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Austrian ISPs Block Cloudflare IP addresses after apparent court order
- 123r132f13 4y ago
- zagrebian 4y agoThat website doesn’t have HTTPS.
- josteink 4y agoGood plan. Then he won’t need cloudflare to put a HTTPS proxy in front of it and get blocked.
- the_mitsuhiko 4y agoApparently a copyright holding company (“LSG - Wahrnehmung von Leistungsschutzrechten GesmbH”) managed to convince a court to block IP addresses. Something which in this form wasn’t done before. However since those are Cloudflare addresses there is a ton of collateral damage.
- johnklos 4y agoWhich is exactly what Cloudflare wants and has planned all along.
- sp332 4y agoIt's pretty much how any CDN would work?
- explaingarlic 4y agoSo what that Cloudflare hides behind the fact that it serves a large chunk of the internet? It's a strategic fact that they use to their advantage, not their ultimate evil goal to make your life worse eventually. I think we're quite spoiled with how much we benefit from their economy of scale.
- robertlagrant 4y agoIt's not hiding behind that fact. It just is a fact.
- explaingarlic 4y agoI'm directly replying to: Which is exactly what Cloudflare wants and has planned all along. The idea that it's all planned and was a strategic bid to get into a stable business position and so on...
- xbar 4y agoauf Wiedersehen Österreich
- hsbauauvhabzb 4y agoDoes the order force blocking of the IP bound to a DNS address? Could piracy sites change DNS A records to arbitrary IP addresses to deny service to other sites?
- the_mitsuhiko 4y agoUnclear. I was unable to find the court order so I’m not sure where it’s coming from.
- riedel 4y agoSeems that they just wanted to block some piracy sites like newalbumreleases.net if you compare the dates and check the IPs behind those domains. Wonder however if this actually enforced because I think there is no IP block and no reports from Austria about collateral damage (or am I wrong and Austria cannot complain because they are cut of from the internet) Edit: btw, the domains added with date August 29 are already blocked in Germany and some other EU countries for a while: https://onlinefilter.info/cuii-dns-sperre/newalbumreleasesnet-net-dns-sperre-infos-details https://onlinefilter.info/cuii-dns-sperre/newalbumreleasesne... .
- riedel 4y agoThe strange thing is that this order is still not published (and has a date of tomorrow): https://www.rtr.at/TKP/aktuelles/entscheidungen/Uebersichtseite.de.html?l=de&q=&t=field%3DTKK%3Bcategory%3Drechtsaufsicht https://www.rtr.at/TKP/aktuelles/entscheidungen/Uebersichtse...
- jonasdoesthings 4y ago> I think there is no IP block and no reports from Austria about collateral damage There is definitely a good amount of collateral damage, not all ISPs rolled out the block already, but some did. I myself noticed a lot of sites stopped working or fail to load scripts/external resources. On reddit r/austria there are also multiple complaints. Most normal users probably just suspect their router/pc acting up. It took me a day too to get to the gist of this issue with sites not loading without tor.
- Lacerda69 4y agoNice best of list of pirate services! A couple of those I didnt know, how kind of them to provide this helpful overview.
- musha68k 4y agoPirate Streisand effect. Love it. I’m just wondering about this as Austria historically has been very lax about falling for demands of the intellectual properties bullies. Edit: I see it’s mostly Austrian film makers (some great ones in there to be fair) and Elsevier (yikes!) behind those takedown attempts.
- mmh0000 4y agoThe Piracy subreddit is one of the best sources for staying abreast of current pirating options: https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/
- 8191 4y agoSeems to be a specific action/order by mentioned ISP. Using the biggest ISP in Austria (A1) still allows access to listed IPs.
- the_mitsuhiko 4y agoI see failures on Magenta, A1 (in parts), Liwest and Drei. It’s not constantly blocked which is why I think they didn’t fully roll it out yet. Also failures won’t happen if you have an IPv6 connection and it can connect that way.
- whiterock 4y agoHmm, I am a LIWEST customer myself, but libgen.is is not blocked for me - so are they really blocking IP adresses? I am using 1.1.1.1 as my DNS. Edit: Okay i tried a few links now - many show a „this domain is for sale“ page, while some work - so I dunno what to do with that…
- the_mitsuhiko 4y agoThe IP addresses on the bottom of the list are blocked. For instance you can check a host which only has a single blocked IP on and you won't be able to navigate to it. For instance preis-zone.com or www.skodacommunity.de are fully unavailable right now since both the IPs on that domain are blocked (188.114.96.12 and 188.114.97.12) when resolved from Austria. Some cloudflare worker page are also not loading correctly. A reply I got on twitter pointed out that you cannot load urbanarrow.com from Austria properly (for me it gets stuck after language selection). Also you are more likely to see failures if you are only using IPv4 as some hosts also answer to IPv6.
