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Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefo

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge I'm wondering how does this happen? I have Chrome as the default browser on my Win11 machine for a year now, and after all the updates, Chrome is still the default. The default apps for PDF, music and video play-back were also kept between updates. Updates never did anything funky for me, just added improvements and new features, which kept me contempt with it. Really curious why this would happen to you but never happened to me. I have Win11 Pro edition, installed from scratch from the official ISO (not OEM), if that makes any difference. Maye OEM or Home editions behave differently?
- mmis1000 4y ago
  People blindly click ok in dialogs ,think it will be fine and thus get their setting changed or install unwanted softwares. And the dialog that nukes your app default pops up in OOBE of every win 11 major update. (To clarify, I don't think the dialog should be there at first place. A dialog that defaults to give user a big problem is just dumb)
- a2tech 4y ago
  You're extremely lucky then. On our (very large, very strictly managed Windows 10 fleet) Edge is CONSTANTLY becoming the default PDF handler. Its a real PITA and MS has failed to give admins the tools to manage this correctly. These anti customer dark patterns are going to drive a wedge into the golden goose of corporate sales. At the same place as in my first statement, Macs are slowly showing up in places you'd never have guessed before. Clinics, law offices, regulated environments. IE corporate MS bread and butter. Someone over there needs to get their head out of their corporate ass and see the writing on the wall and turn the ship before it hits the iceberg they're heading at under full steam.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    > Someone over there needs to get their head out of their corporate ass and see the writing on the wall and turn the ship before it hits the iceberg they're heading at under full steam It was probably some manager's KPI at Microsoft to increase Edge market share so he decided that forcing Edge to default everytime would push him ahead and get him that sweet promotion. Microsoft lacks a common vision for Windows and good leadership. As with the products of any massive corporation, Windows now feels like a product built "by committee", a result from various internal turf wars, where every manager or gang tries to push their agenda to gain visibility inside the org to show something at their next performance review and hopefully get promoted, at the expense of the end-user and the OS being universally hated by consumers and businesses. "So, what did your team achieve last year? Well, I was in charge of putting Candy-Crush and other partner-network ads in the Star Menu, giving us an extra 10 Million USD a year. Great, the investors and bean counters will love the extra revenue. HR will contact you about your promotion. Congrats!" I think much of Apple's success was Jobs dogfooding every product being developed before giving the final go ahead for shipping. I wish Satya Nadela and other higher ups there would dogfood fresh installs of Windows (not the images provided by their IT department) and see the horrible mess they're shipping to their customers. Then Nadela and those execs should ask themselves, "Would I actually want to spend money on this and have to live with it every day? If not, what could I fix to make it desirable so that others would want to buy it?". This way of consumer first thinking allowed Jobs to make Apple what it is today. Microsoft needs to put in charge of Windows someone who's in touch with consumers and business to guide this project with an iron fist instead of letting various committees and gangs sneak their own agendas in the end product. But I think Microsoft just doesn't care that much about Windows anymore and is instead focusing on Azure & cloud, OneDrive, Office365, Xbox and buying game studios, etc. so Windows is slowly rotting away unnoticed by those at the helm.
    - exceptione 4y ago
      > so Windows is slowly rotting away unnoticed by those at the helm. I wouldn't call it slowly, but you are right about your assessment. It is already quite some years ago, when evaluating the privacy and security measures of my machine, I had to conclude that MS *is* the adversary. I have a chuckle when people ask me what virus scanner they would need for their Windows machine. It is like asking how to prevent a deadly disease from catching a cold. It's not a hyperbole. All the opt-outs are illegal in the first place, but the damning fact is that MS does not allow you to switch of stealing part of your personal data anyway. You should not run Windows. If you have to, because some legacy software does not have an alternative (and I find that has become increasingly rare), then run it in a vm with no internet access. Also, we should really stop the meme about the year of the Linux Desktop. KDE has far surpassed Windows already. I use both OSes and have to conclude Windows is beyond repair. Nobody cares about this sinking ship, and that is a positive end of this rant. *EDIT* I even think MS thinks the same wrt win in a vm. I can imagine they will ship Linux one time and have win apps open in a legacy win vm.
- II2II 4y ago
  I can only speak for Windows 10, but I have noticed that Windows behaves differently when updating Home and Pro versions. For example: I noticed the Home edition would reinstall removed apps on certain updates, while the Pro edition would not.
jimmaswell 4y ago
I wish antitrust enforcement focused on this stuff again. Remember when MS merely including a web browser at all was brought into question?
- dehrmann 4y ago
  Microsoft also used to have 90% market share. It's less impressive now that Mac is a viable competitor and iOS and Android are good enough for 80% of common tasks.
  - goosedragons 4y ago
    How much of the Office Suite market do they have though?
    - tinus_hn 4y ago
      If you want to use the Microsoft Office suite, it’s available on the Mac, included in Office365.
  - barbariangrunge 4y ago
