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Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus

140 points by clairity 4y ago

scrlk 4y ago
The SOS and location tracking via satellite is a pretty neat feature. Free for the first 2 years - no details on pricing after that.
- yreg 4y ago
  And sadly North America only.
  - alwillis 4y ago
    For now. I’m sure it’s on the roadmap everywhere it’s allowed.
    - yreg 4y ago
      I wonder what will be the rollout order. I guess I would most like to have this in the countries that are usually the last to receive Apple feature support.
      - Analemma_ 4y ago
        It's not a pure software feature and seems like it needs tons of "boots on the ground" support in terms of cooperation from local emergency services. So I'm guessing it will be first/only in developed countries with high state capacity.
  - kylehotchkiss 4y ago
    There’s a handful of countries where you’ll be arrested if caught with a satellite communications device so keeping it NA only is probably just as much apple trying to not present this as trying to force the feature on the world (yet)
    - gregsadetsky 4y ago
      Wow. I didn't know this. Makes (tragic) sense from a censorship perspective, obviously. https://blog.telestial.com/2017/11/countries-where-satellite-phones-banned-or-restricted/ https://blog.telestial.com/2017/11/countries-where-satellite...
- nabaraz 4y ago
  I believe T-mobile and SpaceX is free for all Tmobile customers.
  - dmitrygr 4y ago
    Yup, same year as tesla FSD ships and can actually avoid small kids and stationary objects, I hear.
    - ehPReth 4y ago
      Right after the Cybertruck :P
    - fakethenews2022 4y ago
      You do know that over 100K people have the beta? If people want it now in the US, they can just sign up for the beta. I know several people who did that and got it. It isn't a high bar. In heavily tested locations (West Coast), it has gotten to the point that it seems to pretty much work.
      - Rebelgecko 4y ago
        How do I sign up? Their website gives the impression it's not available until next year.
        fakethenews2022 4y ago
        From your Tesla.
        Rebelgecko 4y ago
        I don't have one. If there's 100k people in the beta, do you have a link to reviews or anything? I'm curious how well it works, compared to Apple's version where you apparently have to wave your phone in the air a certain way. Maybe with LEO receivers that isn't necessary?
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- rdtwo 4y ago
  Neat but the phone isn’t super robust. I’d hate to have to rely on it in extreme emergencies. A dedicated tracker is better as it can survive in cold and other serious conditions. That being said you are more likely to have the phone on you which is a big deal
  - DonaldPShimoda 4y ago
    They definitely marketed it as a tool for situations when you're not expecting to need it. Like, they were pretty clear about how it would be slower and very limited compared to dedicated satellite telephony devices.
  - sixstringtheory 4y ago
    I’ve found it to be pretty robust. I’ve taken the same phone on winter climbs in interior Alaska and summer floats, one of which I had to unstick a raft from a rock while water poured over me for about 30 minutes while it was in a pocket in my PFD. It’s held up just fine. The only thing is battery life. Especially in the cold, but that’s not an Apple thing, that’s an electronics thing. But you keep it in an internal pocket where body heat can keep it warm and turn off all the radios, or even the phone itself while not in use, and it can last a long time. I can now trade out my garmin inreach for a portable battery (which I already carry every trip yet never needed so far).
  - travisjungroth 4y ago
    It's like the camera. The best emergency GPS tracker is the one you have with you.
    - nharada 4y ago
      Not to mention this is a nice backup for if I accidentally break my InReach or the battery fails or something.
  - grouchomarx 4y ago
    For the three-odd backpacking trips I take a year, it's perfect.
- spuz 4y ago
  I really hope they still allow you to use it even if you haven't paid the subscription. It's a tool for emergencies so by definition you need it only when you don't expect to need it. It would be a shame to lock people out from something that could have saved their life just because they haven't paid the $x.99 per year service. In theory they could always back-charge users who are not subscribed but even then that could discourage people from using it in a dangerous situation.
  - baron816 4y ago
    Yes. Charge $20 per use instead of a subscription. $50 or whatever they want. Just don’t make people sign up for a subscription.
    - smileybarry 4y ago
      I get what you mean but I really hope it doesn’t make the Apple Pay chime in that case, heh.
    - travisjungroth 4y ago
      I think the amount you'd have to charge to not have a massive decrease in revenue would make Apple look like monsters. Human brains really aren't good at valuing rare events. Here's a possible scenario. I'm sure it's wildly off from reality, but maybe reality has the same properties. Each month, 1 in 10,000 users call in [1]. For the same revenue you can charge: $1 per user per month $10,000 per use One of those, people will hate you for. Charging $100 per use would slash your revenue by 99%. May as well make it free. I actually think that would be the way to go and maybe they'll do it some day. [1] If that seems wildly low, remember it's per month and getting lost in the wilderness is pretty rare for the average person.
  - bryceacc 4y ago
    would be nice, but garmin inReach is very specific in their wording to make sure you know that if you don't have an active subscription, your SOS call will NOT work. Subscription is the standard now so doubt apple would do differently. I was genuinely surprised by the 2 years free though. Garmin inReach mini is a $350 device with 0 free function out of the box without the subscription
- runjake 4y ago
  My guess is that they'll do this ongoing. So, you buy an iPhone 15 and you'll get 2 years complimentary, and so on.
Ancapistani 4y ago
Of course they announce it today - I finally upgraded my iPhone X to a 13 Pro Max over the weekend :)
- kasperni 4y ago
  Apple releasing new iPhones in September is probably the world's worst kept secret.
- martinky24 4y ago
  It was pretty well understood that they were announcing a new iPhone today with a little bit of research! It's a well followed pattern at this point.
- lathiat 4y ago
  Next time you plan to buy an Apple product, check the macrumours buyers guide which estimates where in the product lifecycle it is and whether it’s a good time to buy it or not. https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/
  - zeckalpha 4y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
- olliecornelia 4y ago
  You have 14 days to return it.
  - thisismyusrname 4y ago
    30 days after a new product announcement I believe as well
  - Ancapistani 4y ago
    Nah. My net cost is only $200, and I'll probably keep it for 3-5 years like I did my X. I really only wanted the larger, brighter screen and much better battery life.
bamboozled 4y ago
What are the benefits over iPhone 13 for people outside the US who can’t use the satellite feature ? Think I’ll just get a 13 on sale
- xattt 4y ago
  13 mini would sound like a bargain!
  - rcarr 4y ago
    Have they even dropped the price? They're £649 for the base model in the UK but I'm not sure how much they were yesterday. I was expecting around £100 off last year but apparently not.
    - berkut 4y ago
      In NZ, the 13 Mini (which I'm tempted to get this week, upgrading from a 6S) is reduced by $50. $1,449 -> $1,399 for the 256 GB model.
      - rcarr 4y ago
        I was thinking of getting a mini but this all feels a bit weak sauce, I might just wait until next year and squeeze the final year out of my 8 plus even though its battery life is absolutely dire.
        makeitdouble 4y ago