- Akronymus 4y agoEnergie AG here, nothing seems blocked for me.
- raffraffraff 4y agoWow. Are they basically turning off a large chunk of the internet for Austria? *Fixed
- reichardt 4y agoAustria—Schnitzel not kangaroo.
- wizofaus 4y agoThe two aren't at all mutually exclusive, just so you know!
- mabbo 4y agoKangaroo schnitzel sounds intriguing but gamey.
- raverbashing 4y agoIt seems it's blocking the domains, not the IPs, so I guess it's more at DNS level
- the_mitsuhiko 4y agoThey used to do DNS blocking for years which you could easily bypass by using a different DNS provider. Today they added IP addresses (see bottom of the list).
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- alberth 4y agoAustralia has been problematic for Cloudflare for 5+ years now. [0] Bandwidth is prohibitive expensive there, and as such - Cloudflare has routed around Australia resulting in much higher latencies. Australia has pushed for tech companies to install back doors into user data. [1] Now this. [0] https://medium.com/@SimonEast/the-declining-value-of-cloudflare-in-australia-6588910e4781 https://medium.com/@SimonEast/the-declining-value-of-cloudfl... [1] https://www.accessnow.org/closing-backdoor-australia/ https://www.accessnow.org/closing-backdoor-australia/ EDIT. I have to laugh at myself. I misread this as “Australia”, not “Austria”. Doh.
- chinathrow 4y agoArticle is about Austria.
- Dylan16807 4y agoThere's an article? I see a list of blocks with no commentary.
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- mixologic 4y agoThe headline is about Austria, not Australia.
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- croes 4y agoJust to be sure, you do realize this is about Austria not Australia?
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- ricardobayes 4y agoNo HTTPS, no party.
- tsimionescu 4y agoWhat do you think HTTPS has to do with IP blocking by your ISP?
- alborzb 4y agoIt's possibly that the commenter is reffering to OP's link not being HTTPS?
- ricardobayes 4y agoyup
- tsimionescu 4y agoI hadn't notice that, perhaps you're right.
- nouryqt 4y agohttps://archive.ph/yByeX https://archive.ph/yByeX
- ARandomerDude 4y agoIf the comments here are correct, the Austrians told Cloudflare "you'll go a-waltzing matilda with me." Or however you say that in German. Mate.
- bakugo 4y agoThis happens in my country as well. When I first noticed random cloudflare IPs timing out, I didn't think too much about it and assumed it was some routing issue, but then it happened again and again so I did some searching and found some people on the same ISP as me mentioning that it conveniently happens when big football matches are on, and the dates did indeed line up. No, that is not a joke.
- CommitSyn 4y agoWhat country, if you care to share?
- coolspot 4y agoRussia. They also temporarily blocked large chunks of AWS IPs back when they fought with Telegram. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/government/russia-bans-18-million-amazon-and-google-ips-in-attempt-to-block-telegram/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/government/russia-bans...
- CraigRood 4y agoI will guess at the UK. Premier League have many court ordered blocks on ISPs in place.
- bakugo 4y agoI'd rather not share, but it's not russia.
- scottydelta 4y agoIt's easier for Cloudflare to ban the sites causing this and replace the affected IPs than to fight this in the court.
- clever-leap 4y ago
- tomp 4y agoNot that different from the rest of Europe TBH. Individual freedom, restrictions on government power, freedom of speech… all these concepts are not prioritised by, and are somewhat foreign to, Europeans
- malermeister 4y agoAs a European, I find a lot of these to be euphemisms for things that are actively harmful.
- troad 4y ago> As a European, I find a lot of these to be euphemisms for things that are actively harmful. As a gay man, as the child of parents who grew up under totalitarianism: I rather value those things.
- croes 4y agoBut there is a lot of gradation between the USA and totalitarianism, and the EU is quite far from totalitarianism. Their vaccines were not only used by emergency approval. Maybe we should ask Assange about freedom of speech.
- croes 4y agoMandatory vaccination has existed and still exists in the USA, as opposed to a universal health care system.