    By viable competitor, do you mean OS that I can’t possibly use for work or for proper gaming? Mac isn’t any more viable than Ubuntu, which is why I have an Ubuntu laptop (But a windows desktop, by utter necessity) (Edit: Actually, when it comes to gaming, Linux is getting better and better) 80% of common tasks isn’t enough when part of the remaining 20% is absolutely necessary for work
    - jazzyjackson 4y ago
      I mean, obviously it depends on the work - as if macbooks weren't standard issue at many companies ostensibly doing some kind of work if your cad software or whatever doesn't work with your OS of choice I'd take it up with the vendor
      - deleted 4y ago
mmis1000 4y ago
I think it do ask you whether you want to change the setting, except the default is nuking all your settings. And something even more annoying is: That pops up in the OOBE of every major update. If you accidentally click "yes", your settings fxxks up. Come on, I already click "no" last time, you shouldn't even ask me again about this.
- warning26 4y ago
  My favorite part about this "helpful" prompt is that "no" is tiny text at the corner of the screen, and the yes-please-change-all-my-defaults button is a giant "ok". This kind of behavior should be illegal, IMO.
  - FredPret 4y ago
    It's not going to be illegal anytime soon, but in the meantime, you can punish them by moving to Mac, or Chromebook. I did that after an update that went too far
    - numeromancer 4y ago
      Chromebook is worse. They pioneered the "in order to use this device which we let you pretend to own you must first attach yourself to our borg" model.
  - Nextgrid 4y ago
    If it's got any data protection impacts, it is illegal in Europe under the GDPR. However its enforcement is significantly lacking even against very obvious and blatant breaches, so anything slightly more subtle has no way of being addressed.
  - userbinator 4y ago
    At least it says "No" and not "No Thanks" or "Maybe Later" or "Remind Me Later"? ...or as I like to call it whenever I run into one, "where's the 'Fuck Off!' button?"
actionfromafar 4y ago
So, what's rehab for Windows users? :)
- arglebargle123 4y ago
  A Linux install USB?
- cauefcr 4y ago
  A steamOS fork?
princevegeta89 4y ago
Never run Windows updates. I've always seen shady behavior with them and they did nothing significant in my case for my system in any way. I don't use windows at all but it is just giant pit of advertisements targeted towards the very basic computer users
- acdha 4y ago
  If you don’t use it, how have you seen “shady behavior” or been able to definitively assert that they “do nothing significant”?
  - princevegeta89 4y ago
    I used it briefly in the past 1 year.
    - Bayko 4y ago
      So you have like three molecules of experience and you are generalizing?? I am on win 10 n do every single update except upgrading to 11 and I m pretty satisfied
      - deleted 4y ago
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    - acdha 4y ago
      With all due respect, that’s not enough time to be saying anything about it and especially not enough to be telling people not to install updates when that’s the most common way people have their computers breached. I don’t own a Windows device (and haven’t since Win98) and have had dislikes about it since the early 90s, but I’ve also supported it professionally and would never recommend someone avoid updates. Buy a Mac, perhaps, but until you’re ready to switch you should stay current.
      - princevegeta89 4y ago
binarycrusader 4y ago
Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc. There are multiple suites of tests and processes that exist to try to ensure updates preserve user data and preferences but clearly something went wrong here. I’m just a developer, not a spokesperson, but I want to ensure that this is investigated if possible. If you file a bug in feedback hub under the Windows Update category it will collect the diagnostics required to fix this issue and prevent it from happening again. If you also provide a link to the filed feedback to me I’ll be happy to triage it personally as I frequently work with the teams that are responsible for update migration. Thanks!
- vanous 4y ago
  > Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc. Thanks for your apology. I can imagine this could happen to some random unknown software team but not to the supposed leader of the desktop. I believe this is honest apology but I am not sure I can trust that the issue was a bug and not a feature.
  - getcrunk 4y ago
    Same. Windows has done this in the past on updates
  - binarycrusader 4y ago
    I can understand why you might be skeptical. However, I have learned over the years as a developer investigating update issues that the constraints placed upon the update process to ensure compatibility and resiliency are complex. The nature of the process used for most Feature Updates requires user data and preference migration and transfer. Notably, an entirely new installation of Windows is created and then existing user data and preferences are migrated or transferred as appropriate. There a variety of good reasons for this from a technical standpoint, but it has certain complexity and performance trade offs so is only used for certain types of updates. Other types of updates use an in-place upgrade methodology that doesn’t require user data and preference migration but has certain characteristics that make it currently less suitable for major feature updates. Thanks!
kyriakos 4y ago
If I'm not mistaken browser doesn't reset unless you accept the prompt you get on first boot after the update to use default Edge settings.
- gman83 4y ago
  I've definitely had Edge being set as the default browser following an update without any prompt to do so.
gernb 4y ago
Just to give anecdata on the other side. I too just updated to 11 22H2 because my Oculus Rift S wouldn't run without updated drivers and I thought it best to update windows first. No defaults changed for me. I wonder what the bug is. Note: I'm using Pro, not Home. At the same time windows does drive me nuts with it's darkpartterns. The worst for me on Windows 11 was all the keyboard shortcuts that try to launch MS Office, MS Teams and related crap. The only way to turn them off is via PowerTools and even then they're not off on remote desktop.
