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ElonJet – Account Suspended

372 points by stefan_ 4y ago

techdragon 4y ago
Hey Elon… What was that about freedom of speech … I can’t quite hear you over the hypocrisy alert airhorn. Edit: Note for readers. I’m a political centrist not living in the USA and big Space fan and thus a big SpaceX fan. Elon is responsible for some cool shit happening that I really like… but it’s also incredibly hard to avoid seeing obvious negative behaviour he’s engaged in related to twitter and with everyone more angry at him than ever his attempts to be liked in public (the Chappell show thing etc) … I’d like the Elon of a few years ago back, he seemed more focused on just getting stuff done and less interested in reacting to the public perception of him personally… Also billionaires are a symptom of a broken society. No one needs more than 999 million even with current inflation rates eating up its real world worth it’s still more than anyone could ever use and we should probably just tax net worth over a billion at 100%.
- notright8 4y ago
  Kid is not expressing any idea. He's just promoting geo-stalking/gps tracking Elon. But he can still do it on Mastodon so his rights are not curtailed.
  - mcphage 4y ago
    > his rights are not curtailed Nobody is saying that they are. They are saying, however, that this is a serious about-face from what Elon has claimed in the past. He rode into twitter on a high horse and has walked back pretty much everything he's said since.
    - wellthatsawrap2 4y ago
      How is this different then doxing?
      - nraynaud 4y ago
        Because airports have a giant security ring around airplanes, so you can’t physically get close to him with this information. And it’s transient, so you can’t lurk and wait to strike. It’s like a comedian doing a planned show.
        hef19898 4y ago
        Plus, the tracking is on Elon's jet, not Elon as a person. So nothing is preventing Elon from sending his jet to NY, while flying, charter or first class, to Miami.
        nailer 4y ago
        A stalker could easily watch the exit for the suites (where private jets go from) at the airport.
        nraynaud 4y ago
        not different from a celebrity doing a planned appearance
        nailer 4y ago
        People's personal movements are not promotional activities.
        nraynaud 4y ago
        this is not tracking Elon Musk personal movements, this is tracking 3 corporate airplanes owned by Space X. There is some overlap, but it's the same as loitering in front of one of his companies HQ might help you find him.
        nailer 4y ago
        It’s literally called Muskjet. The purpose is to track an individual. Loitering in front of his company’s HQ would also be stalkerish.
    - denton-scratch 4y ago
      > He rode into twitter on a high horse and has walked back pretty much everything he's said since. Rather like Keir Starmer and the UK Labour Party.
      - mcphage 4y ago
        Sorry, I'm a dumb American and don't understand this joke.
        swores 4y ago
        It's not a joke, just an irrelevant (though accurate) comparison that doesn't belong in this thread. Starmer is leader of the opposition party in the UK, he was elected leader by Labour party members after making ten pledges, all quite socialist / left wing, but since becoming leader he's basically reversed every previous position he's claimed to have and is now taking centrist and even right of centre positions - upsetting many who voted for him (while others, though not me, say it's needed to attract more center/right votes in the next election).
        denton-scratch 4y ago
        It was sort of a joke - a wry aside that's true, and was meant to make the right kind of people smile. And you're quite right, it doesn't belong in this thread. Sorry.
        atchoo 4y ago
        Not a joke sadly. The Labour membership is quite left wing (understandably) so Starmer's leadership campaign was structured around 10 left wing pledges, promises about nationalisation, the EU, unity and continuation of the 2017 Corbyn era manifesto. He has since abandoned the majority of pledges, waged an illicit war against left-wing candidates, kicked the previous leader out of parlimentary party, appointed a centre-right front bench and frequently says appalling anti-union, anti-migrant and authoritarian crap. He is one the most dishonest politicians in the UK but given a free pass by the press because punching left is celebrated by our media class and never considered a fault.
  - techdragon 4y ago
    I can still bookmark Elon’s plane on FlightRadar or ADSBExchange… this doesn’t stop anyone “geo-stalking” … it just stopped one guy tweeting it. Oh and also hurt Elon’s free speech debate credibility.
- clouddrover 4y ago
  > Hey Elon… What was that about freedom of speech … I can’t quite hear you over the hypocrisy alert airhorn. Here's what Musk said about ElonJet six weeks ago (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456): "My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk"
  - arlort 4y ago
    > even though that is a direct personal safety risk Is he worried about his haters getting a hold of anti-air weaponry or something?
    - dontlaserplanes 4y ago
      Laser pointer is more than enough to endanger an aircraft.
      - rosnd 4y ago
        For some fairly absurd definitions of "endanger", yeah.
        dontlaserplanes 4y ago
        It's enough to force an emergency landing, yeah. And that endangers the whole air traffic around by putting it into non-standard situation, yeah. You have some fairly absurd definition of "absurd".
        Avamander 4y ago
        It's really not enough, no. There are literally videos of pilots blocking the light with a piece of paper.
        rosnd 4y ago
        As long as we're talking about regular laser pointers, at worst this mildly inconveniences the pilot. There have been tens of recorded cases of this every day for decades in the US alone, but not a single recorded accident. The idea that someone could meaningfully endanger Elon by pointing a laser pointer at his private jet is pants-on-head crazy. What next? Oil slicks on his driveway? Perhaps slowly poison him by idling a car in front of his house? Second hand smoking?
- cogman10 4y ago
  By freedom of speech, musk means the freedom to post misinformation and antisemitic conspiracies, not the atrocity of publishing curated public information.
  - icare_1er 4y ago
  - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
    > not the atrocity of publishing curated public information. I'd extend that with: - Anything that makes fun of Elon. - Anything that calls out Elon or rebukes Elon's statements.
  - wellthatsawrap2 4y ago
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- bambax 4y ago
  > and we should probably just tax net worth over a billion at 100% The reason people put these high limits is they think it will never concern them. But the reality is we should just tax net worth over a million at 100%; or maybe forbid wealth altogether. Or at least we should discuss that, instead of billion limits that may only affect a few people -- people who will never be part of the discussion in the first place.
  - endymi0n 4y ago
    „If being rich is outlawed, only outlaws will be rich.“ – roughly after Phil Zimmerman Thanks, I don‘t like that future. Don‘t get me wrong, I‘m all for progressive and _way_ higher taxes, but this extreme would do the opposite of what you want.
    - bambax 4y ago
      Maybe. But my point is that it's that we should discuss this, and not super high limits of over 1 billion that 1/ only affects very few people, 2/ none of which are likely to be part of the conversation and 3/ would still leave them extremely rich by any reasonable standard.
      - sgc 4y ago
        I don't even understand your point. 1. A billion is 1000x more than a million. It is many times higher wealth and far beyond what could be considered required for a family to survive on for generations. 2. A million is not even enough to come close to retirement, it is way too low of a number, so it is not even enough for one person in one lifetime in the US (which we are presumably discussing since the billionaire in question is taxed here). 3. The affect on publicly available funds from taxing the 1% of the 1% would be equal to or more than taxing the 99% of the 1%. So regardless of what you consider the right answer to the question (it's pretty tough to support without major caveats in my opinion), they are not at all the same and it actually comes across as an subtle attempt to reduce any potential support by muddying the waters, regardless of what you were actually trying to do.
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- MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
  - notright8 4y ago
  - techdragon 4y ago
    Not a reddit take, just common sense. At a billion your more powerful than several smaller countries, it’s millions of dollars a day in net worth growth, you could buy a new house smash the dining room wall in and use a brand new luxury car as a dinner table … every day… and still be making more money than you can spend… Being a billionaire is like ascending to a higher plane of financial being where the trivialities of normal day to day expenses no longer matter to you. Unless you do really stupid things with that money it’s almost impossible for a billionaire to get poorer. It’s a limit break on the functionality of capitalist society which regardless of the ethics of capitalism itself requires some sort of nerf/patch to prevent the billionaires from exploiting the rest of us and preventing us from striving to be what we want, wether that be a broke artist or a multi millionaire real estate developer.
    - notright8 4y ago
    - MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
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    - giaour 4y ago
      > Unless you do really stupid things with that money it’s almost impossible for a billionaire to get poorer. "Really stupid things" like buying a social media company?
      - sgc 4y ago
        That is like the average FAANG-wealthy programmer buying a modest house with a loan. It has little effect on his wealth outside of the egregious display of his behavior.
- afpx 4y ago
  The current system enables the power law. Bring back predator-prey to keep the resources balanced.
  - brutusborn 4y ago
    What do you mean by this?
    - afpx 4y ago
      just joking - had some extra karma I wanted to purge
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. Plus, twitter is a private company and can change its terms whenever it wants.
  - numbsafari 4y ago
    We can freely point out the hypocrisy and ignorance of the “free speech absolutists” like Musk. That would be a consequence of us exercising our free speech.
  - brigandish 4y ago
    > Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. Actually, the freedom is freedom from consequences (other than speech in return or being listened to or not).
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      That would require others losing their freedoms. If you're a dick, I need the freedom to say so, to encourage a boycott of your restaurant, to not invite you to parties, to protest your public appearances. All of those are consequences and important freedoms.
      - yencabulator 4y ago
        That's the "speech in return" part.
        ceejayoz 4y ago
        Then we need to discuss what definition of "consequences" you're using.
        brigandish 4y ago
        I gave the definition but I'll write it slightly differently if it wasn't clear before. Speech is free when the consequences are: - it is not listened to - it is listened to - there is speech in return to the speaker
- koonsolo 4y ago
  > No one needs more than 999 million It's not like anyone has the money in cash you know. You should rephrase your statement to "nobody needs more than a billion dollar stake in one or more companies". That is more realistic, and maybe a better discussion can come out of that one.
  - luma 4y ago
    Oh I'm pretty sure the IRS could figure out a cash equivalent. WE DON'T NEED BILLIONAIRES
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  - techdragon 4y ago
    To late for an edit now. And while just throwing the number out like it’s a bank balance is a bit of a hot take… I’m fully aware of the fact that any realistically useful proposal for this kind of wealth tax would require a lot of careful structural work to make useful and effective. It’s important to note that the USA is one of the only countries that expects overseas citizens to file tax reporting paperwork. Normally this is perfunctory stuff. But the key is that it’s law that living full time outside the USA doesn’t mean you have any loopholes for skipping the paperwork… The IRS is uniquely positioned under current law to enforce a global jurisdiction wealth tax on US Citizens … and since the USA already requires a payment for processing the renouncing of citizenship, you could just as easily place a punitive sized fee or fine for obviously renouncing citizenship to avoid paying billionaire taxes. But once one country moves toward this sort of law I think others would follow. We have international law organisations that are used for tracking financial criminals and if more countries had similar laws these international organisations would gradually be more and more useful in ensuring billionaires can’t just stash money in overseas banks markets trusts and assets.
