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ChatGPT generated a puzzle game

486 points by puzzledpenguin 4y ago

madars 4y ago
Puzzle link: https://sumplete.com/ https://sumplete.com/
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- asicsp 4y ago
  Discussed 2 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35010035 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35010035
jphoward 4y ago
The game in easy/intermediate is very fun and satisfying! However it doesn't seem to scale too well beyond this - it feels unless you get 'lucky' with one row/column having a very low total, you end up with many many degrees of freedom for each move, which scale, I suppose, quadratically? Sudoku at the hardest difficulty also has this, but usually the errors manifest a bit more quickly. It feels in this mode you could end up finding your error 'at the end' and have an absolutely diabolical time debugging your error?
- fsckboy 4y ago
  don't tell us, tell chatGPT to incorporate your feedback!
- Lewton 4y ago
  > it feels unless you get 'lucky' with one row/column having a very low total, very large totals gives you enough information to validate/eliminate numbers too
- xxs 4y ago
  I tried advanced (7x7) three times, it was quite doable. An obvious optimization would be showing the current sum of the rows/columns. Master (9x9) features negative numbers too, which is quite funny.
  - mavhc 4y ago
    Advanced can be easily solved with some logic, odd vs even, eliminating impossible combinations. Master I've no idea how to solve
    - yesenadam 4y ago
      I tried 9x9 and it seemed impossible at first but I solved it in 5-10 minutes. I want to try larger ones! Keep fixing digits one at a time with things like parity, e.g. if the numbers are all odd and sum to an odd number, you know an odd number of them are needed. If a total is very high or low, there's often obviously only one way to make it. For totals not quite so high, if you choose the few highest numbers, and by trying ways to reduce the total by the excess, it becomes evident what the numbers are. ("Get your hands dirty.") Often a row/column contains e.g. two 7s, and you know one of them is needed, but not which until other information comes in. (Having an "OR" label/symbol to mark those would be nice I guess.) e.g. One of the columns I had: total 46, column is 16,-2,12,-2,14,-2,14,16,1. Eliminate the 1 by parity. I try adding the largest numbers, 16,16,14, which add to 46...and somehow I can see/intuit that there's no other way of making 46, as the -2s can only adjust downwards. So you green-circle the two 16s, leave the two 14s blank, as you don't know which is needed yet, and cross out all the others.
- once_inc 4y ago
  People often forget that sudoku has a number of rules which make the game deterministic: Sudoku Rule: Don’t Guess Sudoku Rule: Unique Solution You aren't supposed to guess at any point, instead solving the puzzle by determining a number's position by logical deduction. You aren't supposed to just jot something down and hoping for the best. Each sudoku puzzle should have one single valid solution. This has been used in the past by a devious creator that built his sudoku in such a way that the final n numbers to be filled led to two deduction paths; one leading to a single solution, the other to two possible solutions. As such, the only valid solution is the path where uniqueness remained. I didn't look at the code for Sumplete, but using similar rules when building the puzzle seems obvious.
  - cyborgx7 4y ago
    >This has been used in the past by a devious creator that built his sudoku in such a way that the final n numbers to be filled led to two deduction paths; one leading to a single solution, the other to two possible solutions. I don't see how this differs from there being three solutions, thereby not following the unique solution role. Like, what is functionally the difference between picking the path that leads to one solution rather than two, and just picking one of the two solutions at the end?
  - PeterisP 4y ago
    A solution is not a "path" but the outcome i.e. a filled board. If there exist two options to write in the numbers which both fit the originally provided clues and the Sudoku criteria, then that puzzle has multiple solutions. It's worth noting that "don't guess" technically doesn't change anything at all - a full exhaustive search of all options starting from the top-left corner is a legitimate logical deduction tactic (and a legitimate proof in mathematics), even if suboptimal. If you eliminate all the possibilities of writing in numbers, you're supposed to be left only one way that fits the rules, the unique solution.
elliotec 4y ago
Fascinating. I wonder how soon it’ll be before it can do the devops for you too.
- manojlds 4y ago
  AIOps is a thing right. And ChatOps as well, though it didn't get lot of traction. I am sure someone is already working on a ChatGPTOps
- vorticalbox 4y ago
  it could probably generate some terraform if you explained the task to it
  - oofnik 4y ago
    Can confirm that this is indeed possible
- anukin 4y ago
  Yeah it definitely requires an AI to make sense of some of those k8s deployments
- jedberg 4y ago
  I just tried it. This was my prompt: create a terraform template to create a brand new aws account from scratch, and then set up and admin account and two users named alice and bob. This is what it output: https://gist.github.com/jedberg/dd31783e13521a69aa8923cb514276d8 https://gist.github.com/jedberg/dd31783e13521a69aa8923cb5142... (which at quick glance looks correct) It then said: " Note that you will need to have appropriate permissions and credentials to create a new AWS account, and this template assumes that you have those." So I asked it how to get those permissions and it gave me step by step instructions on creating a new account, adding a payment method, and getting the root keys. Then I asked it how to run the terraform and it gave me the commands to do it. So I'd say yes, it can do DevOps too!
- sushiburps 4y ago
  Asked ChatGPT the following "I have a static HTML file I'd like to host in AWS S3 using a CloudFront distribution. I'd also like to manage the domain's DNS in Route 53. Can you write me the Terraform to do this?" https://i.imgur.com/GW5rUpL.png https://i.imgur.com/GW5rUpL.png
romwell 4y ago
I have always been very skeptical about AI being just a pile of hype, but this is the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back for me. I don't know what the AI will or will not be able to do, but what's clear is that things are not going to be the same any longer.
- courseofaction 4y ago
  I have a narrative generation system in development - the hardest part of developing it is not just stopping and talking to the characters for hours. They surprise me time and time again. This feels like science fiction.
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- csomar 4y ago
  In the short-medium future the path of least resistance will be auto-completion. You can achieve faster with AI than without AI. People will also start "mastering" AI prompting in the same way they mastered Google search in the past. New Jobs: - AI Prompt Engineer. - AI Prompt Analyst. - AI Prompt Architect.
  - ChatGTP 4y ago
    I recently read the first half of this: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/02/what-is-chatgpt-doing-and-why-does-it-work/ https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/02/what-is-chatgpt-... and as a programmer I can quite easily understand it, not completely but I immediately had similar thoughts to you...even if you are joking :) If you kind of understand how the prediction works, you're likely able to become quite good prompting it to generate mostly functional things.I really believe a lot of the articles we see here are people doing just that, understanding how the tool works, then getting 80% of the way to something functional , then using actual programming knowledge to make things work. I do think as others have said, this puzzle game has already existed so nothing was really invented, but...how would you know that if you didn't know the name or the format of the original puzzle game.