- CWuestefeld 4y ago
  I'm the post you're responding to. My install is the Pro edition as well. And the version I'm upgrading from was also W11, completely up to date on patches, I just didn't go to the 22H2 feature update until the GPU issues were fixed.
gigel82 4y ago
I've never had that happen to me in 20+ years of using and updating Windows. I suspected it's an urban legend but when a friend told me they experienced it with a feature update in Windows 11 I inquired further: It turns out during the first startup after a feature update in Windows 11 (and 10) they sometimes show a bunch of new prompts, one of which is a very vague text with a big (default) "Recommended Settings" and a very small, differently rendered cancellation. If you're one of the folks that just presses next / enter through a wizard without reading the instructions (which my friend was), you might have accidentally applied the "Recommended Settings". And -of course- switching the browser to Edge is "recommended" by Microsoft. Shitty dark pattern for sure but at least not forced settings change (yet).
- chii 4y ago
  describing it as forced is certainly technically wrong, but the results is no different. MS should not have done it, and the fact that they used a dark pattern to achieve it is not better than forcefully doing it!
- Forge36 4y ago
  I've never had it happen. The number of dark patterns trying to convince me to switch is infuriating. Major update "required sign in", defender "unsafe system state". I'm sure I've reset things accidentally and forgotten with it
- everybodyknows 4y ago
  To thoroughly exercise the old dark-pattern detection skills, I highly recommend a long day dodging the "upgrade invitations" in Turbotax.
- auxbuss 4y ago
  Let me present a counterpoint. I have two Apple machines. One is old and stuck on Catalina – three iterations behind the current macOS [Catalina -> Big Sur -> Monterey -> Ventura] – so for a long while I kept both on Catalina to avoid issues. Sadly, the older machine died a few weeks ago, so I decided to update the other machine to Monterey (because Ventura is still in the teething-troubles phase). Now I get about 9 Mbps here, so I started the upgrade before bed, and left it overnight to do its thing. Next day I was presented with the garish boot Monterey boot-screen and logged in. That’s it. This is a boring story. There were a few small cosmetic differences, but otherwise everything was just as it was before. No clicks required. No dark patterns. Dare I say: it just worked. There’s no reason Microsoft, or any other company, can’t do this. It’s simply respecting the user/customer. I left the Microsoft universe about a decade ago simply because it felt too stressful. Nothing was concrete. It felt like the sand was always shifting beneath you. I have no love of Apple – I’ll move if they start playing games – but for now, they do most things – far from everything – well, and I never feel disrespected, even if my wallet is somewhat lighter every now and then.
ncr100 4y ago
Microsoft "update" somehow does this to me: - I lost the ability to use my trackpad without having to wait for 1 second, holding my finger on the trackpad. This is palm-rejection. And there is NO way to turn it off. Rebooting the laptop temporarily sets the wait-time to 0 seconds, until I close the lid and sleep the laptop, then wake it again. There is a "sensitivity" feature, which uses words like "low" and "highest" .. and this does nothing to fix the issue, perceivable to me. - I lost the ability to use my game-pad with built-in trackpad. I don't know why that feature disappeared. Clicking and swiping now does .. things .. but not moving the mouse nor right/left-clicking the button. - I somehow failed to "update and shutdown." I chose that option, which said it should take 3 minutes. After 15 minutes, and multiple reboots, I was left BACK ON not shutdown, and the "update and shutdown" menu was still present. I don't know what Windows 11 even needed to update in the first place. Overall Windows disrespects the user. Its "run all the drivers, on all PC configurations, from the beginning of time" is no doubt the culprit. That kind of complexity is impossible for humans to manage. (garbage-can emoji)
rychco 4y ago
My transition to 11 has been mostly painless. Some weirdness I've experienced so far is a handful of default applications being changed (not Edge, surprisingly enough) and that since my default PDF reader is Okular all the icons for .pdf files are now a blank white rectangles instead of the nice white/blue okular icons they used to be. To be fair though, this could be some incompatibility with icon formats/sizes or something... I haven't looked into it. My only real annoyance so far is that all my old context menu items are now tucked away into an additional context menu, such that I now have to right-click -> "Show more options" -> old context menu. A bit of an odd choice.
- Iwan-Zotow 4y ago
  > My transition to 11 has been mostly painless Sounds like Douglas Adams - mostly harmless
the_only_law 4y ago
I just want to know how to turn the damn “anti malware service executable off”. I’ve turned it off in settings, I’ve added various registry keys but that damn process still haunts me.
- intelVISA 4y ago
  The same service that sends Ms every bin you run? You've got a lot of Spectres in that machine I'm afraid.
sedawk 4y ago
Of many sh!ty things WU/upgrading does, this is the most infuriating one. Why on earth do MS want to be so hostile towards their users is beyond me. I haven't recommended Windoze laptop to any of my friends-n-family since the downward spiral of Win8 or so.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge I'm wondering how does this happen? I have Chrome as the default browser on my Win11 machine for a year now, and after all the updates, Chrome is still the default. The default apps for PDF, music and video play-back were also kept between updates. Updates never did anything funky for me, just added improvements and new features, which kept me contempt with it. Really curious why this would happen to you but never happened to me. I have Win11 Pro edition, installed from scratch from the official ISO (not OEM), if that makes any difference. Maye OEM or Home editions behave differently?