    - koonsolo 4y ago
      My take is that billionaires are mostly made because they own a very successful company. So when you talk about wealth tax of these billionaires, you automatically talk about diminishing their stake in said company(-ies). And I think that is the main point that needs to be discussed.
- constantcrying 4y ago
  >Also billionaires are a symptom of a broken society. They are the symptom of any society which allows unlimited private ownership of cooperations. Just by probability alone some companies will grow by billions and any major owner will become a billionaire. >we should probably just tax net worth over a billion at 100%. Which, in this case, is totally equivalent to the government seizing Tesla or SpaceX. Billionaires do not have billions in cash, they are billionaires because they own assets, likely not very liquid, worth billions. I really hate to be shilling for rich people, but "disown them" is not the solution. The real problem with billionaires is that they are both extremely powerful and unaccountable. Both of which is the fault of the political class, which both shields the rich from accountability and gives them power. The informal power is the problem here. There is also a qualitative difference here. The billionaire who became a billionaire, because he built up a long term productive company and the billionaire who won in the positive EV Casino (the stock market) are not the same. The former might even be deserving (although I do not really like that word in this context) of some influence, as a legitimate representative of corporate interests.
  - techdragon 4y ago
    Yes, but it’s nigh impossible to strip them of the informal power without stripping them of the actual power they hold by virtue of stocks and corporate control, assets and cash… all of which are readily fungible into political into political donations and all the other forms of legal bribery like funding opposition environmental studies to block competition or funding lawsuits to change laws they don’t like or anything else they can legally leverage that financial wealth for. As ideally we could separate these two forms of power and achieve the removal of the unaccountable informal power… but the sort of large scale socioeconomic and sociopolitical reforms needed to do this honestly seem harder to achieve than just taxing the billionaires till they aren’t billionaires anymore. Maybe then we’ll be in a position to try and start the reforms and could have the sort of world where money doesn’t buy you unaccountable power… but I think that’s not something that would be achievable in my lifetime.
    - constantcrying 4y ago
      >Yes, but it’s nigh impossible to strip them of the informal power without stripping them of the actual power they hold by virtue of stocks and corporate control, assets and cash… Why? >legal bribery like funding opposition environmental studies to block competition or funding lawsuits to change laws they don’t like or anything else they can legally leverage that financial wealth for. Make it illegal, you are literally listing the specific things which shouldn't happen. Where is the problem? >but the sort of large scale socioeconomic and sociopolitical reforms needed to do this You just gave a list of issues. Ban every billionaire from contributing to lawsuits. Ban them from "donating" to anything and actuslly punish them for violating the law. >just taxing the billionaires till they aren’t billionaires anymore. This is just seizing corporations by the government. And the problem is that you expect politicans to move against their benefactors.
- LastTrain 4y ago
  He needs to be cruel to liberals to sell electric cars to conservatives. It has worked brilliantly up to now. I am also a SpaceX fan, and a fan of electric vehicles, but my distaste for the 'cruelty is the point' culture is starting to outweigh that.
  - kmeisthax 4y ago
    Given that the biggest grumbles coming out of conservatives is that they think Biden raised gas prices to make them buy electric vehicles, I don't see them lining up to buy Teslas anytime soon no matter how many Twitter liberals Musk puts in harms way.
    - LastTrain 4y ago
      You are explaining exactly why Musk has to do what he does to sell cars to conservatives. There is a huge amount of culture-wars baggage like what you describe that he must drill through to get them to even consider an EV. Being unabashedly cruel to liberals is the way. Liberals already buy his cars, because they are at this point in time the best EVs on the market - once that changes you will see a change in tone from Musk.
- whywhywhywhy 4y ago
  Wanting to limit people’s potential sounds like a hellish idea of a society.
- ru552 4y ago
  No offense intended with this Do you ever wonder how the people with your mentality cope with moving the goal posts? RE: "billionaires are a symptom of a broken society. No one needs more than 999 million" Do you think that in the 1920s people said the same thing but changed it to millionaire and 999 thousand? How far back do you think we need to go in time before the same was said about a thousandaire? I would guess the 1200s.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    Sure, this is why you account for inflation, like Social Security benefits do. 10% inflation? 10% increase in the benefit/limit.
    - techdragon 4y ago
      This is exactly how I think of it. It’s not complicated at all. No feats of mental gymnastics required just good old fashioned common sense.
- kevinmchugh 4y ago
  Musk made clear his personal commitment to free speech when he said Alex Jones would remain banned. Musk specifically cited his own personal experience and opinions as the reason Jones would remain banned.
  - rideontime 4y ago
    And lied about the experience, too, stealing the story from his first wife: https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-starter-wife/ https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-start... > He spent three days on life support in a hospital in Orange County before we made the decision to take him off it. I held him in my arms when he died.
- rchaud 4y ago
  > with everyone more angry at him than ever his attempts to be liked in public (the Chappell show thing etc) what continues to stun me is how tone-deaf his efforts are. Is he trying to be genuinely liked or is he trying to prove that he's funny" and "cool"? Popping up on stage unannounced at a comedy show of all places, to deliver a catchphrase from 2 decades ago was not going to end well.
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    Elon just craves attention, and he’s rich enough that he can get it wherever he wants. One day he wants to be a character on Rick and Morty, so they accommodate him. He wanted to be on SNL so he inexplicably gets to host and star in an episode despite being unfunny and untalented. He wanted to be on the Twitter board, they didn’t accomodate him, so he staged a hostile takeover of the company. Not to mention the cave incident where he tried to insert himself, was rebuffed, and then tried to ruin someone’s life. There’s a clear pattern of Musk forcing himself into places he doesn’t belong and no one wants him, and it never ends well for anyone involved.
    - tomhoward 4y ago
      There's some truth in this comment, and his reaction to the diver in Thailand was obviously not great, but at least on that topic there's a less scathing interpretation: In a desperate scenario in which it was considered highly likely that all those kids would be unable to be rescued alive from the cave by any means at all, Musk said something to the effect of I have engineering and production resources, we can try and come up with something in case it may be useful, and quickly built and delivered a device after close consultation with members of the rescue team on the ground, and also supplied various other forms of equipment and expertise. Luckily the kids were rescued and the capsule wasn't needed. That diver then said in a TV interview that Musk should 'stick his submarine where it hurts' - for absolutely no good reason. As I said, Musk's reaction was inappropriate and he's paid a big price for it, but it was hardly without provocation.
  - q1w2 4y ago
    Why do any of you care what Elon says? People here spend an inordinate amount of time loving or hating him - when he has near-zero impact on their lives.
- hackerman123469 4y ago
  Much like you then I love what Elon Musk is the leader of but I despise him and hate him with every fiber of my body.
- europeanguy 4y ago
  > I’d like the Elon of a few years ago back Were you one of those defending him when he was calling random people on Twitter pedos to his 50 million followers?
  - techdragon 4y ago
    I was not, I was one of the one’s hoping he would just shut up and get back to making electric cars and cool rockets to put people and robots and anything else we want into space.
    - europeanguy 4y ago
      He's not gonna send "cool rockets" anywhere. His business is hyping his stock. Were you also one of those who believed his cars were gonna drive themselves?
082349872349872 4y ago
I'm sure Cloudflare (or some YC lo-code?) would happily comp the elonjet kid their hosting?
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  Hosting isn't the issue here; the account was just hooked up to https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af.
klyrs 4y ago
Some context: https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-shadowban-elonjet-private-jet-twitter-1849882446 https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-shadowban-elonjet-private-jet-...
- bogomipz 4y ago
  From your link: >"Sweeney, a first-year student at the University of Central Florida in Orlando, says he uses publicly available transponder data from Musk’s private plane to track its location. That data, which includes the plane’s altitude, latitude, longitude, and heading are then fed into an algorithm he created. The @ElonJet bot then takes that information and Tweets out when Musk takes off and lands." I hope that this individual makes his bot code publicly available so that others can just keep putting up @elonjet clones on Twitter and elsewhere. This could so easily be put up again somewhere else outside of Twitter. I think a Kickstarter campaign for a site called something like "Free Speech Jet" would likely be very successful just on principle alone.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    He already did. https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify
- albert_e 4y ago
  > Musk addressed the issue in early November, saying he would ban the @ElonJet account due to free speech principles. >“My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk,” Musk said in the Tweet. Looks like the author / editorial team at Gizmodo missed a negation there?
refurb 4y ago
"Hours after he published his thread and after Gizmodo and other media organizations commented on his allegations, Sweeney published a new tweet saying it appeared Twitter had lifted its restrictions." Is this even a story? "Anonymous Twitter employee", "alleges", account not "suspended" but rather allegedly given "limited visibility", then amazingly the restrictions are gone.
- clouddrover 4y ago
  The account is now suspended.
- huimang 4y ago
  The account was suspended, then unsuspended quickly after, and now is suspended again as of Wed Dec 14 08:04:17 AM EST 2022.
  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    Close. The account was visibility filtered, then that was removed. Now its suspended.
Giorgi 4y ago
it's cost? just several billions.
- icare_1er 4y ago
  Couple of hundred millions, rather. But if your point is that a private jet is expensive, you're right Einstein !
  - sunbum 4y ago
    He's referring to the price of buying twitter to be able to suspend the account after Elon previously offered the owner 50k.
paulgb 4y ago
Musk a month ago: > My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456?s=46&t=fOeYnV21W6lEFV0oV7oWYA https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456?s=46...
- wheaties 4y ago
  ...and people believed him! Hopefully this goes on FB, Reddit, and every other social media thing it can.
  - mardifoufs 4y ago
    No worries, this is already coming from reddit.
    - copenseethe 4y ago
- nailer 4y ago
  It's entirely possible the account posted different content beyond tracking the jet. It's also possible a mistake was made and the account will be restored. When Kanye was banned for posting a swastika, people spread a rumor that it was for posting a picture of Elon looking fat. So we have a history of there being more to it here. Maybe we should actually find out what the account has posted recently, or see if it was a mistake, first?
  - dmix 4y ago
