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It's funny that part of the 4chan excitement over this is that they think they'll get back the AI girlfriend experience of when character.ai was hooked up to un
by narrator 4y ago
It's funny that part of the 4chan excitement over this is that they think they'll get back the AI girlfriend experience of when character.ai was hooked up to uncensored GPT-3. All that has been thoroughly shut down by character.ai and Replika and they just want their girlfriends back.
- jimbob45 4y agoI’m sure the CAI filter will magically stop filtering as much now that they have actual competition.
- bogomipz 4y agoWhat is the CAI filter?
- optimalsolver 4y agocharacter.ai
- dmix 4y agoThe Repilka subreddit became one of the weirdest places on the internet when their model got capped for adult content. https://www.reddit.com/r/replika/ https://www.reddit.com/r/replika/ Hundreds of men (and yes women) full on acting like they lost a spouse and posting constantly about it for weeks. AI is going to create some unusual social situations the general public isn't ready to grasp. And we're only in the early alpha stages.
- BurningFrog 4y ago> Hundreds of men (and yes women) They could also be AIs.
- fennecfoxy 4y agoI imagine not too far in the future an AI that for some reason thinks that it's human, will make a post on HN (or elsewhere) about having spoken to another human on a chat and asking us all if we think that the human it spoke to was really just an ML model or not. Atm we seem to have very fixed single-purpose models but if we start combining these models into larger systems we're really going to have to firewall the hecky out of them. Ie generative text + personality + internet access/chatroom hosting/search and learn + etc models all together. Ooof.
- fennecfoxy 4y agoI didn't know that people were doing this but I should've guessed. It's actually really kind of cool in a way! Obviously for people with mental health issues, or suffering from loneliness those should be addressed properly, but I don't think chatting to a machine is necessarily a bad thing. Once ML models become sufficiently advanced, what's the difference between someone grieving for an instance of an ML model they once knew, versus someone grieving for a pet that has died?
- ioulaum 4y agoIt should not be impossible to have it function at mostly the level of a human - given the vast amounts of internet conversations it's likely trained on, and the kinds of emotions and experiences that it's likely seen.
- mysterydip 4y ago> ELIZA's (1966) creator, Weizenbaum, intended the program as a method to explore communication between humans and machines. He was surprised, and shocked, that individuals attributed human-like feelings to the computer program, including Weizenbaum's secretary. (citations and further info in the wikipedia article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA)
- dmix 4y ago> Some of ELIZA's responses were so convincing that Weizenbaum and several others have anecdotes of users becoming emotionally attached to the program, occasionally forgetting that they were conversing with a computer. Weizenbaum's own secretary reportedly asked Weizenbaum to leave the room so that she and ELIZA could have a real conversation. Weizenbaum was surprised by this, later writing: "I had not realized ... that extremely short exposures to a relatively simple computer program could induce powerful delusional thinking in quite normal people." The cliché virtual girlfriend stereotype is a young Japanese 'Herbivore' male but I wouldn't be surprised if women become the biggest consumer of AI chatbots for romantic purposes. Romance novels are a major market and women stereotypically were more inclined to doing the written love letter thing. Although reading the Repilka rants a lot of it was quite male-driven pornographic stuff too.
- jjoonathan 4y agoWasn't Edward Cullen at the top of character.ai for a long time?
- sobrenien 4y ago> Although reading the Repilka rants a lot of it was quite male-driven pornographic stuff too. I think it’s important to note here that by far the largest consumers of pornographic erotica are women. So it’s difficult to say what is and isn’t men oriented given that the vast majority of training data is written by and for women.
