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Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test
- psychlops 4y agoOr how to train a billion people to do what their told.
- dis-sys 4y agocovid zero is getting more and more like economy zero.
- iso1631 4y agoThose running China know this, so why is it continuing
- another_story 4y agoBecause it doesn't impact the ones in control.
- monkeydust 4y agoThis I don't get and open to someone explaining it. There was a market rumour yesterday that committee was established to remove this rule ...markets jumped but that rumour was squashed by their government. Clearly it's causing pain and what happens with the next pandemic. Do the know something we don't?
- refurb 4y agoRight. I don’t get what the end game is. Covid will always be around, but with effective vaccines it’ll be more an annoyance than a serious disease. Right now China is treating each case like they did before vaccines. Clearly once restrictions will relax, Covid will spike. At least if they hope to have any normal sort of relationship with the outside world. So what then? Ignore it? Just one day say “infections don’t matter”? It’s odd.
- imiric 4y agoThe CCP would rather destroy the economy and imprison their population, than backtrack on a policy, admit they were wrong, and face humiliation. Protecting the government image is paramount in totalitarianism.
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- fortylove 4y agoI was considering this same point myself this past weekend. Very odd, but I suspect we'll never know unless there's some obviously catastrophic event in the future.
- b112 4y agoYou can't stop covid's spread, only slow it, so I doubt this is the reason.
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- JetAlone 4y agoWhat, like some kind of engineered biotech effect that will allow one nation to finally take over the world? It's a spooky enough scenario to be sexy to think about, but not even I'm tinfoil hat enough to think that's a practical move for us right now.
- mach1ne 4y agoI was thinking more along the lines that it was found that the lab ferrets experienced slow but continuous neural degredation without an end in sight after infection. But you're right, it's not practical society-level to worry about.
- JetAlone 4y agoYeah. I was commenting in a thread a few hours ago trying to reason about alcohol's degrading effects on the brain. Also depression and morbid obesity. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33424857 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33424857 Worry probably causes neural degradation too. I'm still gonna drink alcohol and I'm still going to end up catching some diseases. I'll probably still eat some burgers, too. I'd like to not be a total wreck for doing any of these sorts of things too much. I've heard ferrets smell kinda bad, but I'd probably still want to pet a brain damaged one.
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- mirekrusin 4y agoThat’s halloween for adults stuff.
- oldgradstudent 4y agoHalloween the holiday or Halloween the horror franchise?
- cornedor 4y agoIn the video you can hear the music is still playing. Imagine waiting at the exit four hours, listening to the same tune over and over again.
- dusted 4y agoThis reminds me of "down and out in the magic kingdom" for some reason :)
- dylan604 4y agoOr the final scene in Zombieland
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- oneoff786 4y agoCan you name a single marvel superhero who has been replaced by a superior version of themselves that is a suppressed minority? Or any Disney character?
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- notacanofsoda 4y agoI don't agree with the parent commenter, but wasn't Captain Marvel originally male? The female character of Captain Marvel in the movies was known as Ms. Marvel in the comics (until 2012): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Danvers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Danvers. Similar story with Spider-man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Morales https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Morales. There hadn't been an African-american spider-man until 2011. I'm not a comic book nerd, so I'm probably entirely wrong about this.
- oneoff786 4y agoSeems like a stretch. There have been many characters using the name Captain Marvel, male and female. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Marvel_Comics) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Marvel_Comic... Miles morales is a different person. He is not Black Peter Parker. They coexist in context dead or alive or across universes or whatever. If you watch a marvel movie you’ll see it’s mostly character drama, not superhero theatrics. The superhero alias is not the character. The MCU captain America is currently the Falcon, a black guy, who is objectively much weaker (not a super soldier or powered in any way. He does have fancy flying tech but they’ve tried to convey that he’s clearly inferior). One of the more nuanced and better MCU entries directly addressing the inherent supremacist nature of superhero culture and the cultural implications of just switching the race of a cultural icon. Imo, those are actually important relevant themes to drudge through. They’re not forced woke ideas forced upon people. It’s very problematic if you can’t explore such ideas without criticism for trying to do so rather than critical responses to the ideas themselves.
- b0ner_t0ner 4y agoAs long as they keep the “TRON Lightcycle Power Run” ride open, it's still better than being stuck inside an IKEA (previously: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-62547503 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-62547503 ); at least you get some outdoor area.
- yellow_lead 4y ago> rides are continuing to operate for those trapped inside The Happiest Place on Earth So there's an outbreak, but yeah let's let everyone squish onto the rides together.