progx 4y ago
Battlefield developer could look now for a new job. Their "innovation" could be done bei ChatGPT as well ;-)
popeshoe 4y ago
It's still incredible you can coerce a language model to produce this, but it's not a new game, I've had it on my phone for a few years: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rohitpailwangames.summerpro&hl=en&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rohitpailw...
- ducktective 4y ago
  Nice find! Seems to be similar to a game called Kakuro. This [1] repo even contains a similar rule: > The algorithm exceed the rules that the sum over a row must equal to the value on the left and the sum over a column must be equal to the value on the bottom of the cells with the diagonal and one or two numbers [1]: https://github.com/MarioBonse/KakuroSolverCSP https://github.com/MarioBonse/KakuroSolverCSP [2]: https://github.com/topics/kakuro https://github.com/topics/kakuro
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    That's the first thing ChatGPT said at the start of the whole process. It created a game like Kakuro.
- samwillis 4y ago
  And herein lies the issue with ChatGPT, it can generate functioning code, but can also lie through its none existent teeth about it. Using ChatGPT (or Co-Pilot) can feel like pair-programming with a very talented developer who loves to bullshit.
  - neilv 4y ago
    ...and plagiarize like crazy, while lying about it. :)
    - ChatGTP 4y ago
      ...maybe this is the key to success and ChatGPT is here to show us the way! :) Ride those coattails and take other peoples ideas as your own!
sebasv_ 4y ago
Very cool! Although I would love to be proven wrong, I am still suspicious that this is actually a code sample from an existing game it picked up somewhere during training. Seeing how chatgpt struggles with basic logic I would be surprised if it can actually generate a new and workable game of logic.
- Kiro 4y ago
  The way I understand these models (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is that they predict every single word one at a time out of billions and billions of possible paths. So for the model to actually reproduce code you would either need to bait it really hard (reducing the possible paths by pushing it into a corner) or be impossibly "lucky". It can't just copy-paste something accidentally since it has no "awarenesses" of the source material the last neuron was created from.
  - Jensson 4y ago
    It is trivial to encode text in neural networks, these models try hard to avoid that by punishing it in training but they still encode a lot of text word for word. The most famous example is "Fast inverse square root", it gives you the exact same thing with same comments etc.
    - Kiro 4y ago
      When you say it's trivial to encode text in neural networks, what does that mean for LLMs? What makes it decide to encode certain texts or not? Isn't it just one big network of neurons? The prompt I've seen for it to verbatim reproduce the fast inverse square root from Quake was: // fast inverse square root float Q_ When I ask ChatGPT to give me code for a fast inverse square root it doesn't reproduce it at all but gives me an implementation that looks completely different. So, my original thought was that the prompt above with the characteristic Quake III Q_ naming is enough to push it into a corner where the path is reduced to just one possibility (with that path being the words in the code itself) and not that it merely copypasted the code from an encoded version of it. I.e. it still predicts it word-by-word but with only one possible way for each step. This is just be my naive take on it though but I really want to understand.
TMWNN 4y ago
Astounding!
sdfgdfghj 4y ago
Is it safe to assume that anything which comes out of ChatGPT is not novelty but an existing concept or existing concept with some nuances?
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  Kind of, existing things only with 0.8 points of randomness injected for "creativity", I'm overly simplifying of course but it is kind of like that. I really recommend trying to get through this if you can: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/02/what-is-chatgpt-doing-and-why-does-it-work/ https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/02/what-is-chatgpt-... It raises some questions for me about how far this current model can actually scale / evolve without getting a bit too far out to be useful for human use. But it can (sometimes) connect things in ways that people have likely never seen before. Maybe if you just clicked the button all day, you'd wind up with some really impressive new games people have never seen before.
- fellerts 4y ago
  No, because ChatGPT doesn't understand "concepts". It helps to understand that all it does is take your prompt and generate the most likely words that will satisfy the user. This is how it was trained. That doesn't mean it won't regurgitate preexisting material (ask it to recount the constitution, for example), but it can definitely connect words in way that describes novel ideas.
  - int_19h 4y ago
    It has the capacity to model things behind the words, which is what "understanding concepts" ultimately means. That it is capable of doing so from merely being trained to "predict the next token" is what's remarkable about it. https://thegradient.pub/othello/ https://thegradient.pub/othello/
- mercer 4y ago
  yes, just like everything that is novel
- azatom 4y ago
samwillis 4y ago
> Sumplete was created in a few hours by ChatGPT I think this is an interesting note at the end, it's clear that the whole "conversation" hasn't been posted, and not clear how many prompts were needed to finish it. A proficient developer would be able to develop this same app to the same level (once they have the idea) in a couple of hours without ChatGPT too. It would be super interesting to see a full screen recording of the process (or a similar one). What was the total word count of all prompts, how does that compare to the code size? Don't get me wrong, this is incredible and inspiring (I'm regularly using ChatGPT and Copilot). But I think the post doesn't critically analyse the process well enough.
- Lewton 4y ago
  Yes, I think it's kinda rude (in a way) to cut out 99% of the ChatGPT conversation, because it gives people the impression that ChatGPT is even more magical than it actually is
  - ChatGTP 4y ago
    I thought the article recently about the guy who used Mindjourney (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/02/viral-instagram-photographer-has-a-confession-his-photos-are-ai-generated/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/02/viral...) to generate a bunch of images which people on Instagram loved was fascinating. It was quite amazing how much actual manual work was going into some (not all) of those images in the end. A lot of processing in photoshop etc. I actually started to think that really, he was doing art, just not using a brush.
    - fennecfoxy 4y ago
      Yup, that's why the naysayers will always naysay. Artists will use ML as engineers have been using ML such as in https://youtu.be/aR5N2Jl8k14?t=198 https://youtu.be/aR5N2Jl8k14?t=198. I can understand the clash with artists not wanting their work absorbed by the machine, and I agree to a point: if the model reproduces their art 1:1 (or close to) then that's bad! For the artist and the model! If it simply takes inspiration for the type of art/style etc from other artists' work, well, that's what artists do themselves already! That's literally how people learn to be artists. But also, for an artist to complain that it's not really artistic, then where do we draw the line? They'll use a brush in photoshop that they don't have total control over the behaviour of and that's apparently fine.