        Wouldn’t it be worth it to just change the battery ?
    - mdasen 4y ago
      The iPhone 13 mini was £679 and the iPhone 13 was £779 and today it's £649 and £749. They've discounted it by £30. That might seem small, but the pound has lost 17% of its value over the past year (relative to the dollar). Last year you would have paid (in dollars) $937 or $1,075 for the iPhone 13 mini or iPhone 13. Today, you're paying $746 or $861 so they've discounted it by $191 or $214 (including the change in value of the pound) which is a pretty substantial discount. You can see this in the new pricing too. The iPhone 13 was £779, but the iPhone 14 is £849. That's an increase of £70 (9%) in pounds, but a drop of $99 (9%) in dollars. Presumably, Apple is willing to eat a bit of exchange-rate fluctuations. Likewise, the iPhone 13 Pro was £949, but the iPhone 14 Pro is £1,099 - an increase of £150 (16%), but a decrease of $46 (3%) in dollars. Before someone says "Apple is always overcharging UK customers - $1075 for an iPhone 13 compared to $800 in the US," it's important to note that different countries have very different regulations, fees, import tariffs, and taxes. I believe VAT in the UK is 20%. Yes, they have dropped the price. It doesn't seem like much of a drop because most of the price decrease is in the fact that the pound has lost so much value. It's £100 cheaper than the iPhone 14 (which is what you were expecting), but it's only £30 cheaper than the iPhone 13 was a day ago (presumably in large part due to the fact that the pound is worth so much less now than a year ago).
drexlspivey 4y ago
Wow do these really ship with last year’s A15 chip? Why would you buy them over iPhone 13?
- heartbreak 4y ago
  If I recall correctly we are in the midst of a chip shortage.
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- berkut 4y ago
  1 extra GPU core, but otherwise, yes.
- ProAm 4y ago
  Conveniently you can't get a 13 Pro anymore on their website.
- AnonHP 4y ago
  These have much better cameras, crash detection and some more improvements over iPhone 13 Pro (the chip is from the 13 Pro, not from the 13).
  - colinmhayes 4y ago
    > These have much better cameras They say that literally every year and I never notice.
    - pwinnski 4y ago
      I have an iPhone X (2017). My partner has an iPhone 12 (2020). The difference is very noticeable across those three years. I think often a single year's improvements are negligible but real, so any given two year's improvements are much more noticeable.
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okyanusoz 4y ago
I didn't expect the Apple Watch Ultra to be named like that.
- nickhalfasleep 4y ago
  Apple Watch Ultra Pro Max next...
hiidrew 4y ago
I find it interesting that I'm personally much more excited by their OS updates than the new phones. I wish the excitement was equal.
- colinjoy 4y ago
  When Tim Apple announced the iPhone X in 2017, they stated it would "set the tone for the next decade". To me, it feels like that still holds true and my bank account is happy for it :)
  - redditor98654 4y ago
    How is the iPhone X working for you? Mine is struggling now. Gets very hot after a video call. Cell network completely drops randomly and will only recover if I take out the SIM and put it back. I was hoping for a couple of more years.
    - colinjoy 4y ago
      It does get a bit hot an sluggish sometimes, but nothing too bad. I restart it every week or so and that's good enough.
prof-dr-ir 4y ago
So I guess the most important question is whether the iPhone 13 models will see a price drop soon?
- simlevesque 4y ago
  They have, check out apple.com.
- tinybear1 4y ago
  Price already dropped $100 on Apple’s website.
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  - prof-dr-ir 4y ago
    Thank you - I asked because their price did not drop in the EU.
- berkut 4y ago
  13 minis have dropped by $50 in NZ.
HatchedLake721 4y ago
It's weird, while Google struggles to make basic Emergency Services calling to work reliably[1], Apple keeps adding life saving features from detecting falls and car crashes to ability to call Emergency Services via satellite. Just shows you how companies are different in focus, quality control and attention to detail. [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32713375 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32713375
- eugenekolo 4y ago
  You don't even know for certainty that Apple doesn't have the same/similar problems in an unreleased device/OS.... I'm not saying they do have those issues, but how do you know they don't? You can't compare a released product to a marketing ad.
  - mirashii 4y ago
    The issues mentioned are existing issues in Android devices today and for a few years that the iPhone has full parity with, so I think even if the new features are dropped the criticism stands.
  - HatchedLake721 4y ago
    I'm talking in general, nothing to do with iPhone 14. Apple released fall detection in Apple Watch few years ago, there are already stories of lives it saved. I'm pretty sure if Apple had an outstanding software bug of not being able to call emergency services for over a year now, I'm pretty sure we (HN crowd) would know it by now.
    - eugenekolo 4y ago
      Android does have crash detection. I understand your claim as Apple values safety, whereas Google does not in their feature releases. But, that is not true. It is true that Google products are mostly garbage these days, so don't get me wrong there. Android/Pixel safety features: https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7055029?hl=en https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7055029?hl=en
esturk 4y ago
Does anyone else have the hardware issue where the iPhone can't output audio if it is tethered to the monitor (w/o speakers) via the lightning cable? AFAIK, the only app that works in this configuration is Facetime. For all other apps such as AppleTV, Apple Music, youtube, zoom, etc. the iPhone doesn't output audio at all. I hope this bug gets fixed in the new iPhones.
- HatchedLake721 4y ago
  Go to Control Centre, there's a button at the top right to select audio output device. https://support.switcherstudio.com/en/articles/5009024-checking-or-changing-the-audio-output https://support.switcherstudio.com/en/articles/5009024-check...
  - esturk 4y ago
    I know you can output the audio to 'other' devices, but I only want to output it from the iPhone or iPad. Strangely, in the link above, we can see there being an iPhone option but I don't see that as of the latest iOS. Is this feature in the unreleased iOS 16?
belligeront 4y ago
People who travel frequently, does the lack of physical SIM card concern you? I'm not sure how widespread eSIMs across countries.
- officialchicken 4y ago
  Yes, absolutely a deal breaker... but I carry two phones b/c I do not trust Verizon after being disconnected overseas. Their international plan requires you to re-connect to a US-based cell tower in order to "reactivate" the international plan if it has been disconnected. I am not aware of any service that allows me to buy an e-sim for any given random country airport and activate it before I reach the exit. edit: forgot to add ... if you change countries or have to make an additional unplanned hop, VZ does not work in that scenario either.
  - philsnow 4y ago
    > connect to a US-based cell tower in order to "reactivate" the international plan if it has been disconnected > if you change countries or have to make an additional unplanned hop, VZ does not work in that scenario either Just so I understand you, Verizon has an international plan where you have to touch base back in the States every time you go to some other country, before it will work in the next country? I must have misunderstood what you were saying.
    - officialchicken 4y ago
