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reMarkable 2

• corndoge 4y ago
  I went with the Ratta Supernote A5X because of Remarkable’s ridiculous subscription model. Extremely satisfied with it, had it for about six months now. E-ink tablets are everything they’re cracked up to be.
• Ravir 4y ago
  does remarkable support this: import documents/pictures in color, make notes on them and then reexport as pdf or png in color ? if not, any other device that support this ^?
  • tucnak 4y ago
    It does
• chatterhead 4y ago
  Never going to buy subscription based hardware.
  • keepquestioning 4y ago
    Oura destroyed their business this way.
    • cyberpunk 4y ago
      They seem to be doing alright, I still like mine… Are you basing that just off the sentiment of their subreddit or some other data?
      • 0xCMP 4y ago
        I love my Oura ring but if I didn't get the subscription for free from upgrading to the newer ring I wouldn't have bought it.
  • atoav 4y ago
    I am of the same opinion, I however don't know if this is a fitting label for this product. If I read this correctly they offer an optional service called "Connect" where notes and sketches are stored in their cloud: > Here’s what’s included with your reMarkable if you don't have a subscription: > > Google Drive, Dropbox, and OneDrive integration > > Access the most popular cloud storage services from your digital notebook with Integrations. Browse stored files, copy them to your reMarkable, and upload notes and documents directly to your Google Drive, Dropbox, or OneDrive accounts from your paper tablet. The even have a guide showing you how to setup these other services. Sure it is still not optimal, it should be more hackable and people should be able to add their own cloud/syncing solutions if tou ask me, but this is not "subscription based hardware" by my standards.
  • achow 4y ago
    Hardware can still be used.. only cloud storage seems to be problem. Without Connect (~$4/month), only files used and synced online in the last 50 days will continue to be stored in the reMarkable cloud or updated in our mobile and desktop apps. It’s also possible to turn off the sync functionality if you don’t wish to use the cloud service.
    • stewbrew 4y ago
      The device is rather useless without the cloud service, isn't it.
      • YeBanKo 4y ago
        Why is it useless without cloud if you can still use USB?
        • afandian 4y ago
          They broke that feature. They’ve been quite responsive to my Zendesk ticket, and claim to be working on it. But I don’t know if they fixed it yet. For a number of versions at least it was impossible to use USB upload. Also, it was always advertised as “experimental”. They don’t officially support non-cloud use. Edit: To clarify that last comment, I mean non-cloud use for the advertised primary benefits. I.e. getting your notes off (and onto) the device.
          • darkteflon 4y ago
            That’s absolutely insane. I’m exactly the kind of person that would be interested in the RM2 but every time it comes up on HN I learn something new that keeps me away. Strange business.
            • afandian 4y ago
              With this issue I think it’s just they’re in move fast break things mode still. Probably feeling the heat from the competition and focusing on competitive features. But as a user, my impression is that they don’t consider this feature to be existential enough to have a smoke test for. And I do.
  • kstrauser 4y ago
    Beat me to it. That was a dealbreaker for me. I got a couple of Rocketbook notebooks for when I want something that really feels like paper, plus an iPad for the large-screen computing bits. Pity, because I love the idea of the Remarkable and would strongly consider it were it not for the subscription.
    • lhl 4y ago
      While the RM2 is probably the simplest/easiest to use, there are actually a lot of other eink tablet manufacturers - Boox, Supernote, Fujitsu Quaderno, and Quirklogic are probably the ones I'd look at. They have different tradeoffs on features, cost, size, etc but all can do roughly the same thing (allow paper-like notetaking, outdoor reading, etc).
  • epakai 4y ago
    There's an option to self host (rmfakecloud) if you find the hardware compelling. Still a fairly niche device though.
  • sidr 4y ago
    Is this subscription-based hardware though? It's an open linux device and you can write any software you want to work with it. There's no requirement to pay for their cloud storage if you don't want to.
• dottedmag 4y ago
  Does it work as an offline book reader?
  • lights0123 4y ago
    Yes. Official support for uploading PDF and unencrypted EPUB over USB but the interface is designed for annotating instead of reading. koreader or plato can be installed (unofficially) for a much better reading-first experience.
  • goosedragons 4y ago
    Sure. But be warned it doesn't support Adobe DRM ePubs and the ePub support is really bad. Like worse than a 10 year old Kobo bad. PDFs work fine. For book reading look at literally anyone else in the space. Kobo, Amazon, Boox, Boyue all make 10" note takers now and they'll do a better job at displaying books.
• oxff 4y ago
  I hope R3 gets released so this goes on sale, want it but the price is oof.
  • Twirrim 4y ago
    When I looked at it a few months ago: "$279? That's not too bad.. oh wait, that's for refurb. $299 new. Okay, still good. Wait what.. $129 for the pen, too? Hang on... $179 for the cover/case?!" Talk about nickle and diming you.
    • isoprophlex 4y ago
      But wait, there's more! Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, Monthly Recurring Revenue? Will that thing needs a subscription too? I guess so...
    • afandian 4y ago
      I’m a customer. The hardware (reMarkable 1 refurb) is nice. I bought it a while back before they made this change to the website. But advertising the price without the pen is so dishonest. It’s not nickel and dime, it’s deceptive marketing. It destroys trust. It means that as a happy customer, I will never recommend the product.
    • lhl 4y ago
      One thing about the Remarkable is that it, like many other eink tablets uses a Wacom EMR layer so almost any third party Wacom pen should work ($25-50). The Lamy Al-star is pretty good and available worldwide. I like the Staedtler Noris jumbo pen as well (although the nib is significantly softer/rubberier so it might not appeal to everyone). My favorite pen atm, which might not be available globally, is the Wacom CP20206BZ - it's a stylus embedded in a wooden Mitsubishi Hi-Uni shell, and it feels awesome in the hand. I was a Remarkable 1 early adopter and am grandfathered in on their cloud plan but I actually ended up not using it so much (their software sucked for most of the device lifetime). A couple years ago I ended up switching to a Boox Note 3 instead of a RM2 and it's responsive enough for me (the competition mostly caught up on latency) and as a full Android system, it's much more functional for me. It's been easier for me to keep my PDFs/papers in sync, I can read all my Kobo and Kindle books, and it's fine for notetaking. There's a small niche of YouTubers that do in depth reviews of various eink tablets (My Deep Guide is probably the most in depth) which I'd recommend for anyone in the market.
• bravura 4y ago
  Remarkable needs a backlight, otherwise there is no reason to upgrade past R1.
  • achow 4y ago
    *Frontlight. Backlight is not possible in eink readers, right?
    • user3939382 4y ago
      My Kobo has an adjustable backlight that works great.
      • kstrauser 4y ago
        Are you sure it’s a backlight? I’m looking at my Libra 2 and can’t tell whether the light’s in front or in back.
        • TeMPOraL 4y ago
          Maybe its back but conducted to front through a piece of translucent plastic? I.e. still a frontlight.
        • user3939382 4y ago
          I can say perceptually it's a backlight, how they did it in engineering terms I'm not sure. It can even be in dark mode and variably backlight only the foreground content with no change in the illumination of the dark background.
      • achow 4y ago
        Little dated (2012) but basic material properties of eink has not changed: https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/12/26/technology/light-reading.html https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012... Eink due to its USP and fundamental characteristics only reflects light and does not transmit (i.e., is not transparent. Transparency is needed for back lighting).
• gnicholas 4y ago
  I'm curious: how does Amazon's foray into this sector affect anyone's feelings? Do people want a single-purpose device like this, or would they rather have a multi-purpose Kindle (or iPad, with more functionality but much less battery life)?
  • patrickdavey 4y ago
    I own an rm2 and love it. However, I also love my Kindle and if I had to choose I'd choose the Kindle. When my Kindle (or RM) dies, I'll almost certainly replace it with the new writable Kindle, especially as I assume it's backlit which I feel is something really missing from the RM.
  • esperent 4y ago
    The big differentiator in these products is drawing latency. Currently there's only two with barely acceptable level IMO: Remarkable 2 and Supernote a5x/a6x, both around 30ms. I can't find any numbers for the Kindle Scribe so I guess no one has tested yet. But I also bet if Amazon was proud of the number they'd be shouting about it - especially if it was better than the others. So Remarkable and Supernote are probably fine for another generation at least.
