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Moved from the bay to Texas because of everything i heard. It was such a horrible experience. The heat, the bugs, the lack of density. So few days of good weat
by wysewun 4y ago
Moved from the bay to Texas because of everything i heard. It was such a horrible experience. The heat, the bugs, the lack of density.
So few days of good weather. Maybe worth it to some, but a bigger house was not worth it to me at all. We moved back in 6 months.
So many people want to live in California which causes more issues
- e10jc 4y agoSounds like me! I'm moving back to CA after ~2 years in Dallas. I didn't hate Dallas, but my fiancee does. But yeah the weather is awful: 115 degree summers, below-freezing winters.
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- jmugan 4y agoIt's hot, but 115-degree summers is an exaggeration. The high is usually around 100 degrees (still too hot, of course). I do much prefer the weather in California.
- hotpotamus 4y agoThe heat index in South Texas is regularly pushing the one-teens. It's why I'll probably move away one day despite having lived here my whole life.
- nonethewiser 4y agoOk, but the heat index is not the temperature
- lightedman 4y agoHere in SoCal the other year we were almost hitting 118 in August (killed almost all of my potted succulents, baked the roots) and that's BEFORE including the concrete factor. I'm a Texas native. The temps in Texas are nothing like what California gets. On the other hand, the rockhounding is far, FAR better out here in Cali. But you aren't doing that in the summer. You could do that in Texas in the summer out in the Llano uplift region.
- fundad 4y agoI decide to summer someplace rural in summer 2021 to see how I would do. It was a 5 week rental, nice vacation. It’s not just being indoors more but also being uncomfortable indoors. Boo
- pragmatic 4y agoYou didn’t visit or research local climate before moving?
- khazhoux 4y agoIt occasionally happens that even research does not prepare you for an actual experience.
- reaperducer 4y agoWe moved back in 6 months. That must have been expensive! You had to eat the second six months of a year lease on a house, maybe lost your deposit, too; plus you paid to move an entire family from California to Texas; then paid again to move from Texas to California. Then had to find another place to live in California and pay another deposit there. Having helped a friend move from California to Texas recently, it sounds like at least a $40,000 mistake.
- random314 4y agoTypically, you can break your lease with one month payment. And you don't lose your deposit. That's not how deposits work. Probably cost 4K, not 40K.
- reaperducer 4y agoTypically, you can break your lease with one month payment. And you don't lose your deposit. That's not how deposits work. Actually, it's how many of the leases I've had worked, and I've lived in dozens of states. Probably cost 4K, not 40K. It cost my friend $11,000 to move his one bedroom apartment from Southern California to Texas last year using Mayflower. And he was just one person, not a family. Moving an entire family from California to Texas and back costs a minimum of $20,000; unless you're traveling like the Beverly Hillbillies.
- xnx 4y agoWow. I haven't researched moving costs at all, but I'd probably buy all new stuff and still save money at those prices.
- random314 4y agoExcept that the expenses are all made up. I have moved my family for about 4K
- klardotsh 4y agoThese numbers are from /dev/urandom or perhaps /dev/null, or maybe they hired white-glove movers and car transporters and flew first class to their destination or something. I moved Chicago to Seattle for like $2-3k all-in (counting plane tickets) in 2017, leaving only couches and beds behind (just wasn't worth bothering to move the cheap Ikea-grade stuff I had). Seattle-Vancouver in 2018 and, a year later, back, were each ~$1-2k all-in by U-Haul and elbow grease, discarding almost nothing either direction. Moving isn't cheap, but on even relatively junior tech salaries, provided some savings or access to credit, it's truly not a life-altering event the way $40k would be.
- philsnow 4y agoBoot up google maps, go to east Texas, turn on satellite view, and zoom out a bit: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.162224,-97.8577697,1179315m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@32.162224,-97.8577697,1179315m/... That easternmost part of the state is the "piney woods" and it's lovely compared to the concrete island that is Dallas. The forests have a mitigating effect on heat.
- vogt 4y agoThe westernmost part of the state as well: I live 3 hours outside of El Paso near big bend national park at an elevation of ~4000. The winters are chilly at night; the summers are MUCH better than Dallas/Austin/Houston.
- rascul 4y agoI was at Ft. Bliss for awhile while in the Army and I mostly enjoyed the weather. I was never there for a full summer, though.
- jupp0r 4y ago"Lovely" as in was settled only after AC and refrigerators were available widely.
- MrOwnPut 4y agoYour Texas history could use some buffing. Or appliance history at least (though we had iceboxes for quite some time!) Maybe that's why we fought so hard for The Alamo; to clone it's futuristic A/C for later settlements...
- trentgreene 4y agoThe Caddos were living in east Texas pre-Spanish contact! The Spanish word Tejas comes from a Caddo word. There is a gap in the literature though as to whether the Caddos had central air. We can only speculate.
