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3x new books added to the Pirate Library Mirror
- throwaway3b03 4y agoInterestingly enough, there are a lot of books on archive.org that are not on LibGen, usually high quality scans. That's another source that should be mirrored, given the legal trouble surrounding archive.
- user3939382 4y agoI’ve found that the archive.org OCR generates epubs that might work for an emergency but can’t be read for leisure because of all the errors. The formatting is also often off. Libgen books don’t have that issue.
- atlgator 4y agoAnyone know what format the books are in?
- dredmorbius 4y agoBased on what's on ZLibrary and LibGen: various formats, though principally PDF, ePub, and DJVU (similar to PDF), with significant additional instances of Mobi (Kindle), FB2, RTF, DOCX, DOC, and a few others to a lesser extent. Most ebook readers (with the exception of Amazon's own Kindle reader) can read virtually all of these, though some will require additional extensions. E.g., FB Reader <https://fbreader.org/ https://fbreader.org/>, PocketBook Reader <http://reader.pocketbook.digital/eng http://reader.pocketbook.digital/eng>, Onyx's Neoreader (BOOX) <https://onyxboox.com/ https://onyxboox.com/> ... no indepedent download AFAIU, KOReader (Kobo)<https://www.kobo.com/us/en/p/apps https://www.kobo.com/us/en/p/apps>, Moon+ Reader, etc. Many of these are designed for tablets or e-ink devices, though you'll also find desktop/laptop versions of some software (e.g., FBReader). F-Droid ebook readers: <https://search.f-droid.org/?q=ebook+reader&lang=en https://search.f-droid.org/?q=ebook+reader&lang=en>
- digitalengineer 4y agoFor the lazy, this is a blog article. As they say themselves: “ We only host our own words here. No torrents or other copyrighted files are hosted or linked here. If you want to access the Pirate Library Mirror, you'll have to find it yourself”.
- ur-whale 4y agoHow hard is it to type "library genesis" in Google?
- swarnie 4y agoAre you arguing against the use of links? Have we really gone that far?
- Double_a_92 4y agoThat's not even the thing that was talked about in the blog...
- alpineidyll3 4y agoIt boggles my mind that people can only mention that this resource is illegal without pointing out it's the best library humanity has ever made. It has been the goal of the Google cofounders, Carnegie, and great civilizations since antiquity to make something like this. Are people's thoughts really so moulded by their surroundings, that they cannot recognize a wonder in front of them?
- tene80i 4y agoIn the name of that ideal, would you be willing for your work to be given away for free and for your income to vanish?
- HideousKojima 4y agoYes? I'm working on an indie game in my spare time and I intend to upload it to the pirate bay myself.
- tene80i 4y agoThat’s your spare time. I’m talking about people’s jobs. Would you sacrifice your primary income so that people could enjoy your work for free?
- bheadmaster 4y agoNot the person you asked, but if my primary income was dependent on people not being free, I'd change my primary income.
- tene80i 4y agoYou think books having a cost is a restriction of your freedom? Why? And why books, but not your work?
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- jupp0r 4y agoAlways saddens me when people who take the >2000 year old concept of a library into the digital age have to do so in the shadows, oftentimes under threat of persecution. Why can't everybody legally share and spread knowledge as they please? Google Books was 90% there, I wish it would have been allowed to succeed.
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- RomanPushkin 4y agoAuthor here. One of my books was pirated and wide spread some time ago within the community I'm in. My income dropped almost immediately, I am loosing $Xk worth of sales every month. Not motivated to write another book. The question is - why should you have a right to spread _my work_ for free? I spent almost 2 years on writing the book. I hope you have a good answer.
- mod 4y agoI don't have an answer to your question, but how do you feel about traditional libraries sharing your work for free?
- cavalierfrix 4y agoIn your library example, the author is still paid by the library system for their work.
- josephcsible 4y agoIn both this and a traditional library, one person buys the book and then a bunch of people read it for free. What are you saying is the difference between those scenarios?
- suriyaG 4y agoIt is not possible for a single physical book to be read by hundreds of thousands of people, concurrently. an ebook enables this. I think a more apt example is, if the library started printing the books and giving it out themselves.
- nathell 4y agoThere are ways we as a society could endorse these kinds of libraries while also keeping authors incentivized. Here’s how I see it: https://blog.danieljanus.pl/2022/09/24/paying-for-books/ https://blog.danieljanus.pl/2022/09/24/paying-for-books/
- riedel 4y agoI like the way Bandcamp works (don't want to talk about the business model of their new owner, just about the service they offer in general): bandcamp nags me to pay after spending a decent amount of time on sth. I could use an alternative client app and never pay, but I do not. I love digital libraries for the fact that I am able to quickly look into a book without going through some tiresome payment and DRM stages only to discover that I wasted money. Also I like that I can buy hardcopies (even limited ones) . Further I can support creatoes with subscriptions. To add to that Bandcamp triggered quite a few archiving efforts and releases of remastered obscure music. Artists like atom TM are releasing there whole back catalogue easily accessible...