    • geokon 4y ago
      Huawei MatePad Paper is under 30
    • senknvd 4y ago
      the iPad Pro gets to around 9ms perceived latency by using a very interesting trick. Essentially, it predicts the direction the pencil is moving and generates a short straight line in that direction. After the pencil has moved on, it corrects the line to follow the actual path the pencil took. I wonder if the e-ink companies could do that?
    • wellthisisgreat 4y ago
      i remember reading that backlight on eink tablet compromises writing experience, which was why Supernote didn't add it. I can believe that as backlight probaly requires an extra layer between the writing surface and the sensing surface. Seeing that Amazon Scribe has backlight I imagine they prioritized e-reading vs e-writing, which is understandable because Kindle. This is all pure speculation though. I do have Supernote and the writing is as good as it gets for me paper-wise, my brain is fooled into thinking I am proofreading text printed on paper, which was all i wanted from that device.
• phrz 4y ago
  A wonderful product ruined by a proprietary cloud. The problem with the latter was very promptly proven by the unilateral imposition of a subscription. The product is useless without its cloud.
  • alwayslikethis 4y ago
    I have an Onyx Boox e-ink writing device. While it also has a cloud service, it seems to be less necessary since it is just Android so you can just install whatever you need on it. I use Syncthing for this and it works fine.
    • esperent 4y ago
      How is the writing/drawing latency in practice? I watched some videos comparing the Remarkable 2, Supernote a5, and Boox Note 2. From the video it looked like the Boox had a bad delay. Could appear worse because of the backlight which increases distance from pen to screen. The Supernote and Remarkable also had visible delay that would annoy me, but the larger delay of the Boox looked like a deal breaker to me.
      • do_it_simpler 4y ago
        I've had a Boox Note Air 2 since launch and I can't discern any drawing delay. It's fantastic to write / draw with.
        • NalNezumi 4y ago
          Question from a fellow Note Air 2 user but is there any note taking app replacement that can do the handwriting recognition better than the default app? I'd like to recognize only part of the notes (not the entire page, if I write figures or math formulas that function blows it up ) so that my notes become searchable
          • b112 4y ago
            Everyone in this thread take note, re: security. Boox devices relentlessly phone home to IP addresses in China. This is in addition to syncing to alibaba cloud servers in Calofornia.
• stewbrew 4y ago
  The rm2 is a really nice device but you also have to take into account the price for their subscription service. IMHO they totally ruined it with their subscription service. On the other, I assume this is the only way they could raise the money to keep going. Times don't get better for them with more and more e-ink devices that support note taking etc.
  • szszrk 4y ago
    Worth noting they actually announced changes to subscription that basically cancels the whole thing. Subscription still exists, it's cheaper, but basic functions that we (clients) were told comes with device itself are again not tied to subscription. That move of theirs was insane, this change must be a direct reflections of clients correctly voting with their wallets.
    • TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
      I bought a Remarkable 2 just before they imposed subscriptions. It’s grandfathered into the old plan (free unlimited storage). Anyone looking to buy it with case, stylus, extra nibs, etc please contact me in my profile email address. Love it but don’t use it.
      • ekianjo 4y ago
        contacted
      • AshamedCaptain 4y ago
        Unlimited subscriptions cannot be resold.
    • ad404b8a372f2b9 4y ago
      If you were told it comes with the device as a client then it comes with the device. They were transparent about the switch to subscriptions, anyone who bought before subscriptions has all these features for free, anyone who bought after would have been able to read about the subscription model before buying.
• qzw 4y ago
  Amazon is entering this space with the upcoming Kindle Scribe. I wish Remarkable luck, but the odds of them surviving as an independent entity is going to plummet if the Scribe is at all decent.
• ashton314 4y ago
  My dream machine is an e-ink tablet that runs both KOReader as well as Zotero. Make that and I’ll buy it in a heartbeat. The perfect combo for a reader/academic.
  • ekianjo 4y ago
    https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348678 https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348678
  • fake-name 4y ago
    There are lots of android-based e-ink tablets out there that do that. I have a Onyx Boox Note 2. The company is kind of a bunch of dicks (GPL violations ahoy!) but it works very nicely. There are other alternatives out at this point.
• kretaceous 4y ago
  I was curious if the device could recognise my terrible handwriting. As per this page, they use MyScript[1]. Here's a demo of the software if anyone's interested to confirm the same: https://webdemo.myscript.com/views/text/index.html https://webdemo.myscript.com/views/text/index.html 1: https://myscript.com https://myscript.com (TIL)
  • austinjp 4y ago
    Oh the demos are great. Not flawless, but it's nice to write mathematical notation by hand and get LaTeX out. https://webdemo.myscript.com/views/math/ https://webdemo.myscript.com/views/math/
  • Eugr 4y ago
    I use MyScript Nebo on my iPad for note taking and it works great. The handwriting recognition is impressive!
• rado 4y ago
  Beautiful, but inaccessible site
• user3939382 4y ago
  If you can get your own root certificate on this thing you can see how its cloud transfer works and theoretically redirect it to your own box, but it would most likely be a lot of work.
  • hanche 4y ago
    You might have a look at https://ddvk.github.io/rmfakecloud/ https://ddvk.github.io/rmfakecloud/ ;-)
• abledon 4y ago
  Now partner with framework laptops and make an eink laptop already
• makach 4y ago
  I am one of the original kickstarter backers and got mine at a very favorable price compared to what they are selling it for now. As a original kickstarter backer they also provided me with a free tier for their subscription service so I am not paying anything extra to have full functionality, this is very important to me because I am not very excited of subscription based software features - remarkable please take note of this! The remarkable unit is still a thing of beauty. It excels at what it does, and I bring it with me everywhere. I use the cloud features to pick up documents and use it to hold my PDFs and eBooks and it is an important device for my note taking. I have modded the unit a little bit by replacing the original back-ground pictures. To be able to access this device as root appeals very much to me, I very much feel in control of my device. From a security point of view, they still have some work to do. It is embarrassing when the unit goes into sleep mode and private notes are kept visible to everyone. I created a ticket in they support system, but they don't seem to take it seriously. There is also the issue with only having a 4-code pin to unlock the device. This means that you must be very careful with what you write and store on the unit. Sensitive notes should not be stored on the unit. There is also no way to deprecate the unit and the content if it is lost or it hasn't check in against the cloud. The software that is installed on your PC/Mac has very basic functionality. Overall, would still strongly recommend, 8/10.
  • nixpulvis 4y ago
    Funny, I often wish to leave the note on screen while in sleep mode. I kinda wish there were two actions, one for lock and another for sleep... or something.
    • wakeupcall 4y ago
      I had a ticket on this. There's no reason not to write "device is off" on the banner which is already there in sleep mode. A notebook doesn't make the note disappear.
      • marcus_holmes 4y ago
        mine has "remarkable is sleeping" shown when it's sleeping, and I need to unlock it to get it to show anything.
• vertis 4y ago
  Is there a reason this is trending, I can't see any changes recently? I played with the RM1 at work and quite liked it, but the locked down experience is a deal breaker. I want to be able to work with Obsidian (Onyx Boox might do this).
  • snehk 4y ago
    Amazon recently announced a similar product and it seems like Remarkable has increased their marketing budget because of this.
    • roflyear 4y ago
      Yah HN is gamed big time. Must be easy to get stuff to the front page.
      • tomcam 4y ago
        Prove it
        • abofh 4y ago
          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33352967 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33352967
          • harryvederci 4y ago
            Not a fan of this whole "HN is being gamed" thread, but dammit this made me laugh out loud.
            • roflyear 4y ago
              You don't believe people try to get stuff to the front page of HN and Reddit? I'm not saying there is a foolproof way to do it, but this is what marketing and PR firms do every day.
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• grepLeigh 4y ago
  I loved my Remarkable 1/2, used both of them daily. For awhile, Remarkable felt like the best in class e-ink tablet. The writing experience is lovely. I ended up giving them away after 1-2 years of use though. Currently prefer Onyx Box Nova Air C for the backlight, color e-ink, and split screen capabilities. Since Onyx runs an Android variant, I can use Libby/Overdrive to check out audio/ebooks from my local library. Remarkable's software was painful to depend on daily. I adore e-ink tablets as a class of devices, largely due to a positive first experience with Remarkable. Hoping Remarkable figures out a sane business model.