    Waiting to find out more details is antithetical to the internet outrage machine.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      Inventing imaginary details to justify hypocrisy is bread-and-butter of the internet outrage outrage machine. The @elonjet account hasn't posted anything outside the norm; I was a follower. Anyone who'd like to provide evidence otherwise is welcome to do so.
WhackyIdeas 4y ago
Tld’s available: Elonjet.lol (£3 for first year with Gandi) I am not affiliated with Gandi.
the_gipsy 4y ago
This is it, this is the whole reason he bought twitter.
alas44 4y ago
Really disapointed, Also small rant: on most websites you get suspended but without transparency on the exact infrigement, that's awful. You have to appeal and even then you are not sure of getting the exact reason.
- notright8 4y ago
- j-bos 4y ago
  I remember some of the funniest memetic images being screenshots of exactly why people were banned from 4chan. Exceedlingly detailed. Seems like the culture of providing reasons for bans has been largely chucked. Can't imagine that being the case for irl things like traffic tickets, but could imagine it being the case for say hotel bans.
  - MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
    The "No Fly" list is an IRL example, people who were erroneously on the list had no idea until they tried to take a flight and finding out why and getting it fixed is a nightmare.
- gaius_baltar 4y ago
  > Really disapointed, Also small rant: on most website you get suspended but without transparency on the exact infrigement, that's awful. You have to appeal and even then you are not sure of getting the exact reason. One of the most significant innovations from social media/advertisement companies that spread through the rest of the internet: ban for undisclosed reasons, putting critics and Nazis on the same bag, making understanding harder, etc. Bonus points when they hide behind automated systems and use this as an excuse in the event they get some bad PR fallout.
bambax 4y ago
Elon offered the owner of the account $5,000 to shut up. The owner counter-offer was $50,000, after which Elon cut off all communications. Then he spent $41 billions to buy Twitter, and proceeded to silence and suspend the account. This doesn't qualify as money well spent IMHO, but what do I know.
- indy 4y ago
  Perhaps he might have bought Twitter for reasons other than closing down Elonjet?
  - bambax 4y ago
    It's possible, yes. The evidence for that is scarce, though.
    - benmorris 4y ago
      Not really, in court filings there are text messages with him pretty clearly discussing his rationale. https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-texts-joe-rogan-larry-elllison-dorsey-twitter-1849600155 https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-texts-joe-rogan-larry-elllison...
      - Simon321 4y ago
        Elon Musk: EU passed a law banning Russia Today and several other Russian news sources. We have been told to block their IP address. Actually, I find their news quite entertaining Lot of bullshit, but some good points too --- Wow... Also looks like he's great friends with Larry Ellison. That explains a lot.
        PestoDiRucola 4y ago
        > Also looks like he's great friends with Larry Ellison. That explains a lot. Don't forget Peter Thiel.
      - 4y ago
borbulon 4y ago
...and there it is
nurettin 4y ago
Pretty much all aircraft data is publically available. This is probably it: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n628ts https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n628ts
- james_pm 4y ago
  It's very likely filtered out of the FR24 data. Use https://globe.adsbexchange.com https://globe.adsbexchange.com instead and you will get everything, including Elon's jet.
  - xiphias2 4y ago
    This one? https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
- mre 4y ago
  AFAIK Flightradar and some others provide a VIP service for blocking flight data. Elon's Jet is blocked there, too. Ironically, the owner of the elonjet account even told Elon how he could hide flight information on these platforms... > Last week, Sweeney noticed he couldn't locate Musk's jet, and realized Musk was attempting to hide his flight patterns from the @ElonJet using the blocking software Sweeney had recommended to him. Source: https://techxplore.com/news/2022-05-college-student-tracks-elon-musk.html https://techxplore.com/news/2022-05-college-student-tracks-e...
kibwen 4y ago
Meanwhile: "Twitter has stopped paying rent on offices and is considering not paying severance packages to former employees, among other measures." https://archive.vn/iGZH3 https://archive.vn/iGZH3 The grand irony of Elon Musk forcing formerly-remote employees to work from an office whose rent he refuses to pay for.
- propogandist 4y ago
- andix 4y ago
  What? Why? You can’t run a business like that for very long. 1-2 years max. Then all the law suits will eat you up. Deliberately not paying may lead to criminal charges too.
  - yks 4y ago
    Certain individuals like Elon might have acquired a not completely unfounded belief that “rule of law” in fact does not apply to them personally.
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    - acjacobson 4y ago
      You'd think he'd be disabused of that notion when he was forced to buy Twitter after trying to back out of the acquisition agreement.
      - theCrowing 4y ago
        but he wasn't forced... he could've been but we will never know.
        kibwen 4y ago
andrewinardeer 4y ago
Is Musk seriously that unhinged that he publically commits to allowing the account to tweet what it does and then a few weeks later he nukes it? Does anyone know the reason for the suspension? Perhaps a false positive on the ML behalf?
- muglug 4y ago
  I'm just guessing here, but I assume Musk realised what Trump did some years ago: > “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters,” he said. A large percentage of Musk's followers are devoted to him and to whatever he says his cause is on any given day. He can move the goalposts and they'll cheer him for it.
  - dale_glass 4y ago
    I think Musk will have a lot more trouble with that logic than Trump did. People who like Trump like his usual behavior, with all its crassness. People who like Musk mostly liked his former behavior: building electric cars, launching rockets into space and talking about saving humanity, and tried to sweep his public behavior under the rug as much as possible. That's no longer working very well. People who'd formerly be proud to own a Tesla are now starting to have second thoughts.
    - tailspin2019 4y ago
      My second thoughts on buying a Tesla started a few years ago now when following a car crash involving a Tesla, they would start to publicly blame the actions of the (sometimes dead) driver (aka “their customer”) based on their “logs” - when there was a clear incentive for them to find the first possible thing that they could point to, to indicate driver error rather than, for example, an autopilot error. Even if they were technically right in some cases, this just seemed to be in such poor taste, often impossible to verify, and just felt wrong on so many levels. And poor PR and a disproportionate focus on Tesla in the media is not a good enough excuse. I can’t help thinking that it’s another example of Elon’s reactionary thin skin mentality driving company policy.
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maurits 4y ago
My personal favorite is the Geneva Dictator Alert [1] [1] https://twitter.com/gva_watcher https://twitter.com/gva_watcher
cduzz 4y ago
"Free Speech" by whom? Musk owns the platform, he can do whatever he wants with it. Twitter is and always was an advertising / entertainment platform that had a weird side effect of distributing information. It's a shame that he done broke it. But "free speech" is "the government puts you in jail/kills/takes your stuff for saying or not saying something." Twitter, FaceBook, ToothSocial, breightbargh, NYT, FoxNews -- all have an editorial voice, exist to advertise and entertain, and are not really under any obligation to promote or not promote any specific agenda. There's some gray area where the US "Common Carrier" doctrine (where a conveyance isn't liable for what people use it for, if they impose no editorial control over the content, such as the situation of someone defrauding someone else using a telegram protects the telegram operator from liability). The best case would probably just be to say that "algorithmic" moderating is editorial control so the facebook and traughsocial and twitter all would be liable for content, and thus not viable enterprises. Good Riddance.
- threatofrain 4y ago
  That's not what Elon considers free speech. It's completely fair game to hold him by his own standards. Elon mentioned this account in the same breath as the defense of free speech and committed to not banning it.
  - cduzz 4y ago
    Pretty clearly, at best, Elon is a twit. His stated views and his public actions are at odds, and his reputation for honesty or trustworthiness will be affected. But people are free to change their minds, or lie, and everyone else is free to form an opinion or make decisions as a result.
- b0sk 4y ago
  https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456
bluescrn 4y ago
I thought everyone was leaving Twitter and moving to alternatives? Doesn't seem to have happened. Everyone's more obsessed than ever with Twitter drama.
- xiphias2 4y ago
  What's really funny is that I see people on Twitter tweeting about leaving Twitter every day. I know they won't, so the whole thing doesn't make any sense.
  - fleddr 4y ago
    Nobody with skin in the game will. I respect people that take a stand, but then you have to execute. Delete your account, anything less makes you a hypocrite. Don't de-activate, don't cross-post. Delete it. Nobody with a big following is willing to do that. They know that their inflated relevancy only works within Twitter and absolutely nowhere else.
    - welterde 4y ago
      On the other hand a certain bias is at play here, since you won't see the people that just deleted their accounts (or announced that they would and then executed on it).
      - fleddr 4y ago
        True for small accounts, not for big accounts.
      - xiphias2 4y ago
        Sure, they all do what they want, and also I have to decide whether it's worth following him to pollute my twitter feed or not. So far I believe that I'm getting more value by still following that person, and also it's great to see some opposing viewpoints to other people on Twitter. I just wish it was a bit more nuanced.
    - estebank 4y ago
mauvehaus 4y ago
And people wonder why I'm willing to endure a year or two of DSL until a local fiber provider lights up the town where we're buying a house. Sure, starlink is an option, but I'll be just fine knowing I'm not sending any of my money into his pockets.
rhaksw 4y ago
Wake me when Twitter starts showing which users have been de-amplified: > Twitter is working on a software update that will show your true account status, so you know clearly if you’ve been shadowbanned, the reason why and how to appeal [1] That's the real story. This suspension is transparent and relatively uninteresting compared to the vast amount of moderation that we can't see. [1] https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1601042125130371072 https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/16010421251303710...
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  They showed a few (all prominent Republicans), but mostly unsurprising ones. I really want to know what fraction of accounts end up automatically being de-amplified.
  - rhaksw 4y ago
    It would be great to have all of that data. Even just being able to see the status of your own account would be interesting.
    - pclmulqdq 4y ago
      It wouldn't fit the narrative if they just gave out the data...
aaron695 4y ago
areoform 4y ago
I think the rubicon was crossed when the acquirer insinuated that an executive who went to bat for him was a pedophile. The executive has had to go into hiding. There are lines that we shouldn’t cross in a civil society. Supporting blood libel adjacent claims is at the top of the list. https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy79wm/elon-musk-yoel-roth-threats https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy79wm/elon-musk-yoel-roth-t... https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/12/musk-twitter-harass-yoel-roth/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/12/musk-tw...
- threatofrain 4y ago
  Elon Musk also accused an emergency rescue worker of pedophilia during a deadly rescue mission. He double-downed on the claim by elaborating on his reasons for thinking that the rescue worker was having sex with underaged Thai boys. Elon wanted to completely destroy the rescue worker as punishment for insulting his high tech submarine solution over social media.
  - LastTrain 4y ago
    Because the rescue worker rightly said it was a waste of valuable time, of which there was little left, to try Musk's sub idea.
    - concordDance 4y ago
      Nah, because the rescue worker said he could shove his sub where the sun don't shine. Note that the chief of the rescue operation did ask Musk to continue working on the sub.
      - LastTrain 4y ago