mmis1000 4y ago
People blindly click ok in dialogs ,think it will be fine and thus get their setting changed or install unwanted softwares. And the dialog that nukes your app default pops up in OOBE of every win 11 major update. (To clarify, I don't think the dialog should be there at first place. A dialog that defaults to give user a big problem is just dumb)
a2tech 4y ago
You're extremely lucky then. On our (very large, very strictly managed Windows 10 fleet) Edge is CONSTANTLY becoming the default PDF handler. Its a real PITA and MS has failed to give admins the tools to manage this correctly. These anti customer dark patterns are going to drive a wedge into the golden goose of corporate sales. At the same place as in my first statement, Macs are slowly showing up in places you'd never have guessed before. Clinics, law offices, regulated environments. IE corporate MS bread and butter. Someone over there needs to get their head out of their corporate ass and see the writing on the wall and turn the ship before it hits the iceberg they're heading at under full steam.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  > Someone over there needs to get their head out of their corporate ass and see the writing on the wall and turn the ship before it hits the iceberg they're heading at under full steam It was probably some manager's KPI at Microsoft to increase Edge market share so he decided that forcing Edge to default everytime would push him ahead and get him that sweet promotion. Microsoft lacks a common vision for Windows and good leadership. As with the products of any massive corporation, Windows now feels like a product built "by committee", a result from various internal turf wars, where every manager or gang tries to push their agenda to gain visibility inside the org to show something at their next performance review and hopefully get promoted, at the expense of the end-user and the OS being universally hated by consumers and businesses. "So, what did your team achieve last year? Well, I was in charge of putting Candy-Crush and other partner-network ads in the Star Menu, giving us an extra 10 Million USD a year. Great, the investors and bean counters will love the extra revenue. HR will contact you about your promotion. Congrats!" I think much of Apple's success was Jobs dogfooding every product being developed before giving the final go ahead for shipping. I wish Satya Nadela and other higher ups there would dogfood fresh installs of Windows (not the images provided by their IT department) and see the horrible mess they're shipping to their customers. Then Nadela and those execs should ask themselves, "Would I actually want to spend money on this and have to live with it every day? If not, what could I fix to make it desirable so that others would want to buy it?". This way of consumer first thinking allowed Jobs to make Apple what it is today. Microsoft needs to put in charge of Windows someone who's in touch with consumers and business to guide this project with an iron fist instead of letting various committees and gangs sneak their own agendas in the end product. But I think Microsoft just doesn't care that much about Windows anymore and is instead focusing on Azure & cloud, OneDrive, Office365, Xbox and buying game studios, etc. so Windows is slowly rotting away unnoticed by those at the helm.
  - exceptione 4y ago
    > so Windows is slowly rotting away unnoticed by those at the helm. I wouldn't call it slowly, but you are right about your assessment. It is already quite some years ago, when evaluating the privacy and security measures of my machine, I had to conclude that MS *is* the adversary. I have a chuckle when people ask me what virus scanner they would need for their Windows machine. It is like asking how to prevent a deadly disease from catching a cold. It's not a hyperbole. All the opt-outs are illegal in the first place, but the damning fact is that MS does not allow you to switch of stealing part of your personal data anyway. You should not run Windows. If you have to, because some legacy software does not have an alternative (and I find that has become increasingly rare), then run it in a vm with no internet access. Also, we should really stop the meme about the year of the Linux Desktop. KDE has far surpassed Windows already. I use both OSes and have to conclude Windows is beyond repair. Nobody cares about this sinking ship, and that is a positive end of this rant. *EDIT* I even think MS thinks the same wrt win in a vm. I can imagine they will ship Linux one time and have win apps open in a legacy win vm.
II2II 4y ago
I can only speak for Windows 10, but I have noticed that Windows behaves differently when updating Home and Pro versions. For example: I noticed the Home edition would reinstall removed apps on certain updates, while the Pro edition would not.