johlits 4y ago
I wonder which JS framework it will prefer when coding larger stuff.
- phist_mcgee 4y ago
  One that causes the most flame wars on discussion boards.
DanSmooth 4y ago
Looks like a variant of Kakurasu [0] but instead of given numbers (1 to X) they use random numbers. [0] https://www.puzzle-kakurasu.com/ https://www.puzzle-kakurasu.com/
yieldcrv 4y ago
I made a game with chatgpt too I’ve been experimenting with the depth of “prompt engineering” I basically prompted it to procedurally generate rooms and fill them with NPCs with a common goal, on its own it persists the NPC names, genders, talking style, and the goal of the puzzle even though each region of the puzzle are procedurally generate I will absolutely slap an 8-bit GUI on top of that
aitchnyu 4y ago
I'm also impressed by the author, who didnt set a bar for the AI and call it a day.
bobmaxup 4y ago
I tried following the same prompts: The game: """ Sure, I can give it a try! Here's a logic puzzle game that I came up with: Title: Pathfinder Objective: The objective of the game is to fill a grid with numbers from 1 to N (N is determined by the size of the grid), such that each number appears exactly once in each row, column, and diagonal, and also such that the numbers create a continuous path throughout the grid. Rules: The grid is a square grid of size N x N. The grid is divided into different regions, each representing a different terrain or landscape (e.g. forest, desert, ocean, mountain, etc.). Each region has a specific starting and ending point, represented by two numbers on the edge of the grid. The numbers in the grid must form a continuous path connecting the starting and ending points of each region, without ever intersecting or overlapping with itself. The numbers in the path must also satisfy the rules of Sudoku, meaning that each number must appear exactly once in each row, column, and diagonal of the grid. Example: Here's an example of a Pathfinder puzzle for a 5x5 grid: | | | | 9 | | | | | | | 7 | | | | 3 | | | | | | | | | | | 2 | | | | """ First: As an AI language model, I am not able to provide a working code with HTML and JavaScript. Then, even through multiple tries, responses would kind of just end when the Javascript reached the display section of the algorithm, and everything before that was not really great either (hallucinated/pseudocode functions, etc). Example: // Generate the puzzle board and regions function generatePuzzle() { let size = 5; // Change this to adjust the size of the grid let board = new Array(size); for (let i = 0; i < size; i++) { board[i] = new Array(size); for (let j = 0; j < size; j++) { board[i][j] = 0; } } let regions = generateRegions(size); // Generate a path that connects all of the regions let path = generatePath(regions, size); // Fill in the grid with the numbers from the path let index = 0; for (let i = 0; i < size; i++) { for (let j = 0; j < size; j++) { if (path[i][j] !== 0) { board[i][j] = path[i][j]; } else { board[i][j] = ""; } } } // Display the board and regions on the page let grid Maybe if the game was better, the code would generate. I am not sure. Overall, I really think there is more work here than this article and others of its genre portray.
- Sunhold 4y ago
cxromos 4y ago
> And herein lies the issue with ChatGPT, it can generate functioning code, but can also lie through its none existent teeth about it. now i'm really worried :)))))
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  Well it's not "lying", it's just making stuff up, which is what it has to do to be "original" or createive, else every time you clicked generate it would give you the same answer, same code etc.
erikstarck 4y ago
You guys are funny. An AI generates a game, comes up with the rules, writes the code and designs the web page for it. Your reactions: - Bah, it's not very fun. - It's been done before. - It took too long to make. Seriously. Let me repeat that. An AI generates a game. It comes up with the rules for the game. It even writes the code and designs the web page for it! Come on! This is amazing!
- matsemann 4y ago
  Did it come up with the rules, or did it just rehash an explanation for an existing game from its training data?
  - speedgoose 4y ago
    The model weights aren’t that big, even compressed with the best algorithm possible. For such an obscure game I would guess it came up with the rules. It’s difficult to prove though.
- tempestn 4y ago
  The "it's been done before" one is pretty relevant. It means the model didn't actually generate the game, but likely pulled it more or less straight out of its training data. It's still very cool that you can ask it for something and it can basically mine the entire (2021) internet for it, but it's not the same as being able to create something really new. I've noticed the same thing testing it on various coding questions. It's extremely good at problems that have solutions online. And given stackoverflow, that's a lot of problems. If you manage to hit it with something that it hasn't seen before though, even if it's conceptually very straightforward, it tends to just generate a mix of boilerplate and nonsense.
  - shynrou 4y ago
    Exactly. When the first news came out about it's ability to "understand" code, find bugs and improve uppon it, I tested it with some snippets of mine. It just gave boilerplate best practices you find on 100 of blogs, but was not able to make meaningful contribution. It claimed to have introduced a feature while only having found another way to write the same snippet. On other things it straight up invented variables & functions that didn't exist. As long as the task is in it's training set, it can give you a decent answer, but it can't code it just mimics doing so...
ChewFarceSkunk 4y ago
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alexmolas 4y ago
Amazing game! Solving it sounds like a LeetCode exercise.
- xxs 4y ago
  Solving it in general is quite trivial - solving it 'fast' is another story. I can write a backtracking algorithm or a constant propagation one on spot. Yet, I am not quite sure how efficient the latter would be, the former is obvious a brute force one.
  - sebzim4500 4y ago
    It's almost certainly NP complete, so an asymptopically fast solution would be one hell of an achievement.
    - Jensson 4y ago
      It is subset sum, it is definitely NP complete.
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Synaesthesia 4y ago
This game was on Island of Dr Brain.
- codewiz 4y ago
  Is this the game you're referring to? There are some similarities, but it's closer to Sudoku than Sumplete. https://youtu.be/gMnEBo0UICY?t=3495 https://youtu.be/gMnEBo0UICY?t=3495
  - Synaesthesia 4y ago
    It is the one, and you're right it's not the same game, although similar.
ilitirit 4y ago
I don't understand why people don't think this is noteworthy. Would it be noteworthy if it this game (whether or not it existed before) were designed and implemented by someone who has very limited experience with software development in a few hours? Well, the fact that ChatGPT did this means the former is now a very real possibility. That you can go from conceptual inception of a framework to a fairly complete product in a few hours with very little experience is a big deal.
- xxs 4y ago
  > why people don't think this is noteworthy. Because the game has existed for centuries. ChatGPT claiming ownership is nothing new, either. The current top post even links an android app that does the same.
  - sebzim4500 4y ago
    I haven't been able to find any reference to this puzzle other than the app on the play store linked elsewhere in this thread. ARe you sure that i) This exact puzzle predates the app ii) A description of the rules appears in the training set