  • Aeolun 4y ago
    > Onyx Box Nova Air C Call me old fashioned, but I just cannot take a product with a name like this seriously. Is it a knockoff sold by OODREEFT on Amazon? Does it come pre-installed with Chinese spyware? That’s the signal a name like that gives me. Same for the fact that it runs an android variant. Even if the remarkable software is sometimes suboptimal at least they took the time to build their own.
    • wiseowise 4y ago
      > Does it come pre-installed with Chinese spyware? It literally does, yes.
      • BossingAround 4y ago
        Is this a substantiated claim in any way?
        • grepLeigh 4y ago
          There's telemetry from Boox's app store, which can be disabled. I can sniff traffic and blog the results, if people are interested. Edited: I should also note that my threat model is someone who cares about my personal privacy, but my life doesn't depend on it. Someone else would need to inspect for the kind of rootkits nation-state actors would be worried about. I just use mine to read library books, doodle, and mark up white papers.
• nathell 4y ago
  I’ve bought myself a reMarkable 2 with the approach that „I’m just getting an expensive toy” (ie not an everyday work tool, just a nice gizmo). And it’s been great, if a bit pricey. (On the flip side, I have a free subscription.) Some things I’ve used it for, so far: - To write handwritten.blog. - As a notebook. Nothing much to mention here. Being able to pick a page template (plain/dotted/lined/squared) is nice. - Reading PDFs. Kindle won’t quite cut it, even with k2pdfopt – the screen size makes a difference. Plus, you can annotate them! - Reading code. `npx repo-to-pdf some-repo` and then proceed as above. Great for getting oneself into a full-focus mode. - Live-sketching at conference calls. I just share the reMarkable screen to my Mac and then share the companion app’s window on Zoom. Tried it out twice during internal brown-bags, worked very nice. - As an actual toy. Getting grandma’s picture onto an e-ink screen and being able to draw a moustache lights up a big smile on my 8yo niece’s face.
  • echelon 4y ago
    > handwritten.blog This is so cool!
    • reustle 4y ago
      Clickable https://handwritten.blog/ https://handwritten.blog/
  • akamaka 4y ago
    Is it easy to use for reading daily news, or would that require some hacking to get my news content to transfer to it automatically?
    • geewee 4y ago
      Also have a remarkable. While hacking it is reasonably easy, you would need to do a bit of it to make this work smoothly I think.
    • funksta 4y ago
      There's nothing in the main ecosystem for getting news content on the device (besides manually sending individual articles to the rM via the chrome extension). I'm working on a project that pulls from RSS/Twitter/Reddit, formats all your subscriptions into a single pdf, and syncs to Google Drive (which the rM can sync with). It's working great for me so far but is the closest to "automatic" I think you can achieve with the device right now.
• L0stLink 4y ago
  I honestly cannot see the value in ReMarkable after the Kindle Scribe announcement. The kindle has a newer faster, 300dpi display vs 226dpi on the ReMarkable. I am waiting on reviews before ordering one for myself, but I can already see that Kindle Scribe is going to be disruptive for this segment.
  • wiseowise 4y ago
    Supposedly higher latency and worse experience when writing(also supposedly). I own Remarkable 2, and unless they can replicate same paper feeling, it won’t a replacement for Remarkable. But it is a nice eBook reader, yes.
    • knaik94 4y ago
      The kindle will be using wacom emr which is more then adequate for most people. I never had a problem with the technology before and I don't think it will be practically worse. I can't imagine most people expect it to feel like writing on paper.
      • wiseowise 4y ago
        That’s one of the main selling points of Remarkable. It was never targeted at “most” people.
      • xd1936 4y ago
        The reMarkable and the Kindle both use Wacom EMR, but that doesn't determine latency on these devices. It's all about the display's refresh rate... That's always been the Achilles Heel of ePaper. Honestly, the reMarkable 2 is perfectly fine for me.
    • BossingAround 4y ago
      RM user base seems like a very niche Venn diagram: 1) People that love the feel of fountain pen writing. 2) People that love having all of their notes electronically. I love what writing feels like, so I have a pen and paper and study offline (I typically throw out my notes). Generally, if you belong to just one of the two categories, you don't need to pay the RM premium.
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• firstSpeaker 4y ago
  I used to have the earlier version of Kindle, it was called Kindle DX (much bigger screen compared to new kindle editions). When that one broke down I didn't get another e-reader until now. Now I see that I can get something in that size with possibility of taking notes. :). I wait to see how Scribe stack against RM2 and then make a purchase.
• artdigital 4y ago
  Love my ReMarkable but I'm one of those paper nuts that likes to scribble a lot I use it as an "endless pile of paper" and don't think much about organizing my notes. It's very effective at emulating paper, and because it can do so little it's also very nice to keeping focus and not getting distracted It's my go-to tool for jotting down ideas, or taking notes during meetings and it's always on my table
  • hoppla 4y ago
    Ditto, my desk is much more tidier without a big stack on papers with random thoughts and ideas scribbled on them. Still a mess though…
  • auggierose 4y ago
    I had a ReMarkable 2 last year, but sent it back. For reading PDFs my iPad Pro 12.9 inch is way better, and for taking notes and scribbling paper is way better. I can also have 10 sheets of paper or more next to each other on my desk, try that with a ReMarkable. It's a beautiful device, but inferior to the alternatives, at least for me.
    • rpastuszak 4y ago
      You might wanna try Paperlike: https://paperlike.com/products/paperlike-for-ipad https://paperlike.com/products/paperlike-for-ipad It made a huge difference for me. My use case is similar to yours. I use it for drawing but also as an endless pile of paper with Concepts.
      • auggierose 4y ago
        I have one :-) Never used it though, I just don't have a need for writing on my iPad. Writing on real paper with a nice pen is about as good as it gets for me. I am always imagining how cool computer supported drawing or something like that might be, but so far there is no software for that which I like. When there is, I might finally use the paperlike!
  • rpastuszak 4y ago
• sdze 4y ago
  Don’t bother and buy an iPad. I have the rM and it really lacks any useful feature that could a 1ghz cpu offer to paper.
  • wiseowise 4y ago
    Don’t bother and kill your eyes in the process.
    • sdze 4y ago
      Voodoo Science.
      • wiseowise 4y ago
        My tired eyes beg to differ.
        • sdze 4y ago
          Try reading an eBook with rm2. Or a PDF (latex generated best, like some scientific article). Then you know what eye hurt is. Very faint, greyish text. In not so nicely lit rooms an absolute horrific reading sensation. Nothing like paper.
• jesterson 4y ago
  Myself and couple of friends have been considering it, but dropped due to aggressive and ridiculous "marketing" tactics. Perhaps it's a fine device, but no thanks. Good luck with subscription for connection. Settled with Huawei MatePad Paper and couldn't be happier.
  • geokon 4y ago
    Have you tried using a wireless keyboard with it? I was sort of considering getting one and using emacs through tmux. To do light programming and writing I feel the latency should be tolerable. Though I worry about how much the screen flickers/refreshes I'm using a Moaan Mix 7 and the constant screen refresh makes anything that's not entirely static a bit or a pain to look at. (Even a small "loading" spinner on screen forces a screen refresh every 10 seconds)
    • jesterson 4y ago
      No, I use it solely to read books and browse sites. They seem to use dynamic screen updates which adjusts to content, not sure how it will work in your case. I case youtube quite alright on it, however I may not call it pleasurable, if that helps.
      • geokon 4y ago
        yeah that does. sounds like it doesn't do a full screen black/white flicker. thanks!
• kelsolaar 4y ago
  Supernote A5X vs ReMarkable 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfK3YCXujxA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfK3YCXujxA
  • nunodonato 4y ago
    Supernote is awesome!!
• cyann 4y ago
  I wish Remarkable would release an Apple Silicon (arm64) version of their desktop companion app. I've got to keep an old Intel MacBook for these "legacy" apps, it's not ideal. It works in Rosetta, but I can't install Rosetta on my main machine. I use it for dev work and the only way I've found to ensure that I don't have x64 code sneaking in is to have Rosetta not installed.
• afandian 4y ago
  I've posted some negative stuff in this thread but I had some great fun hacking my rM1. https://blog.afandian.com/2020/10/pipes-and-paper-remarkable/ https://blog.afandian.com/2020/10/pipes-and-paper-remarkable... https://gitlab.com/afandian/pipes-and-paper/ https://gitlab.com/afandian/pipes-and-paper/ There's some quite good forks of that code too.