jimmaswell 4y ago

I wish antitrust enforcement focused on this stuff again. Remember when MS merely including a web browser at all was brought into question?

dehrmann 4y ago
Microsoft also used to have 90% market share. It's less impressive now that Mac is a viable competitor and iOS and Android are good enough for 80% of common tasks.
- goosedragons 4y ago
  How much of the Office Suite market do they have though?
  - tinus_hn 4y ago
    If you want to use the Microsoft Office suite, it’s available on the Mac, included in Office365.
- barbariangrunge 4y ago
  By viable competitor, do you mean OS that I can’t possibly use for work or for proper gaming? Mac isn’t any more viable than Ubuntu, which is why I have an Ubuntu laptop (But a windows desktop, by utter necessity) (Edit: Actually, when it comes to gaming, Linux is getting better and better) 80% of common tasks isn’t enough when part of the remaining 20% is absolutely necessary for work
  - jazzyjackson 4y ago
    I mean, obviously it depends on the work - as if macbooks weren't standard issue at many companies ostensibly doing some kind of work if your cad software or whatever doesn't work with your OS of choice I'd take it up with the vendor
    - deleted 4y ago

mmis1000 4y ago

I think it do ask you whether you want to change the setting, except the default is nuking all your settings. And something even more annoying is: That pops up in the OOBE of every major update. If you accidentally click "yes", your settings fxxks up. Come on, I already click "no" last time, you shouldn't even ask me again about this.

warning26 4y ago
My favorite part about this "helpful" prompt is that "no" is tiny text at the corner of the screen, and the yes-please-change-all-my-defaults button is a giant "ok". This kind of behavior should be illegal, IMO.
- FredPret 4y ago
  It's not going to be illegal anytime soon, but in the meantime, you can punish them by moving to Mac, or Chromebook. I did that after an update that went too far
  - numeromancer 4y ago
    Chromebook is worse. They pioneered the "in order to use this device which we let you pretend to own you must first attach yourself to our borg" model.
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  If it's got any data protection impacts, it is illegal in Europe under the GDPR. However its enforcement is significantly lacking even against very obvious and blatant breaches, so anything slightly more subtle has no way of being addressed.
- userbinator 4y ago
  At least it says "No" and not "No Thanks" or "Maybe Later" or "Remind Me Later"? ...or as I like to call it whenever I run into one, "where's the 'Fuck Off!' button?"