      No misunderstanding... been affected twice with EU trips that included hops to MENA. And if you are somehow disconnected (due to an error on their end, which are quite frequent) it can not re-establish functionality without accessing a US-based cell tower. After the second or third time it happened, I just started carrying a second phone to put in a local SIM. I ended up saving a ton of money in data charges too.
      - sockaddr 4y ago
        It's even dumber than that! It used to "just work" when you landed in another country and tried to pull a single byte of data. But now you're required to call VZ and inform them of your trip beforehand. To make matters worse, not all of their reps know this and will tell you that isn't the case and leave you stranded with no coverage. I'm generally happy with VZ over the years but this is just pathetic. A rep once explained this to me as "innovation". Cool.
fomine3 4y ago
There's less advertisement about CPU core performance on A16 so I expect there's little (less than A14 to A15) improvement for that. It's completely fine for iPhone but not good sign for future M3 for Mac/iPad.
- keepquestioning 4y ago
  No doubt M3 will be on a 1 Angstrom node.
- kemayo 4y ago
  There was similar speculation last year when the A15 came out[1], because Apple didn't talk about performance (at all, I think?) in the iPhone 13 announcement. Then the A15 kept up their regular rate of improvement. So it's plausible the same will happen this year. Wouldn't surprise me if Apple currently feels that they're so widely perceived as being the performance winners that they don't need to hammer down on it. They had that one slide comparing their competition to the A13, after all. [1]: https://9to5mac.com/2021/10/05/a15-performance-gains/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/10/05/a15-performance-gains/
Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
Still no USB-C port. Disappointing.
- rcarr 4y ago
  EU Law stipulates it's got to be USB-C by Autumn 2024. Will be interesting to see if they implement it next year or hold off again.
  - dis-sys 4y ago
    do they require USB-C on every computer? just checked all my desktops, none of them have USB-C.
    - rcarr 4y ago
      According to this article, laptops will be following 40 months later so end of 2027/start of 2028 https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/06/07/eu-agrees-all-mobile-phones-tablets-must-have-the-same-charging-port-in-world-first https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/06/07/eu-agrees-all-mobil...
  - mikequinlan 4y ago
    Won't Apple just provide a dongle or adapter?
  - dymk 4y ago
    I look forward to EU landfills receiving tonnes of Lightning cables. And 10 years from now, receiving more tonnes of USB-C cables once the next USB standard makes the current set of cables obsolete (even assuming they share the same port shape).
  - yreg 4y ago
    I won't be surprised if Apple removes the port completely instead.
    - wilsonnb3 4y ago
jcfrei 4y ago
What bugs me most about Pro vs non-Pro models is that they don't enable you to take macro shots on the non-Pro models. Even my old Samsung s8 could do those - yet on lots of newer phones (iphone and android) macro shots are for some reason not possible on the cheaper versions. I'm pretty sure that's not because it requires expensive camera features but because it serves as a way to segregate the market.
- tomduncalf 4y ago
  The iPhone macro uses the ultra wide angle lens which has huge depth of field and can focus really close, so can get very close to objects. Without the ultra wide angle lens you can’t take what most would define as macro photos. You can still take photos as close as the camera can focus otherwise on other models, I suspect your S8 is doing this but the macro mode locks it to minimum focal length. Macro mode (or anything focal) isn’t something explicitly exposed in the iOS camera app so it would actually be weird to have it there - you take macro photos with the Pro by just moving the phone really close to something, there’s no way to force it. You may like to check out the app Halide, which can force macro focus and will even do its best on non-Pro iPhones (but the results won’t compare without a lens that can focus really close)
  - jcfrei 4y ago
    If I remember correctly the iPhone Pro models allow you to enable macro mode in the settings while the non-pro don't. Using different camera apps doesn't help. I've done a hands-on comparison between a Pro and non-Pro model, the difference in close-up shots is staggering.
    - tomduncalf 4y ago
      Yeah, this is because the Pro has the UWA lens which can focus super close whereas the non-Pro does not so all it can do is take a normal photo. It’s a physical restriction of the lens
  - Shirt3907 4y ago
    I am curious how the iPhone 14 will perform here. Starting with the iPhone 13 series (actually already the iPhone 12 Pro Max) Apple somewhat crippled the standard camera regarding close-range photos. Closest focus is now around 14cm. All previous models, and most main cameras from all other brands, typically have a closest focus at around 7-10cm. Means the best resolution with the main cam is now about half what it was before... If you regularly need close-range photos with decent resolution, the iPhoneSE 22 will give you far better results than the iPhone 13. Halide will not help you, it seems that it is a hardware limitation. Probably a marketing decision by Apple to promote the UW macro mode of the Pro model.
canuckintime 4y ago
Dynamic Island looks neat (reminds me of webOS) BUT controls at the top of the screen still work poorly, especially on these bigger phones. I had a little hope when Apple introduced those controls in iOS 16 on the lower half of the lock screen but alas... I'm curious how it works in landscape orientation if at all. If there were a ‘iPhone 14 Pro mini’ that would be amazing
- madeofpalk 4y ago
  It doesn't seem like they're actually controls, but more status indicators? Doesn't look like it's supposed to be an area of high and frequent interaction.
  - canuckintime 4y ago
    There’s music controls there. You may also touch the indicators to expand into bigger controls.
- CharlesW 4y ago
  > Dynamic Island looks neat (reminds me of webOS) BUT controls at the top of the screen still work poorly, especially on these bigger phones. I'd expect Reachability will allow for one-handed operation: https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/reachability-iph145eba8e9/ios https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/reachability-iph145eb...
  - throwoutway 4y ago
    Wow, I never knew what that feature was for. I would randomly trigger it and be confused.
  - canuckintime 4y ago
    The phone was released today and Reachability does NOT allow for one-handed operation. It wasn't referred to in any pr or reviews by the way... Not sure how well Apple could make it work but Reachability would still be a crutch
Invictus0 4y ago
Soon they will rename it to the iCamera, which also happens to make calls.
seaghost 4y ago
In Europe, iPhone 14 Pro base model costs whopping € 1329
- Synaesthesia 4y ago
  Apple’s pricing in some markets is just crazy, (basically most non US Markets)
  - zinckiwi 4y ago
    While this does seem a bit high, it’s worth bearing in mind two things. One, most other places price sales tax into the advertised total, which doesn’t happen in the US. For UK prices, that’s 20% right there. Two, to prevent constantly floating prices, they need to fix a price at a decent hedge against currency fluctuations. This should be all the more understandable given the recent volatility in forex rates.
    - Synaesthesia 4y ago
      Yeah but Samsung compensate for that sort of thing and actually take a hit in their margins to lower prices in certain markets. Apple doesn’t care, it clearly isn’t selling to price sensitive clients in non US markets, because its prices are insane. Particularly in countries like South Africa and Brazil.
- Youden 4y ago
  That depends on where precisely in Europe you are. In Switzerland it's CHF 1179 (1205 EUR).
- benhurmarcel 4y ago
  I'm curious to see how the huge price increase in Europe will affect their sales.
