account you logged in with (in the url as numbers /1/ /2/). It's annoying to have to manually log them all out to reorder this.
- judge2020 4y agoThat's been the case for a while, i'm sure it has come up before and there's some tech debt or external system (maybe the android and chrome account switcher integrations?) that prohibit them from changing it without a massive user-facing behavior change. For bard specifically, you can do ?authuser=x where x is the account number as defined by other apps like Gmail or Drive.
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- bloodyludi 4y ago"Bard does not currently support Google Workspace accounts [...]" Guess I won't try it then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- sebzim4500 4y agoIt is extremely funny to me that Google Workspace accounts work for ChatGPT but not for Bard.
- amf12 4y agoData. Google can't use workspace data to train products. Bard right now wants usage data to finetune it. OpenAI had 6 month headstart with it. You can use workspace data with open ai because there is no agreement in place restricting the use of that data.
- Lightbody 4y agoIt says it doesn't support my personal Google Workspace account, my corporate one, nor my Gmail account. I'm starting to think maybe they aren't ready for us to try it out after all...
- return_to_monke 4y agoabout 5 months late, and not public. not looking that great.
- maxilevi 4y ago“Bard is not available in your country” Why do they even limit access depending on the country? It’s a chatbot, not a financial service.
- est 4y agoAI is currently regulated by US export law
- codetrotter 4y agoIn that case, is OpenAI ChatGPT available to parent commenter or not?
- maxilevi 4y agoIt is, I even have ChatGPT Plus
- codetrotter 4y agoSo then it is probably not an US export laws issue
- dcow 4y agoOr it’s technically illegal.
- gl-prod 4y agoEven OpenAI's site (and all of its services) cannot be accessed from certain countries. Funnily enough, BingChat is accessible.
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- tyingq 4y agoProbably some crazy legal thing, like perhaps you can get it to spit out an ITAR restricted passage of encryption code.
- Mockapapella 4y agoOh good, another wait list. Pass.
- JanSt 4y agoReading comments here: has anyone got access yet?
- mdorazio 4y agoNope. Even if you pass the criteria, it's still a waitlist. <You’ll receive another email when it’s your turn to test Bard.> I'll update if they actually grant access today.
- mdorazio 4y agoAlright, I've tried it and with some identical prompting between Bard and ChatGPT, Bard seems notably inferior. It is faster in generation, but the overall quality of response and contextual understanding isn't quite as good. Also, it straight-up refuses to even attempt writing code, returning this message: "I'm designed solely to process and generate text, so I'm unable to assist you with that." I'm not impressed.
- tomkaos 4y ago"Bard isn’t currently supported in your country." The fast adoption of ChatGTP was not is quality but the easy access. I hear about it and the day after I had a shortcut in my browser. If I need to have a reminder to check each week for "Is available yet ?" I will probably lost interest.
- doomleika 4y ago`Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned!` Yes, I understand the pressure is huge. But all those "soon" are not helping. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- sho_hn 4y agoBased on the amount of griping and anxiety about the region lock and not getting access right now, it sure looks like Google has a hit on their hands.
- winddude 4y ago"The new A.I. chatbot will be available to a limited number of users in the United States and Britain and will accommodate additional users, countries and languages over time, Google executives said in an interview." So no, no they didn't release it.
- dmix 4y ago> But Google is taking a much more circumspect approach than its competitors, which have faced criticism that they are proliferating an unpredictable and sometimes untrustworthy technology. It's interesting how they use the AI ethics excuse. Maybe the real problem is that there's isn't as good as the competition, or to their own standards, and they are being careful not to damage their brand by being so behind.
- BiteCode_dev 4y ago+1 Google track record tells us they have no problem with with blurry ethic lines. They create the software for weapons, track the entire planet and were part of PRISM. So yes, I tend to think your explanation is most likely.
- dlubarov 4y ago> They create the software for weapons If you're thinking of Project Maven, that ended in 2019, so I would use past tense. > were part of PRISM As I understand it, the NSA was snooping on Google's internal traffic between services. Google was not complicit, at least there's no evidence of that.
- BiteCode_dev 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM "PRISM collects stored internet communications based on demands made to internet companies such as Google LLC"
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- tekbog 4y ago>Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned! >Stay tuned! No, I don't think I will.
- anonzzzies 4y agoWhat a joke; limited country release to limited group of people. That’s a broken car at the start of the race, not a lot more at this point when your competitors are already full-blown out there.
- abfrmblr 4y agoNot available in India yet
- eka1 4y agoJust got a: > Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned!
- Satam 4y ago"We're starting to start the beginning of letting people try so they can now apply to our waitlist so they can be emailed that it's their turn to try Bard, the AI experiment."
- lvspiff 4y agoCan I be part of the delegation that will be discussing the formation of a committee to institute the process of allowing people to sign up to be waitlisted for the consideration for the opportunity to potentially begin to start seeing how to use Bard?