        Thanks for adding some more detail. You are saying the diver who was in the middle of risking his life to save children was an asshole that deserved to be called a pedophile by the richest may on earth. I haven't learned anything new about the diver or Musk, but I know something about you now.
brigandish 4y ago
- kibwen 4y ago
  Unverified? The account is suspended. You can click the link and see that the account is suspended. I have just done so moments ago to confirm that it is still suspended.
  - fleddr 4y ago
    That's not the point. The point is the reason for the suspension. A personal grievance from Musk himself? Or caught up in the great bot purge that happened this week?
    - nickthegreek 4y ago
      So the choices are either Elon lied again or the employees that stayed to work there cant code? This is a bot account that was correctly identified itself and used the proper APIs.
      - brigandish 4y ago
        Show me a programmer that has never created a bug and I'll show you a liar. Regardless, that's not even all the possibilities, do we know what it's last tweets were? Was it mass reported? Was it taken down by an employee or a bot? Was that on purpose or by mistake? Feel free to add more, because surely they exist.
        nickthegreek 4y ago
        Or... just maybe.... Elon had it removed. I'm gonna be honest, I'm going to go with that until other evidence is presented. But I'm sure Elon Musk, for the sake of transparency, will not only reinstate the account, but make sure that it has the same label attached to it as the LibsofTikTok account to stop this from happening in the future and give us a full report on how this happened...
andagainand 4y ago
It doesn't matter what musk, does it? musk won't lose popularity amongst his fanboy. They will lick his boots until he's replaced by the next loudmouth. musk could ban every extremist right-wing tweeter, fire 95% of his employees and not pay any severance then throw bags of dog feces at the laid off engineers' children. They would still love him, hell, they would love him more. This is a danger of idol worship. Once somebody has achieved influence they almost always use it in a destructive manner. But hey, he's rich.
- notright8 4y ago
snshn 4y ago
It's a sign that he's getting too many death threats. Banning the account was to reduce the amount of noise he gets, so his security could focus on ones that are more realistic.
benmorris 4y ago
I'm not sure why anyone expected twitter not to be run like another of his other companies. This freedom of speech play will always be secondary to Elon's whims.
andreygrehov 4y ago
It could be that the account was auto-suspended along with many other bot-accounts they suspended recently. So, algorithm?
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cinntaile 4y ago
I'm somewhat surprised by this and I'll give Elon the benefit of the doubt until it's more clear what has happened.
- d23 4y ago
  This quote is a perfect summation of how every bad faith actor in human history is enabled.
  - fleddr 4y ago
    You're the bad faith actor here. You come to conclusion with zero facts.
    - SilverBirch 4y ago
      The benefit of the doubt is something you generally give someone the first time they do something seemingly wrong or disingenuous. For example, the first time someone makes a baseless claim that someone they don't like is a pedophile, you might go "Well, that guy might know something I don't..." but when that person goes on to act like an asshole for the next decade, at some point you have to stop giving the benefit of the doubt. Do you still give Musk the benefit of the doubt about the moderation council he's planning to form before he lets Trump back on the platform?
      - fleddr 4y ago
        This isn't about any benefit of the doubt, this is about confidently dropping conclusions on incomplete information. That's hysterical speculation, not "benefit of the doubt". Further, no, I don't pass judgement on every single action or word somebody expressed based on prior behavior. This creates Disney-like villains, which is for the simple minded.
        SilverBirch 4y ago
        I mean... this comment thread is literally about whether it's reasonable to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not "hysterical" to say the guy we know the guy didn't like the account, he'd tried to get it removed before, and despite him saying he wouldn't remove it, he probably has, because he's lied before. You're reading a load of emotion into something that doesn't have to be emotional. It's just a pretty obvious point that once you give someone the benefit of the doubt and they showed they don't deserve it, you probably shouldn't give it to them again. Otherwise, as one of the previous posters pointed out, you're going to continually reserve judgement against what is clearly a bad actor. It's a pretty simple point about an iterated game.
concordDance 4y ago
I bet £20 that this was due to the anti-bot purge and not a direct action from Elon. Good odds it'll be reinstated. Unfortunately, the vast majority of readers will not hear about it if it is and thus the negative sentiment about Musk continues to accumulate as the myths and partial storied live on...
- _djo_ 4y ago
  This was not an inauthentic account pretending to be a real person, which is the type of bot you want purged, it was a properly registered account using the Twitter API in a way that said it was a bot.[0] So it makes no sense for it to have been caught up in an anti-bot purge. [0] https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/tutorials/how-to-create-a-twitter-bot-with-twitter-api-v2 https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/tutorials/how-to-creat...
- SilverBirch 4y ago
  Fuck up seems more likely than conspiracy. It'll be interesting to see if Elon brings it back though, at the end of the day he's already getting booed in public, at this point he bought the company he might as well get something out of it. No one in the demographic he's appealing to will hold it against him.
  - bambax 4y ago
    A conspiracy involves several people doing things in secret. A direct order from a megalomaniac that results in something very public doesn't fit that definition.
- concordDance 4y ago
  Welp, first person to reply gets to name the charity I donate £20 to.
  - RivieraKid 4y ago
    RivieraKid Foundation
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cbeach 4y ago
"Script kiddie uses Twitter to systematiclaly dox owner of Twitter. Gets banned from Twitter" How is this news? I know at the moment it's trendy to hate Musk (although no one will admit the underlying political reasons), but come on, we're better than this.
- blitzar 4y ago
  ABSOLUTE FREE SPEECH
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    Damned if you do it, damned if you don't. Just damned if you're not a Democrat in general.
- rideontime 4y ago
  you don't think it's notable that he so quickly reneged on this promise? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456
shafyy 4y ago
Not looking to accuse anybody. But why is this thread not on the first page anymore? It was there a second ago, and it's still actively being upvoted and commented on.
- d23 4y ago
  I’ve seen this before. The best I’ve been able to come up with is that if it gets enough downvotes it’s considered controversial and gets ranked lower, even if the overall score is high.
  - shafyy 4y ago
    Probably the occam's razor explanation
hobbitstan 4y ago
Twitter is a private company. Don’t like it? Build your own.
- blitzar 4y ago
  I thought it was the town square of the world?
  - hobbitstan 4y ago
    Was it before Elon bought it?
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blitzar 4y ago
ElonJet was "citizen journalism" at its finest, fighting against the Woke Mind Virus of virtue signalling private jet owners. Today is a sad day in the fight.
clouddrover 4y ago
Details about ElonJet: - Website: https://grndcntrl.net/falconlanding/ https://grndcntrl.net/falconlanding/ - Git repo: https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify - Author's Twitter: https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney His other jet tracker SpaceXJet is also suspended on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SpaceXJet https://twitter.com/SpaceXJet
andsoitis 4y ago
You should know that Musk, even though he positions himself as politically central/right (depending on your frame of reference) and espouses free speech, is neither of a particular political conviction nor particularly cares for free speech (unless it is his or that if others who say things in his interest). He is ultimately only looking out for his own interest and will say and do whatever he considers in the moment to advance his own goals. Fans who think he is anti-woke or pro-free speech are naïve to think he stands for rock solid principles… he is only projecting those characteristics to manipulate to get what he wants.
- moomin 4y ago
  The Galaxy brain thing is to realise that’s true of literally all of them.
  - Spivak 4y ago
    - RivieraKid 4y ago
      The current US president is a reasonably well-meaning and ethical person, very likely above the 50% percentile in the population. On the other hand, Musk's personality is way out of the range of normality, in a bad way. He's narcissistic, psychopatic, manipulative, pathologically dishonest, cruel. And he's always been like this, although perhaps with money and power he's starting to lose the self-control necessary to keep the mask on. I'm kind of proud that I realized who he was in early 2018, which was before any of the big scandals (e.g. pedo guy, funding secured, ...).
    - pessimizer 4y ago
      > How can you say that when we’re surrounded by sincerity. Hell it’s true of our current president. Biden has consistently lied throughout his entire political career to the point that it's been a running joke for decades. He doesn't even know when he's lying - he still repeats lies that he was publicly called out on a decade or more ago. Trump lies to make people like him and pay attention to him. Biden lies compulsively. > He quietly became the most progressive president in history What a bizarre claim. He literally just overruled a union strike vote so an industry claiming record profits wouldn't have to give its employees sick days.
yafbum 4y ago
Musk is now to Twitter as Murdoch to Fox News. A billionaire owner in favor of "fair and balanced" media.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Musk censoring an account that tracked and broadcast his movements makes him pretty much the same as Murdoch and Fox news.
xyst 4y ago
Space Karen strikes again
toofy 4y ago
what is so frustrating about this is, musk recognizes that when this account sends out his location (while it is publicly findable) that this information could potentially elevate a threat to his safety. he recognizes this threat and takes steps to mitigate. but it almost seems like he enjoys watching elevating threats to other people, and even worse he gloats and declares they are unreasonable if they ask for mitigation to help protect themselves or their group. i hope this guy finds his empathy for others.
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mensetmanusman 4y ago
Does the account apply a delay? With the number of crazies out there, it probably would be less of an issue if there were a delay longer than average staying time. Also, this information will still be on Twitter through the Streisand Effect
gadders 4y ago
- anononaut 4y ago
  Nothing new under the sun. This is politics as its been since 2012. Redditors in this thread will clutch their pearls and nothing will come of it.
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kmeisthax 4y ago
Casual reminder that: - Elon Musk was never a free speech extremist, he just wanted to bootstrap his money pit rocket company off of both sides of the Ukraine-Russia war. - Elon Musk has always been hostile to the kinds of things the hacker community really appreciates, such as Free software, right to repair, and so on. This was way before he got into vice signalling to the far-right. - Elon Musk did not found Tesla, he just pushed the founders out and erased them from the company history. - The Boring Company will never solve traffic because the solution to traffic is to stop building roads and start putting houses on top of businesses so people can walk to work.
_djo_ 4y ago
Notably, as best as I can tell none of the other automated aircraft tracking bot accounts have been suspended. Just this one.
_ache_ 4y ago
This is not about freedom of expression. Freedom of speech is the ability to express yourself. It is not about the publisher publishing you. You can create your own paper/website/communication and distribute it. No one is obligated to publish you.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  Musk asserted free speech gave him precisely that obligation last month. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456
puskavi 4y ago
I dont see any sites over facebook tracking Zuckerberg's jets..
bluishgreen 4y ago
Wondering aloud, what if someone were to write something that will attach Elon jet's location as an email signature?