dis-sys 4y ago
Testing my program on a dual Xeon 8280 workstation when listening to the apple event, heard they mention that there are 16 billion transistors in A16 so checked how many transistors are in Xeon 8280 - 16 billion in total in two 8280 CPUs. (true, it is not an apple to apple comparison)
kushan2020 4y ago
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- keepquestioning 4y ago
  Imagine dying in a forest because you didn’t pay your landlord for the life saving shelter.
- bjtitus 4y ago
  You can buy a satellite beacon and pay no monthly fees but you'll be paying up front.
  - sixstringtheory 4y ago
    Which satellite beacon has free ongoing usage? I own a Garmin InReach and pay a monthly fee.
    - mrep 4y ago
      Emergency Locator Beacons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_position-indicating_radiobeacon#Types_of_Emergency_Locator_Beacons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_position-indicating_... I've got these 2: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07V6CWS26/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07V6CWS26/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6RCRIW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6RCRIW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b...
- least 4y ago
  It’s getting tiresome reading terrible takes from anti capitalists that not only attribute everything they view as negative as a product of capitalism, but also when those things are very obviously an improvement to the status quo. The alternatives are satellite phones, which on their own cost a lot of money and will realistically only be wielded by people who expect they might end up in an emergency situation rather than anyone who owns an iPhone. This expands the coverage for life saving communication vastly. We also don’t know the payment mechanisms involved with this service other than they’ll be covering the cost of it for the first two years of ownership. It seems extremely unlikely that they’d simply refuse to connect people in actual emergencies. Much more likely is that there’d be a fee for its use collected after the fact.
sylens 4y ago
The difference between the iPhone 13 and iPhone 14 seems to be nothing at all? If you were planning on getting a 14, just grab 13 on discount.
alexchantavy 4y ago
Have any major films been shot with an iPhone? The presentation seemed to market the camera to professionals.
- chrisbolt 4y ago
  Steven Soderbergh has filmed two movies with iPhones: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls507530653/ https://www.imdb.com/list/ls507530653/
randomopining 4y ago
Hate how good these phones have gotten. Screen is so fluid and apps so fast. Easier to get addicted to reading hackernews and twitter and reddit and stuff.
jononomo 4y ago
Looks like a great time to buy an iPhone 13 mini, which just got a price cut.
- soheil 4y ago
  12 mini is also great, the only downside is the short battery life
soheil 4y ago
Two issues with Dynamic Island: 1. background is always black (since it's what the notch used to be) for things like FaceID the animation looks worse and more intrusive 2. it's interactive that means you're gonna be touching it a lot and getting smudge on the camera
gregsadetsky 4y ago
EDIT: Thanks for the replies, I see now that they're talking about pixel binning. But doesn't the iPhone 13 sensor also have sensor "sub-pixels" that it's grouping into effective pixels to get a 12 MP camera? i.e. does the iPhone 14 do something different with the data coming from the sensor, or is the sensor different (for example, it allows some sub-pixel control that the iPhone 13 sensor does not)? Apple says the sensor (area I suppose) is 65% larger, but that's not enough to account for this 4x'ing. Thanks! --- I might be totally wrong, but could the 48 MP not be... real megapixels of any one camera or sensor, but a software fusion of the 3 cameras' sensors? Is that possible? There's language on the iPhone page that makes me think this -- "So the new sensor groups four pixels together into one large quad pixel, gathering 4x more light and producing spectacularly better photos at the practical 12MP size" What does "at the practical 12MP size" mean? Which "four pixels"? Where are the pixels captured/coming from? There's also "For the ultimate combination of detail and flexibility, shoot in ProRAW at 48MP resolution. A new machine learning model delivers sharper images and less noise for unprecedented detail." How much is the 48 MP a mix of sensor fusion (which could be purely software, or running on a chip, but still, post-sensor) and AI versus an actual 48 MP sensor? --- I have similar feelings about the crash detection (accelerometer-based) and even the satellite (5G-based?) capability. Are these features just... rebranded existing things // new software features?
- quixoticelixer- 4y ago
  They are actual pixels all from one sensor. They are put into groups of 4 to get 12 effective megapixels.
  - quixoticelixer- 4y ago
    https://images.anandtech.com/doci/17563/36082843_575px.jpg https://images.anandtech.com/doci/17563/36082843_575px.jpg
    - gregsadetsky 4y ago
      Right, that's a Bayer arrangement. But... previous (iPhone 13) sensors also presumably have a similar Bayer arrangements and also group the sensor's pixels (which we could call "sub-pixels") into "effective pixels", right? So what's different here? Are there truly 4 times more sub-pixels? Or is this a new algorithm to interpret the sub-pixels data...? But the sensor is the same as the previous generation?
lpasselin 4y ago
Are they releasing a new iPad pro soon? Buyers guide says It's been 495 days.
- insightcheck 4y ago
  The next iPadOS software update is confirmed to be in October (source: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/07/ipados-16-macos-ventura-october/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/07/ipados-16-macos-ventura...), so that month is a a reasonable guess for the next release date.
maytc 4y ago
Is it me or has the marketing leaders at Apple have taken over the presentations?
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readevalpanic 4y ago
Even though the market disagrees, I'm saddened that the mini isn't going to be an option in the future. The form factor was great, even though some didn't feel the compromise on battery life was worth it. Ah well.
- anonygler 4y ago
  I love my mini. I wish they fixed battery life before cancelling so I could coast for a few more years.
- maytc 4y ago
  Im getting off my SE and getting the newer 14 because of battery life too. Weight and size, the SE was perfect.
- capableweb 4y ago
  Yeah, seems it's back to Android phones for me. My iPhone Mini was my first and seemingly only iPhone. Don't understand why everyone needs so large phones...
  - jesterson 4y ago
    Easy answer - entertainment is consumed best on large screen. I use my phone purely for messaging and and iphone mini is my choice as well. Sadly we are a minority
- FearlessNebula 4y ago
  I’m hoping they’ll release a mini every 3 or 4 years
- dmtroyer 4y ago
  I'm surprised it sells so poorly. It seems like I see them everywhere, but obviously this is a good example of the failure of my own biases.
POPOSYS 4y ago
This is a thread about Apple but the words India, Foxconn and workers rights are missing - but this is the only thing that should be discussed currently when we discuss Apple. Please inform yourself about how bad workers are treated there, life in the Foxconn Apple facilities is terrible. We, as Hacker community, need to speak up - these practices must be stopped.
- foolproofplan 4y ago
- dang 4y ago
  You posted this 4 times. Please don't copy/paste comments.
t0bia_s 4y ago
There are a ton of alarmist articles about how bad climate change is and how terrible our society is... But hype around new phones every year is same. I don't get it.
- hbn 4y ago
  It's okay because they don't include a charger in the box any more :)
  - t0bia_s 4y ago
    Ah yes. Eco box. Then we are safe!