- leroman 4y agoIt depends
- godshatter 4y agoThey haven't built out the process for the selection of such delegates yet.
- K5EiS 4y agoKafka is rolling in his grave
- blihp 4y agoYou have been added to the wait list that will be submitted to the review board that has yet to be set up to discuss whether or not they should consider the question of if such a delegation is warranted. However, there is no guarantee that said board will be assembled prior to Bard's cancellation.
- crakenzak 4y agoHave you drafted the design doc for it yet and looped in all the potentially impacted parties and teams for comments?
- rafaelturk 4y agoBard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned!
- mellosouls 4y agotbf, it was the same with OpenAI releases.
- cubefox 4y agoNo it wasn't?
- mellosouls 4y agoYes it was. USA only at first, I can't remember the product(s).
- dragonwriter 4y agoHeck, they still have a published whitelist of countries, though it is very long now.
- cubefox 4y agoI'm pretty sure ChatGPT was immediately available in Germany.
- rafaelturk 4y agoNot even the wait list works..
- sourcecodeplz 4y agosame here, guess will just have to settle for ChatGPT and Bing for now.
- lordswork 4y agoTry through a VPN?
- felipesabino 4y ago> Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned! nice /s
- tacker2000 4y agoHilarious. Big announcement and yet nobody in this thread has been able to register, nobody is giving any first hand account of using it. Whats the point of this big announcement then? Google is such a caricature of corporatism and blunders, it’s just sad.
- dna_polymerase 4y agoIt really is remarkable. Didn't read a single account of an actual user, only people commemorating the times Google was able to deliver quality software and how they are absolutely dead. This is their lifeline in a potential Bing + ChatGPT world, this product right here is supposed to save them from actual competition, and yet they act like complete and utter idiots.
- dwaltrip 4y agoI'm on the waitlist. We'll see how long it takes.
- world2vec 4y agoIn my company's workspace when I try to join the waitlist it says "Bard does not currently support Google Workspace accounts or when our systems indicate you may be under 18."
- hypercube33 4y agoThese limited closed betas seem to really kill hype on a lot of their products, which leads to them not having a lot of use, then google killing them...
- sho_hn 4y agoTo be fair, the beta, invite-only status of GMail was, at the time, the definition of Internet Cool.
- pcurve 4y agoAnd Google Circle.. (r.i.p)
- blitzar 4y agoSo was having a facebook account
- Pigalowda 4y agoFacebook's early exclusivity was great for college kids and spreading amongst certain young people - making it cool. You had to have a .edu email to log in! It was also much better than Myspace. Google+ was mediocre and not better than the competition. Young people didn't care about it. The exclusivity was generated by a company - it didn't appeal to the user's inherent bias. Facebook initially appealed to narcissism - the early users "knew" they were "better" than myspace users. What was Google+ appealing to? Being a nerd?
- moralestapia 4y ago>Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned! LOL, yeah sure, the world doesn't wait. This is dead on arrival.
- Pxtl 4y ago> Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned! Why does silicon valley hate Canada?
- krossitalk 4y ago"Bard does not support Google Workspace addresses". Cool, bye!
- PedroBatista 4y ago"Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned!" Can't wait to ask "Bard" what's the rationale to "not support" a service like this based on my country.. These "global companies" are so global regarding their revenue and tax schemes, but when something is different than the "business as usual" they turn into hyper local shops. It's just an observation, I'm not really that mad and desperate to try their "chat-bot" since I'm sure it will be as exciting as eating cardboard.
- superfrank 4y agoNot sure where you are, but I always assume that means, "We're doing something that some might consider sketchy and don't want to dedicate resources to figuring out if it's legal outside the US".
- Kalium 4y agoI suspect it's more often "We haven't checked yet, and Legal prefers we be cautious until they have time" rather than actively thinking it's something some might consider sketchy.
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- superfrank 4y agoYeah, you're right. Sketcky is probably the wrong way to describe it. I more just mean something we haven't done before/don't know about.
- dragonwriter 4y agoWith the slow-roll waitlist things, I think the geographical limits are in part, at least, a way of narrowing the applicant space to reduce the wait time, given the limited pace at which they are willing to expand the user pool.
- PedroBatista 4y agoIt's usually by cultural proximity/who are your cousins more than a legal thing. It usually goes by "US,Canada,UK most times Australia, then NZ when they remember, then Ireland and let's start to deal with the nordics and Germany.."
- tauntz 4y ago> Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned! Sigh. Google never learns. By the time they add support for using this in my country, there's no reason for me to use it anymore as competitors have already swept in. It's the same playbook with every US-only launch: 1. get everybody hyped up 2. make it accessible to only a minor subset of people but advertise it as a "launch" or "open beta" or whatever 3. tell the rest of the world that "lol, by "avialable" we mean US-only" or "Open means "open for people with US IP addresses only"" etc. 4. Wait till competitors have launched global-from-the-start alternatives 5. Open up the service globally 6. ... 7. Shut down the service because there's no uptake (surprised_pikachu.jpg) Rinse and repeat. Self inflicted wounds and all that..