- clever-leap 4y agoYes, you are right. Austria is not alone in this behaviour.
- dewey 4y agoIt's nice that they give people a public list of interesting websites in case they want to infringe on some copyrights.
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoDon't think it works like that. The people who didn't know about these site before probably didn't practice piracy at all anyway, so having this list of blocked websites won't help them now anyway as they can't access them easily now anyway. So IMHO these blocks mainly work at stopping Average Joes from accessing low-friction, low hanging fruit piracy and annoying them enough that they'd rather give Netflix 12 Euros than learn how to bypass these annoying restrictions.
- dewey 4y agoYou are probably right, it’s just funny that there’s a public list saying „don’t go there“ which kinda acts like a „forbidden books“ list making it more interesting.
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoFor broke kids with more free time than money, yeah learning to access forbidden pirate sites is cool and interesting, but since Austria is a relatively high income country, most people I know here don't bother with piracy at all and just pay for content anyway. So blocks like these will definitely discourage more Average Joes from low hanging fruit piracy and keep them as law-abiding paying customers rather than turning them into "hackers".
- dewey 4y agoIt was a joke, don't take it so seriously... But as an Austrian myself, piracy was alive and well when I was in the age group where that usually happens and many "regular" people used free streaming sites when kino.to and others were still popular.
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- hsbauauvhabzb 4y agoI live in a country that has also blocked piracy but at the DNS level (Australia, not Austria). I suspect that most anti piracy groups are now moving to long game by increasing the difficulty in getting to piracy websites rather than blocking them. I remember significantly more seeds on popular torrents in 2014 compared to now. I think this is a mix of streaming services as well as complexity of piracy. I do take solice in the fact that piracy will act as a disruptor in unruly markets. Advertisement breaks in streaming platforms, increased cost per service or service fragmentation and other user hostile activities will increase the rate of piracy, creating a balance between good and unscrupulous.
- mabbo 4y ago> but at the DNS level Isn't this a bit like taking the phone numbers out of the phone book? Sure, people can't easily look them up, but if you know the right numbers, you don't need that. Or is there more than that?
- Yujf 4y agoDns blocking is exactly like that. I don't live australia, but if I go to the piratebay for example with my isp dns I get a message it's blocked. If I change to google or cloudflare dns it works just fine
- lormayna 4y agoSeveral ISP have appliances that can inspect DNS traffic and redirect to a the ISP DNS. Then, even if you change DNS servers, you will be not able to reach blocked sites. The only way to bypass that, at the moment is to use DoH. Source: I have been worked for an ISP and I was in charge of that.
- politelemon 4y ago> Then, even if you change DNS servers, you will be not able to reach blocked sites. Is this done simply by intercepting UDP port 53 requests somehow? I've only ever had to intercept https as part of development, but have no idea how this would work for UDP. Any details you can share?
- scarfolk 4y agoMy ISP is Plusnet (a subsiduary of British Telecom) and half of those IPs resolve to http://www.ukispcourtorders.co.uk http://www.ukispcourtorders.co.uk. I don't know whether the DNS is being resolved first, but in the url it's listing the IP: http://www.ukispcourtorders.co.uk/?JNI_URL=104.21.36.27/&JNI_REASON=BY_USER_DEFINED&JNI_CATEGORY=court_order_category_1000 http://www.ukispcourtorders.co.uk/?JNI_URL=104.21.36.27/&JNI... ... My DNS is Quad9 over TLS.
- trasz 4y agoNot related to KiwiFarms by any chance? (From the downvotes I infer that cesspool is somewhat popular.)
- code_witch_sam 4y agokiwifarms needs to go away, yesterday. but this seems unrelated. piracy is a much bigger deal to these folks than doxxing, organized harassment, swatting, etc
- jacko0 4y agoWorks fine for me in the UK (M247), but when I use a German (Telecom) connection or UK (Plusnet) they are blocked.
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- DarkmSparks 4y agoOn the up side. Its only fair that Austria be put at an economic and scientific disadvantage for once. Well, whoever signed this off must have thought so anyway.