• rvz 4y ago
  reMarkable 2 is a scam. Not only the storage is so extremely limited, the team knows it and it is heavily reliant on you paying for a subscription for more storage. That and on top of the sneaky price increases as you purchase the product tells you that it is a great scam. The the full price of a new reMarkable 2 is $450 - $550+. The features doesn't justify the price at all, making it an overpriced scam. You might as well get an iPad Mini at this point and it does much more for that price range.
  • AmalgatedAmoeba 4y ago
    It’s got 6.41 GB of onboard storage. I’ve been using mine heavily for note taking, reading articles, and some pdf markup and still use less than 2 GB. I guess if you needed to work with a large number of media rich pdf, it could become a problem. But there are solutions. Either officially supported - dropbox et al. integration, or you can just ssh into the device and set up a syncing scheme of your liking. So I really cannot image what are you talking about.
    • ZiiS 4y ago
      It seems reasonable to ask on a $500+ device they could have slashed out $5 for a 32GB SD card.
      • AmalgatedAmoeba 4y ago
        Yea, the lack of expandability and locked down OS are totally anti consumer. Unfortunately, nowadays, that’s the norm and not a “scam.”
• nokya 4y ago
• debrice 4y ago
  Their purchase flow appears broken when using Brave Browser
• glenngillen 4y ago
  I went in circles for months trying to work out which device like this I should buy. Ultimately I decided on the Super Note by Ratta. The Kindle app is probably the thing that won me over in the end. But I’ve been incredibly happy with the purchase for a whole host of reasons ever since. Strongly recommend anyone who’s in the market for this also take a look at the Super Note.
• aanthracite 4y ago
  https://onyxboox.com/boox_maxlumi2 https://onyxboox.com/boox_maxlumi2
  • pantulis 4y ago
    Is this the only option for 13''? I am looking for something that can display sheet music to my poor eyesight.
    • geophertz 4y ago
      https://www.padformusician.com/ https://www.padformusician.com/
      • pantulis 4y ago
        I am not really sure, but I believe these are rebranded Boox Lumis.
    • ThrowawayR2 4y ago
      For 13" e-paper document readers, there's the Fujitsu Quaderno A4 or its predecessors, the Sony DPT-RP1 / DPT-S1. They are PDF only, since they were intended for professional use.
    • lhl 4y ago
      There's another Android 13" eink tablet I know of, the Bigme X6 but the Onyx Boox Max Lumi or Max Lumi 2 are both cheaper and should basically do the same thing (load any Android apps). The Fujitsu Quaderno A4 is an option too but it only supports loading PDFs and has no third party apps (w/o rooting it). The Dasung Paperlike 3 HD or Onyx Boox Mira are 13.3" monitor solutions as well, something to consider if you want to hook them up just as output to run w/ arbitrary software (both companies have 25" versions as well).
      • pantulis 4y ago
        Thanks for your answer!
• joachimma 4y ago
  I like me remarkable2, but the fact that any programming book containing source code, gets horrible formatting makes me a bit sad. I have installed koreader on it but it feels like I am one mis-click away from bricking it every time I update that.
• clnq 4y ago
  A lot of people are comparing reMarkable with other e-ink note taking tablets. But I think that it would be wise for anyone buying these things to also compare them with pen and paper. I only bought rm 2 for one reason - to cut down on paper waste as I was filling out the same forms every day. But over time of its use, I've started noticing more and more advantages of pen and paper. Advantages of pen and paper: - more size options, - a more natural feeling of writing, - cheaper for a long time, - easier to buy pens when they run out rather than replacement tips, - easy to archive, - no need to charge, - no writing latency, - no service subscriptions, - defects/bugs have been worked out centuries ago, - much better privacy: unless the e-ink tablet is forever air-gapped, but sometimes you need to connect it for one reason or another, - system updates do not break your workflow: like custom templates in rm2, - easily recyclable, at worst case - biodegradable, - probably more green to produce: although paper production causes a lot of emissions, the amount paper a person might use over the lifetime of an e-ink tablet seems to be not that much, - no kill switches: intentional or by way of a company ceasing support, - good ecosystem: easy to share, easy to write in different colours, with different pens, easy to print custom forms. On the other hand, there are some clear advantages of e-ink tablets: - compact to store notes: although paper can be too, if one does not take a very large amount of notes, - for heavy users, in the very long-run, digital storage costs less than paper and the storage space needed for it, - carrying a very large number of books and notes around is much easier. Overall, after using rm2 for about 6 months, I think it makes sense in niche scenarios when compared to plain old paper and a pen. But otherwise an e-ink note taking tablet could be more of a lifestyle choice than a practical one.
  • jeromenerf 4y ago
    > Advantages of pen and paper: - you can put many pages side by side - it works great with rulers - it can be thrown at the cat to play with
  • MayeulC 4y ago
    I've been using my rm1 for years without connecting it to the Internet, it works great as a replacement to my lab notebooks and flying sheets of paper.
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• rcarmo 4y ago
  With the previous models, I was not sold on something that required a separate cloud subscription to work. I know they recently "got that" and re-scoped their Connect cloud service, but I am still curious as to how well it works with a major cloud storage provider (OneDrive, Dropbox, etc.). If it still requires going through their servers in any way I'm sticking to an iPad...
• pkrumins 4y ago
  It’s missing infinite canvas and infinite zoom mode.
• huggingmouth 4y ago
  I bought a rm2 a while back but abandoned it when I discovered it had extremely weak security: no fde, a weak remotely-resettable 4 digit pin, no local file syncing (doesn't appear as a mass storage device when plugged in as a usb, doesnt support standard file transfer protocols), non-e2ee (!!) cloud syncing (their company can see my notes unencrypted). Now I use an android tablet that I locked down + synching and i couldn't be happier. The only thing I'm missing now is a good note taking app that writes my notes to a directory that can be synced with synching. Recent versions of android broke this for all apps except Google's Files app unfortunately.
  • exabrial 4y ago
    > weak security I think security is important, but unless you're going up against a state actor with physical access, I think this isn't a credible threat at this time.
    • mhitza 4y ago
      Or you know, their servers get hacked and everybody's notes are leaked. Or you get a nosie employee that just has raw access to your files. re2 has been on my radar for at least a year at this point, but given the lack of features, price point, and the not so ideal size for PDF reading I'm still on the lookout. It's a nice looking device, but not quite there yet.
    • throwuxiytayq 4y ago
      Have you really never had any of your data leaked and plastered all over the internet for all eternity? Of course it's a credible threat. Cloud service operators should finally get it into their heads that they can go E2EE or GTFO.
      • exabrial 4y ago
        better question: why does this device even need a cloud? Why does a Roomba need a cloud? Why does a smart lightswitch, a doorbell, or any other of these devices need a cloud? There is no reason. It's dumb. Sync over wifi to your computer and phone and use MDNS to discover them.
• Octabrain 4y ago
  The Remarkable 2 is a good device. I used one heavily for a few months, mainly for work related things but also personal stuff. So far so good. However, there are a few things I personally didn't like: 1. Battery life. Not bad, but I expected more from a eink device. I had to charge it every 1 or 2 weeks. I expected a battery life more similar to my Kindle Oasis which I charge once in a month. 2. The OCR was useless, at least in my case. (I have to admit I have a pretty messi handwritting) 3. The navegation across menus was frustrating sometimes. I had to tap hard several times for opening a folder. 4. The ebook/pdf reading capability was not a first class citizen. 5. The export of notes to files must be done one by one. (Not sure if still the case) Overall, a decent device. However, I have to admit I ended up selling it on eBay and buying a Samsung Tab S8+. I needed a more versatile device.
  • BossingAround 4y ago
    > 4. The ebook/pdf reading capability was not a first class citizen. I can't overstate how disappointing this is. It's an e-ink device that enables users to annotate PDFs. The fact that this is not a killer feature of RM2 is just missed potential.