- sylvainr65 4y agoI really like the Amazon Prime model: author are payed depending on the number of pages read. They get something like $4 to $5 per 1000 pages read.
- justsomehnguy 4y agoAmusing, never heard of it. And quite honest IMO.
- poofmagicdragon 4y agoMain site: http://pilimi.org/ http://pilimi.org/ Torrents can be obtained via their onion site: http://2urmf2mk2dhmz4km522u4yfy2ynbzkbejf2cvmpcbzhpffvcuksrz6ad.onion/zlib-downloads.html http://2urmf2mk2dhmz4km522u4yfy2ynbzkbejf2cvmpcbzhpffvcuksrz... (requires Tor to follow link) Using onion.ws proxy: http://2urmf2mk2dhmz4km522u4yfy2ynbzkbejf2cvmpcbzhpffvcuksrz6ad.onion.ws/zlib-downloads.html http://2urmf2mk2dhmz4km522u4yfy2ynbzkbejf2cvmpcbzhpffvcuksrz... (doesn't require Tor)
- mmastrac 4y agoHow does one actually download this many torrent files? It feels quite difficult to do.
- yaddaor 4y agoThat's just about 80. Any client can handle that. Use a watch directory or a client that allows to add *.torrent or drag them all to a GUI and hold down Enter or sumthin ;-)
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- mike_d 4y agoMany Linux command line torrent clients can be told to load "*.torrent"
- SSLy 4y agoqBittorrent can handle at least 1500 torrents fine, try that. Source? My desktop instance seeding right now.
- jeroenhd 4y agoI wonder why these services don't generate vanity TOR domains. I can generate about 21 TOR addresses beginning with "zlib" per second and it would make bookmarks so much more recognisable if they weren't completely random. I know relying on names to recognise onion addresses is unsafe, but so is following random links. Why not add at least a little recognisability to the official URL?
- melvyn2 4y agoso are they going to contribute them back to libgen?
- mohamez 4y agoThere exist at least on entity that will bulk upload them to Libgen.
- yaddaor 4y agoWhy is this not distributed in a more private (onion routed, I2P, retroshare,...) way and in a way that can automatically sync?
- habibur 4y ago> We do not link to the Pirate Library Mirror from this blog. Please find it yourself. Good. That's why their site has survived this far.
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- O__________O 4y agoFAQ for the related project: http://pilimi.org/faq.html http://pilimi.org/faq.html
- tomerbd 4y agoWhat would I do without zlibrary this project is awesome
- system2 4y agoMixed feelings about this. I want to have access to millions of books and I also support archiving information this way. 20 years ago I would be drooling over this. But now, I think about those writers who spent countless hours creating their masterpieces and their stolen work.
- visarga 4y agoDownload only for sampling, buy for serious use.
- UncleEntity 4y agoEspecially the dead authors who’s great-grandchildren might have to go four years instead of three between trading in the Mercedes. Keeps me up at night…
- vorpalhex 4y agoI buy a lot of books, skip the kindle download and just dump the epubs in my sync service.
- coffeefirst 4y agoIf you’re going to participate in this, please buy books and encourage others to do the same.
- breck 4y agoIt's too bad they are only accepting donations in BTC, and not NEAR coin as well.
- brettermeier 4y agoLol NEAR coin???
- breck 4y agoYes is it bad? What's wrong with it? I'm sort of a crypto Noob but have been really enjoying it.
- detritus 4y agoHow does one 'enjoy' a computational currency system?
- breck 4y agoEvery time I pay one of my contractors with NEAR the first time they get a smile on their face they can't believe how fast and simple it is [after a not so simple —but not too diicult—setup of course]. It's like earning your first dollar bill. Feels a little magical. (I'm paying people in India, Pakistan, Phillipines, Yemen, UK, Germany, all over USA, Canada, etc)
- milkoolong 4y agoThe same way many empires fell to obsoletion were their inability or lack of foresight to adapt from Blockbuster to Borders to Toys R Us. Music streaming and Cable TV too. Authors should shift to paid newsletters and drip content over time. Imagine a book with 250 pages would keep your subscription going for a year or two while you work on the next. And once you're about ready to launch the next book, you can compile the "old" content to physical book for a flash sale. Ofc lack of distribution channel and exposure might hurt sales. OTOH, you'd likely see more profit than publishing it whole unless there's a marketing / branding / political advantage.