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- ActorNightly 4y agoIf you moved to Texas specifically to get a bigger house for your money, then of course you are going to hate it. We moved to Austin-adjacent and downsized on the house. We put away about 100$k from the sale of our previous house, and used the rest for downpayment, netting us a <$1000 mortgage payment per month. During the periods of heat or cold, we now just peace out and travel, because we have ample cash to do so and still manage to put away for retirement. Currently chilling in Miami till middle of next week. The rest of the time, weather is nice, plenty of good food, plenty of things to do.
- perfectstorm 4y ago> During the periods of heat or cold, we now just peace out and travel, because we have ample cash to do so and still manage to put away for retirement. that's nice but is it a good long term solution? i presume you don't have any kids. i wonder how this approach would work once you have kids and they start school. or maybe you do have kids but they are much older and moved out or no plans for kids idk.
- ActorNightly 4y agoWe don't have kids so yes it makes things easier. If we did have kids, we would optimize for other things.
- chronsk830 4y ago> i wonder how this approach would work once you have kids and they start school. Simple solution: don’t have kids.
- BeFlatXIII 4y agoOnly a matter of time until someone replies with some rant about how having children is essential to the human condition.
- dctoedt 4y ago> So few days of good weather [in Texas]. That's why I tell disbelieving Californians that we have better weather in Texas than they do: When we have nice days, we appreciate it, whereas when they do, they don't even notice .... :-) (Source: Spent several years in California long ago.)
- bombcar 4y agoThis is true of the Midwest, too. After the months of winter 40° days are barbecue outdoors and go for hikes weather.
- tshaddox 4y agoPeople hike a lot in California, if you can believe it.
- fortuna86 4y agoWhile people remain in denial about how nice it is to only have 2-3 months of livable outdoor weather a year, housing prices will always tell the truth
- disgruntledphd2 4y agoI think that property prices in Ireland, the UK and the Netherlands provide a neat counter example to your point.
- fortuna86 4y agoHousing prices everywhere have gone up, just not at the same rates. You can still find reasonable housing outside London, Dublin, etc.
- disgruntledphd2 4y agoOutside London yes. Outside Dublin not so much, unless you want to live on the other side of the country.
- runnerup 4y agoI like the heat here in TX. I moved from Michigan, where I also enjoyed the cold (but not the lack of sunlight, affinis Seattle). Saudi Arabia was a bit too hot for my taste, but Texas summers are very enjoyable to me. I may be an outlier, but I genuinely enjoy doing things outside in the Houston summers.
- Aloha 4y agoI grew up in Los Angeles, and moved to DFW from Seattle, I'm solar powered, while houston is a little too hot for me, DFW is quite pleasant. As it turns out I'm solar powered, I'd love to go back to Los Angeles, but I'll never be able to afford it again.
- nocoiner 4y agoBut DFW is hotter than Houston? Houston is more humid and can sometimes feel warmer, but DFW is typically 5-15 degrees hotter on the same day in Houston, and the heat there is comparatively bone dry.
- pram 4y agoHaha, did someone actually tell you the weather is fine? I was born in Texas and I've lived in Austin for 13 years and I've always thought the summers are unbearable. Although my perspective is tempered with what I experienced around the gulf, in Mississippi and Florida. The humidity there is so bad I literally don't think it's fit for human settlement.
- mc32 4y agoSan Francisco is one of the most humid cities in the US (so much that mold can be a problem in some cases). Relative humidity is on average higher than Wash DC --but lower than Port Arthur, TX.
- spiffistan 4y agoBut SF is also very chilly for California so it really helps with the perception of humidity.
- qbasic_forever 4y agoHumidity isn't so bad when it's in the 50s/60s Fahrenheit all the time.
- fortuna86 4y agoRight heat + humidity is bad, humidity alone isn't even noticed.
- subharmonicon 4y agoI am not sure if you are speaking from experience or looking at weather data, but in 13 years I have never seen indoor humidity high enough to make mold likely. Higher humidity with cool temperatures does not feel like high humidity with high temperatures, which can be unbearable. I sweat profusely in the latter conditions and not all all in the former.
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- fzeroracer 4y agoI moved to Texas from VA and absolutely hated the area. The state politics, the weather, the layout. Lived there for four years and only just recently moved back to Seattle where I can actually have reasonable public transit and weather. I feel like most of the people that leave for Texas will end up feeling the same.
- edgyquant 4y agoWe live in a country the size of Western Europe with climates ranging from tropical to frozen tundra most of which are full of cheap land and housing if you don’t mind living a bit out of the way… and you picked Texas?
- tshaddox 4y agoWhere would you choose to live with cheap land and housing where it doesn’t get extremely hot in the summer?
- MerelyMortal 4y agoAnywhere in the middle of the U.S.?