• bartkappenburg 4y ago
  A friend of mine used the rm2 for a year and created a nice review on YT [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZyWD7-39XM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZyWD7-39XM
• eps 4y ago
  Nice. Lost me at subscription. (Edit, to clarify - not because of what it offers, but because the very existence of a subscription tends to create wrong incentives for the company so to try and push people onto them. Maybe not now, but this will happen. Guaranteed.) Also, I don't see a properly supported way to actually get docs to/from the device without a cloud service, theirs or someone else's. For example, [1] says Transferring files using a USB cable NB: This functionality is currently experimental, as we haven't fully implemented it yet. 1. Connect the reMarkable with a USB cable to your computer. 2. ... 3. ... 4. Open a browser window on your computer and enter the address 10.11.99.1. What the heck. They report their tablet as a network interface? And then use their app to configure it? Meaning that I can't get anything in or out the tablet if their app's not installed. If they will go bankrupt, the app will stop launching and you'll end up with a pretty precise-engineered dud. Worse yet, they'll get acquired and you'll be forced into a subsciption. No bueno. This thing needs proper support for being accessible as a mass storage device. The rest is secondary. [1] https://support.remarkable.com/s/article/Transferring-files-using-a-USB-cable https://support.remarkable.com/s/article/Transferring-files-...
  • davidroetzel 4y ago
    FWIW, there is a tiny webapp on the device that you access when you follow the instructions above. You do not need to install anything and it worked perfectly fine for me so far. Also, you can ssh into the device and even get root access. I have not tried it yet but I guess scp would work as well. Last but not least: They recently changed their subscription service in a big way, opening up a lot of features that were subscription-only before to all device owners: https://remarkable.com/blog/big-changes-are-coming-to-the-remarkable-ecosystem https://remarkable.com/blog/big-changes-are-coming-to-the-re...
    • marcus_holmes 4y ago
      The thing is basically a tiny Linux machine running a webserver and ssh. You can mess with it all you like (with the usual caveats about knowing what you're doing and risking bricking it). I've ssh'd into mine and it looks just like you'd expect. I didn't mess with anything (because I know that I don't know what I'm doing with it). I've also used the "email me a PDF of this page" function a couple of times and it works perfectly. I bought mine before the subscription kicked in, and got grandfathered in, so I can't comment on that.
• drcongo 4y ago
  There's no mention anywhere on that page of whether your drawings on the device are vector or not. Anyone know?
  • pornel 4y ago
    It exports as a high-res PNG. During editing it does behave like vectors a bit (e.g. if you select part of an object, it extends selection to the whole object instead of cutting it).
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  • epakai 4y ago
    It's a vector format. It's better documented here: https://plasma.ninja/blog/devices/remarkable/binary/format/2017/12/26/reMarkable-lines-file-format.html https://plasma.ninja/blog/devices/remarkable/binary/format/2... and there's a 3rd party API by the same author at https://github.com/ax3l/lines-are-beautiful https://github.com/ax3l/lines-are-beautiful The desktop app has the ability to export to SVG: https://support.remarkable.com/s/article/Exporting-files https://support.remarkable.com/s/article/Exporting-files
• jonwinstanley 4y ago
  A friend of mine uses a kid's writing tablet for taking notes. Search for "writing tablet for kids" to see the kind of thing I mean. It's great for taking notes without wasting paper, then for ones he wants to digitize, he takes a photo with his iPhone and lets iOS do the magic with OCR. For £10 it's actually not a bad alternative and quite nice to have on the desk, plus the battery lasts for months.
  • oulipo 4y ago
    Would be interesting to have someone do the actual computation of the CO2 / energy waste / etc of building this writing tablet and compare it with the number of paper sheets and pen that you have to use to offset it, just to know
    • jonwinstanley 4y ago
      Very true, plus presumably it gets shipped over from China too.
  • MrGilbert 4y ago
    I always wondered how hackable these devices are... Maybe it's time to have a look.
    • jonwinstanley 4y ago
      Yes I've no idea what's inside them. Presumably very few chips to last that long on battery.
      • SonOfLilit 4y ago
        I have and love one. I think it's 100% analog, and all chemical apart for a small current to erase it.
  • ChrisRR 4y ago
    I have one stuck to the fridge for making shopping lists. Apps are cool and all, but sometimes it's just easier to jot things down
• trentnix 4y ago
  I was considering one of these last year but one of the reviews I watched suggested the experience wasn’t as good if you are a lefty. The UI, according to them, was tuned for a right-handed writer’s experience and they frequently triggered buttons and menus accidentally. I would love to hear from any left-handed RM2 owners about their experiences and whether they experienced similar issues.
  • bobmichael 4y ago
    I'm a lefty with a Remarkable 2 that I've use almost daily for a year and a half, and I haven't had trouble with accidental button presses as long as I close the context menu when I'm writing. The toggle for the context menu is a dot on the top right corner of the page, so not easy to accidentally press as a lefty. I guess if you're using it for complex drawings where you need the context menu open to constantly erase, cut, and change thickness then it might be annoying, but for my use cases of journaling, note-taking, and the occasional diagram, I'm extremely satisfied.
  • paulcole 4y ago
    I’m a lefty and have used my RM2 every work day for the past year. Really changed how I work. If I had to choose between giving up my RM2 or giving up my work laptop and working on an iPad Pro, I’d figure out how to get my job done on the iPad. It’s that good for me. But my job is leadership/management, not coding so that obviously makes a difference. It took me about a day of frustration to figure out I could close the on-screen menu by tapping the dot in the upper-right hand corner. Then there was no more accidentally closing the file I was working on. My workflow now is 30 minutes at the start of each day planning on my RM2. I have a planning template I made and duplicate daily. Then I reference that day’s doc throughout the day and add new incoming info into it. I can move stuff from yesterday’s doc to today’s easily during my planning session if I need to. For hiring, I put PDF resumes and cover letters into a folder and mark those up as I prep for interviews. I do the same with articles I want to read. I sync everything w/ their desktop app. It doesn’t distract me like an iPad would and I get around 2 weeks on a charge if I keep the Wi-Fi turned off most of the time.
  • olivierestsage 4y ago
• SpaghettiX 4y ago
  I personally don't think writing text is useful now that we have keyboards. It's probably useful for math equations, diagrams/sketches (excalidraw), but I'm tempted to practice typing math equations (e.g. mathjax) and drawing with excalidraw. But reMarkable is black and white, so it doesn't suit this either. For a few years I used OneNote + Surface Pro to take handwritten notes, equations and drawings. It was a great writing experience. Then I wanted to share them with others. Or migrate them from One Note into something else. Or just export to PDF. I'll summarize that nothing worked well. I tried other apps too. An app that constraints your drawing to paper (A4) works better since it can export to PDF nicely. But the text is not searchable and so most people won't find it. That's why we don't see many hand written notes shared online? Im curious, what domain or job would you find this useful?
  • visarga 4y ago
    Scribbling, doodling, mind mapping, organising your tasks, brainstorming ideas, taking study notes. It's lighter than a laptop and feels more like a paper notepad than a tablet. The paper format gives more freedom, is less structured than an app.
  • dorchadas 4y ago
    I find handwriting a lot better than keyboards. The physical act of writing helps me remember stuff better than typing it, so it's especially useful during notetaking sessions. I also like reading pdfs on my Quaderno (another eink reader, A4 size so bigger than a remarkable), and it also allows me to easily annotate them as well. It's much better than an ereader for pdf due to size, and much less harsh on the eyes than, say, an iPad. And everything can be transferred via usb with their app. But, I just disagree with the first premise and that's why I find mine useful, though still not as useful as actual paper which is easier to flip through, etc.
  • olivierestsage 4y ago
    My experience is that handwriting is qualitatively different experience from typing, and has different cognitive effects (I think there is actually a fair bit of research corroborating this idea). I can type as fast as someone can speak, so I can create a perfect record of e.g. a meeting, but as I do so I'm on "autopilot" -- basically acting as a passive scribe, transmitting from voice to text without thinking about it at all. With handwriting, the limitations of the medium (speed, etc.) force one into an active synthesis of the material, which helps a lot with retention. A handwritten note becomes something I remember, and often don't even need as a note, because I remember it so well; something I jot down in my text editor becomes fodder for searches later on. It's just a different beast.
• nottorp 4y ago
  There are plenty other similar devices that don't push a subscription. Even Amazon launched one.
• donohoe 4y ago
  It lost me at the subscription level. I’m already moving my company off 1Password because of the subscription nature of it. I’m so very tired of this model.