140 points by clairity 4y ago

The SOS and location tracking via satellite is a pretty neat feature. Free for the first 2 years - no details on pricing after that.

yreg 4y ago
And sadly North America only.
- alwillis 4y ago
  For now. I’m sure it’s on the roadmap everywhere it’s allowed.
  - yreg 4y ago
    I wonder what will be the rollout order. I guess I would most like to have this in the countries that are usually the last to receive Apple feature support.
    - Analemma_ 4y ago
      It's not a pure software feature and seems like it needs tons of "boots on the ground" support in terms of cooperation from local emergency services. So I'm guessing it will be first/only in developed countries with high state capacity.
- kylehotchkiss 4y ago
  There’s a handful of countries where you’ll be arrested if caught with a satellite communications device so keeping it NA only is probably just as much apple trying to not present this as trying to force the feature on the world (yet)
  - gregsadetsky 4y ago
    Wow. I didn't know this. Makes (tragic) sense from a censorship perspective, obviously. https://blog.telestial.com/2017/11/countries-where-satellite-phones-banned-or-restricted/ https://blog.telestial.com/2017/11/countries-where-satellite...
nabaraz 4y ago
I believe T-mobile and SpaceX is free for all Tmobile customers.
- dmitrygr 4y ago
  Yup, same year as tesla FSD ships and can actually avoid small kids and stationary objects, I hear.
  - ehPReth 4y ago
    Right after the Cybertruck :P
  - fakethenews2022 4y ago
    You do know that over 100K people have the beta? If people want it now in the US, they can just sign up for the beta. I know several people who did that and got it. It isn't a high bar. In heavily tested locations (West Coast), it has gotten to the point that it seems to pretty much work.
    - Rebelgecko 4y ago
      How do I sign up? Their website gives the impression it's not available until next year.
      - fakethenews2022 4y ago
        From your Tesla.
        Rebelgecko 4y ago
        I don't have one. If there's 100k people in the beta, do you have a link to reviews or anything? I'm curious how well it works, compared to Apple's version where you apparently have to wave your phone in the air a certain way. Maybe with LEO receivers that isn't necessary?
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rdtwo 4y ago
Neat but the phone isn’t super robust. I’d hate to have to rely on it in extreme emergencies. A dedicated tracker is better as it can survive in cold and other serious conditions. That being said you are more likely to have the phone on you which is a big deal
- DonaldPShimoda 4y ago
  They definitely marketed it as a tool for situations when you're not expecting to need it. Like, they were pretty clear about how it would be slower and very limited compared to dedicated satellite telephony devices.
- sixstringtheory 4y ago
  I’ve found it to be pretty robust. I’ve taken the same phone on winter climbs in interior Alaska and summer floats, one of which I had to unstick a raft from a rock while water poured over me for about 30 minutes while it was in a pocket in my PFD. It’s held up just fine. The only thing is battery life. Especially in the cold, but that’s not an Apple thing, that’s an electronics thing. But you keep it in an internal pocket where body heat can keep it warm and turn off all the radios, or even the phone itself while not in use, and it can last a long time. I can now trade out my garmin inreach for a portable battery (which I already carry every trip yet never needed so far).
- travisjungroth 4y ago
  It's like the camera. The best emergency GPS tracker is the one you have with you.
  - nharada 4y ago
    Not to mention this is a nice backup for if I accidentally break my InReach or the battery fails or something.
- grouchomarx 4y ago
  For the three-odd backpacking trips I take a year, it's perfect.
spuz 4y ago
I really hope they still allow you to use it even if you haven't paid the subscription. It's a tool for emergencies so by definition you need it only when you don't expect to need it. It would be a shame to lock people out from something that could have saved their life just because they haven't paid the $x.99 per year service. In theory they could always back-charge users who are not subscribed but even then that could discourage people from using it in a dangerous situation.
- baron816 4y ago
  Yes. Charge $20 per use instead of a subscription. $50 or whatever they want. Just don’t make people sign up for a subscription.
  - smileybarry 4y ago
    I get what you mean but I really hope it doesn’t make the Apple Pay chime in that case, heh.
  - travisjungroth 4y ago
    I think the amount you'd have to charge to not have a massive decrease in revenue would make Apple look like monsters. Human brains really aren't good at valuing rare events. Here's a possible scenario. I'm sure it's wildly off from reality, but maybe reality has the same properties. Each month, 1 in 10,000 users call in [1]. For the same revenue you can charge: $1 per user per month $10,000 per use One of those, people will hate you for. Charging $100 per use would slash your revenue by 99%. May as well make it free. I actually think that would be the way to go and maybe they'll do it some day. [1] If that seems wildly low, remember it's per month and getting lost in the wilderness is pretty rare for the average person.
- bryceacc 4y ago
  would be nice, but garmin inReach is very specific in their wording to make sure you know that if you don't have an active subscription, your SOS call will NOT work. Subscription is the standard now so doubt apple would do differently. I was genuinely surprised by the 2 years free though. Garmin inReach mini is a $350 device with 0 free function out of the box without the subscription
runjake 4y ago
My guess is that they'll do this ongoing. So, you buy an iPhone 15 and you'll get 2 years complimentary, and so on.

Ancapistani 4y ago

Of course they announce it today - I finally upgraded my iPhone X to a 13 Pro Max over the weekend :)

kasperni 4y ago
Apple releasing new iPhones in September is probably the world's worst kept secret.
martinky24 4y ago
It was pretty well understood that they were announcing a new iPhone today with a little bit of research! It's a well followed pattern at this point.
lathiat 4y ago
Next time you plan to buy an Apple product, check the macrumours buyers guide which estimates where in the product lifecycle it is and whether it’s a good time to buy it or not. https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/
- zeckalpha 4y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
olliecornelia 4y ago
You have 14 days to return it.
- thisismyusrname 4y ago
  30 days after a new product announcement I believe as well
- Ancapistani 4y ago
  Nah. My net cost is only $200, and I'll probably keep it for 3-5 years like I did my X. I really only wanted the larger, brighter screen and much better battery life.