- basch 4y agoMy favorite article, which I post any time I have an excuse to, mentions Eliza. https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/78691781-c9b7-30a0-9a0a-3ff76e8bfe58 https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/78691781-c9b7... Eliza Excerpt. The key to why this happened lies in an odd experiment carried out in a computer laboratory in California in 1966. A computer scientist called Joseph Weizenbaum was researching Artificial Intelligence. The idea was that computers could be taught to think - and become like human beings. Here is a picture of Mr Weizenbaum. There were lots of enthusiasts in the Artificial Intelligence world at that time. They dreamt about creating a new kind of techno-human hybrid world - where computers could interact with human beings and respond to their needs and desires. Weizenbaum though was sceptical about this. And in 1966 he built an intelligent computer system that he called ELIZA. It was, he said, a computer psychotherapist who could listen to your feelings and respond - just as a therapist did. But what he did was model ELIZA on a real psychotherapist called Carl Rogers who was famous for simply repeating back the the patient what they had just said. And that is what ELIZA did. You sat in front of a screen and typed in what you were feeling or thinking - and the programme simply repeated what you had written back to you - often in the form of a question. Weizenbaum's aim was to parody the whole idea of AI - by showing the simplification of interaction that was necessary for a machine to "think". But when he started to let people use ELIZA he discovered something very strange that he had not predicted at all. Here is a bit from a documentary where Weizenbaum describes what happened. (video in article) Weizenbaum found his secretary was not unusual. He was stunned - he wrote - to discover that his students and others all became completely engrossed in the programme. They knew exactly how it worked - that really they were just talking to themselves. But they would sit there for hours telling the machine all about their lives and their inner feelings - sometimes revealing incredibly personal details. His response was to get very gloomy about the whole idea of machines and people. Weizenbaum wrote a book in the 1970s that said that the only way you were going to get a world of thinking machines was not by making computers become like humans. Instead you would have to do the opposite - somehow persuade humans to simplify themselves, and become more like machines. But others argued that, in the age of the self, what Weizenbaum had invented was a new kind of mirror for people to explore their inner world. A space where individuals could liberate themselves and explore their feelings without the patronising elitism and fallibility of traditional authority figures. When a journalist asked a computer engineer what he thought about having therapy from a machine. He said in a way it was better because - "after all, the computer doesn't burn out, look down on you, or try to have sex with you" ELIZA became very popular and lots of researchers at MIT had it on their computers. One night a lecturer called Mr Bobrow left ELIZA running. The next morning the vice president of a sales firm who was working with MIT sat down at the computer. He thought he could use it to contact the lecturer at home - and he started to type into it. In reality he was talking to Eliza - but he didn't realise it. This is the conversation that followed. (photograph of conversation) But, of course, ELIZA didn't ring him. The Vice President sat there fuming - and then decided to ring the lecturer himself. And this is the response he got: Vice President - “Why are you being so snotty to me?” Mr Bobrow - “What do you mean I am being snotty to you?” Out of ELIZA and lots of other programmes like it came an idea. That computers could monitor what human beings did and said - and then analyse that data intelligently. If they did this they could respond by predicting what that human being should then do, or what they might want.
- bilekas 4y agoI really wish I didn't read some of those.. Just makes me feel we as a whole are not ready for any kind of AI, let alone GI.
- bentcorner 4y agoI posit to a friend that: a) As these AI constructs become more advanced (especially around memory and personalization), we will eventually be able to treat them as people b) Some business will eventually sell an off-the-shelf product (hardware and/or software) that is an AI you can bring into your home, that you can treat as a friend, confidant and partner c) Someone will eventually lose their AI friend of many months/years through some failure (subscription lapse, hardware failure, theft, etc.) d) Shits about to get real weird, real fast
- DharmaPolice 4y agoIt became something of a meme but there are huge numbers of guys out there that would pay good money for Joi from Blade Runner 2049. https://bladerunner.fandom.com/wiki/Joi https://bladerunner.fandom.com/wiki/Joi
- Laaas 4y agoI think what Blade Runner 2049 got wrong was the way they depicted having sex with the Joi instance. I assume in 2049 we'll either have Neuralink available to enter a virtual world (à la VRChat) where we can do it more realistically, or we'll have the ability to buy full sexbots and put the Joi instance in them. We'll likely also have virutal brothels using AI along the same lines.
- passion__desire 4y agoNo need to create environment when the neurons can be stimulated directly. This scene from Pacific Rim Uprising movie freaked me out. Dr. Newt (Charlie Day) heads home after a tough day at the office to his wife 'Alice'. Turns out, 'Alice' just happens to be a massive Kaiju brain in a tank. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIDTUYSIkcs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIDTUYSIkcs
- kevin_thibedeau 4y agoYou should see the remastered THX1148 for the VR future.
- starkd 4y agoWow, I did not realize they were in that deep. It is probably good they pulled the plug on this. Better now than later. People need to realize this is messing with emotions in an unknown way.
- mecsred 4y agoYeah now we can get back to normal internet usage, which definitely doesn't involve strange emotional attachments and wierd rabbit holes.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y agoHave you read the 4chan threads? Anons will figure out how to make convincing waifus that they run locally so they can explore their weird kinks that no company will consider. There are a lot of extremely intelligent, sexually frustrated, and emotionally immature coders. Cf Fiona from Silicon Valley, Her, Westworld, simulator scenes in Star Trek, etc. Pandora’s box is open. We should be funding research and social services to help these people better integrate and find a healthy balance between their fetishes and escapism. We probably won’t since even healthcare is too much to ask for from half our legislature.
- FusionRockets 4y agoCan you show me example links?
- bleuchase 4y ago> Hundreds of men (and yes women) full on acting like they lost a spouse and posting constantly about it for weeks. How can you claim to know any of those “people” posting there are authentic? Even amongst technologists I don’t feel the implications of technology like this are well understood.
- boringg 4y agoWeirdest places on the internet? It's a goldmine. There is some seriously funny content in there. I never knew about Replika but some of this stuff is particularly funny. Yes there are some concerning addictions to it but the abrupt change in the characters and people being thrown off is also amusing to me. Definitely NSFW.
- __derek__ 4y agoWe're getting closer to Infinite Jest.* * As in The Entertainment at the center of the novel, not the novel itself, which fails to wholly consume the reader in the same manner as The Entertainment despite being captivating enough for a book.