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    So what is the criticism here? Lichess and chess.com both exist. does the existence of one make the other worthless? unimpressive?
    - schwartzworld 4y ago
      If one of them claimed to have invented chess, then that claim would indeed be worth criticizing.
- mabbo 4y ago
  I think the trouble is that ChatGPT's output made it sound as though it had invented the game, which is noteworthy on its own. That it also coded it up itself is pretty amazing, but it's overshadowed by the false more amazing claim that it invented it.
codewiz 4y ago
Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35010035 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35010035
codewiz 4y ago
Please publish the entire conversation with ChatGPT that led to the game. You can use this Chrome extension: https://sharegpt.com/ https://sharegpt.com/ .
kleiba 4y ago
A lot of the "it's been done before / plagiarism" arguments here assume that the game has been part of the training data. Do we know that for sure?
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  It's a bit of a problem that we don't know that...
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  It is really hard to find this out. There is no search engine for this data AFAIK, and it isn't all indexed by Google. Even if it was, what would we search for? I was hoping someone would find a reference on wikipedia or something, which would clearly be part of the training set.
- Narishma 4y ago
  There's no way to know that, is there?
- flutas 4y ago
  Uh... Yes? https://imgur.com/a/0k9aXGZ https://imgur.com/a/0k9aXGZ
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    The language model hallucinated the "kakuro minus" variant. Google says it doesn't exist.
djha-skin 4y ago
> Sumplete was invented and coded by AI ChatGPT A common misconception. Legally, the game was invented by the OP through the use of prompt engineering. The op retains copyright for it. A machine cannot hold invention rights or copyright anymore than a camera can claim copyright for a photo "it" took with your help.
- hn92726819 4y ago
  No. The world does not revolve around the U.S. copyright system. OP might be able to claim copyright, but OP did not invent the rules or write the code.
- jordanpg 4y ago
  These are hardly settled legal issues. This is uncharted territory. It will be years before appellate courts nail down these kinds of questions.
  - PeterisP 4y ago
    The issue whether OP has copyright or other rights over the creation may be uncharted legal territory (i.e. mechanistic noncreative transformation isn't copyrightable, etc), however, the fact that a machine cannot hold copyright is clear law, and not only in USA - the law (and the Berne convention which is pretty much universally adopted worldwide, with local copyright laws aligned to it) protects the rights of people, giving authors (if they are people) certain material rights. These rights may get transferred to other entities like legal persons, however, even if you'd argue that a work was authored by a machine or an animal, so what? Unlike humans, the machine or an animal has no legal rights whatsoever by default other than what specific laws explicitly afford them (e.g. protections for animal welfare), copyright law doesn't do so, and copying works authored by a machine violates nobody's rights because the machine doesn't have any.
hgsgm 4y ago
> No problem. I spent the next few hours iterating the game with ChatGPT - adding new features and improving the design. People are mad that headline over-exagerrates the impressive performance.
rashidae 4y ago
I love the game!
askiiart 4y ago
I'm sure someone has already said this, but there's another HN post about it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35010035 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35010035
martopix 4y ago
I asked ChatGPT to be my dungeon master for a tiny text-based dungeons&dragons game. It took a bit of prompt engineering (it would initially believe me if I unilaterally said I won dice rolls and even the whole game). The result was pretty astonishingly good.
pimlottc 4y ago
I thought the first image was the actual game, I clicked on it to try to play :P It's always nice to make sure readers don't confuse a screenshot and an actual interactive widget. The worst is when it's a screenshot of a video player, with a play button and everything.
m3kw9 4y ago
It’s cool it can do that but the game looks mundane as F
dmichulke 4y ago
> .. but the solution must be unique The solution is not unique, I just found one puzzle where I have 8----8 | | | | 8----8 Everything is solved except the 8s.
- re 4y ago
  Yeah, looking at the source code, nothing is done to guarantee a unique solution when generating puzzles -- it just fills a grid randomly and then flips a coin for each square to decide if it's part of the solution. Now I'm curious what the odds are of a randomly generated puzzle of size NxN having multiple possible solutions.
pfedak 4y ago
I would have much preferred if the author spent more time giving an objective assessment of what ChatGPT had actually accomplished at each step. The "Labyrinth Sudoku" description feels like a classic language model speciousness. It doesn't actually work: you can't fit the digits 1-9 if you can't use all the cells, and it hasn't modified sudoku rules in a way that makes paths relevant. Maybe you can come up with a way to salvage it, but ChatGPT didn't. The initial rules for Sum Delete should be read with this in mind: it sounds reasonable, but there's no reason to trust that it can make a puzzle at all, let alone a good one. Also, unsurprisingly, the provided puzzle isn't solvable (the 25 column requires use of the 9 in the first row). Similarly, I'd love a critical analysis of the initial code. Did it guarantee solvability? An awful lot can be swept under "improving the design".
SilasX 4y ago
If anyone is interested in talking about the puzzle app itself, I think I found a generated puzzle with two valid solutions (posted on the author's substack -- not sure if it's the same as the submitter). Unfortunately, it doesn't let you step back or even restart once you've solved. Here's the screenshot -- of the four remaining sixes, either of the two diagonally-opposite pairs should work (top-left and bottom-right or top-right and bottom-left): https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEirbBSd91xvgryc0ifU0rfr8OHhJda5aq-Q-5lprDdlp6Out4soviDUxwxEK793XZE6JpOaf-MLTqfypNMQh_MNicKXAwRFrx7MI8stxV16LL_KSf70vTjZ9KvDNd4jbQgNPsyqi73vcSJaLP1H8TYVKK8GCSYeD5yi37FzrxzSW6iDgwNAgx6a9wzxbg/s320/2solutions.png https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi...
ozten 4y ago
New growth marketing technique!
cosmin800 4y ago
No, it didn't
aldanor 4y ago
Potential QoL improvements for the game itself (maybe ChatGPT would have suggested them if you asked it?) - Ability to mark cells as "locked" (i.e. "definitely present"). It's hard to play it on a larger grid since you have to keep it all in your head - Built in calculator of some sort where you could multi-select a few cells and it would show their sum somewhere. Otherwise it's too much arithmetics to do manually
- djrockstar1 4y ago
  > Ability to mark cells as "locked" (i.e. "definitely present") Try double clicking
articsputnik 4y ago
amazing
insane_dreamer 4y ago
This is one of the most impressive outputs of ChatGPT that I've seen so far. Would be nice to see the entire list of prompts.
sinuhe69 4y ago
It can not guarantee a unique solution, though. Which in terms of logic puzzles is considered bad. In this particular game, you can choose any of the four 3s and the correspondent 3 and the game will end successfully. Another problem is of course the not evenly levels of difficulties with the same block size. https://imgur.com/a/I5FOdTm https://imgur.com/a/I5FOdTm