- screye 4y agoThe manga model ? I'm not sure I like that idea. The best books are edited over multiple times after completion. I like it as a way for the most hard-core fans to track a work in progress. But not weekly progress as canonical record of the book actually was.
- cercatrova 4y agoManga writers and artists often redraw or rewrite major portions even after initial online publication. For example, One Punch Man comes to mind which has many redrawn chapters published online before the artist puts it down on printed manga.
- dageshi 4y agoYour model exists, it's called royalroad.com coupled with patreon and kindle unlimited. But it's fairly genre specific to Fantasy. But, it's not a model that really supports high standards, you get typo's, grammar errors, bad prose and quite a lot of filler pages due to the pressure of maintaining the 5 x 1500+ words per week many of the most popular authors work too.
- 411111111111111 4y agoIt's not specific to rrl, it's pretty much what webnovels are - it's the same at the other platforms too. And there are also some really successful writers that just do it on their own pages. There is also another source of revenue for them you've omitted: Amazon unlimited. But besides that I think you're overstating the quality issues. Most successful webnovel authors write really well and have proofreaders before the chapters get released to the general public. Sure, there are extremely bad works too, but they're not really getting money either.
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- synergy20 4y agothe technical book writing no longer makes financial sense to me these days, unless you wrote them to become well known domain expert and possibly get more leads for future profit, and you don't care about how much you can make directly from the books sale. I think a viable approach is: 1. publish your book in e-format, it will be pirated but only those who paid will get continuous update such as new contents added, errata fixes etc easily and regularly. 2. offer a print-on-demand service for those who prefers to have a printed version. 3. offer a pay-me-later link to those who read it without pay(e.g. pirated version), later realize your writing indeed helped them so much to the point they want to "tip" you for a sense of rightness.
- randomcatuser 4y agoThis reminds me of serialized novels (new content every month?). Maybe that'll be the way, in the future!
- sealeck 4y agoThat's effectively a substack rather than a book though, and incentivises unfortunate habits (only providing morsels of information in each installment to encourage people to buy more, and dragging the book out).
- walterbell 4y agoA proven approach is Michael Hartl's (@mhartl) Rails tutorial, which has grossed multiple six figures with the entire content free to read online, plus upgrades for DRM-free PDF, videos and print. That's well more than 10X the average return on technical books.
- joak 4y agoI understand that books needs to be financed but why should we deprive the poorest from accessing culture knowing that marginal cost of ebooks is zero. We should incentivize reading books not making it harder or more expensive. - E-books should be free and of easy access. - Writers and editors should be paid according to the popularity of their work. The proposals are not incompatible.
- daptaq 4y agoCan you elaborate? E.g., > - Writers and editors should be paid according to the popularity of their work. By whom?
- GeoAtreides 4y agoNot OP, but their suggestions, ebooks free AND paid according to the popularity, are already implemented and working excellently on royalroad. All stories on royalroad are free and some popular authors make over $10000 a month from patreon donations.
- daptaq 4y agoOK, but is that viable on a large scale or will only the top 1%-10% be able to make a living. Though to be fair, the current situation probably isn't much better.
- GeoAtreides 4y agoYes, that's how it works in content creation, from trad to self publish, from youtube to onlyfans: only the top percent makes a living out of it.
- iLoveOncall 4y agoAds. "This paragraph is sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends! Join the fight hero." /s
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- mhb 4y agoWe're not doing this for money, but we would love to quit our jobs in finance and tech, and work on this full time. Are they actually being paid for work in finance and tech? Can that be open sourced? In the name of ethical purity, will they only be accepting funds from work that is arranging physical objects like laying bricks, plumbing, carpentry, etc.?
- svnpenn 4y agoNext time you want to argue in bad faith, maybe don't be so blatant about it? https://wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
- mhb 4y agoYeah. I don't think so. They want the information that others have created to be free - whee... But they're 1) being paid for their non-physical, presumably proprietary, creative efforts and 2) think people should pay them (but I guess not from funds derived based on the protection of IP) so they can pursue some different intellectual pursuit.
- Ensorceled 4y agoIt's actually the "Tu Quoque" fallacy (or the hypocrisy fallacy). But it is ironic, at least, that the organization is asking for money ...
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- fortran77 4y agoWhy does Hacker News like to support some industries, like Electric Cars, and Rust, and Nuclear Fusion, and wants to destroy others like the ability for people to make money writing books?
- xigoi 4y agoBecause climate change is bad for society and universal access to information is good for society.
- absolutelynobo 4y agoThe best way to succeed in a world already dominated is to adopt the strategy maximally confusing to the incumbents.