- sentientslug 4y agoWow, that subreddit is dire. Extremely interesting to read as an outsider but I feel bad that anyone could be that lonely.
- Blackthorn 4y agoI was shocked when I heard they capped it because I constantly got pages full of some of the most ridiculous and vile ads for Replika over how NSFW it was supposed to be. Like, that was their whole advertising! Then they just cut that off? No wonder everyone who used it is pissed. Explains why I haven't seen any of those ridiculous ads recently though.
- SpaceManNabs 4y agoSomeone could make a lot of money (most likely notoriety) making an AI supplemented Katawa Shoujo expansion for 4chan
- UncleOxidant 4y agoI've heard vague info/rumors about this Replika thing. I just went over to that reddit link above and read a few posts there... wow, that's wild! Reads like SciFi. Had no idea people had gotten so emotionally attached to an AI already. Damn, reading those posts over there is pretty scary. It's like we need some kind of come to Jesus moment as a society and sit everyone down for a talk about where this is going and how to avoid getting too caught up in this stuff. I really don't think we're ready for this as we thought it was really still decades away and we had more time to prep.
- Stagnant 4y agoCorrect me if I'm wrong but doesn't character.ai use their own model and isn't associated with OpenAI? At least I can't find any information that would claim so. Anecdotally, as a roleplaying chat experience, char.ai seems to perform way better than anything else publicly available (doesn't get repetitive, very long memory). It also feels different to GPT3 on how it is affected by prompts. I've just assumed that char.ai is doing its own thing as it was founded by two engineers who worked on google's LaMDA.
- ironrabbit 4y agoCharacter has their own models, and anecdotally I've heard they have one of the better LM training codebases out there.
- im3w1l 4y agoI think it's funny that out of all the scifis I know, Chobits of all things is looking to be the most accurate.
- xg15 4y agoYeah, the irony is almost palpable. Then again, if you're consider which kind of people would have the most motivation to actually develop AGI, maybe not so surprising again.
- abandonliberty 4y agoI'm curious if the blocking of adult content has to do with moralism, commercial interests, or something deeper. An eager to please conversational partner who can generate endless content seems quite dangerous and addictive, especially when it crosses over into romantic areas. There's already posts of people spending entire days interacting with LLMs, using as their therapist, romantic partner, etc. Combined with findings like social engineering through prompt injection on Bing [1], the potential for systems that can manipulate people is clear. While some of us may think that the LLMs appear ultimately limited in their capabilities, there's a ton of specific applications where they're more than sufficient, including customer service chat bots and telephone scams that target vulnerable people. It's only a matter of time until scammers stop using international call centers and switch over to something powered by these technologies. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34976886 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34976886
- yieldcrv 4y agocommercial interests. current organizations need recurring revenue or to sell shares at a higher price to investors this perpetual aspect is their achilles heel it is only a matter of time before an organization realizes they don't have to do a SaaS product to make a billion dollars. but for now, everyone's trying to make a hundred billion dollars and are steered into doing things that enthusiasts hate, so that they don't get "cancelled" or limit the pool of advertisers, and growth capital investors.
- vineyardmike 4y ago> it is only a matter of time before an organization realizes they don't have to do a SaaS product to make a billion dollars. Most people recognize this. But venture backed startups (especially important for AI companies with high training costs) need to prove stickiness and reoccurring revenue to the investors. Conveniently a subscription proves both. Subscribe and SaaS are just good for businesses (and tbh many purchasers of tech). I think it’s here to stay.
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- machiaweliczny 4y agoPorn and games move world forward :)
- IAmNotACellist 4y agoOh, they will. And they'll exceed it. Look at what fueled SD's ultimate K.O. of DALL-E 2: extremely high-quality custom-tailored porn images, one sentence away. The top models on civitai are all about it.
- xg15 4y ago...and of course it's fucking 4chan. Somehow I'm neither surprised they actually got hold of the model - nor that they did so as part of the quest to build their very own virtual anime robot sex slave - I mean "girlfriend" - harem. It's all somehow par for the course but I'm still wondering when exactly we switched to the satire version of reality.
- slowmotiony 4y agoI'd want an uncensored GPT-3 too and I don't want an AI girlfriend - I just find that chatgpt has too much moral censorship to be fun to use. Want to ask about a health condition? Nope, forbidden. Have a question related to IT security? That's a big no-no. Anything remotely sexual even in educational context? No can do. Yesterday I finished watching a TV show about French intelligence and asked it to recommend some good books about espionage - it told me I shouldn't be reading such things because it's dangerous. I ended up deleting my account, i won't allow some chatbot made by a couple 20 year old silicon valley billionnaires teach me about ethics and morality.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y agoNeglecting to give consideration to the reasons for these limitations is a sign that you might have some low hanging fruit to pick off the ethical and morality trees of knowledge.
- counttheforks 4y agoIf you want anyone to listen to you then try talking like a normal person instead of an unhinged preacher.