Puzzle link: https://sumplete.com/ https://sumplete.com/

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asicsp 4y ago
Discussed 2 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35010035 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35010035

The game in easy/intermediate is very fun and satisfying! However it doesn't seem to scale too well beyond this - it feels unless you get 'lucky' with one row/column having a very low total, you end up with many many degrees of freedom for each move, which scale, I suppose, quadratically? Sudoku at the hardest difficulty also has this, but usually the errors manifest a bit more quickly. It feels in this mode you could end up finding your error 'at the end' and have an absolutely diabolical time debugging your error?

fsckboy 4y ago
don't tell us, tell chatGPT to incorporate your feedback!
Lewton 4y ago
> it feels unless you get 'lucky' with one row/column having a very low total, very large totals gives you enough information to validate/eliminate numbers too
xxs 4y ago
I tried advanced (7x7) three times, it was quite doable. An obvious optimization would be showing the current sum of the rows/columns. Master (9x9) features negative numbers too, which is quite funny.
- mavhc 4y ago
  Advanced can be easily solved with some logic, odd vs even, eliminating impossible combinations. Master I've no idea how to solve
  - yesenadam 4y ago
    I tried 9x9 and it seemed impossible at first but I solved it in 5-10 minutes. I want to try larger ones! Keep fixing digits one at a time with things like parity, e.g. if the numbers are all odd and sum to an odd number, you know an odd number of them are needed. If a total is very high or low, there's often obviously only one way to make it. For totals not quite so high, if you choose the few highest numbers, and by trying ways to reduce the total by the excess, it becomes evident what the numbers are. ("Get your hands dirty.") Often a row/column contains e.g. two 7s, and you know one of them is needed, but not which until other information comes in. (Having an "OR" label/symbol to mark those would be nice I guess.) e.g. One of the columns I had: total 46, column is 16,-2,12,-2,14,-2,14,16,1. Eliminate the 1 by parity. I try adding the largest numbers, 16,16,14, which add to 46...and somehow I can see/intuit that there's no other way of making 46, as the -2s can only adjust downwards. So you green-circle the two 16s, leave the two 14s blank, as you don't know which is needed yet, and cross out all the others.
once_inc 4y ago
People often forget that sudoku has a number of rules which make the game deterministic: Sudoku Rule: Don’t Guess Sudoku Rule: Unique Solution You aren't supposed to guess at any point, instead solving the puzzle by determining a number's position by logical deduction. You aren't supposed to just jot something down and hoping for the best. Each sudoku puzzle should have one single valid solution. This has been used in the past by a devious creator that built his sudoku in such a way that the final n numbers to be filled led to two deduction paths; one leading to a single solution, the other to two possible solutions. As such, the only valid solution is the path where uniqueness remained. I didn't look at the code for Sumplete, but using similar rules when building the puzzle seems obvious.
- cyborgx7 4y ago
  >This has been used in the past by a devious creator that built his sudoku in such a way that the final n numbers to be filled led to two deduction paths; one leading to a single solution, the other to two possible solutions. I don't see how this differs from there being three solutions, thereby not following the unique solution role. Like, what is functionally the difference between picking the path that leads to one solution rather than two, and just picking one of the two solutions at the end?
- PeterisP 4y ago
  A solution is not a "path" but the outcome i.e. a filled board. If there exist two options to write in the numbers which both fit the originally provided clues and the Sudoku criteria, then that puzzle has multiple solutions. It's worth noting that "don't guess" technically doesn't change anything at all - a full exhaustive search of all options starting from the top-left corner is a legitimate logical deduction tactic (and a legitimate proof in mathematics), even if suboptimal. If you eliminate all the possibilities of writing in numbers, you're supposed to be left only one way that fits the rules, the unique solution.

elliotec 4y ago

Fascinating. I wonder how soon it’ll be before it can do the devops for you too.

manojlds 4y ago
AIOps is a thing right. And ChatOps as well, though it didn't get lot of traction. I am sure someone is already working on a ChatGPTOps
vorticalbox 4y ago
it could probably generate some terraform if you explained the task to it
- oofnik 4y ago
  Can confirm that this is indeed possible
anukin 4y ago
Yeah it definitely requires an AI to make sense of some of those k8s deployments
jedberg 4y ago
I just tried it. This was my prompt: create a terraform template to create a brand new aws account from scratch, and then set up and admin account and two users named alice and bob. This is what it output: https://gist.github.com/jedberg/dd31783e13521a69aa8923cb514276d8 https://gist.github.com/jedberg/dd31783e13521a69aa8923cb5142... (which at quick glance looks correct) It then said: " Note that you will need to have appropriate permissions and credentials to create a new AWS account, and this template assumes that you have those." So I asked it how to get those permissions and it gave me step by step instructions on creating a new account, adding a payment method, and getting the root keys. Then I asked it how to run the terraform and it gave me the commands to do it. So I'd say yes, it can do DevOps too!
sushiburps 4y ago
Asked ChatGPT the following "I have a static HTML file I'd like to host in AWS S3 using a CloudFront distribution. I'd also like to manage the domain's DNS in Route 53. Can you write me the Terraform to do this?" https://i.imgur.com/GW5rUpL.png https://i.imgur.com/GW5rUpL.png

romwell 4y ago

I have always been very skeptical about AI being just a pile of hype, but this is the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back for me. I don't know what the AI will or will not be able to do, but what's clear is that things are not going to be the same any longer.

courseofaction 4y ago
I have a narrative generation system in development - the hardest part of developing it is not just stopping and talking to the characters for hours. They surprise me time and time again. This feels like science fiction.
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csomar 4y ago
In the short-medium future the path of least resistance will be auto-completion. You can achieve faster with AI than without AI. People will also start "mastering" AI prompting in the same way they mastered Google search in the past. New Jobs: - AI Prompt Engineer. - AI Prompt Analyst. - AI Prompt Architect.
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  I recently read the first half of this: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/02/what-is-chatgpt-doing-and-why-does-it-work/ https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/02/what-is-chatgpt-... and as a programmer I can quite easily understand it, not completely but I immediately had similar thoughts to you...even if you are joking :) If you kind of understand how the prediction works, you're likely able to become quite good prompting it to generate mostly functional things.I really believe a lot of the articles we see here are people doing just that, understanding how the tool works, then getting 80% of the way to something functional , then using actual programming knowledge to make things work. I do think as others have said, this puzzle game has already existed so nothing was really invented, but...how would you know that if you didn't know the name or the format of the original puzzle game.