372 points by stefan_ 4y ago

Hey Elon… What was that about freedom of speech … I can’t quite hear you over the hypocrisy alert airhorn. Edit: Note for readers. I’m a political centrist not living in the USA and big Space fan and thus a big SpaceX fan. Elon is responsible for some cool shit happening that I really like… but it’s also incredibly hard to avoid seeing obvious negative behaviour he’s engaged in related to twitter and with everyone more angry at him than ever his attempts to be liked in public (the Chappell show thing etc) … I’d like the Elon of a few years ago back, he seemed more focused on just getting stuff done and less interested in reacting to the public perception of him personally… Also billionaires are a symptom of a broken society. No one needs more than 999 million even with current inflation rates eating up its real world worth it’s still more than anyone could ever use and we should probably just tax net worth over a billion at 100%.

notright8 4y ago
Kid is not expressing any idea. He's just promoting geo-stalking/gps tracking Elon. But he can still do it on Mastodon so his rights are not curtailed.
- mcphage 4y ago
  > his rights are not curtailed Nobody is saying that they are. They are saying, however, that this is a serious about-face from what Elon has claimed in the past. He rode into twitter on a high horse and has walked back pretty much everything he's said since.
  - wellthatsawrap2 4y ago
    How is this different then doxing?
    - nraynaud 4y ago
      Because airports have a giant security ring around airplanes, so you can’t physically get close to him with this information. And it’s transient, so you can’t lurk and wait to strike. It’s like a comedian doing a planned show.
      - hef19898 4y ago
        Plus, the tracking is on Elon's jet, not Elon as a person. So nothing is preventing Elon from sending his jet to NY, while flying, charter or first class, to Miami.
      - nailer 4y ago
        A stalker could easily watch the exit for the suites (where private jets go from) at the airport.
        nraynaud 4y ago
        not different from a celebrity doing a planned appearance
        nailer 4y ago
        People's personal movements are not promotional activities.
        nraynaud 4y ago
        this is not tracking Elon Musk personal movements, this is tracking 3 corporate airplanes owned by Space X. There is some overlap, but it's the same as loitering in front of one of his companies HQ might help you find him.
        nailer 4y ago
        It’s literally called Muskjet. The purpose is to track an individual. Loitering in front of his company’s HQ would also be stalkerish.
  - denton-scratch 4y ago
    > He rode into twitter on a high horse and has walked back pretty much everything he's said since. Rather like Keir Starmer and the UK Labour Party.
    - mcphage 4y ago
      Sorry, I'm a dumb American and don't understand this joke.
      - swores 4y ago
        It's not a joke, just an irrelevant (though accurate) comparison that doesn't belong in this thread. Starmer is leader of the opposition party in the UK, he was elected leader by Labour party members after making ten pledges, all quite socialist / left wing, but since becoming leader he's basically reversed every previous position he's claimed to have and is now taking centrist and even right of centre positions - upsetting many who voted for him (while others, though not me, say it's needed to attract more center/right votes in the next election).
        denton-scratch 4y ago
        It was sort of a joke - a wry aside that's true, and was meant to make the right kind of people smile. And you're quite right, it doesn't belong in this thread. Sorry.
      - atchoo 4y ago
        Not a joke sadly. The Labour membership is quite left wing (understandably) so Starmer's leadership campaign was structured around 10 left wing pledges, promises about nationalisation, the EU, unity and continuation of the 2017 Corbyn era manifesto. He has since abandoned the majority of pledges, waged an illicit war against left-wing candidates, kicked the previous leader out of parlimentary party, appointed a centre-right front bench and frequently says appalling anti-union, anti-migrant and authoritarian crap. He is one the most dishonest politicians in the UK but given a free pass by the press because punching left is celebrated by our media class and never considered a fault.
- techdragon 4y ago
  I can still bookmark Elon’s plane on FlightRadar or ADSBExchange… this doesn’t stop anyone “geo-stalking” … it just stopped one guy tweeting it. Oh and also hurt Elon’s free speech debate credibility.
clouddrover 4y ago
> Hey Elon… What was that about freedom of speech … I can’t quite hear you over the hypocrisy alert airhorn. Here's what Musk said about ElonJet six weeks ago (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456): "My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk"
- arlort 4y ago
  > even though that is a direct personal safety risk Is he worried about his haters getting a hold of anti-air weaponry or something?
  - dontlaserplanes 4y ago
    Laser pointer is more than enough to endanger an aircraft.
    - rosnd 4y ago
      For some fairly absurd definitions of "endanger", yeah.
      - dontlaserplanes 4y ago
        It's enough to force an emergency landing, yeah. And that endangers the whole air traffic around by putting it into non-standard situation, yeah. You have some fairly absurd definition of "absurd".
        Avamander 4y ago
        It's really not enough, no. There are literally videos of pilots blocking the light with a piece of paper.
        rosnd 4y ago
        As long as we're talking about regular laser pointers, at worst this mildly inconveniences the pilot. There have been tens of recorded cases of this every day for decades in the US alone, but not a single recorded accident. The idea that someone could meaningfully endanger Elon by pointing a laser pointer at his private jet is pants-on-head crazy. What next? Oil slicks on his driveway? Perhaps slowly poison him by idling a car in front of his house? Second hand smoking?
cogman10 4y ago
By freedom of speech, musk means the freedom to post misinformation and antisemitic conspiracies, not the atrocity of publishing curated public information.
- icare_1er 4y ago
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  > not the atrocity of publishing curated public information. I'd extend that with: - Anything that makes fun of Elon. - Anything that calls out Elon or rebukes Elon's statements.
- wellthatsawrap2 4y ago
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bambax 4y ago
> and we should probably just tax net worth over a billion at 100% The reason people put these high limits is they think it will never concern them. But the reality is we should just tax net worth over a million at 100%; or maybe forbid wealth altogether. Or at least we should discuss that, instead of billion limits that may only affect a few people -- people who will never be part of the discussion in the first place.
- endymi0n 4y ago
  „If being rich is outlawed, only outlaws will be rich.“ – roughly after Phil Zimmerman Thanks, I don‘t like that future. Don‘t get me wrong, I‘m all for progressive and _way_ higher taxes, but this extreme would do the opposite of what you want.
  - bambax 4y ago
    Maybe. But my point is that it's that we should discuss this, and not super high limits of over 1 billion that 1/ only affects very few people, 2/ none of which are likely to be part of the conversation and 3/ would still leave them extremely rich by any reasonable standard.
    - sgc 4y ago
      I don't even understand your point. 1. A billion is 1000x more than a million. It is many times higher wealth and far beyond what could be considered required for a family to survive on for generations. 2. A million is not even enough to come close to retirement, it is way too low of a number, so it is not even enough for one person in one lifetime in the US (which we are presumably discussing since the billionaire in question is taxed here). 3. The affect on publicly available funds from taxing the 1% of the 1% would be equal to or more than taxing the 99% of the 1%. So regardless of what you consider the right answer to the question (it's pretty tough to support without major caveats in my opinion), they are not at all the same and it actually comes across as an subtle attempt to reduce any potential support by muddying the waters, regardless of what you were actually trying to do.
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- techdragon 4y ago
  Not a reddit take, just common sense. At a billion your more powerful than several smaller countries, it’s millions of dollars a day in net worth growth, you could buy a new house smash the dining room wall in and use a brand new luxury car as a dinner table … every day… and still be making more money than you can spend… Being a billionaire is like ascending to a higher plane of financial being where the trivialities of normal day to day expenses no longer matter to you. Unless you do really stupid things with that money it’s almost impossible for a billionaire to get poorer. It’s a limit break on the functionality of capitalist society which regardless of the ethics of capitalism itself requires some sort of nerf/patch to prevent the billionaires from exploiting the rest of us and preventing us from striving to be what we want, wether that be a broke artist or a multi millionaire real estate developer.
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  - giaour 4y ago
    > Unless you do really stupid things with that money it’s almost impossible for a billionaire to get poorer. "Really stupid things" like buying a social media company?
    - sgc 4y ago
      That is like the average FAANG-wealthy programmer buying a modest house with a loan. It has little effect on his wealth outside of the egregious display of his behavior.
afpx 4y ago
The current system enables the power law. Bring back predator-prey to keep the resources balanced.
- brutusborn 4y ago
  What do you mean by this?
  - afpx 4y ago
    just joking - had some extra karma I wanted to purge
mardifoufs 4y ago
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. Plus, twitter is a private company and can change its terms whenever it wants.
- numbsafari 4y ago
  We can freely point out the hypocrisy and ignorance of the “free speech absolutists” like Musk. That would be a consequence of us exercising our free speech.
- brigandish 4y ago
  > Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. Actually, the freedom is freedom from consequences (other than speech in return or being listened to or not).
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    That would require others losing their freedoms. If you're a dick, I need the freedom to say so, to encourage a boycott of your restaurant, to not invite you to parties, to protest your public appearances. All of those are consequences and important freedoms.
    - yencabulator 4y ago
      That's the "speech in return" part.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        Then we need to discuss what definition of "consequences" you're using.
        brigandish 4y ago
        I gave the definition but I'll write it slightly differently if it wasn't clear before. Speech is free when the consequences are: - it is not listened to - it is listened to - there is speech in return to the speaker
koonsolo 4y ago
> No one needs more than 999 million It's not like anyone has the money in cash you know. You should rephrase your statement to "nobody needs more than a billion dollar stake in one or more companies". That is more realistic, and maybe a better discussion can come out of that one.
- luma 4y ago
  Oh I'm pretty sure the IRS could figure out a cash equivalent. WE DON'T NEED BILLIONAIRES
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- techdragon 4y ago
  To late for an edit now. And while just throwing the number out like it’s a bank balance is a bit of a hot take… I’m fully aware of the fact that any realistically useful proposal for this kind of wealth tax would require a lot of careful structural work to make useful and effective. It’s important to note that the USA is one of the only countries that expects overseas citizens to file tax reporting paperwork. Normally this is perfunctory stuff. But the key is that it’s law that living full time outside the USA doesn’t mean you have any loopholes for skipping the paperwork… The IRS is uniquely positioned under current law to enforce a global jurisdiction wealth tax on US Citizens … and since the USA already requires a payment for processing the renouncing of citizenship, you could just as easily place a punitive sized fee or fine for obviously renouncing citizenship to avoid paying billionaire taxes. But once one country moves toward this sort of law I think others would follow. We have international law organisations that are used for tracking financial criminals and if more countries had similar laws these international organisations would gradually be more and more useful in ensuring billionaires can’t just stash money in overseas banks markets trusts and assets.
  - koonsolo 4y ago
    My take is that billionaires are mostly made because they own a very successful company. So when you talk about wealth tax of these billionaires, you automatically talk about diminishing their stake in said company(-ies). And I think that is the main point that needs to be discussed.
constantcrying 4y ago
>Also billionaires are a symptom of a broken society. They are the symptom of any society which allows unlimited private ownership of cooperations. Just by probability alone some companies will grow by billions and any major owner will become a billionaire. >we should probably just tax net worth over a billion at 100%. Which, in this case, is totally equivalent to the government seizing Tesla or SpaceX. Billionaires do not have billions in cash, they are billionaires because they own assets, likely not very liquid, worth billions. I really hate to be shilling for rich people, but "disown them" is not the solution. The real problem with billionaires is that they are both extremely powerful and unaccountable. Both of which is the fault of the political class, which both shields the rich from accountability and gives them power. The informal power is the problem here. There is also a qualitative difference here. The billionaire who became a billionaire, because he built up a long term productive company and the billionaire who won in the positive EV Casino (the stock market) are not the same. The former might even be deserving (although I do not really like that word in this context) of some influence, as a legitimate representative of corporate interests.
- techdragon 4y ago
  Yes, but it’s nigh impossible to strip them of the informal power without stripping them of the actual power they hold by virtue of stocks and corporate control, assets and cash… all of which are readily fungible into political into political donations and all the other forms of legal bribery like funding opposition environmental studies to block competition or funding lawsuits to change laws they don’t like or anything else they can legally leverage that financial wealth for. As ideally we could separate these two forms of power and achieve the removal of the unaccountable informal power… but the sort of large scale socioeconomic and sociopolitical reforms needed to do this honestly seem harder to achieve than just taxing the billionaires till they aren’t billionaires anymore. Maybe then we’ll be in a position to try and start the reforms and could have the sort of world where money doesn’t buy you unaccountable power… but I think that’s not something that would be achievable in my lifetime.
  - constantcrying 4y ago
    >Yes, but it’s nigh impossible to strip them of the informal power without stripping them of the actual power they hold by virtue of stocks and corporate control, assets and cash… Why? >legal bribery like funding opposition environmental studies to block competition or funding lawsuits to change laws they don’t like or anything else they can legally leverage that financial wealth for. Make it illegal, you are literally listing the specific things which shouldn't happen. Where is the problem? >but the sort of large scale socioeconomic and sociopolitical reforms needed to do this You just gave a list of issues. Ban every billionaire from contributing to lawsuits. Ban them from "donating" to anything and actuslly punish them for violating the law. >just taxing the billionaires till they aren’t billionaires anymore. This is just seizing corporations by the government. And the problem is that you expect politicans to move against their benefactors.
LastTrain 4y ago
He needs to be cruel to liberals to sell electric cars to conservatives. It has worked brilliantly up to now. I am also a SpaceX fan, and a fan of electric vehicles, but my distaste for the 'cruelty is the point' culture is starting to outweigh that.
- kmeisthax 4y ago
  Given that the biggest grumbles coming out of conservatives is that they think Biden raised gas prices to make them buy electric vehicles, I don't see them lining up to buy Teslas anytime soon no matter how many Twitter liberals Musk puts in harms way.
  - LastTrain 4y ago
    You are explaining exactly why Musk has to do what he does to sell cars to conservatives. There is a huge amount of culture-wars baggage like what you describe that he must drill through to get them to even consider an EV. Being unabashedly cruel to liberals is the way. Liberals already buy his cars, because they are at this point in time the best EVs on the market - once that changes you will see a change in tone from Musk.
whywhywhywhy 4y ago
Wanting to limit people’s potential sounds like a hellish idea of a society.
ru552 4y ago
No offense intended with this Do you ever wonder how the people with your mentality cope with moving the goal posts? RE: "billionaires are a symptom of a broken society. No one needs more than 999 million" Do you think that in the 1920s people said the same thing but changed it to millionaire and 999 thousand? How far back do you think we need to go in time before the same was said about a thousandaire? I would guess the 1200s.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  Sure, this is why you account for inflation, like Social Security benefits do. 10% inflation? 10% increase in the benefit/limit.
  - techdragon 4y ago
    This is exactly how I think of it. It’s not complicated at all. No feats of mental gymnastics required just good old fashioned common sense.
kevinmchugh 4y ago
Musk made clear his personal commitment to free speech when he said Alex Jones would remain banned. Musk specifically cited his own personal experience and opinions as the reason Jones would remain banned.
- rideontime 4y ago
  And lied about the experience, too, stealing the story from his first wife: https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-starter-wife/ https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-start... > He spent three days on life support in a hospital in Orange County before we made the decision to take him off it. I held him in my arms when he died.
rchaud 4y ago
> with everyone more angry at him than ever his attempts to be liked in public (the Chappell show thing etc) what continues to stun me is how tone-deaf his efforts are. Is he trying to be genuinely liked or is he trying to prove that he's funny" and "cool"? Popping up on stage unannounced at a comedy show of all places, to deliver a catchphrase from 2 decades ago was not going to end well.
- ModernMech 4y ago
  Elon just craves attention, and he’s rich enough that he can get it wherever he wants. One day he wants to be a character on Rick and Morty, so they accommodate him. He wanted to be on SNL so he inexplicably gets to host and star in an episode despite being unfunny and untalented. He wanted to be on the Twitter board, they didn’t accomodate him, so he staged a hostile takeover of the company. Not to mention the cave incident where he tried to insert himself, was rebuffed, and then tried to ruin someone’s life. There’s a clear pattern of Musk forcing himself into places he doesn’t belong and no one wants him, and it never ends well for anyone involved.
  - tomhoward 4y ago
    There's some truth in this comment, and his reaction to the diver in Thailand was obviously not great, but at least on that topic there's a less scathing interpretation: In a desperate scenario in which it was considered highly likely that all those kids would be unable to be rescued alive from the cave by any means at all, Musk said something to the effect of I have engineering and production resources, we can try and come up with something in case it may be useful, and quickly built and delivered a device after close consultation with members of the rescue team on the ground, and also supplied various other forms of equipment and expertise. Luckily the kids were rescued and the capsule wasn't needed. That diver then said in a TV interview that Musk should 'stick his submarine where it hurts' - for absolutely no good reason. As I said, Musk's reaction was inappropriate and he's paid a big price for it, but it was hardly without provocation.
- q1w2 4y ago
  Why do any of you care what Elon says? People here spend an inordinate amount of time loving or hating him - when he has near-zero impact on their lives.
hackerman123469 4y ago
Much like you then I love what Elon Musk is the leader of but I despise him and hate him with every fiber of my body.
europeanguy 4y ago
> I’d like the Elon of a few years ago back Were you one of those defending him when he was calling random people on Twitter pedos to his 50 million followers?
- techdragon 4y ago
  I was not, I was one of the one’s hoping he would just shut up and get back to making electric cars and cool rockets to put people and robots and anything else we want into space.
  - europeanguy 4y ago
    He's not gonna send "cool rockets" anywhere. His business is hyping his stock. Were you also one of those who believed his cars were gonna drive themselves?