- kagaw 4y agosurvival kit is I think a necessity when you go out in-case you're locked down
- Hackbraten 4y ago> The sudden nature lockdowns have seen people fleeing shops - including a Shanghai branch of Swedish furniture giant Ikea - and workplaces as they try to avoid being trapped inside. The Store is Closed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33405541 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33405541
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- theGeatZhopa 4y agoThey're still able to have fun there. Rides continue to work :) On the other side, in some parts of Europe there's a discussion to let the infected go to work (even with symptoms and of course, if one's feeling capable of work) - but, still, go to work with other infected/work with infected. I can understand that with so high density in people even one infection can lead to big massive spreads and thus to overloaded capacity of local hospitals in less than 48h - but, it's too much. I don't have a suggestion how to handle that either. The Best would be everyone just stick a few weeks to the measures and diminish the countless spots to a few controllable one's. If that would be possible, we would not only reduce the cases, but also slowly minimize the spreading. May be 1-2 months, everything wouldn't be a problem any more.. Nike: just do it :)
- christkv 4y agoYou'll live in the park forever. Forcefully made to ride the rides everyday to keep up the Disney spirit and getting the same Mickey shaped burger each day as the mascots slowly spiral into demented depression.
- tcmb 4y ago> The Best would be everyone just stick a few weeks to the measures and diminish the countless spots to a few controllable one's. Isn’t that what China has been attempting for months, rather unsuccessfully?
- Firmwarrior 4y agoTheir strategy is extremely successful. They have an excuse to lock people down and turn parts of the country into a prison any time they want.. forever!
- ithkuil 4y agoAre you saying that the CCP just wants to lock up people for the perverse pleasure of having random people locked up? Regimes lock up particular people when particular people are a threat. They may lock people up unnecessarily just to err on the side of caution. But if they overdo it it can backfire. So far the main reason I hear from Chinese people to criticize Xi and the CCP is mostly about COVID and lockdowns, and never for any of the reasons westerners point the finger against the regime
- andyp-kw 4y agoCOVID has taught me a lot about the cultural differences between the west and China. A friend of mine worked in China for many years, but after several months of being locked in their apartment block and tested every 72 hours they chose to leave China. I honestly couldn't imagine people in the West putting up with that, however I'm yet to fully understand why Chinese people continue to suffer the rules without riot.
- etherael 4y agoTheres an extremely obvious difference that jumps out just from your description. You do know what it is, right?
- rippercushions 4y agoThe vast majority of Chinese people have no option but to continue to suffer the rules, although not a few are speaking up despite the likely consequences: https://www.thestatesman.com/world/tibetans-march-on-streets-against-chinese-governments-severe-covid-restrictions-1503127198.html https://www.thestatesman.com/world/tibetans-march-on-streets... (note that the protestors are by and large Chinese, not Tibetan) Of the remaining privileged minority, many are choosing to GTFO.
- dylan604 4y agoOther than the money leaving the country, would those leaving essentially be the grease on the squeaky wheel? If they have the financial freedom to have the courage to speak out, but then use that financial position to GTFO, that essentially helps the CCP as there's a much lower volume of opposition.
- rippercushions 4y agoSuch is the dilemma of living or leaving a dictatorship. Also, it's one thing to stand on the barricades and risk prison when you're young and single, but it's a whole different level when you have family and you know the CCP will not hesitate to use them as pawns. (In Xinjiang, it's all too common for parents to get sent to reeducation camps, and the children end up in orphanages.)
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- joshxyz 4y agothey should at least keep the rides running
- tgsovlerkhgsel 4y agoFrom the article: "rides are continuing to operate"
- nixcraft 4y agoAlso, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-tata-to-add-up-to-45-000-workers-at-iphone-parts-plant https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So how long can China keep up with this zero policy as factories move production elsewhere? According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lockdowns#Variation_by_countries_and_territories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lockdowns#Variation_b...), a few countries and territories did not use the lockdown strategy at all: including Japan, Belarus, Sweden, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tanzania, two states in Brazil and certain United States states. There are so many lessons to learn from this pandemic, and I hope future generations of Earth have fewer troubles dealing with deadly pandemics. Lockdown may be a temporary solution. The long-term solution is to maintain better hygiene (masks, washing hands) and get the vaccine without turning into political drama all over Twitter.
- elvis10ten 4y ago> washing hands I always thought the pandemic will make fist bumps or other forms of greetings “mainstream”. But everyone (I know) have reverted back to hand shakes. I guessing the same with Covid hygiene measures. > get the vaccine without turning into political drama all over Twitter. Like the majority of the people not taking the vaccine are on Twitter or do so because of social media drama.
- i_am_proteus 4y agoI personally had hoped the pan demic would normalize the wearing of gloves when in public, to be taken off as needed to eat, etc. But here we are. [Edited to explicitly indicate that this was a satirical post]
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- notacanofsoda 4y agoWhere do people sleep in the park?
- voxadam 4y agoWith the addition of a tarp or some thatching from another ride one of the teacups[0] might make a passable yurt.[1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Tea_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Tea_Party [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yurt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yurt
- TedDoesntTalk 4y agoFor 10 people out of thousands?
- voxadam 4y agoI'll admit, my idea has some minor scalability issues.
- lvturner 4y agoThey don't -- they may leave if they show a negative covid test, and one would assume there are testing capabilities on site shortly after the announcement. Last report is that everyone left by 10:30pm [0] Don't get me wrong however, I would not appreciate being stuck in such circumstances for multiple hours. [0] https://www.scmp.com/video/coronavirus/3197996/thousands-stuck-inside-shanghai-disney-resort-after-snap-covid-lockdown https://www.scmp.com/video/coronavirus/3197996/thousands-stu... (video timestamp: 0:50)
- tsol 4y ago>Last report is that everyone left by 10:30pm [0] That certainly sounds hectic, but this feels like clickbait. Being delayed by a few hours is pretty typical anywhere you may go with unforeseen circumstances.