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoSame for Pixel devices. They don't officially exist in several EU countries on Google's store. Google tries hard to make their paying consumers hate them.
- tmikaeld 4y agoWord, it took several years before Google Domains became available in Sweden. And not to mention Pixel devices, which you can't even order.
- visarga 4y agoGood thing they didn't open the Google Store for Europe, now they can close it for all I care, I had to jump through hoops to get my Pixel. The Pixel battery was much worse than the battery of my wife's iPhone. Now I am sporting her old phone because I don't give a shit about the latest and greatest anymore.
- amrb 4y agoCan anyone confirm VPN's works for signup?
- sho_hn 4y agoThe sign-up itself worked. I've not gotten access yet.
- michaelmrose 4y agoWent to join the waitlist but can't because google workspace accounts both cost money and are somehow second class citizens in virtually everything. Seems oddly user hostile.
- ayende 4y agoI'm using paid Google account, so I'm getting that this isn't available. Makes sense, I'm already a customer, no reason to keep me as such, right?
- xyzelement 4y agoI am guessing it's about the desire to offer a higher standard of stuff to paid customers (since they may be expecting such and paying for it.) Bard is completely beta and a raw one at that, not something I'd want confused for a part of a paid offering at this stage. I get your point as well - I think there's a tension between the two options.
- dragonwriter 4y agoI’m using a paid Google account and had no problem; I suspect your problem is you are using their conservative business paid offering (Workspace) instead of their consumer paid offering (One) where products don’t need to be proven or have a clear place in their selling-to-business portfolio before they are integrated.
- pb7 4y agoYour paid account has an agreement not to use your data to improve the service for others. This is an experiment the purpose of which is to collect usage data to improve the service. What's confusing about that?
- siva7 4y agoConfusing arouses when no one at Google tells the user.
- optymizer 4y agoTired of waitlists. You and Bing and everyone else will have to get on my waitlist of services I give attention to.
- bilekas 4y ago> Bard does not currently support Google Workspace accounts Thats a bit weird ?
- netrikare 4y agoHey Google, you can't do waitlists/not available in your country if you are chasing your competitors and your product is inferior.
- stan_kirdey 4y agosadly, join waitlist button doesn't work on google chrome ._.
- Version467 4y agoThe comments here are very interesting. I see very little about the actual performance of bard (and the few comments that do mention that it's worse than chatgpt because it uses a much smaller model to reduce inference costs). Instead most comments are either about country/workspace account restrictions, googles past history with sunsetting products, or their general lack of product releases in the ml space. Incredible how much they've fallen from grace. Their image has suffered so much that people just don't care anymore.
- neel8986 4y agoThis is a very specific HN sentiment. Not sure if the same sentiment is shared by general public
- SkyMarshal 4y agoTrue, but it was the innovator and early adopter community who were originally the first to embrace Google back in the late 90s/early 2000s. Don't want to lose them if at all possible, if only to keep them from migrating to some other cool new thing and building it up.
- anonyfox 4y agonontechnical people around me are turning for bing for search because its suddenly "cool" (also: that iphone app is actually cool!), or don't even use google AT ALL for most of their everyday stuff - people "tiktok" stuff now or play with that "ChatBot". Between corporate users going all-in on microsoft software + apple hardware, people in private only really have one thing thats flocking them towards some google, and that is... android. This and the longform tiktoks called "youtube".
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- swyx 4y agoWHOOO ANOTHER WAITLIST! THANKS GOOGLE you made my day letting me sign up to your waitlist!
- Animats 4y ago"Join Waitlist". Also, you have to have a Google account.
- ruslanmsv 4y ago> Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned! all recent google product launches — are disappointment. Google is slowly dying. It needs to change its virgin management for new chad one
- gkfasdfasdf 4y agoApparently if you are a Google One member you get priority access? Because you’re a Google One member, we’d like to offer you the opportunity to be among the first to sign up for the new Bard experience and provide feedback. Think of Bard as your creative and helpful collaborator, here to bring your ideas to life using generative AI.
- darklycan51 4y agoI really love how Google is still stuck in the era where you lock in services first for anglo countries, and this is why I despise Google.
- dang 4y agoSee also: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35246253 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35246253 How about we use that thread for comments about the product itself, and this thread for comments about the waitlist/country/account restrictions.
- mrinterweb 4y agoI got my invite a couple hours after joining the waitlist.
- dang 4y agoYes, others have been saying something similar. The discussion is partitioned almost evenly between these two distinct topics, though, so I think it makes sense to keep the threads separate.
- mt360 4y agoWhat is the justification for barring citizens of countries like Portugal from this, seems very unfair. Have they said anything about this?
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- zhichu 4y agoUsing a USA VPN, you can quickly get a access to Google Bard. I just wait for less than a hour.
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