bamboozled 4y ago

What are the benefits over iPhone 13 for people outside the US who can’t use the satellite feature ? Think I’ll just get a 13 on sale

xattt 4y ago
13 mini would sound like a bargain!
- rcarr 4y ago
  Have they even dropped the price? They're £649 for the base model in the UK but I'm not sure how much they were yesterday. I was expecting around £100 off last year but apparently not.
  - berkut 4y ago
    In NZ, the 13 Mini (which I'm tempted to get this week, upgrading from a 6S) is reduced by $50. $1,449 -> $1,399 for the 256 GB model.
    - rcarr 4y ago
      I was thinking of getting a mini but this all feels a bit weak sauce, I might just wait until next year and squeeze the final year out of my 8 plus even though its battery life is absolutely dire.
      - makeitdouble 4y ago
        Wouldn’t it be worth it to just change the battery ?
  - mdasen 4y ago
    The iPhone 13 mini was £679 and the iPhone 13 was £779 and today it's £649 and £749. They've discounted it by £30. That might seem small, but the pound has lost 17% of its value over the past year (relative to the dollar). Last year you would have paid (in dollars) $937 or $1,075 for the iPhone 13 mini or iPhone 13. Today, you're paying $746 or $861 so they've discounted it by $191 or $214 (including the change in value of the pound) which is a pretty substantial discount. You can see this in the new pricing too. The iPhone 13 was £779, but the iPhone 14 is £849. That's an increase of £70 (9%) in pounds, but a drop of $99 (9%) in dollars. Presumably, Apple is willing to eat a bit of exchange-rate fluctuations. Likewise, the iPhone 13 Pro was £949, but the iPhone 14 Pro is £1,099 - an increase of £150 (16%), but a decrease of $46 (3%) in dollars. Before someone says "Apple is always overcharging UK customers - $1075 for an iPhone 13 compared to $800 in the US," it's important to note that different countries have very different regulations, fees, import tariffs, and taxes. I believe VAT in the UK is 20%. Yes, they have dropped the price. It doesn't seem like much of a drop because most of the price decrease is in the fact that the pound has lost so much value. It's £100 cheaper than the iPhone 14 (which is what you were expecting), but it's only £30 cheaper than the iPhone 13 was a day ago (presumably in large part due to the fact that the pound is worth so much less now than a year ago).

drexlspivey 4y ago

Wow do these really ship with last year’s A15 chip? Why would you buy them over iPhone 13?

heartbreak 4y ago
If I recall correctly we are in the midst of a chip shortage.
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berkut 4y ago
1 extra GPU core, but otherwise, yes.
ProAm 4y ago
Conveniently you can't get a 13 Pro anymore on their website.
AnonHP 4y ago
These have much better cameras, crash detection and some more improvements over iPhone 13 Pro (the chip is from the 13 Pro, not from the 13).
- colinmhayes 4y ago
  > These have much better cameras They say that literally every year and I never notice.
  - pwinnski 4y ago
    I have an iPhone X (2017). My partner has an iPhone 12 (2020). The difference is very noticeable across those three years. I think often a single year's improvements are negligible but real, so any given two year's improvements are much more noticeable.
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okyanusoz 4y ago

I didn't expect the Apple Watch Ultra to be named like that.

nickhalfasleep 4y ago
Apple Watch Ultra Pro Max next...

hiidrew 4y ago

I find it interesting that I'm personally much more excited by their OS updates than the new phones. I wish the excitement was equal.

colinjoy 4y ago
When Tim Apple announced the iPhone X in 2017, they stated it would "set the tone for the next decade". To me, it feels like that still holds true and my bank account is happy for it :)
- redditor98654 4y ago
  How is the iPhone X working for you? Mine is struggling now. Gets very hot after a video call. Cell network completely drops randomly and will only recover if I take out the SIM and put it back. I was hoping for a couple of more years.
  - colinjoy 4y ago
    It does get a bit hot an sluggish sometimes, but nothing too bad. I restart it every week or so and that's good enough.

prof-dr-ir 4y ago

So I guess the most important question is whether the iPhone 13 models will see a price drop soon?

simlevesque 4y ago
They have, check out apple.com.
tinybear1 4y ago
Price already dropped $100 on Apple’s website.
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- prof-dr-ir 4y ago
  Thank you - I asked because their price did not drop in the EU.
berkut 4y ago
13 minis have dropped by $50 in NZ.

HatchedLake721 4y ago

It's weird, while Google struggles to make basic Emergency Services calling to work reliably[1], Apple keeps adding life saving features from detecting falls and car crashes to ability to call Emergency Services via satellite. Just shows you how companies are different in focus, quality control and attention to detail. [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32713375 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32713375

eugenekolo 4y ago
You don't even know for certainty that Apple doesn't have the same/similar problems in an unreleased device/OS.... I'm not saying they do have those issues, but how do you know they don't? You can't compare a released product to a marketing ad.
- mirashii 4y ago
  The issues mentioned are existing issues in Android devices today and for a few years that the iPhone has full parity with, so I think even if the new features are dropped the criticism stands.
- HatchedLake721 4y ago
  I'm talking in general, nothing to do with iPhone 14. Apple released fall detection in Apple Watch few years ago, there are already stories of lives it saved. I'm pretty sure if Apple had an outstanding software bug of not being able to call emergency services for over a year now, I'm pretty sure we (HN crowd) would know it by now.
  - eugenekolo 4y ago
    Android does have crash detection. I understand your claim as Apple values safety, whereas Google does not in their feature releases. But, that is not true. It is true that Google products are mostly garbage these days, so don't get me wrong there. Android/Pixel safety features: https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7055029?hl=en https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7055029?hl=en

esturk 4y ago

Does anyone else have the hardware issue where the iPhone can't output audio if it is tethered to the monitor (w/o speakers) via the lightning cable? AFAIK, the only app that works in this configuration is Facetime. For all other apps such as AppleTV, Apple Music, youtube, zoom, etc. the iPhone doesn't output audio at all. I hope this bug gets fixed in the new iPhones.

HatchedLake721 4y ago
Go to Control Centre, there's a button at the top right to select audio output device. https://support.switcherstudio.com/en/articles/5009024-checking-or-changing-the-audio-output https://support.switcherstudio.com/en/articles/5009024-check...
- esturk 4y ago
  I know you can output the audio to 'other' devices, but I only want to output it from the iPhone or iPad. Strangely, in the link above, we can see there being an iPhone option but I don't see that as of the latest iOS. Is this feature in the unreleased iOS 16?

belligeront 4y ago

People who travel frequently, does the lack of physical SIM card concern you? I'm not sure how widespread eSIMs across countries.

officialchicken 4y ago
Yes, absolutely a deal breaker... but I carry two phones b/c I do not trust Verizon after being disconnected overseas. Their international plan requires you to re-connect to a US-based cell tower in order to "reactivate" the international plan if it has been disconnected. I am not aware of any service that allows me to buy an e-sim for any given random country airport and activate it before I reach the exit. edit: forgot to add ... if you change countries or have to make an additional unplanned hop, VZ does not work in that scenario either.
- philsnow 4y ago
  > connect to a US-based cell tower in order to "reactivate" the international plan if it has been disconnected > if you change countries or have to make an additional unplanned hop, VZ does not work in that scenario either Just so I understand you, Verizon has an international plan where you have to touch base back in the States every time you go to some other country, before it will work in the next country? I must have misunderstood what you were saying.
  - officialchicken 4y ago
    No misunderstanding... been affected twice with EU trips that included hops to MENA. And if you are somehow disconnected (due to an error on their end, which are quite frequent) it can not re-establish functionality without accessing a US-based cell tower. After the second or third time it happened, I just started carrying a second phone to put in a local SIM. I ended up saving a ton of money in data charges too.
    - sockaddr 4y ago
      It's even dumber than that! It used to "just work" when you landed in another country and tried to pull a single byte of data. But now you're required to call VZ and inform them of your trip beforehand. To make matters worse, not all of their reps know this and will tell you that isn't the case and leave you stranded with no coverage. I'm generally happy with VZ over the years but this is just pathetic. A rep once explained this to me as "innovation". Cool.