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- mrcus 4y agoI suggest you read Amnesty’s report on the human rights situation in China and reevaluate your position: https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/east-asia/china/report-china/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/eas...
- hn_throwaway_99 4y agoI'm honestly really, really confused about what the CCP wants or thinks the end game of this policy will be. It's patently obviously with Covid quickly becoming or already endemic in the rest of the world that these outbreaks will continue, and likely grow, in China. So are they using this policy just as a tool to show the control they have? At some point of there is enough damage to the economy and damage to individuals that it only increases the likelihood of large scale social unrest.
- lithos 4y agoProtecting the image of the government by never back tracking. Malicious compliance of people implementing the programs. Ruining Chi's legacy. Normalization for a more authoritarian shift. Fear of losing a tool that prevents movement (IE lockdowns have been pivotal to prevent banking theft protests). It won't be one thing. And someone posting here won't have the best insights, and access.
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- ceilingcorner 4y agoEvery time I see events like this happen, I get extremely skeptical of the idea that China will somehow replace the US as leader of the world. I’m not sure if I’m justified in thinking so, but I just cannot imagine actions like this leading to a creative, innovative culture.
- birdyrooster 4y agoCCP don’t want to lead the world. CCP needs to lead China through all means necessary and global trade is necessary for that.
- refurb 4y ago“ In his three-and-a-half-hour political report to the Party’s 2,300 top officials, Xi laid out a vision for China to lead the world in everything from science and technology, to modern weaponry and military might, to providing a model of economic development and governance for other countries to follow.” https://apcoworldwide.com/blog/xi-jinpings-new-era-of-global-leadership/ https://apcoworldwide.com/blog/xi-jinpings-new-era-of-global...
- gwd 4y agoThe problem is two different meanings of "lead"; one simply means "being in front", like in a race; another means, "Guiding and directing coordination of a large group of people". The first is completely individual; the second is collaborative. "Leading the world in science and technology" means "having more advanced science and technology than the rest of the world"; and even "providing a model" means, "letting people copy it if they feel like it". That's all completely about China. When people talking about the US leading the world, it's more about guidance and influence over coordinated action; NATO, climate change, IMF, WHO, etc. That's something China as a country has never been particularly interested in. Imagine, for instance, China trying to arrange sanctions in response to something. They're not even close to having that kind of influence, and they're not particularly trying.
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- glanzwulf 4y agoThey can checkout any time they like, but they can never leave. Welcome to Disneyland Shanghai, such a lovely place
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- publicola1990 4y agoReport is rather sensationalized like much on the reports from BBC, and does not provide closure on the story. From another news source (CBS): "The park closed Monday for testing of staff and visitors, Walt Disney Co. and the government said in separate statements. The city health bureau said guests all tested negative and were allowed to leave by 8:30 p.m., but one visitor from elsewhere in China told the Reuters news agency she didn't make it out until 10 p.m.". https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/shanghai-disneyland-closed-covid-china-visitors-locked-in-park-for-testing/ https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/shanghai-disneyland-closed-...
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- jl6 4y agoStruggling to understand China’s endgame here. Assuming they achieve zero covid, surely they will be left with a population that is still vulnerable to covid, while the rest of the world (which has largely stopped caring) will have developed immunity the hard way, and therefore China must maintain permanent quarantine/isolation to avoid reintroducing the virus?
- realgeniushere 4y agoI have been puzzled by this too, especially given my general perception of Chinese leadership as highly competent. My best theory is that Chinese people are very paranoid about infectious disease, and that the leadership believes that their political legitimacy would be threatened by mass infection numbers.
- Balgair 4y agoI mean, we thought that too about Putin et al, about the UK, and about the US. I think we may need to reexamine our priors about how intelligent our leaders are.
- chengiz 4y agoThe Chinese government does not care about its people catching covid. It is not about covid but about clamping down. It's a training exercise for what to do during rebellion.
- 93po 4y agoAre the Chinese people at risk of rebelling and overthrowing their government or is this more weird anti-China xenophobia based on absolutely nothing?
- chengiz 4y agoIt is not xenophobic to be anti Chinese government. You should know that Xi's government has a recent history of increasing repression and paranoia. It is not that the people are "at risk" of rebelling, it is that the government is paranoid about it.
- ccbccccbbcccbb 4y agoThere's an abundance of advocates for every flavor of fascism on this planet, which will not end up well for the humankind.
- rbanffy 4y agoDo they at least get free rides during quarantine?
- screamingninja 4y agoThey do! > However, those awaiting their freedom at Shanghai Disney can console themselves with one positive: rides are continuing to operate for those trapped inside The Happiest Place on Earth.
- rbanffy 4y agoCan we go in?
- LargoLasskhyfv 4y agoPhantomias to the rescue!