- drewcon 4y agoMaine.
- notwokeno 4y agoDoesn't that lack the diversity people in California like?
- slowmovintarget 4y agoIt lacks the tech jobs people in California like.
- notwokeno 4y agoMost are remote now.
- ThunderSizzle 4y agoYes, but the secret is virtue signaling doesn't require them to do it. They just need to tell other people to do it.
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- nocoiner 4y agoI’m a life-long Texan (more or less), and this sounds like totally logical analysis. I love living in Texas, but I don’t particularly care for our state government, but it also doesn’t affect me enough to affirmatively desire to leave the state. I’d love to live in California but not sure I could afford the lifestyle I’d like to maintain. In fact, quite sure I couldn’t - CA is a great place!
- tnel77 4y agoThank you for this take. I don’t live in California, but most of my family has this attitude of “California is the worst! Look how expensive it is.” It seems as if supply and demand has decided it’s a great place to live. Edit: Not sure why this take would upset anyone. I didn’t say it was necessarily good or bad to live in California. All I said is that the average price of a home seems to dictate that people enjoy living there more than many other states.
- stouset 4y agoYeah, every time I go home to the Georgian suburbs I have to patiently explain that—while San Francisco certainly has its fair share of obvious and well-publicized problems—if it were really all that bad, people wouldn't be lining up to pay exorbitant amounts in order to live there.
- manmal 4y agoI thought the high prices were due to wealthy startup employees needing to live in the area.
- chrisco255 4y agoAre they lining up really, any more? I know some tech companies are trying to coerce people back into the bubble, and force them to cram into a narrow valley in central CA, where high rises are generally shunned, just so they can spend 10-20 hours a week commuting into an open office distraction zone, but, remote work is sticky. People are not coming back in the numbers they were. And it's no longer difficult to raise money outside of Silicon Valley either. The next gen of startups will begin as remote companies and will remain as remote companies throughout their existence. Feel like the cultural center of gravity has left CA and it's in the early stages of a long decline. Detroit once had similar prominence in industry as the valley did for the past few decades. Motor City was a booming hub of manufacturing and music. And over the course of a few decades, it deteriorated. Jobs left. Local government got dysfunctional. Manufacturing left. Crime soared. Houses abandoned. Property values fell on relative and absolute basis. At any rate, CA is running on the fumes of its former self, when it was younger, more agile, less burdened by dysfunctional politics, had more opportunities for young people and young families. CA is a naturally beautiful state. But it's got deep-seated issues and there's almost a sense of an unfixable malaise, living there.
- xwdv 4y agoShould have moved to Florida instead.
- 29athrowaway 4y agoHigh temperatures? Air conditioning. Low temperatures? Heating. High humidity? Dehumidifiers. Low humidity? Humidifiers. Particulate matter? Air filters. Bugs? Pest control. Bug screens. Traps. Mosquito treatments. High energy use? Solar. Lack of density? Sign me up. More privacy, less noise, lower crime rate, and fewer problems in general. No rude people constantly in a hurry. The stuff there are no solutions for: hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, and natural disasters in general. Except for insurance, that is.
- fortuna86 4y agoBeing outside most of the year? Overrated.
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- jimbob45 4y ago>the bugs Which US state doesn't have problems with bugs though? I know none hold a candle to Australia but it seems like each has its own unique problem with bugs.
- sangnoir 4y agoAh, I see you're yet to encounter Texas roaches. Additionally, Texas is number 2 on mosquito prevalence after Florida, along with other biting insects. As a bonus, Texas is also home to recluse spiders, whose bites can cause necrosis. Texas is no Australia when it comes to dangerous critters, but of all the American states, it's in the top 2, and gives Florida a run for its money.
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- vineyardmike 4y agoHonestly? California. The entire western coast of the US (cali to Washington) has far less bugs than the east or Midwest. I assumed it was the drier climate but Seattle area doesn’t have a lot of bugs either. After moving west, I found in identical weather conditions, the west is better to be outside because it will have less bugs.
- JeremyNT 4y agoI'm a southerner (not TX, but living in TN currently) and I really dream of making it to CA some day. The south is cheaper for a reason, and CA is expensive for a reason. You get what you pay for. Red State governance is truly abysmal, the climate is terrible, and there is precious little BLM land to explore. If enough people leave CA to reduce the price (or enough people move to the south to raise the price here) I'd gladly move to the west coast.
- xcrunner529 4y ago[dead]
- nxm 4y agoAnd yet the economic growth of the red states, particularly in last few years has outpaced the blue states. Not to mention the tons of people moving into red states. Hence there are many that disagree with your assessment. I’m sure you‘ll miss Tennessee’s no state income tax once you move to California.
- iancmceachern 4y agoYeah but it's going to take 100 years for them to catch up with California, the 5th largest economy in the world