actionfromafar 4y ago

So, what's rehab for Windows users? :)

arglebargle123 4y ago
A Linux install USB?
cauefcr 4y ago
A steamOS fork?

princevegeta89 4y ago

Never run Windows updates. I've always seen shady behavior with them and they did nothing significant in my case for my system in any way. I don't use windows at all but it is just giant pit of advertisements targeted towards the very basic computer users

acdha 4y ago
If you don’t use it, how have you seen “shady behavior” or been able to definitively assert that they “do nothing significant”?
- princevegeta89 4y ago
  I used it briefly in the past 1 year.
  - Bayko 4y ago
    So you have like three molecules of experience and you are generalizing?? I am on win 10 n do every single update except upgrading to 11 and I m pretty satisfied
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
  - acdha 4y ago
    With all due respect, that’s not enough time to be saying anything about it and especially not enough to be telling people not to install updates when that’s the most common way people have their computers breached. I don’t own a Windows device (and haven’t since Win98) and have had dislikes about it since the early 90s, but I’ve also supported it professionally and would never recommend someone avoid updates. Buy a Mac, perhaps, but until you’re ready to switch you should stay current.
    - princevegeta89 4y ago

binarycrusader 4y ago

Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc. There are multiple suites of tests and processes that exist to try to ensure updates preserve user data and preferences but clearly something went wrong here. I’m just a developer, not a spokesperson, but I want to ensure that this is investigated if possible. If you file a bug in feedback hub under the Windows Update category it will collect the diagnostics required to fix this issue and prevent it from happening again. If you also provide a link to the filed feedback to me I’ll be happy to triage it personally as I frequently work with the teams that are responsible for update migration. Thanks!

vanous 4y ago
> Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc. Thanks for your apology. I can imagine this could happen to some random unknown software team but not to the supposed leader of the desktop. I believe this is honest apology but I am not sure I can trust that the issue was a bug and not a feature.
- getcrunk 4y ago
  Same. Windows has done this in the past on updates
- binarycrusader 4y ago
  I can understand why you might be skeptical. However, I have learned over the years as a developer investigating update issues that the constraints placed upon the update process to ensure compatibility and resiliency are complex. The nature of the process used for most Feature Updates requires user data and preference migration and transfer. Notably, an entirely new installation of Windows is created and then existing user data and preferences are migrated or transferred as appropriate. There a variety of good reasons for this from a technical standpoint, but it has certain complexity and performance trade offs so is only used for certain types of updates. Other types of updates use an in-place upgrade methodology that doesn’t require user data and preference migration but has certain characteristics that make it currently less suitable for major feature updates. Thanks!

kyriakos 4y ago

If I'm not mistaken browser doesn't reset unless you accept the prompt you get on first boot after the update to use default Edge settings.

gman83 4y ago
I've definitely had Edge being set as the default browser following an update without any prompt to do so.

gernb 4y ago

Just to give anecdata on the other side. I too just updated to 11 22H2 because my Oculus Rift S wouldn't run without updated drivers and I thought it best to update windows first. No defaults changed for me. I wonder what the bug is. Note: I'm using Pro, not Home. At the same time windows does drive me nuts with it's darkpartterns. The worst for me on Windows 11 was all the keyboard shortcuts that try to launch MS Office, MS Teams and related crap. The only way to turn them off is via PowerTools and even then they're not off on remote desktop.