• ilikerashers 4y ago
  Lots of hate but I really like mine: - Drag and drop PDFs from the browser to upload - Read a ton of books I wouldn't normally read (yes can do this on a kindle but it has a much bigger display) - Journaling with my own templates - Kids can scribble and play hangman etc on planes - Gets rid of the stacks of notebooks in my house - Has that wow factor when people/clients see it - Natural writing feel - Pretty robust (knocks around in my backpack) Really nice tech purchase. I got it before the subscription but paid more for it as a result.
• olav 4y ago
  I fell in love with it when I first saw it, but had to return it after discovering that it was barely usable for my eyesight without backlight. On the other hand, I love my Kindle, not for the closed ecosystem, but for the rather slick (compared with eg. the German Tolino) UX. I am afraid that the new Kindle with pen will be a killer for the ReMarkable 2, as much as I would have preferred a small company making the race.
• keyle 4y ago
  I bought one a few months ago and I definitely use it most days. Except I don't use it for note taking, I use it to think about what I'm doing tool: doodling essentially. Boxes, arrows, circles, words... Then the code virtually writes itself. It's like a code extractor or glasses for my mind. I'd say that honestly, a pen a paper would do the same. I just got into the marketing and bought one. It's nice to have erasing that leaves no traces, and undo/redo. As for the cons, I'd say the contrast isn't as good as I'd like it to be in low light. I don't work in a very bright environment, and the ceiling splashing reflection of light makes it sometimes hard to read PDFs/ePubs.
• SonOfLilit 4y ago
  I played with one yesterday. There was noticeable latency when writing. This means it won't replace paper for me. I carry a $10 "lcd writing tablet" in my backpack, it's like a small whiteboard with an erase button and really nice typography, and it there are no electronics involved in the painting process (only in erasing). I love it, though it only replaces a whiteboard, not a notebook.
• bricss 4y ago
  Moto -> I see a subscription, I rush to the exit door (c)
• tjoff 4y ago
  A lot of people understandably have gripes about the subscription. But it is optional, right? The old one you could (after some trickery I suppose) ssh tp the device and sync via rsync etc. For me that fits way better into my workflow even if their cloud solution was perfect and free for life. I will not consider an eink device of this type that I cannot ssh into.
  • MrJohz 4y ago
    I've been looking into this recently (I'm thinking of getting one, and the subscription had put me off previously). As far as I can tell, there was originally no subscription, then they introduced it, I think with the Remarkable 2, with a basic subscription offering infinite synced storage, and a higher tier subscription offering a bunch of additional features like screen share and handwriting recognition. They've done removed the higher tier subscription, and all of the additional features are available as standard with the device itself, no subscription required. The infinite storage, however, still requires a subscription, but only the basic tier (3€/month, I think). Tbh, it makes me lose a certain amount of trust in a company for trying that sort of "pay for extra features" thing out, but they've withdrawn most of it and I think the current approach is significantly more reasonable. And as you say, it's still a Linux device in the end, so you've got a lot more flexibility than you might on other devices.
  • A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
    I am looking at this as a person, who is intrigued, but who effectively is hesitant to lock myself into another long term relationship with a corporation. The opening page says: "Try reMarkable and Connect risk free. If you decide to return it, we offer a full refund within 100 days. After your 1-year free subscription ends, Connect costs $2.99/mo. Cancel anytime." This may be intentional, but this does not automatically alleviate my concerns. << I will not consider an eink device of this type that I cannot ssh into. Other posts suggest I can, but there is nothing indicating this on their landing page. I think it is safe to say, techies are not considered an important target demographic.
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• kylecordes 4y ago
  I really wanted to like the Remarkable. I saw people using them at a couple of conferences the idea seems so great. So I tried it. Twice, for a couple weeks each. Had a couple of other people borrow in between and try it. We all reached the same conclusion: Solid implementation of a great idea! ... but ... An additional object to carry? Nope. Get an iPad or a Surface Pro, if you need to both write/sketch and do other computing work. Carrying both a digital writing tablet and a separate general purpose device is very unappealing.
  • spaceman_2020 4y ago
    The iPad Pro is expensive, but with the pencil, it's far more versatile and can double up as an actual computer. I use it practically for all my note taking now. And it also doubles up as an entertainment device
  • cableshaft 4y ago
    I know a board game illustrator currently using a reMarkable 2 for drawing his illustrations. Those illustrations are being used in final versions of games. They look extremely detailed. Not sure if he'd get the same level of detail on an iPad or Surface Pro. He thinks it was worth the purchase for him. Also I think part of the appeal for this is you're not staring at a backlit screen like you would be with those devices.
    • sulam 4y ago
      Sorry, but have you looked at Procreate? There is absolutely no comparison to what you can do on an iPad. It’s basically a Wacom plus one of the high end art apps. Anything that you can do on a Remarkable can be done better on an iPad with respect to drawing, once you add a Paperlike to replicate the texture. I guess if you only did pencil sketches outside, the Remarkable would win.
      • cableshaft 4y ago
        I'm not the board game illustrator. My art skills aren't that great. I just see what he posts on Facebook in board game design/art groups. I suspect eye strain was a consideration he had in making his purchase, though. He did all-digital illustration before this point (and I'm sure he still does, this is just a tool in his toolchain. He can't add color to his drawings on the reMarkable, for example). This guy had at least one game sold in Wal-mart and quite a few successful Kickstarters with his artwork (looks like he's done art for about 40 games in the past three years, he's been busy), so it can be used professionally. This game in particular I know he did all the black-and-white versions using reMarkable, as he posted his in-progress pictures of it, on his device, on Facebook. You can see those versions in the video even, near the end of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4LOX55h-8Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4LOX55h-8Y
• augasur 4y ago
  Personally as a paper gperson, who loves to write on sheets any quick thoughts, TODO lists and anything that comes to my mind, it seemed a very good choice, but pricing now seems quite high. I have tried multiple online tools, but I do not like the feel. After reading multiple real user comments, I do not think I still want to buy it. Does anyone know any other good alternatives for paper notes? I see multiple people recommending cheap LCD panels, is there any cheaper or simpler e-paper note takers but with multiple notes features?
  • abduhl 4y ago
    I have had a Supernote A5X (https://supernote.com/ https://supernote.com/) for about 3 years now. It is good for someone focused on writing, it lacks a lot of the drawing/sketching capabilities and its cloud storage offerings are sparse. Both of these are pluses to me as I don’t sketch or back up to the cloud for security reasons. Unlike the Remarkable the pen nib does not need to be replaced regularly (mine is fine after extensive use for 3 years). The writing feel also differs from other e-paper writers and feels like a gel pen rather than a pencil.
    • wellthisisgreat 4y ago
      I am an extremely happy Supernote user too. have both A5X and A6X although A6X isn't seeing as much use. A5X is just perfect
• olivierestsage 4y ago
  Just adding my opinion to the fray: I love mine (purchased last month). Have been using it constantly -- much more than I expected, actually -- for marking up books, taking notes, etc. I am not paying for a cloud subscription and it works perfectly; no dark patterns or nags getting in the way of anything I do. The niche it's filled for me is that I have been fighting wrist pain/strain from writing with pencils etc. as a lefty, and this tablet "replaces paper" by offering a way to write handwritten notes without exerting pressure downward on the page to make a mark. In this thread, I'm seeming some mentions of Kindle Scribe alongside critiques of the optional reMarkable subscription system. Do you really think that thing will not funnel people to Amazon Prime... ?
• wellthisisgreat 4y ago
  Is this a new tablet? Or the same they had forever
• speed_spread 4y ago
  Is the Canadian version moose-proof? CDN price is about twice the US price when the exchange rate is currently only 1.3. Nope, Sorry.
  • kennend3 4y ago
    As a fellow Canadian i find this annoying as well. If i find something on amazon.com and check the price on amazon.ca and find that after using the FX rates there is a $50 or more difference? Some sort of "being in canada" tax? We are paid less and stuff costs more here?
• wslh 4y ago
  Have this device. I (wrongly) subscribed to the cloud service but never signed in because of security and privacy. Since this is a very personal device, not having strong security (e.g. your own repository as alternative) is top. The device is good for drawing and taking notes, IMHO is bulky. From the software perspective it lacks shape drawing tools and other ideas that came easy with a device like this. Battery duration is great because of the eink screen. This is an important feature but the device is expensive. I would say that battery duration is what is making a few devices different (M1/M2).