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoThey're way ahead of you on that. Much like its bigger cousin Germany, Austria is in general a dinosaur, technologically, culturally and politically. Low tech wages and archaic working practices, stuffy bureaucracy, cash and physical paperwork needed for many things, poorly developed, expensive and slow internet infrastructure, corrupt and idiot politicians who don't understand the modern technology sector, litigious politically connected companies who sue anyone they don't like and lobby for anti-consumer laws that only benefit their cartel, privacy regulations taken to the extreme which mainly protect the crooked and unlawful people and businesses from being known to the public, etc. This news isn't surprising to anyone familiar with Austria and these intelectual property bullies from the list of companies that got the Austrian court to block those IPs is just the tip of a huge shitty iceberg in Austrian tech & politics.
- fisf 4y agoHa, I reckon you live there. The description is pretty authentic.
- cloutchaser 4y agoThey’re also like world no 8 in gdp per capita. I think they’ll be ok.
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoGDP per capita isn't the be-all and end-al of statistics for defining a country's success. Just ask the residents of the Republic of Ireland, the country with the second highest GDP/capita in the EU, how they feel about this position. Sure, life is good here, if, you're not a tech worker, and that sector become more and more important in generating wealth, skilled jobs with a future, attracting skilled immigrants to pay taxes, and to project influence and soft power globally, that's why so many smart but not necessarily rich countries jumped to take advantage of this new sector (China most famously). So a high GDP per capita might not save you in the long run if every ambitious tech graduate is leaving your country to Switzerland, London, Germany, Ireland, SV, etc. for a better environment where they can grow their career and earn better salaries, which leads to most tech products and web services used in your country all coming from abroad because your domestic tech industry is shit since your country got complacent and decided to sleep through the tech revolution with the idea that you'll "be fine since we're 8th GDP/capita in the world".
- mmh0000 4y agoLong ago, I used to have my favorite pirate sites bookmarked and sometimes the IPs saved. Now, Yandex, is the great piracy search engine. Just type in what you want, and in what format you want it in, and it'll usually show up within the first 10 results. For example: https://yandex.com/search/?msid=1661717771857485-5251022424165336217-vla1-4614-vla-l7-balancer-8080-BAL-1365&text=Taylor+Swift+-+1989+flac https://yandex.com/search/?msid=1661717771857485-52510224241...
- coolspot 4y agoFor most things you can skip Yandex and go directly to the rutracker which would be the top result for most things anyway.
- ahmed_ds 4y agoYandex is a pretty good search engine. Yandex is essentially what people think DuckDuckGo is, on the other hand DuckDuckGo is essentially is just Bing.
- prox 4y agoIsn’t Yandex completely Russian? I usually get Yandex with my malware as well.
- zamadatix 4y agoMy impression was most use DuckDuckGo for privacy reasons so it's a bit surprising to read Yandex is supposed to be what people think DuckDuckGo is. Also DuckDuckGo sources from far more than just Bing and it does have its own crawler as well. My understanding of Yandex was that it's just another user-information-is-primary-income search provider this time HQ'd in Russia, neither of which exactly appealing to the typical DDG crowd. Though I'd throw Kagi out to anyone who puts a lot of weight on such things as being a more pure example than either.
- trompetenaccoun 4y agoSci-hub and LibGen blocked for Elsevier. So that only people able to pay hundreds of dollars have access tho scientific papers and books. Stay classy, "free" societies.
- manmal 4y agoFortunately some Scihub domains are not blocked in Austria, you just gotta try some.
- meibo 4y agoThis is very on-brand for the Austrian government, it somehow manages to be even worse at these things than the German one. Fun(and very disappointing) talk in German about their fuckups during the pandemic: https://media.ccc.de/v/gpn20-12-die-unterhaltsamsten-sterreichischen-it-fails-der-letzen-jahre-und-was-wir-daraus-lernen-knnen https://media.ccc.de/v/gpn20-12-die-unterhaltsamsten-sterrei...
- manmal 4y agoCourts act completely separate from the government actually, at least in Austria.
- austinpena 4y agoIronically, wouldn’t using WARP by Cloudflare solve this?
- quickthrower2 4y agoMalwarebytes won't let me near any of them. Take from that what you will (they are genuinely harmful, or someone wants them blocked, or a bit of both?)
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- zerof1l 4y agoDid a check with the Austiran VPN server. The block must be on DNS level only. Using google servers as DNS, for example, will bypass all of these blocks. Or you can run your own DNS server like Unbound.
- samstave 4y agoSo this is really interesting, when a fundamental fabric of the internet is run by a single company, and said government wants to target them, unilaterally or otherwise, some dark stuff can happen VERY fast. it doesnt matter what the issue is behind this blocking, it matters that we have no safety nets for gov blocks on thought.