CWuestefeld 4y ago
I'm the post you're responding to. My install is the Pro edition as well. And the version I'm upgrading from was also W11, completely up to date on patches, I just didn't go to the 22H2 feature update until the GPU issues were fixed.

gigel82 4y ago

I've never had that happen to me in 20+ years of using and updating Windows. I suspected it's an urban legend but when a friend told me they experienced it with a feature update in Windows 11 I inquired further: It turns out during the first startup after a feature update in Windows 11 (and 10) they sometimes show a bunch of new prompts, one of which is a very vague text with a big (default) "Recommended Settings" and a very small, differently rendered cancellation. If you're one of the folks that just presses next / enter through a wizard without reading the instructions (which my friend was), you might have accidentally applied the "Recommended Settings". And -of course- switching the browser to Edge is "recommended" by Microsoft. Shitty dark pattern for sure but at least not forced settings change (yet).

chii 4y ago
describing it as forced is certainly technically wrong, but the results is no different. MS should not have done it, and the fact that they used a dark pattern to achieve it is not better than forcefully doing it!
Forge36 4y ago
I've never had it happen. The number of dark patterns trying to convince me to switch is infuriating. Major update "required sign in", defender "unsafe system state". I'm sure I've reset things accidentally and forgotten with it
everybodyknows 4y ago
To thoroughly exercise the old dark-pattern detection skills, I highly recommend a long day dodging the "upgrade invitations" in Turbotax.
auxbuss 4y ago
Let me present a counterpoint. I have two Apple machines. One is old and stuck on Catalina – three iterations behind the current macOS [Catalina -> Big Sur -> Monterey -> Ventura] – so for a long while I kept both on Catalina to avoid issues. Sadly, the older machine died a few weeks ago, so I decided to update the other machine to Monterey (because Ventura is still in the teething-troubles phase). Now I get about 9 Mbps here, so I started the upgrade before bed, and left it overnight to do its thing. Next day I was presented with the garish boot Monterey boot-screen and logged in. That’s it. This is a boring story. There were a few small cosmetic differences, but otherwise everything was just as it was before. No clicks required. No dark patterns. Dare I say: it just worked. There’s no reason Microsoft, or any other company, can’t do this. It’s simply respecting the user/customer. I left the Microsoft universe about a decade ago simply because it felt too stressful. Nothing was concrete. It felt like the sand was always shifting beneath you. I have no love of Apple – I’ll move if they start playing games – but for now, they do most things – far from everything – well, and I never feel disrespected, even if my wallet is somewhat lighter every now and then.

ncr100 4y ago

Microsoft "update" somehow does this to me: - I lost the ability to use my trackpad without having to wait for 1 second, holding my finger on the trackpad. This is palm-rejection. And there is NO way to turn it off. Rebooting the laptop temporarily sets the wait-time to 0 seconds, until I close the lid and sleep the laptop, then wake it again. There is a "sensitivity" feature, which uses words like "low" and "highest" .. and this does nothing to fix the issue, perceivable to me. - I lost the ability to use my game-pad with built-in trackpad. I don't know why that feature disappeared. Clicking and swiping now does .. things .. but not moving the mouse nor right/left-clicking the button. - I somehow failed to "update and shutdown." I chose that option, which said it should take 3 minutes. After 15 minutes, and multiple reboots, I was left BACK ON not shutdown, and the "update and shutdown" menu was still present. I don't know what Windows 11 even needed to update in the first place. Overall Windows disrespects the user. Its "run all the drivers, on all PC configurations, from the beginning of time" is no doubt the culprit. That kind of complexity is impossible for humans to manage. (garbage-can emoji)

rychco 4y ago

My transition to 11 has been mostly painless. Some weirdness I've experienced so far is a handful of default applications being changed (not Edge, surprisingly enough) and that since my default PDF reader is Okular all the icons for .pdf files are now a blank white rectangles instead of the nice white/blue okular icons they used to be. To be fair though, this could be some incompatibility with icon formats/sizes or something... I haven't looked into it. My only real annoyance so far is that all my old context menu items are now tucked away into an additional context menu, such that I now have to right-click -> "Show more options" -> old context menu. A bit of an odd choice.

Iwan-Zotow 4y ago
> My transition to 11 has been mostly painless Sounds like Douglas Adams - mostly harmless

the_only_law 4y ago

I just want to know how to turn the damn “anti malware service executable off”. I’ve turned it off in settings, I’ve added various registry keys but that damn process still haunts me.

intelVISA 4y ago
The same service that sends Ms every bin you run? You've got a lot of Spectres in that machine I'm afraid.

sedawk 4y ago

Of many sh!ty things WU/upgrading does, this is the most infuriating one. Why on earth do MS want to be so hostile towards their users is beyond me. I haven't recommended Windoze laptop to any of my friends-n-family since the downward spiral of Win8 or so.