• Aachen 4y ago
  Since when do things cost 50% more in euros than in dollars? I've always treated it as 1:1 in my head for convenience, but 280 USD or 350 EUR is a major difference. (Edit: Internet says it should be €280.) Not sure if I'd use this device but it seems nice, and for 250 it's worth thinking about. For 350 it's not even a question.
  • fredestine 4y ago
    • delecti 4y ago
      I'd love to hear your definition of "woke". I'm not aware of any relationship between increased fossil fuel usage and normal definitions of "wokeness", which is usually used as a pejorative to describe people who care about other people's feelings and dignity.
      • vulcan01 4y ago
        The parent is referring to increased fuel usage and fuel dependency on Russia as a consequence of the environmentalist push against nuclear power (primarily in Germany).
  • n-i-m-a 4y ago
    Did you consider VAT in that €280?
    • Aachen 4y ago
      You don't pay VAT in the USA? I don't remember specific examples but usually prices of phones or such were just 1:1 even if the exchange rate was like .95
      • n-i-m-a 4y ago
        I never recall 1:1 pricing here in europe... everything was much more expensive. Whenever I could, I would ask relatives/friends from the US bring in things that I wanted.
• selykg 4y ago
  Their support is horrendous. I’ve written about my experience previously. It was a disaster. I would highly recommend avoiding them based on that experience alone. It took forever to get my return processed and they dropped the ball repeatedly and refused to help actually make things right after waiting a month for delivery of the return to them. I actually had to file a dispute to get my money back.
• mbreese 4y ago
  I don’t get it. Is there anything new announced? Because this is a 2 year old device, that judging from the comments a lot of us have. Am I missing something, or is this a PSA to remind people that the RM2 exists?
  • BossingAround 4y ago
    People love discussing RM2, so I suspect just a PSA. It's also a PSA that Boox exists :)
• chrisweekly 4y ago
  Love my rm2, use it for hours every day. But their stylus is overpriced and fragile. LAMY All-Star is a way better choice, 100% compatible, and has a programmable multifn button (hold to access eraser tool, doubletap to undo).
  • bakoo 4y ago
    Thanks for the tip!
• mikewarot 4y ago
  The video on their site[1] shows the pen lifting particles directly to the screen, which would be amazing, if true. I dug around for a while to find out how it works, expecting to find some very clever system for detecting the particles that have risen to the surface, etc... Instead it appears to be just another stylus/display system, with all the downsides that imposes. I could do much better getting a "pen" for my old HP convertable laptop if I wanted that. [1] https://youtu.be/SWY_bwFMxro?t=87 https://youtu.be/SWY_bwFMxro?t=87
• tuffacton 4y ago
  I bought one hoping to try it with the expectation I could return it using their 100-day guarantee. Ultimately decided the experience was too painful for my usual workflows in terms of reading and annotating my PDFs for grad school and work. Their return process was the most PAINFUL return experience I've ever had to go through. You have to specify exactly what you're returning from their online menus and they use a delivery service that takes weeks to make deliveries. If you selected the wrong options (maybe you picked "tablet + pen" instead of "tablet + pen + extra pen nibs") they will send it all the way back to you and instruct you to attempt another return. They finally accepted it after 4 attempts, including one attempt where I did everything correctly and they still sent it back. All this is to say, if you're looking to try the device with the expectation that you can use the return policy then be ready for a painful experience if you don't like it.
  • aaomidi 4y ago
    Honestly at that point I would’ve charged back through my cc.
  • Operyl 4y ago
    I had the same calculus, I bought it expecting to see if it would improve workflows, determined it didn't, and did the return. Didn't have this problem, remember the process being particularly easy honestly. Perhaps they revamped it since you or I did it? I returned mine in September of this year (before they announced the Connect changes, go figure).
    • tuffacton 4y ago
      Just went through my emails. This was all early 2021 so perhaps they’ve fixed the return process since then!
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• ChildOfChaos 4y ago
  The ReMarkable 2 tablet has been out of awhile and is a well known device, this post just links to the main homepage as far as I can see, what am I missing? Something new announced?
  • chatterhead 4y ago
    No. You're just watching modern advertising at work.
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  • AlanYx 4y ago
    This link is likely advertising, but they are on the verge of their 3.0 system software release which substantially adds to the functionality of the device. It goes from page-based notetaking to an optional infinite size canvas, and text boxes are now allowed that can be edited on desktop. Users in the beta stream already have the update.
• _hudj 4y ago
  This device is great....once it's hacked. If you just take the device on its own functions it is less powerful than it's competitors the supernote and the onyx tablets. It's had pretty bad customer relations due to paywalling a bunch of their features and then walking that back but the build quality is great. One thing that they did right by pure accident though is give users a root shell into a mostly standard Linux and the community has built tooling that turns this into the most functional of the tablets...but keep in mind this is at the lament of the remarkable team who would rather you use the device as intended. Supernote is the clear winner among the eink tablets if you use them as intended but many attempts to beg the supernote team to put shell access in have resulted in responses that are at best cautious and at worse condisending. Until supernote releases the a5x2 (and even then it remains to be seen) this is the best eink tablet ...once hacked that is
• ibdf 4y ago
  It would have been remarkable if this was out while I was in school.... carrying this around instead of a laptop and notebooks would have been much easier. I would imagine they would have ads targeting students... yes you can also accomplish the same with a tablet, but the limitations of this device seem be a pro and not a con... less distractions.
• integricho 4y ago
  what a bs, a subscription, seriously!? for a device to take notes!? it should just be sold as-is, a device, that you can use if you own it, what utter BS is this subscription model!?
  • probably_wrong 4y ago
    I came here to join the outrage, and while I'm definitely raising my eyebrows they are this close to having done it right. First, the subscription is not mandatory, and in fact you can use the cloud provider of your choice for free. And second, if you do want to make use of the online functions (kids nowadays love their cloud sync) it does make sense that they would charge for them. Space may be cheap nowadays, but it's not free. I personally would have preferred them to go the other way, presenting it "offline first" and then add "plus all of this extra features" afterwards, as it would save me having to cancel a service I don't want. But at least they do offer a working product without it, which is a rare feature nowadays.
• laserlight 4y ago
  Can someone educate me why not instead buy an iPad for $50 (18%) more? Currently 9th generation iPad lists at $329 and reMarkable 2 at $279. Both devices have similar form factor, except iPad is slightly heavier. Yet, iPad is infinitely more capable compared to a reMarkable 2.
  • swozey 4y ago
    > Yet, iPad is infinitely more capable compared to a reMarkable 2. I have a feeling this might be a big part of it. As in the users might want a distraction-free note taking solution. Beyond that my friends have told me its templates, ease of use and writing experience (the on screen feel) are great.
  • abyssin 4y ago
    The lack of features is a feature. The screen is good enough for focused reading, but too slow for anything more interactive in terms of consuming information. And the eink screen is more enjoyable to look at. ReMarkable is the reason why I have finally been able to go back to study as a dropout. It isn’t a perfect product, but it’s good enough and that’s huge. Retrospectively though, I think a laser printer might’ve been as cheap and efficient (given how buggy and slow everything related to synchronization is with the reMarkable).
    • BossingAround 4y ago
      The lack of features is a feature until you discover how much better the Boox experience is, where you can download apps for Safari Books, MS's One Note app, and even the default reader gets much better. To say that the lack of features is intentional is a bit disingenuous. It doesn't force you to focus, it just forces you to pick up your phone to get distracted.
      • abyssin 4y ago
        I’m sure it doesn’t affect everyone the same. But I know for sure it helps me stay focused. Maybe it helps that my phone has a small screen that isn’t comfortable to extensively read on. By the way in that situation I’ll often send the article to the reMarkable then realize I don’t care to read it once I see it on the eink screen, and go back to work.