fomine3 4y ago

There's less advertisement about CPU core performance on A16 so I expect there's little (less than A14 to A15) improvement for that. It's completely fine for iPhone but not good sign for future M3 for Mac/iPad.

keepquestioning 4y ago
No doubt M3 will be on a 1 Angstrom node.
kemayo 4y ago
There was similar speculation last year when the A15 came out[1], because Apple didn't talk about performance (at all, I think?) in the iPhone 13 announcement. Then the A15 kept up their regular rate of improvement. So it's plausible the same will happen this year. Wouldn't surprise me if Apple currently feels that they're so widely perceived as being the performance winners that they don't need to hammer down on it. They had that one slide comparing their competition to the A13, after all. [1]: https://9to5mac.com/2021/10/05/a15-performance-gains/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/10/05/a15-performance-gains/

Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago

Still no USB-C port. Disappointing.

rcarr 4y ago
EU Law stipulates it's got to be USB-C by Autumn 2024. Will be interesting to see if they implement it next year or hold off again.
- dis-sys 4y ago
  do they require USB-C on every computer? just checked all my desktops, none of them have USB-C.
  - rcarr 4y ago
    According to this article, laptops will be following 40 months later so end of 2027/start of 2028 https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/06/07/eu-agrees-all-mobile-phones-tablets-must-have-the-same-charging-port-in-world-first https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/06/07/eu-agrees-all-mobil...
- mikequinlan 4y ago
  Won't Apple just provide a dongle or adapter?
- dymk 4y ago
  I look forward to EU landfills receiving tonnes of Lightning cables. And 10 years from now, receiving more tonnes of USB-C cables once the next USB standard makes the current set of cables obsolete (even assuming they share the same port shape).
- yreg 4y ago
  I won't be surprised if Apple removes the port completely instead.
  - wilsonnb3 4y ago

jcfrei 4y ago

What bugs me most about Pro vs non-Pro models is that they don't enable you to take macro shots on the non-Pro models. Even my old Samsung s8 could do those - yet on lots of newer phones (iphone and android) macro shots are for some reason not possible on the cheaper versions. I'm pretty sure that's not because it requires expensive camera features but because it serves as a way to segregate the market.

tomduncalf 4y ago
The iPhone macro uses the ultra wide angle lens which has huge depth of field and can focus really close, so can get very close to objects. Without the ultra wide angle lens you can’t take what most would define as macro photos. You can still take photos as close as the camera can focus otherwise on other models, I suspect your S8 is doing this but the macro mode locks it to minimum focal length. Macro mode (or anything focal) isn’t something explicitly exposed in the iOS camera app so it would actually be weird to have it there - you take macro photos with the Pro by just moving the phone really close to something, there’s no way to force it. You may like to check out the app Halide, which can force macro focus and will even do its best on non-Pro iPhones (but the results won’t compare without a lens that can focus really close)
- jcfrei 4y ago
  If I remember correctly the iPhone Pro models allow you to enable macro mode in the settings while the non-pro don't. Using different camera apps doesn't help. I've done a hands-on comparison between a Pro and non-Pro model, the difference in close-up shots is staggering.
  - tomduncalf 4y ago
    Yeah, this is because the Pro has the UWA lens which can focus super close whereas the non-Pro does not so all it can do is take a normal photo. It’s a physical restriction of the lens
- Shirt3907 4y ago
  I am curious how the iPhone 14 will perform here. Starting with the iPhone 13 series (actually already the iPhone 12 Pro Max) Apple somewhat crippled the standard camera regarding close-range photos. Closest focus is now around 14cm. All previous models, and most main cameras from all other brands, typically have a closest focus at around 7-10cm. Means the best resolution with the main cam is now about half what it was before... If you regularly need close-range photos with decent resolution, the iPhoneSE 22 will give you far better results than the iPhone 13. Halide will not help you, it seems that it is a hardware limitation. Probably a marketing decision by Apple to promote the UW macro mode of the Pro model.

canuckintime 4y ago

Dynamic Island looks neat (reminds me of webOS) BUT controls at the top of the screen still work poorly, especially on these bigger phones. I had a little hope when Apple introduced those controls in iOS 16 on the lower half of the lock screen but alas... I'm curious how it works in landscape orientation if at all. If there were a ‘iPhone 14 Pro mini’ that would be amazing

madeofpalk 4y ago
It doesn't seem like they're actually controls, but more status indicators? Doesn't look like it's supposed to be an area of high and frequent interaction.
- canuckintime 4y ago
  There’s music controls there. You may also touch the indicators to expand into bigger controls.
CharlesW 4y ago
> Dynamic Island looks neat (reminds me of webOS) BUT controls at the top of the screen still work poorly, especially on these bigger phones. I'd expect Reachability will allow for one-handed operation: https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/reachability-iph145eba8e9/ios https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/reachability-iph145eb...
- throwoutway 4y ago
  Wow, I never knew what that feature was for. I would randomly trigger it and be confused.
- canuckintime 4y ago
  The phone was released today and Reachability does NOT allow for one-handed operation. It wasn't referred to in any pr or reviews by the way... Not sure how well Apple could make it work but Reachability would still be a crutch

Invictus0 4y ago

Soon they will rename it to the iCamera, which also happens to make calls.

seaghost 4y ago

In Europe, iPhone 14 Pro base model costs whopping € 1329

Synaesthesia 4y ago
Apple’s pricing in some markets is just crazy, (basically most non US Markets)
- zinckiwi 4y ago
  While this does seem a bit high, it’s worth bearing in mind two things. One, most other places price sales tax into the advertised total, which doesn’t happen in the US. For UK prices, that’s 20% right there. Two, to prevent constantly floating prices, they need to fix a price at a decent hedge against currency fluctuations. This should be all the more understandable given the recent volatility in forex rates.
  - Synaesthesia 4y ago
    Yeah but Samsung compensate for that sort of thing and actually take a hit in their margins to lower prices in certain markets. Apple doesn’t care, it clearly isn’t selling to price sensitive clients in non US markets, because its prices are insane. Particularly in countries like South Africa and Brazil.
Youden 4y ago
That depends on where precisely in Europe you are. In Switzerland it's CHF 1179 (1205 EUR).
benhurmarcel 4y ago
I'm curious to see how the huge price increase in Europe will affect their sales.