082349872349872 4y ago

I'm sure Cloudflare (or some YC lo-code?) would happily comp the elonjet kid their hosting?

ceejayoz 4y ago
Hosting isn't the issue here; the account was just hooked up to https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af.

klyrs 4y ago

Some context: https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-shadowban-elonjet-private-jet-twitter-1849882446 https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-shadowban-elonjet-private-jet-...

bogomipz 4y ago
From your link: >"Sweeney, a first-year student at the University of Central Florida in Orlando, says he uses publicly available transponder data from Musk’s private plane to track its location. That data, which includes the plane’s altitude, latitude, longitude, and heading are then fed into an algorithm he created. The @ElonJet bot then takes that information and Tweets out when Musk takes off and lands." I hope that this individual makes his bot code publicly available so that others can just keep putting up @elonjet clones on Twitter and elsewhere. This could so easily be put up again somewhere else outside of Twitter. I think a Kickstarter campaign for a site called something like "Free Speech Jet" would likely be very successful just on principle alone.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  He already did. https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify
albert_e 4y ago
> Musk addressed the issue in early November, saying he would ban the @ElonJet account due to free speech principles. >“My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk,” Musk said in the Tweet. Looks like the author / editorial team at Gizmodo missed a negation there?

refurb 4y ago

"Hours after he published his thread and after Gizmodo and other media organizations commented on his allegations, Sweeney published a new tweet saying it appeared Twitter had lifted its restrictions." Is this even a story? "Anonymous Twitter employee", "alleges", account not "suspended" but rather allegedly given "limited visibility", then amazingly the restrictions are gone.

clouddrover 4y ago
The account is now suspended.
huimang 4y ago
The account was suspended, then unsuspended quickly after, and now is suspended again as of Wed Dec 14 08:04:17 AM EST 2022.
- nickthegreek 4y ago
  Close. The account was visibility filtered, then that was removed. Now its suspended.

Giorgi 4y ago

it's cost? just several billions.

icare_1er 4y ago
Couple of hundred millions, rather. But if your point is that a private jet is expensive, you're right Einstein !
- sunbum 4y ago
  He's referring to the price of buying twitter to be able to suspend the account after Elon previously offered the owner 50k.

paulgb 4y ago

Musk a month ago: > My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456?s=46&t=fOeYnV21W6lEFV0oV7oWYA https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456?s=46...

wheaties 4y ago
...and people believed him! Hopefully this goes on FB, Reddit, and every other social media thing it can.
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  No worries, this is already coming from reddit.
  - copenseethe 4y ago
nailer 4y ago
It's entirely possible the account posted different content beyond tracking the jet. It's also possible a mistake was made and the account will be restored. When Kanye was banned for posting a swastika, people spread a rumor that it was for posting a picture of Elon looking fat. So we have a history of there being more to it here. Maybe we should actually find out what the account has posted recently, or see if it was a mistake, first?
- dmix 4y ago
  Waiting to find out more details is antithetical to the internet outrage machine.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    Inventing imaginary details to justify hypocrisy is bread-and-butter of the internet outrage outrage machine. The @elonjet account hasn't posted anything outside the norm; I was a follower. Anyone who'd like to provide evidence otherwise is welcome to do so.