progx 4y ago

Battlefield developer could look now for a new job. Their "innovation" could be done bei ChatGPT as well ;-)

popeshoe 4y ago

It's still incredible you can coerce a language model to produce this, but it's not a new game, I've had it on my phone for a few years: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rohitpailwangames.summerpro&hl=en&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rohitpailw...

ducktective 4y ago
Nice find! Seems to be similar to a game called Kakuro. This [1] repo even contains a similar rule: > The algorithm exceed the rules that the sum over a row must equal to the value on the left and the sum over a column must be equal to the value on the bottom of the cells with the diagonal and one or two numbers [1]: https://github.com/MarioBonse/KakuroSolverCSP https://github.com/MarioBonse/KakuroSolverCSP [2]: https://github.com/topics/kakuro https://github.com/topics/kakuro
- hgsgm 4y ago
  That's the first thing ChatGPT said at the start of the whole process. It created a game like Kakuro.
samwillis 4y ago
And herein lies the issue with ChatGPT, it can generate functioning code, but can also lie through its none existent teeth about it. Using ChatGPT (or Co-Pilot) can feel like pair-programming with a very talented developer who loves to bullshit.
- neilv 4y ago
  ...and plagiarize like crazy, while lying about it. :)
  - ChatGTP 4y ago
    ...maybe this is the key to success and ChatGPT is here to show us the way! :) Ride those coattails and take other peoples ideas as your own!

sebasv_ 4y ago

Very cool! Although I would love to be proven wrong, I am still suspicious that this is actually a code sample from an existing game it picked up somewhere during training. Seeing how chatgpt struggles with basic logic I would be surprised if it can actually generate a new and workable game of logic.

Kiro 4y ago
The way I understand these models (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is that they predict every single word one at a time out of billions and billions of possible paths. So for the model to actually reproduce code you would either need to bait it really hard (reducing the possible paths by pushing it into a corner) or be impossibly "lucky". It can't just copy-paste something accidentally since it has no "awarenesses" of the source material the last neuron was created from.
- Jensson 4y ago
  It is trivial to encode text in neural networks, these models try hard to avoid that by punishing it in training but they still encode a lot of text word for word. The most famous example is "Fast inverse square root", it gives you the exact same thing with same comments etc.
  - Kiro 4y ago
    When you say it's trivial to encode text in neural networks, what does that mean for LLMs? What makes it decide to encode certain texts or not? Isn't it just one big network of neurons? The prompt I've seen for it to verbatim reproduce the fast inverse square root from Quake was: // fast inverse square root float Q_ When I ask ChatGPT to give me code for a fast inverse square root it doesn't reproduce it at all but gives me an implementation that looks completely different. So, my original thought was that the prompt above with the characteristic Quake III Q_ naming is enough to push it into a corner where the path is reduced to just one possibility (with that path being the words in the code itself) and not that it merely copypasted the code from an encoded version of it. I.e. it still predicts it word-by-word but with only one possible way for each step. This is just be my naive take on it though but I really want to understand.

TMWNN 4y ago

Astounding!

sdfgdfghj 4y ago

Is it safe to assume that anything which comes out of ChatGPT is not novelty but an existing concept or existing concept with some nuances?

ChatGTP 4y ago
Kind of, existing things only with 0.8 points of randomness injected for "creativity", I'm overly simplifying of course but it is kind of like that. I really recommend trying to get through this if you can: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/02/what-is-chatgpt-doing-and-why-does-it-work/ https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/02/what-is-chatgpt-... It raises some questions for me about how far this current model can actually scale / evolve without getting a bit too far out to be useful for human use. But it can (sometimes) connect things in ways that people have likely never seen before. Maybe if you just clicked the button all day, you'd wind up with some really impressive new games people have never seen before.
fellerts 4y ago
No, because ChatGPT doesn't understand "concepts". It helps to understand that all it does is take your prompt and generate the most likely words that will satisfy the user. This is how it was trained. That doesn't mean it won't regurgitate preexisting material (ask it to recount the constitution, for example), but it can definitely connect words in way that describes novel ideas.
- int_19h 4y ago
  It has the capacity to model things behind the words, which is what "understanding concepts" ultimately means. That it is capable of doing so from merely being trained to "predict the next token" is what's remarkable about it. https://thegradient.pub/othello/ https://thegradient.pub/othello/
mercer 4y ago
yes, just like everything that is novel
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samwillis 4y ago

> Sumplete was created in a few hours by ChatGPT I think this is an interesting note at the end, it's clear that the whole "conversation" hasn't been posted, and not clear how many prompts were needed to finish it. A proficient developer would be able to develop this same app to the same level (once they have the idea) in a couple of hours without ChatGPT too. It would be super interesting to see a full screen recording of the process (or a similar one). What was the total word count of all prompts, how does that compare to the code size? Don't get me wrong, this is incredible and inspiring (I'm regularly using ChatGPT and Copilot). But I think the post doesn't critically analyse the process well enough.

Lewton 4y ago
Yes, I think it's kinda rude (in a way) to cut out 99% of the ChatGPT conversation, because it gives people the impression that ChatGPT is even more magical than it actually is
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  I thought the article recently about the guy who used Mindjourney (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/02/viral-instagram-photographer-has-a-confession-his-photos-are-ai-generated/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/02/viral...) to generate a bunch of images which people on Instagram loved was fascinating. It was quite amazing how much actual manual work was going into some (not all) of those images in the end. A lot of processing in photoshop etc. I actually started to think that really, he was doing art, just not using a brush.
  - fennecfoxy 4y ago
    Yup, that's why the naysayers will always naysay. Artists will use ML as engineers have been using ML such as in https://youtu.be/aR5N2Jl8k14?t=198 https://youtu.be/aR5N2Jl8k14?t=198. I can understand the clash with artists not wanting their work absorbed by the machine, and I agree to a point: if the model reproduces their art 1:1 (or close to) then that's bad! For the artist and the model! If it simply takes inspiration for the type of art/style etc from other artists' work, well, that's what artists do themselves already! That's literally how people learn to be artists. But also, for an artist to complain that it's not really artistic, then where do we draw the line? They'll use a brush in photoshop that they don't have total control over the behaviour of and that's apparently fine.

johlits 4y ago

I wonder which JS framework it will prefer when coding larger stuff.

phist_mcgee 4y ago
One that causes the most flame wars on discussion boards.