• BossingAround 4y ago
  Before buying remarkable, compare remarkable to a BOOX device. I did just that and my conclusion was that remarkable is an overpriced piece of tech at risk of being abandoned. For example, just the reading software on BOOX is leaps and bounds ahead of Remarkable. Similarly, on BOOX, you've got Android, which opens up a number of possibilities, while remarkable uses Linux (which sounds awesome until you realize that nobody's going to custom-develop apps for a very niche device in a very niche ecosystem). Technically speaking though, this means that once abandoned, Remarkable will not be completely dead. A comment in a comparison video I'd recommend you watch [1] summed it up pretty nicely: " The Remarkable is remarkable for the amount of stuff it doesn't have." The only thing that Remarkable wins at is the actual writing experience (which you can top with a $30 fountain pen). I was seriously considering buying Remarkable. I've bought a BOOX Lumi instead, and it has been a great experience. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQp1o6qPj8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQp1o6qPj8
  • ThrowawayR2 4y ago
    The Remarkable is intended to primarily be a digital notebook and their advertising is very clear on that. It's not intended to run apps, it's not intended as e-book reader (though it has some limited capabilities), it doesn't have a browser, etc., nor do they intend to add such things. The parent is correct that people who are looking for those things should not be considering the Remarkable, but that is not a demerit of the device.
    • BossingAround 4y ago
      Essentially, what I'm claiming is that the only thing RM2 does better than a device like BOOX is that the writing feels better. It's not even better organized, the note app is not better in any way AFAICT, it just feels slightly more like paper. In other words, the RM2 marketing can dress this up as whatever it wants. In the current market, the only person who's better served by RM2 than by its competitors is a person that loves the feeling of writing on a paper and is willing to trade it for a number of features. You can have a BOOX full-on digital notebook as well.
  • vkazanov 4y ago
• gbraad 4y ago
  At the same time Boox launched their Ultra https://youtu.be/g69oMk2iIaw https://youtu.be/g69oMk2iIaw
  • BossingAround 4y ago
    Oh awesome, thank you for posting this. It's a bit disappointing that they still use Android 11.. I hope they're working on porting their devices to at least Android 12.
• adamrezich 4y ago
  would this be a good device to read tabletop RPG rulebook/scenario PDFs on? I'm in the market for such a device and this looks interesting
  • gs17 4y ago
    Yes, but I would recommend one of the Android based ereaders (e.g. Onyx Boox) so you can have apps. You might not use DnD Beyond, but it's still really good to have the option for other things.
    • adamrezich 4y ago
      appreciate the advice, and I'm sure Beyond is much better than it was back in the 4E days but I'm actually playing Call of Cthulhu now, so I might give this thing a shot EDIT: nevermind, I now see that the "$279" price tag is not at all what you're actually going to be paying for this product. going to have to think about it a bit more.
• boesboes 4y ago
  Not sure why this pops up now, nothing new afaik, but I'll take this as a chance to leave a quick review ;) I bought one during the kickstarter, mostly for note taking; but also as a ereader & perhaps drawing tool. - For note taking: I prefer a simple paper notebook, as my notes are more procedural. I don't really look back often. It's fine. Just not better then paper for note taking imo. - As a e-reader, it is absolute dog shit. period. - If you are not artistic, this will not change that - The subscription model is terrible, I've cancelled my 'grandfathered' account and tried to sell my rm2 over it. - Currently using it as exceedingly expensive notepad, no cloud crap etc. - Battery life is kinda meh, either you have it go to standby and have to wait a few second to use it. Or it is constantly empty when you want to use it. Not the eInk experience I had expected. You can install custom software, as it is not locked down, that might solve some of these issues. I haven't tried. For me, this is just a notepad. And not a great one at that. I use it mainly because I paid for it tbh. I have several friend that have one too and enjoy it much more, but this how I experienced it, ymmv obviously.
  • zaphar 4y ago
    My review is complete opposite of yours. I also prefer the notepad style of note taking but the remarkable means that my notes are available on my phone or computer whenever I need it. It is the first note taking tablet I've used that actually feels like I'm writing on paper. It's writing and drawing latency is fantastic and the matte surface with the pen replicates the feel better than anything else I've tried. As an e-reader for general reading it may not shine but when I'm reading a PDF for research and need to underline/mark it up as a part of my study it's fantastic. I find the battery life to be excellent and I don't mind occasionally starting it back up. It sounds like the remarkable doesn't really fit your way of working but it absolutely fits mine.
    • agentcoops 4y ago
      I share your review 1000x. I pretty much exclusively read PDFs, mostly OCRd but sometimes not. reMarkable is the only ereader I’ve ever found usable. I do agree that the subscription model feels tacked on, but there’s good tooling otherwise (I don’t use the cloud service myself). I highly recommend it as an ereader if you want one predominantly for research, actively taking notes on your documents at home and on-the-go while wanting to sync that with your PC note apparatus.
• thih9 4y ago
  (2020) > Second generation reMarkable 2 was announced on March 17, 2020 (…) and sold in batches since mid-2020 for 458 €/US$ including the pen. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remarkable_(tablet) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remarkable_(tablet)
• ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
  Not very good. A much much better option is the Supernote a5x https://supernote.com/products/supernote https://supernote.com/products/supernote Remarkable just has a much larger marketing budget.
• raffraffraff 4y ago
  I got one. I never use it. I have an expensive tablet and I rarely use it either (a phone works better for most web browsing because the tablet is too clunky to carry around, but I do use it to watch udemy videos when I'm using my laptop to take notes or work through examples). You see, it turns out, I love keyboards and track pads and mice! I imagined that I'd find it far easier to do diagrams and mind maps in the Rm2. And it's true that it's much easier to draw on a device designed for drawing. But it also turns out, I rarely have to do that, and this thing is shit for basically everything else. If I remember that I've got one of these sitting in a drawer, it's nearly always dead. And if I remembered to charge it and I can actually draw something, the drawing is hard to use. Like, I can't just pick up the rm2, do a sketch and have it quickly embedded in a document. It's clunky as fuck, even if you root the thing, get ssh and all sorts of other sync stuff set up. The rm2 let's you make pointless sketches and hand drawn notes that can't be used easily outside the device. It's good for nothing else. And I'm willing to bet that that's not enough for most people. If you want pencil and paper, save yourself a shitload of money and just buy a pencil and some paper. Edit: one thing I was kinda interested in was using it as a terminal - there's an app for this but it's too much hassle to set up for the novelty of a paper-like terminal (with no colours!)
• ngneer 4y ago
  I had reviewed this before, but went for ONYX instead and never looked back. Having a general purpose machine has served me really well on countless occasions including various unforeseen use cases. I think reMarkable is branding away their lack of good software integration as "distraction free" but the reality is it is very easy to use ONYX without distraction.
• ThouYS 4y ago
  If only they weren't in the business of screwing their customers...
• stall84 4y ago
  Studies have shown a British accent can sell future paperweights for around $500 remarkably well
• iammjm 4y ago
  I bought RM2 last year and sent it back within 2 weeks. It is just a way too isolated experience for me - next to no connectivity sold as a “feature”. Instead I went with a Android-based Boox e-ink tablet, which allows me to run OneNote, Edge and OneDrive on it. All the connectivity with a similar writing and reading feel as RM2. Plus, RM2 also charges monthly for their subpar Cloud services.., I cannot recommend RM2
  • dihydro 4y ago
    They just lowered the cost of the cloud features and added more to the free tier. As someone who struggles with focus, the exact negative you cite is a positive to me. Reading a PDF and marking it right on the device, or reading a physical document and taking notes is great. It is also very nice for me during meetings and conferences. I find that my recollection is better by writing than by typing, with a much more "in the moment" focus.
• petesergeant 4y ago
  Bought this for my wife, and she absolutely loves it for taking notes
• fumar 4y ago
  I never picked up a reMarkable because its DPI is ~220. The Kindle Scribe solves this with 300 DPI.
• jhoward321 4y ago
  Honestly I've loved mine, but its definitely not for everyone. The standard software is pretty lacking, and the cloud features are meh. If you're willing to apply the DDVK patches, and an additional launcher it becomes a joy to use. Koreader for reading, regular software for writing is a joy. Oxide is a great launcher for easily switching apps. You can setup syncthing via ssh. The hardware is great, and having ssh access was what sold me on it.
• pklausler 4y ago
  I got an rM 2 via pre-order and it was in my dead tech drawer after only a few weeks. The writing experience was inferior to my usual fountain pen and good paper, and the PDF reader couldn't handle the one document that I need to search in daily. So, meh. Sometimes a product can be pretty close to realizing an exciting idea only to reveal that the idea wasn't all that great in the first place.
• bnert 4y ago
  Just bought one, and it is a great piece of kit. It is limited in a very intentional and intuitive way. Only downside is the screen can be inaccurate at time, but that is a small thing which doesn't detract from its usefulness.
• bilirubin 4y ago