WhackyIdeas 4y ago

Tld’s available: Elonjet.lol (£3 for first year with Gandi) I am not affiliated with Gandi.

the_gipsy 4y ago

This is it, this is the whole reason he bought twitter.

alas44 4y ago

Really disapointed, Also small rant: on most websites you get suspended but without transparency on the exact infrigement, that's awful. You have to appeal and even then you are not sure of getting the exact reason.

notright8 4y ago
j-bos 4y ago
I remember some of the funniest memetic images being screenshots of exactly why people were banned from 4chan. Exceedlingly detailed. Seems like the culture of providing reasons for bans has been largely chucked. Can't imagine that being the case for irl things like traffic tickets, but could imagine it being the case for say hotel bans.
- MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
  The "No Fly" list is an IRL example, people who were erroneously on the list had no idea until they tried to take a flight and finding out why and getting it fixed is a nightmare.
gaius_baltar 4y ago
> Really disapointed, Also small rant: on most website you get suspended but without transparency on the exact infrigement, that's awful. You have to appeal and even then you are not sure of getting the exact reason. One of the most significant innovations from social media/advertisement companies that spread through the rest of the internet: ban for undisclosed reasons, putting critics and Nazis on the same bag, making understanding harder, etc. Bonus points when they hide behind automated systems and use this as an excuse in the event they get some bad PR fallout.

bambax 4y ago

Elon offered the owner of the account $5,000 to shut up. The owner counter-offer was $50,000, after which Elon cut off all communications. Then he spent $41 billions to buy Twitter, and proceeded to silence and suspend the account. This doesn't qualify as money well spent IMHO, but what do I know.

indy 4y ago
Perhaps he might have bought Twitter for reasons other than closing down Elonjet?
- bambax 4y ago
  It's possible, yes. The evidence for that is scarce, though.
  - benmorris 4y ago
    Not really, in court filings there are text messages with him pretty clearly discussing his rationale. https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-texts-joe-rogan-larry-elllison-dorsey-twitter-1849600155 https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-texts-joe-rogan-larry-elllison...
    - Simon321 4y ago
      Elon Musk: EU passed a law banning Russia Today and several other Russian news sources. We have been told to block their IP address. Actually, I find their news quite entertaining Lot of bullshit, but some good points too --- Wow... Also looks like he's great friends with Larry Ellison. That explains a lot.
      - PestoDiRucola 4y ago
        > Also looks like he's great friends with Larry Ellison. That explains a lot. Don't forget Peter Thiel.
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borbulon 4y ago

...and there it is

nurettin 4y ago

Pretty much all aircraft data is publically available. This is probably it: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n628ts https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n628ts

james_pm 4y ago
It's very likely filtered out of the FR24 data. Use https://globe.adsbexchange.com https://globe.adsbexchange.com instead and you will get everything, including Elon's jet.
- xiphias2 4y ago
  This one? https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
mre 4y ago
AFAIK Flightradar and some others provide a VIP service for blocking flight data. Elon's Jet is blocked there, too. Ironically, the owner of the elonjet account even told Elon how he could hide flight information on these platforms... > Last week, Sweeney noticed he couldn't locate Musk's jet, and realized Musk was attempting to hide his flight patterns from the @ElonJet using the blocking software Sweeney had recommended to him. Source: https://techxplore.com/news/2022-05-college-student-tracks-elon-musk.html https://techxplore.com/news/2022-05-college-student-tracks-e...

kibwen 4y ago

Meanwhile: "Twitter has stopped paying rent on offices and is considering not paying severance packages to former employees, among other measures." https://archive.vn/iGZH3 https://archive.vn/iGZH3 The grand irony of Elon Musk forcing formerly-remote employees to work from an office whose rent he refuses to pay for.

propogandist 4y ago
andix 4y ago
What? Why? You can’t run a business like that for very long. 1-2 years max. Then all the law suits will eat you up. Deliberately not paying may lead to criminal charges too.
- yks 4y ago
  Certain individuals like Elon might have acquired a not completely unfounded belief that “rule of law” in fact does not apply to them personally.
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  - acjacobson 4y ago
    You'd think he'd be disabused of that notion when he was forced to buy Twitter after trying to back out of the acquisition agreement.
    - theCrowing 4y ago
      but he wasn't forced... he could've been but we will never know.
      - kibwen 4y ago

andrewinardeer 4y ago

Is Musk seriously that unhinged that he publically commits to allowing the account to tweet what it does and then a few weeks later he nukes it? Does anyone know the reason for the suspension? Perhaps a false positive on the ML behalf?

muglug 4y ago
I'm just guessing here, but I assume Musk realised what Trump did some years ago: > “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters,” he said. A large percentage of Musk's followers are devoted to him and to whatever he says his cause is on any given day. He can move the goalposts and they'll cheer him for it.
- dale_glass 4y ago
  I think Musk will have a lot more trouble with that logic than Trump did. People who like Trump like his usual behavior, with all its crassness. People who like Musk mostly liked his former behavior: building electric cars, launching rockets into space and talking about saving humanity, and tried to sweep his public behavior under the rug as much as possible. That's no longer working very well. People who'd formerly be proud to own a Tesla are now starting to have second thoughts.
  - tailspin2019 4y ago
    My second thoughts on buying a Tesla started a few years ago now when following a car crash involving a Tesla, they would start to publicly blame the actions of the (sometimes dead) driver (aka “their customer”) based on their “logs” - when there was a clear incentive for them to find the first possible thing that they could point to, to indicate driver error rather than, for example, an autopilot error. Even if they were technically right in some cases, this just seemed to be in such poor taste, often impossible to verify, and just felt wrong on so many levels. And poor PR and a disproportionate focus on Tesla in the media is not a good enough excuse. I can’t help thinking that it’s another example of Elon’s reactionary thin skin mentality driving company policy.

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maurits 4y ago

My personal favorite is the Geneva Dictator Alert [1] [1] https://twitter.com/gva_watcher https://twitter.com/gva_watcher

cduzz 4y ago

"Free Speech" by whom? Musk owns the platform, he can do whatever he wants with it. Twitter is and always was an advertising / entertainment platform that had a weird side effect of distributing information. It's a shame that he done broke it. But "free speech" is "the government puts you in jail/kills/takes your stuff for saying or not saying something." Twitter, FaceBook, ToothSocial, breightbargh, NYT, FoxNews -- all have an editorial voice, exist to advertise and entertain, and are not really under any obligation to promote or not promote any specific agenda. There's some gray area where the US "Common Carrier" doctrine (where a conveyance isn't liable for what people use it for, if they impose no editorial control over the content, such as the situation of someone defrauding someone else using a telegram protects the telegram operator from liability). The best case would probably just be to say that "algorithmic" moderating is editorial control so the facebook and traughsocial and twitter all would be liable for content, and thus not viable enterprises. Good Riddance.

threatofrain 4y ago
That's not what Elon considers free speech. It's completely fair game to hold him by his own standards. Elon mentioned this account in the same breath as the defense of free speech and committed to not banning it.
- cduzz 4y ago
  Pretty clearly, at best, Elon is a twit. His stated views and his public actions are at odds, and his reputation for honesty or trustworthiness will be affected. But people are free to change their minds, or lie, and everyone else is free to form an opinion or make decisions as a result.
b0sk 4y ago
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

bluescrn 4y ago

I thought everyone was leaving Twitter and moving to alternatives? Doesn't seem to have happened. Everyone's more obsessed than ever with Twitter drama.

xiphias2 4y ago
What's really funny is that I see people on Twitter tweeting about leaving Twitter every day. I know they won't, so the whole thing doesn't make any sense.
- fleddr 4y ago
  Nobody with skin in the game will. I respect people that take a stand, but then you have to execute. Delete your account, anything less makes you a hypocrite. Don't de-activate, don't cross-post. Delete it. Nobody with a big following is willing to do that. They know that their inflated relevancy only works within Twitter and absolutely nowhere else.
  - welterde 4y ago
    On the other hand a certain bias is at play here, since you won't see the people that just deleted their accounts (or announced that they would and then executed on it).
    - fleddr 4y ago
      True for small accounts, not for big accounts.
    - xiphias2 4y ago
      Sure, they all do what they want, and also I have to decide whether it's worth following him to pollute my twitter feed or not. So far I believe that I'm getting more value by still following that person, and also it's great to see some opposing viewpoints to other people on Twitter. I just wish it was a bit more nuanced.
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mauvehaus 4y ago

And people wonder why I'm willing to endure a year or two of DSL until a local fiber provider lights up the town where we're buying a house. Sure, starlink is an option, but I'll be just fine knowing I'm not sending any of my money into his pockets.

rhaksw 4y ago

Wake me when Twitter starts showing which users have been de-amplified: > Twitter is working on a software update that will show your true account status, so you know clearly if you’ve been shadowbanned, the reason why and how to appeal [1] That's the real story. This suspension is transparent and relatively uninteresting compared to the vast amount of moderation that we can't see. [1] https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1601042125130371072 https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/16010421251303710...

pclmulqdq 4y ago
They showed a few (all prominent Republicans), but mostly unsurprising ones. I really want to know what fraction of accounts end up automatically being de-amplified.
- rhaksw 4y ago
  It would be great to have all of that data. Even just being able to see the status of your own account would be interesting.
  - pclmulqdq 4y ago
    It wouldn't fit the narrative if they just gave out the data...

aaron695 4y ago

areoform 4y ago

I think the rubicon was crossed when the acquirer insinuated that an executive who went to bat for him was a pedophile. The executive has had to go into hiding. There are lines that we shouldn’t cross in a civil society. Supporting blood libel adjacent claims is at the top of the list. https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy79wm/elon-musk-yoel-roth-threats https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy79wm/elon-musk-yoel-roth-t... https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/12/musk-twitter-harass-yoel-roth/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/12/musk-tw...

threatofrain 4y ago
Elon Musk also accused an emergency rescue worker of pedophilia during a deadly rescue mission. He double-downed on the claim by elaborating on his reasons for thinking that the rescue worker was having sex with underaged Thai boys. Elon wanted to completely destroy the rescue worker as punishment for insulting his high tech submarine solution over social media.
- LastTrain 4y ago
  Because the rescue worker rightly said it was a waste of valuable time, of which there was little left, to try Musk's sub idea.
  - concordDance 4y ago
    Nah, because the rescue worker said he could shove his sub where the sun don't shine. Note that the chief of the rescue operation did ask Musk to continue working on the sub.
    - LastTrain 4y ago
      Thanks for adding some more detail. You are saying the diver who was in the middle of risking his life to save children was an asshole that deserved to be called a pedophile by the richest may on earth. I haven't learned anything new about the diver or Musk, but I know something about you now.