dis-sys 4y ago

Testing my program on a dual Xeon 8280 workstation when listening to the apple event, heard they mention that there are 16 billion transistors in A16 so checked how many transistors are in Xeon 8280 - 16 billion in total in two 8280 CPUs. (true, it is not an apple to apple comparison)

kushan2020 4y ago

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keepquestioning 4y ago
Imagine dying in a forest because you didn’t pay your landlord for the life saving shelter.
bjtitus 4y ago
You can buy a satellite beacon and pay no monthly fees but you'll be paying up front.
- sixstringtheory 4y ago
  Which satellite beacon has free ongoing usage? I own a Garmin InReach and pay a monthly fee.
  - mrep 4y ago
    Emergency Locator Beacons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_position-indicating_radiobeacon#Types_of_Emergency_Locator_Beacons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_position-indicating_... I've got these 2: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07V6CWS26/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07V6CWS26/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6RCRIW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6RCRIW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b...
least 4y ago
It’s getting tiresome reading terrible takes from anti capitalists that not only attribute everything they view as negative as a product of capitalism, but also when those things are very obviously an improvement to the status quo. The alternatives are satellite phones, which on their own cost a lot of money and will realistically only be wielded by people who expect they might end up in an emergency situation rather than anyone who owns an iPhone. This expands the coverage for life saving communication vastly. We also don’t know the payment mechanisms involved with this service other than they’ll be covering the cost of it for the first two years of ownership. It seems extremely unlikely that they’d simply refuse to connect people in actual emergencies. Much more likely is that there’d be a fee for its use collected after the fact.

sylens 4y ago

The difference between the iPhone 13 and iPhone 14 seems to be nothing at all? If you were planning on getting a 14, just grab 13 on discount.

alexchantavy 4y ago

Have any major films been shot with an iPhone? The presentation seemed to market the camera to professionals.

chrisbolt 4y ago
Steven Soderbergh has filmed two movies with iPhones: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls507530653/ https://www.imdb.com/list/ls507530653/

randomopining 4y ago

Hate how good these phones have gotten. Screen is so fluid and apps so fast. Easier to get addicted to reading hackernews and twitter and reddit and stuff.

jononomo 4y ago

Looks like a great time to buy an iPhone 13 mini, which just got a price cut.

soheil 4y ago
12 mini is also great, the only downside is the short battery life

soheil 4y ago

Two issues with Dynamic Island: 1. background is always black (since it's what the notch used to be) for things like FaceID the animation looks worse and more intrusive 2. it's interactive that means you're gonna be touching it a lot and getting smudge on the camera

gregsadetsky 4y ago

EDIT: Thanks for the replies, I see now that they're talking about pixel binning. But doesn't the iPhone 13 sensor also have sensor "sub-pixels" that it's grouping into effective pixels to get a 12 MP camera? i.e. does the iPhone 14 do something different with the data coming from the sensor, or is the sensor different (for example, it allows some sub-pixel control that the iPhone 13 sensor does not)? Apple says the sensor (area I suppose) is 65% larger, but that's not enough to account for this 4x'ing. Thanks! --- I might be totally wrong, but could the 48 MP not be... real megapixels of any one camera or sensor, but a software fusion of the 3 cameras' sensors? Is that possible? There's language on the iPhone page that makes me think this -- "So the new sensor groups four pixels together into one large quad pixel, gathering 4x more light and producing spectacularly better photos at the practical 12MP size" What does "at the practical 12MP size" mean? Which "four pixels"? Where are the pixels captured/coming from? There's also "For the ultimate combination of detail and flexibility, shoot in ProRAW at 48MP resolution. A new machine learning model delivers sharper images and less noise for unprecedented detail." How much is the 48 MP a mix of sensor fusion (which could be purely software, or running on a chip, but still, post-sensor) and AI versus an actual 48 MP sensor? --- I have similar feelings about the crash detection (accelerometer-based) and even the satellite (5G-based?) capability. Are these features just... rebranded existing things // new software features?

quixoticelixer- 4y ago
They are actual pixels all from one sensor. They are put into groups of 4 to get 12 effective megapixels.
- quixoticelixer- 4y ago
  https://images.anandtech.com/doci/17563/36082843_575px.jpg https://images.anandtech.com/doci/17563/36082843_575px.jpg
  - gregsadetsky 4y ago
    Right, that's a Bayer arrangement. But... previous (iPhone 13) sensors also presumably have a similar Bayer arrangements and also group the sensor's pixels (which we could call "sub-pixels") into "effective pixels", right? So what's different here? Are there truly 4 times more sub-pixels? Or is this a new algorithm to interpret the sub-pixels data...? But the sensor is the same as the previous generation?

lpasselin 4y ago

Are they releasing a new iPad pro soon? Buyers guide says It's been 495 days.

insightcheck 4y ago
The next iPadOS software update is confirmed to be in October (source: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/07/ipados-16-macos-ventura-october/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/07/ipados-16-macos-ventura...), so that month is a a reasonable guess for the next release date.

maytc 4y ago

Is it me or has the marketing leaders at Apple have taken over the presentations?

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readevalpanic 4y ago

Even though the market disagrees, I'm saddened that the mini isn't going to be an option in the future. The form factor was great, even though some didn't feel the compromise on battery life was worth it. Ah well.

anonygler 4y ago
I love my mini. I wish they fixed battery life before cancelling so I could coast for a few more years.
maytc 4y ago
Im getting off my SE and getting the newer 14 because of battery life too. Weight and size, the SE was perfect.
capableweb 4y ago
Yeah, seems it's back to Android phones for me. My iPhone Mini was my first and seemingly only iPhone. Don't understand why everyone needs so large phones...
- jesterson 4y ago
  Easy answer - entertainment is consumed best on large screen. I use my phone purely for messaging and and iphone mini is my choice as well. Sadly we are a minority
FearlessNebula 4y ago
I’m hoping they’ll release a mini every 3 or 4 years
dmtroyer 4y ago
I'm surprised it sells so poorly. It seems like I see them everywhere, but obviously this is a good example of the failure of my own biases.

POPOSYS 4y ago

This is a thread about Apple but the words India, Foxconn and workers rights are missing - but this is the only thing that should be discussed currently when we discuss Apple. Please inform yourself about how bad workers are treated there, life in the Foxconn Apple facilities is terrible. We, as Hacker community, need to speak up - these practices must be stopped.

foolproofplan 4y ago
dang 4y ago
You posted this 4 times. Please don't copy/paste comments.

t0bia_s 4y ago

There are a ton of alarmist articles about how bad climate change is and how terrible our society is... But hype around new phones every year is same. I don't get it.

hbn 4y ago
It's okay because they don't include a charger in the box any more :)
- t0bia_s 4y ago
  Ah yes. Eco box. Then we are safe!