DanSmooth 4y ago

Looks like a variant of Kakurasu [0] but instead of given numbers (1 to X) they use random numbers. [0] https://www.puzzle-kakurasu.com/ https://www.puzzle-kakurasu.com/

yieldcrv 4y ago

I made a game with chatgpt too I’ve been experimenting with the depth of “prompt engineering” I basically prompted it to procedurally generate rooms and fill them with NPCs with a common goal, on its own it persists the NPC names, genders, talking style, and the goal of the puzzle even though each region of the puzzle are procedurally generate I will absolutely slap an 8-bit GUI on top of that

aitchnyu 4y ago

I'm also impressed by the author, who didnt set a bar for the AI and call it a day.

bobmaxup 4y ago

I tried following the same prompts: The game: """ Sure, I can give it a try! Here's a logic puzzle game that I came up with: Title: Pathfinder Objective: The objective of the game is to fill a grid with numbers from 1 to N (N is determined by the size of the grid), such that each number appears exactly once in each row, column, and diagonal, and also such that the numbers create a continuous path throughout the grid. Rules: The grid is a square grid of size N x N. The grid is divided into different regions, each representing a different terrain or landscape (e.g. forest, desert, ocean, mountain, etc.). Each region has a specific starting and ending point, represented by two numbers on the edge of the grid. The numbers in the grid must form a continuous path connecting the starting and ending points of each region, without ever intersecting or overlapping with itself. The numbers in the path must also satisfy the rules of Sudoku, meaning that each number must appear exactly once in each row, column, and diagonal of the grid. Example: Here's an example of a Pathfinder puzzle for a 5x5 grid: | | | | 9 | | | | | | | 7 | | | | 3 | | | | | | | | | | | 2 | | | | """ First: As an AI language model, I am not able to provide a working code with HTML and JavaScript. Then, even through multiple tries, responses would kind of just end when the Javascript reached the display section of the algorithm, and everything before that was not really great either (hallucinated/pseudocode functions, etc). Example: // Generate the puzzle board and regions function generatePuzzle() { let size = 5; // Change this to adjust the size of the grid let board = new Array(size); for (let i = 0; i < size; i++) { board[i] = new Array(size); for (let j = 0; j < size; j++) { board[i][j] = 0; } } let regions = generateRegions(size); // Generate a path that connects all of the regions let path = generatePath(regions, size); // Fill in the grid with the numbers from the path let index = 0; for (let i = 0; i < size; i++) { for (let j = 0; j < size; j++) { if (path[i][j] !== 0) { board[i][j] = path[i][j]; } else { board[i][j] = ""; } } } // Display the board and regions on the page let grid Maybe if the game was better, the code would generate. I am not sure. Overall, I really think there is more work here than this article and others of its genre portray.

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cxromos 4y ago

> And herein lies the issue with ChatGPT, it can generate functioning code, but can also lie through its none existent teeth about it. now i'm really worried :)))))

ChatGTP 4y ago
Well it's not "lying", it's just making stuff up, which is what it has to do to be "original" or createive, else every time you clicked generate it would give you the same answer, same code etc.

erikstarck 4y ago

You guys are funny. An AI generates a game, comes up with the rules, writes the code and designs the web page for it. Your reactions: - Bah, it's not very fun. - It's been done before. - It took too long to make. Seriously. Let me repeat that. An AI generates a game. It comes up with the rules for the game. It even writes the code and designs the web page for it! Come on! This is amazing!

matsemann 4y ago
Did it come up with the rules, or did it just rehash an explanation for an existing game from its training data?
- speedgoose 4y ago
  The model weights aren’t that big, even compressed with the best algorithm possible. For such an obscure game I would guess it came up with the rules. It’s difficult to prove though.
tempestn 4y ago
The "it's been done before" one is pretty relevant. It means the model didn't actually generate the game, but likely pulled it more or less straight out of its training data. It's still very cool that you can ask it for something and it can basically mine the entire (2021) internet for it, but it's not the same as being able to create something really new. I've noticed the same thing testing it on various coding questions. It's extremely good at problems that have solutions online. And given stackoverflow, that's a lot of problems. If you manage to hit it with something that it hasn't seen before though, even if it's conceptually very straightforward, it tends to just generate a mix of boilerplate and nonsense.
- shynrou 4y ago
  Exactly. When the first news came out about it's ability to "understand" code, find bugs and improve uppon it, I tested it with some snippets of mine. It just gave boilerplate best practices you find on 100 of blogs, but was not able to make meaningful contribution. It claimed to have introduced a feature while only having found another way to write the same snippet. On other things it straight up invented variables & functions that didn't exist. As long as the task is in it's training set, it can give you a decent answer, but it can't code it just mimics doing so...

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alexmolas 4y ago

Amazing game! Solving it sounds like a LeetCode exercise.

xxs 4y ago
Solving it in general is quite trivial - solving it 'fast' is another story. I can write a backtracking algorithm or a constant propagation one on spot. Yet, I am not quite sure how efficient the latter would be, the former is obvious a brute force one.
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  It's almost certainly NP complete, so an asymptopically fast solution would be one hell of an achievement.
  - Jensson 4y ago
    It is subset sum, it is definitely NP complete.

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Synaesthesia 4y ago

This game was on Island of Dr Brain.

codewiz 4y ago
Is this the game you're referring to? There are some similarities, but it's closer to Sudoku than Sumplete. https://youtu.be/gMnEBo0UICY?t=3495 https://youtu.be/gMnEBo0UICY?t=3495
- Synaesthesia 4y ago
  It is the one, and you're right it's not the same game, although similar.

ilitirit 4y ago

I don't understand why people don't think this is noteworthy. Would it be noteworthy if it this game (whether or not it existed before) were designed and implemented by someone who has very limited experience with software development in a few hours? Well, the fact that ChatGPT did this means the former is now a very real possibility. That you can go from conceptual inception of a framework to a fairly complete product in a few hours with very little experience is a big deal.

xxs 4y ago
> why people don't think this is noteworthy. Because the game has existed for centuries. ChatGPT claiming ownership is nothing new, either. The current top post even links an android app that does the same.
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  I haven't been able to find any reference to this puzzle other than the app on the play store linked elsewhere in this thread. ARe you sure that i) This exact puzzle predates the app ii) A description of the rules appears in the training set
- hgsgm 4y ago
  So what is the criticism here? Lichess and chess.com both exist. does the existence of one make the other worthless? unimpressive?
  - schwartzworld 4y ago
    If one of them claimed to have invented chess, then that claim would indeed be worth criticizing.
mabbo 4y ago
I think the trouble is that ChatGPT's output made it sound as though it had invented the game, which is noteworthy on its own. That it also coded it up itself is pretty amazing, but it's overshadowed by the false more amazing claim that it invented it.

codewiz 4y ago

Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35010035 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35010035

codewiz 4y ago

Please publish the entire conversation with ChatGPT that led to the game. You can use this Chrome extension: https://sharegpt.com/ https://sharegpt.com/ .

kleiba 4y ago

A lot of the "it's been done before / plagiarism" arguments here assume that the game has been part of the training data. Do we know that for sure?