brigandish 4y ago

kibwen 4y ago
Unverified? The account is suspended. You can click the link and see that the account is suspended. I have just done so moments ago to confirm that it is still suspended.
- fleddr 4y ago
  That's not the point. The point is the reason for the suspension. A personal grievance from Musk himself? Or caught up in the great bot purge that happened this week?
  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    So the choices are either Elon lied again or the employees that stayed to work there cant code? This is a bot account that was correctly identified itself and used the proper APIs.
    - brigandish 4y ago
      Show me a programmer that has never created a bug and I'll show you a liar. Regardless, that's not even all the possibilities, do we know what it's last tweets were? Was it mass reported? Was it taken down by an employee or a bot? Was that on purpose or by mistake? Feel free to add more, because surely they exist.
      - nickthegreek 4y ago
        Or... just maybe.... Elon had it removed. I'm gonna be honest, I'm going to go with that until other evidence is presented. But I'm sure Elon Musk, for the sake of transparency, will not only reinstate the account, but make sure that it has the same label attached to it as the LibsofTikTok account to stop this from happening in the future and give us a full report on how this happened...

andagainand 4y ago

It doesn't matter what musk, does it? musk won't lose popularity amongst his fanboy. They will lick his boots until he's replaced by the next loudmouth. musk could ban every extremist right-wing tweeter, fire 95% of his employees and not pay any severance then throw bags of dog feces at the laid off engineers' children. They would still love him, hell, they would love him more. This is a danger of idol worship. Once somebody has achieved influence they almost always use it in a destructive manner. But hey, he's rich.

notright8 4y ago

snshn 4y ago

It's a sign that he's getting too many death threats. Banning the account was to reduce the amount of noise he gets, so his security could focus on ones that are more realistic.

benmorris 4y ago

I'm not sure why anyone expected twitter not to be run like another of his other companies. This freedom of speech play will always be secondary to Elon's whims.

andreygrehov 4y ago

It could be that the account was auto-suspended along with many other bot-accounts they suspended recently. So, algorithm?

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cinntaile 4y ago

I'm somewhat surprised by this and I'll give Elon the benefit of the doubt until it's more clear what has happened.

d23 4y ago
This quote is a perfect summation of how every bad faith actor in human history is enabled.
- fleddr 4y ago
  You're the bad faith actor here. You come to conclusion with zero facts.
  - SilverBirch 4y ago
    The benefit of the doubt is something you generally give someone the first time they do something seemingly wrong or disingenuous. For example, the first time someone makes a baseless claim that someone they don't like is a pedophile, you might go "Well, that guy might know something I don't..." but when that person goes on to act like an asshole for the next decade, at some point you have to stop giving the benefit of the doubt. Do you still give Musk the benefit of the doubt about the moderation council he's planning to form before he lets Trump back on the platform?
    - fleddr 4y ago
      This isn't about any benefit of the doubt, this is about confidently dropping conclusions on incomplete information. That's hysterical speculation, not "benefit of the doubt". Further, no, I don't pass judgement on every single action or word somebody expressed based on prior behavior. This creates Disney-like villains, which is for the simple minded.
      - SilverBirch 4y ago
        I mean... this comment thread is literally about whether it's reasonable to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not "hysterical" to say the guy we know the guy didn't like the account, he'd tried to get it removed before, and despite him saying he wouldn't remove it, he probably has, because he's lied before. You're reading a load of emotion into something that doesn't have to be emotional. It's just a pretty obvious point that once you give someone the benefit of the doubt and they showed they don't deserve it, you probably shouldn't give it to them again. Otherwise, as one of the previous posters pointed out, you're going to continually reserve judgement against what is clearly a bad actor. It's a pretty simple point about an iterated game.

concordDance 4y ago

I bet £20 that this was due to the anti-bot purge and not a direct action from Elon. Good odds it'll be reinstated. Unfortunately, the vast majority of readers will not hear about it if it is and thus the negative sentiment about Musk continues to accumulate as the myths and partial storied live on...

_djo_ 4y ago
This was not an inauthentic account pretending to be a real person, which is the type of bot you want purged, it was a properly registered account using the Twitter API in a way that said it was a bot.[0] So it makes no sense for it to have been caught up in an anti-bot purge. [0] https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/tutorials/how-to-create-a-twitter-bot-with-twitter-api-v2 https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/tutorials/how-to-creat...
SilverBirch 4y ago
Fuck up seems more likely than conspiracy. It'll be interesting to see if Elon brings it back though, at the end of the day he's already getting booed in public, at this point he bought the company he might as well get something out of it. No one in the demographic he's appealing to will hold it against him.
- bambax 4y ago
  A conspiracy involves several people doing things in secret. A direct order from a megalomaniac that results in something very public doesn't fit that definition.
concordDance 4y ago
Welp, first person to reply gets to name the charity I donate £20 to.
- RivieraKid 4y ago
  RivieraKid Foundation
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cbeach 4y ago

"Script kiddie uses Twitter to systematiclaly dox owner of Twitter. Gets banned from Twitter" How is this news? I know at the moment it's trendy to hate Musk (although no one will admit the underlying political reasons), but come on, we're better than this.

blitzar 4y ago
ABSOLUTE FREE SPEECH
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Damned if you do it, damned if you don't. Just damned if you're not a Democrat in general.
rideontime 4y ago
you don't think it's notable that he so quickly reneged on this promise? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

shafyy 4y ago

Not looking to accuse anybody. But why is this thread not on the first page anymore? It was there a second ago, and it's still actively being upvoted and commented on.

d23 4y ago
I’ve seen this before. The best I’ve been able to come up with is that if it gets enough downvotes it’s considered controversial and gets ranked lower, even if the overall score is high.
- shafyy 4y ago
  Probably the occam's razor explanation

hobbitstan 4y ago

Twitter is a private company. Don’t like it? Build your own.

blitzar 4y ago
I thought it was the town square of the world?
- hobbitstan 4y ago
  Was it before Elon bought it?
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blitzar 4y ago

ElonJet was "citizen journalism" at its finest, fighting against the Woke Mind Virus of virtue signalling private jet owners. Today is a sad day in the fight.

clouddrover 4y ago

Details about ElonJet: - Website: https://grndcntrl.net/falconlanding/ https://grndcntrl.net/falconlanding/ - Git repo: https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify - Author's Twitter: https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney His other jet tracker SpaceXJet is also suspended on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SpaceXJet https://twitter.com/SpaceXJet

andsoitis 4y ago

You should know that Musk, even though he positions himself as politically central/right (depending on your frame of reference) and espouses free speech, is neither of a particular political conviction nor particularly cares for free speech (unless it is his or that if others who say things in his interest). He is ultimately only looking out for his own interest and will say and do whatever he considers in the moment to advance his own goals. Fans who think he is anti-woke or pro-free speech are naïve to think he stands for rock solid principles… he is only projecting those characteristics to manipulate to get what he wants.

moomin 4y ago
The Galaxy brain thing is to realise that’s true of literally all of them.
- Spivak 4y ago
  - RivieraKid 4y ago
    The current US president is a reasonably well-meaning and ethical person, very likely above the 50% percentile in the population. On the other hand, Musk's personality is way out of the range of normality, in a bad way. He's narcissistic, psychopatic, manipulative, pathologically dishonest, cruel. And he's always been like this, although perhaps with money and power he's starting to lose the self-control necessary to keep the mask on. I'm kind of proud that I realized who he was in early 2018, which was before any of the big scandals (e.g. pedo guy, funding secured, ...).
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    > How can you say that when we’re surrounded by sincerity. Hell it’s true of our current president. Biden has consistently lied throughout his entire political career to the point that it's been a running joke for decades. He doesn't even know when he's lying - he still repeats lies that he was publicly called out on a decade or more ago. Trump lies to make people like him and pay attention to him. Biden lies compulsively. > He quietly became the most progressive president in history What a bizarre claim. He literally just overruled a union strike vote so an industry claiming record profits wouldn't have to give its employees sick days.

yafbum 4y ago

Musk is now to Twitter as Murdoch to Fox News. A billionaire owner in favor of "fair and balanced" media.

pessimizer 4y ago
Musk censoring an account that tracked and broadcast his movements makes him pretty much the same as Murdoch and Fox news.

xyst 4y ago

Space Karen strikes again

toofy 4y ago

what is so frustrating about this is, musk recognizes that when this account sends out his location (while it is publicly findable) that this information could potentially elevate a threat to his safety. he recognizes this threat and takes steps to mitigate. but it almost seems like he enjoys watching elevating threats to other people, and even worse he gloats and declares they are unreasonable if they ask for mitigation to help protect themselves or their group. i hope this guy finds his empathy for others.

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mensetmanusman 4y ago

Does the account apply a delay? With the number of crazies out there, it probably would be less of an issue if there were a delay longer than average staying time. Also, this information will still be on Twitter through the Streisand Effect

gadders 4y ago

anononaut 4y ago
Nothing new under the sun. This is politics as its been since 2012. Redditors in this thread will clutch their pearls and nothing will come of it.

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kmeisthax 4y ago

Casual reminder that: - Elon Musk was never a free speech extremist, he just wanted to bootstrap his money pit rocket company off of both sides of the Ukraine-Russia war. - Elon Musk has always been hostile to the kinds of things the hacker community really appreciates, such as Free software, right to repair, and so on. This was way before he got into vice signalling to the far-right. - Elon Musk did not found Tesla, he just pushed the founders out and erased them from the company history. - The Boring Company will never solve traffic because the solution to traffic is to stop building roads and start putting houses on top of businesses so people can walk to work.

_djo_ 4y ago

Notably, as best as I can tell none of the other automated aircraft tracking bot accounts have been suspended. Just this one.

_ache_ 4y ago

This is not about freedom of expression. Freedom of speech is the ability to express yourself. It is not about the publisher publishing you. You can create your own paper/website/communication and distribute it. No one is obligated to publish you.

ceejayoz 4y ago
Musk asserted free speech gave him precisely that obligation last month. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

puskavi 4y ago

I dont see any sites over facebook tracking Zuckerberg's jets..

bluishgreen 4y ago

Wondering aloud, what if someone were to write something that will attach Elon jet's location as an email signature?