- INeedMoreRam 4y agoIf some people want to pay for books (and they do) then they will. If they don't want to pay (and some don't) then they won't. My vote is for freeing as much information as possible so people can have options at their fingertips without draining their bank accounts.
- dredmorbius 4y agoIt's a quite the foundational notion within the field, actually: Bush: <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1945/07/as-we-may-think/303881/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1945/07/as-we-m...> (Archive: <https://web.archive.org/web/20120819084741/https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1945/07/as-we-may-think/303881/ https://web.archive.org/web/20120819084741/https://www.theat...>) Otlet: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mundaneum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mundaneum> <https://web.archive.org/web/20051227195507/http://people.lis.uiuc.edu/~wrayward/otlet/otletpage.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20051227195507/http://people.lis...> Wells: <https://archive.org/details/worldbrain00wells https://archive.org/details/worldbrain00wells>
- googlryas 4y agoI wonder how many people who support piracy ever did anything in their lives worth pirating?
- frontman1988 4y agoWhile this effort is hugely appreciated someone needs to make an open source alternative to Zlibrary where books can be freely searched without rate limitation. Right now I don't know how to even download and sort through 31TB of this data.
- visarga 4y agoShould be added to the LAION dataset. They already have lots of books.
- xanaxagoras 4y agoThe first torrent has a 2gb SQL database called index
- Double_a_92 4y agoThis torrent is not really meant for endusers. It's just there to preserve the data. As a user LibGen will most likely have anything you need anyway, or the rate limitation shouldn't really be an issue.
- fernly 4y agoWithout a lot of difficulty I was able to find the actual mirror site[0] but it consists only of a long list of torrent files with uniform names. How would one find a given book in all that? Well, per the FAQ, "You can search the SQL file in the first torrent after loading it into a MySQL database. Keep in mind that our goal here is not to make it easy to access the data, but to make the long-term preservation easy." [0] oh no, that would spoil the fun
- fernly 4y agoI should add that the Pirate Mirror FAQ continues, "If you just want to search the Z-Library for personal use, then just go to the Z-Library website." Which I did and was amazed to find a polished, easily-searchable collection of 11 million books. Including one of my own.
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- bloaf 4y agoSo on the subject of library science, I think a really valuable use for machine learning would be the automatic derivation of classifications in systems like UDC [0]. That would open the door to easier traversal of this absolutely massive dataset. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Decimal_Classification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Decimal_Classificati...
- sanroot99 4y agoGood now we can train AI on these.
- laichzeit0 4y agoHow is this any different than buying a second hand book (which I assume no one has a problem with)? The author doesn’t see a single dime from a second hand purchase.
- auggierose 4y agoIf you cannot see how that is different, you probably shouldn't be doing anything math or computer science related.
- laichzeit0 4y agoElaborate.
- Double_a_92 4y agoSecond hand books aren't easily and freely available to you in a matter of seconds.
- laichzeit0 4y agoSo one of the features of books is that they are not freely and easily available. How is that a desirable quality?
- flakeoil 4y agoIf no book is sold in the first place I suppose long term no books will be written. At least not that many.
- trabant00 4y agoSecond hand books already generated revenue for the author as first hand purchases. This is completely different.
- drivebycomment 4y agoA slightly off-topic but still relevant - the app Libby is currently as close to that ideal library of everything for free. You have access to vast amount of books, especially most of the recently published ones (and some popular older ones that have digital versions published) and available for free, at your fingertip. Since I have started reading books through Libby, I read a lot more books, and started collecting more library cards :) Surprisingly few people seem to know about Libby. If you haven't installed one, you really should. And I am surprised there's no mention of Libby in HN when the topic is about books and its availability.
- roryokane 4y agoLink to the app’s website: https://www.overdrive.com/apps/libby https://www.overdrive.com/apps/libby
- Double_a_92 4y agoIs there a reason why those extra books can't be contributed back to Libgen, instead of starting a separate torrent?
- pilimi_anna 4y agoSee the FAQ on pilimi.org
- winReInstall 4y agoPatens need a exponential tax, so its only worth to cling to those worthy. First year is free, 2nd year is 1000 $, third year 1000 ^ 2$, etc. Research Endavours that do not bring in the money have to be funded and spearheaded by government programs (as they often are already).
- pxeger1 4y agoWhat do patents have to do with this post about pirated books?
- solarized 4y agoWhy dont we pay just 1 $ or less for every published books. 1$ * 1 mio reader. that 1 million $. make the payment channel as easiest as possible. all in the digital format. if readers wanted the printed version, they just go to nearby printing services. share the income between readers, authors, and publishers. rather than listed hundreds dollar pricing in amazon. but author just get 10 or 100 buyer. After that the books also ended in the "pirate worlds".