ChatGTP 4y ago
It's a bit of a problem that we don't know that...
sebzim4500 4y ago
It is really hard to find this out. There is no search engine for this data AFAIK, and it isn't all indexed by Google. Even if it was, what would we search for? I was hoping someone would find a reference on wikipedia or something, which would clearly be part of the training set.
Narishma 4y ago
There's no way to know that, is there?
flutas 4y ago
Uh... Yes? https://imgur.com/a/0k9aXGZ https://imgur.com/a/0k9aXGZ
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  The language model hallucinated the "kakuro minus" variant. Google says it doesn't exist.

djha-skin 4y ago

> Sumplete was invented and coded by AI ChatGPT A common misconception. Legally, the game was invented by the OP through the use of prompt engineering. The op retains copyright for it. A machine cannot hold invention rights or copyright anymore than a camera can claim copyright for a photo "it" took with your help.

hn92726819 4y ago
No. The world does not revolve around the U.S. copyright system. OP might be able to claim copyright, but OP did not invent the rules or write the code.
jordanpg 4y ago
These are hardly settled legal issues. This is uncharted territory. It will be years before appellate courts nail down these kinds of questions.
- PeterisP 4y ago
  The issue whether OP has copyright or other rights over the creation may be uncharted legal territory (i.e. mechanistic noncreative transformation isn't copyrightable, etc), however, the fact that a machine cannot hold copyright is clear law, and not only in USA - the law (and the Berne convention which is pretty much universally adopted worldwide, with local copyright laws aligned to it) protects the rights of people, giving authors (if they are people) certain material rights. These rights may get transferred to other entities like legal persons, however, even if you'd argue that a work was authored by a machine or an animal, so what? Unlike humans, the machine or an animal has no legal rights whatsoever by default other than what specific laws explicitly afford them (e.g. protections for animal welfare), copyright law doesn't do so, and copying works authored by a machine violates nobody's rights because the machine doesn't have any.

hgsgm 4y ago

> No problem. I spent the next few hours iterating the game with ChatGPT - adding new features and improving the design. People are mad that headline over-exagerrates the impressive performance.

rashidae 4y ago

I love the game!

askiiart 4y ago

I'm sure someone has already said this, but there's another HN post about it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35010035 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35010035

martopix 4y ago

I asked ChatGPT to be my dungeon master for a tiny text-based dungeons&dragons game. It took a bit of prompt engineering (it would initially believe me if I unilaterally said I won dice rolls and even the whole game). The result was pretty astonishingly good.

pimlottc 4y ago

I thought the first image was the actual game, I clicked on it to try to play :P It's always nice to make sure readers don't confuse a screenshot and an actual interactive widget. The worst is when it's a screenshot of a video player, with a play button and everything.

m3kw9 4y ago

It’s cool it can do that but the game looks mundane as F

dmichulke 4y ago

> .. but the solution must be unique The solution is not unique, I just found one puzzle where I have 8----8 | | | | 8----8 Everything is solved except the 8s.

re 4y ago
Yeah, looking at the source code, nothing is done to guarantee a unique solution when generating puzzles -- it just fills a grid randomly and then flips a coin for each square to decide if it's part of the solution. Now I'm curious what the odds are of a randomly generated puzzle of size NxN having multiple possible solutions.

pfedak 4y ago

I would have much preferred if the author spent more time giving an objective assessment of what ChatGPT had actually accomplished at each step. The "Labyrinth Sudoku" description feels like a classic language model speciousness. It doesn't actually work: you can't fit the digits 1-9 if you can't use all the cells, and it hasn't modified sudoku rules in a way that makes paths relevant. Maybe you can come up with a way to salvage it, but ChatGPT didn't. The initial rules for Sum Delete should be read with this in mind: it sounds reasonable, but there's no reason to trust that it can make a puzzle at all, let alone a good one. Also, unsurprisingly, the provided puzzle isn't solvable (the 25 column requires use of the 9 in the first row). Similarly, I'd love a critical analysis of the initial code. Did it guarantee solvability? An awful lot can be swept under "improving the design".

SilasX 4y ago

If anyone is interested in talking about the puzzle app itself, I think I found a generated puzzle with two valid solutions (posted on the author's substack -- not sure if it's the same as the submitter). Unfortunately, it doesn't let you step back or even restart once you've solved. Here's the screenshot -- of the four remaining sixes, either of the two diagonally-opposite pairs should work (top-left and bottom-right or top-right and bottom-left): https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEirbBSd91xvgryc0ifU0rfr8OHhJda5aq-Q-5lprDdlp6Out4soviDUxwxEK793XZE6JpOaf-MLTqfypNMQh_MNicKXAwRFrx7MI8stxV16LL_KSf70vTjZ9KvDNd4jbQgNPsyqi73vcSJaLP1H8TYVKK8GCSYeD5yi37FzrxzSW6iDgwNAgx6a9wzxbg/s320/2solutions.png https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi...

ozten 4y ago

New growth marketing technique!

cosmin800 4y ago

No, it didn't

aldanor 4y ago

Potential QoL improvements for the game itself (maybe ChatGPT would have suggested them if you asked it?) - Ability to mark cells as "locked" (i.e. "definitely present"). It's hard to play it on a larger grid since you have to keep it all in your head - Built in calculator of some sort where you could multi-select a few cells and it would show their sum somewhere. Otherwise it's too much arithmetics to do manually

djrockstar1 4y ago
> Ability to mark cells as "locked" (i.e. "definitely present") Try double clicking

articsputnik 4y ago

amazing

insane_dreamer 4y ago

This is one of the most impressive outputs of ChatGPT that I've seen so far. Would be nice to see the entire list of prompts.

sinuhe69 4y ago

It can not guarantee a unique solution, though. Which in terms of logic puzzles is considered bad. In this particular game, you can choose any of the four 3s and the correspondent 3 and the game will end successfully. Another problem is of course the not evenly levels of difficulties with the same block size. https://imgur.com/a/I5FOdTm https://imgur.com/a/I5FOdTm