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“Logistics”, an 857-hour movie, tracks a pedometer from shop back to factory
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- tasuki 4y ago> It was on, in front of my eyes, while I worked, ate and lived. Either you're working or you're watching a movie. I know people who claim they do both at the same time, but I don't think they're actually doing either.
- colinsane 4y ago“either you’re working or you’re listening to music”. the progression of my career has looked like this: - need total quiet: no music, no talking. - some music is fine: it can’t have lyrics though and it’s best if it’s more textural. - i can listen to (and process the lyrics to) hip hop and rap and still type. - i can listen to YouTube educationals and catch about a third of the content. - i can rewatch movies i’ve seen before and keep up with the important plot parts. sure, for the parts of the day where i’m working out differential equations or solving circuits and such, i go back to silence. but if 90% of your work is just plumbing values from one place to another… if you’ve progressed anywhere along that sequence i listed then i think it’s naive to take that simple “either/or” view of things.
- Swenrekcah 4y agoIt is in fact possible to do certain repetitive tasks and keep track of a simple movie or tv show at the same time. I find neither particularly enjoyable though.
- tasuki 4y agoYes, if one is doing menial work, sure. I thought the author was a writer, which is in my opinion creative work requiring full attention.
- Swenrekcah 4y agoThat’s true. Although now that I read the article, the quoted sentence comes right after they mentioned 9 hours of a stationary ship so I guess it’s possible to keep that on in the background and not miss the plot.
- joemi 4y agoThe author is a professional writer, so depending on what specific writing tasks they're doing, they may be able to do portions of their job almost automatically, devoting far less than full attention to their work. (I know a few writers who do this.) Additionally the movie is silent, so I'd imagine that leaves the language parts of the brain fairly free when watching the movie.
- akudha 4y agoMost people have no clue where/how everyday things are made. Reminds me of this video where a teenage girl was saying food comes from supermarkets, not farmers
- zdragnar 4y agoMy grandparents (who were farmers) would frequently joke that city folk always thought beets came from cans at the store and didn't know they grew in the ground. I imagine the same city folk laughed at all the things country rubes like my grandparents didn't know. Of course, one being the child of an immigrant and the other immigrating as a child, and quite poor to boot, they would have faced plenty of derision for that as well. IIRC they also didn't get indoor plumbing and toilets until the early 1950's, so they probably would have been laughed at for that too.
- 29athrowaway 4y agoIn 1957, the BBC pranked people for April Fools' day claiming that spaghetti comes form spaghetti trees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti-tree_hoax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti-tree_hoax
- KptMarchewa 4y agoThe video is worth a watch' https://youtu.be/tVo_wkxH9dU https://youtu.be/tVo_wkxH9dU
- lumost 4y agoIt does make one wonder how long the supply chain can get before people forget what's on the other side of it. The Roman's only had a vague concept of how silk was made and where it came from. The Chinese a vague idea of daqin, the opposite of the Qin empire. A farmer be forgiven for believing that their fertilizer is made from manure and not petrochemicals made thousands of miles away?
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- manytree 4y agoWhat a lovely article and piece. Tremendous. I don’t think I will make such a commitment to this film as did the author, but in a way I feel it is perhaps the only way to understand it: at the speed of undilated time.
- rahimnathwani 4y agoI really enjoyed Ascension https://g.co/kgs/agLbnp https://g.co/kgs/agLbnp
- lifeisstillgood 4y agoI want to see (edited highlights) of the film now. It is extraordinary but then again it's just "the container will be here in three weeks"
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- sailingparrot 4y ago72 minutes edit [1]. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYFG0xP12yE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYFG0xP12yE
- logisticsfilm 4y agoActually we did not create this, its made out of 2 minute clips we hosted on our web page a few years back. The original film has no sound.
- lifeisstillgood 4y agoWell thank you for creating such an amazing piece of ... art / documentary / politics. Please do tell us where we can see the full work / where it is available.
- collegeburner 4y agoin the same vein (tho lots shorter) i reccomend giving I, Pencil a read: https://fee.org/resources/i-pencil/ https://fee.org/resources/i-pencil/
- logisticsfilm 4y agooh nice! didn't know about this book.
- gurumeditations 4y agoSo much fluff I couldn’t finish it.
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- UIUC_06 4y ago> However, if Logistics showed me anything, it’s that time belongs to the working people of this world, when we can find ways to take it. So deep. So profound. > Logistics is the filmic annihilation of capitalist relations to time by a force of ultra-cinematic space. Logistics isn’t a feat of temporal duration, it’s a feat of spatial presence. Such overwrought prose. Such "forcing everything into a Marxist framework." Leonard A. Read talked about the pencil and how no one person could possibly make one, in 1958: https://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl.html?chapter_num=2#book-reader https://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl.html?chapter_n... and he wasn't the first, either. The supply chain expands, but the principle stays the same.
- lisper 4y ago> Such overwrought prose. Such "forcing everything into a Marxist framework." One of the reasons Marx is so popular is that his writing is vague enough that people can read a very wide range of meaning into the words. Religious leaders and politicians often follow the same playbook to great success.
- bsenftner 4y agoMy art school friends used to point out "artful ambiguity" as a key success factor beneath religious leaders, political movements and pop music.
- kqr 4y agoSure, also "early access" video games. People are willing to pay a lot for them because it is still ambiguous enough that everyone can imagine it will turn out into specifically their future vision.
- eternalban 4y agohttps://content.csbs.utah.edu/~ehrbar/cap1.pdf https://content.csbs.utah.edu/~ehrbar/cap1.pdf For those interested, I recommend Michael Heinrich's biography of Marx ('Karl Marx and the Birth of Modern Society'; volume 1 covers the young Marx up to the end of his studies and delves deep into the intellectual and political context of that time in Germany and Europe. Very informative.) His 'An Introduction to the Three Volumes of Karl Marx's Capital' is on my to-read list: https://files.libcom.org/files/Karl%20Marx%20and%20the%20Birth%20of%20Modern%20Society%20-%20Michael%20Heinrich.pdf https://files.libcom.org/files/Karl%20Marx%20and%20the%20Bir... https://files.libcom.org/files/Michael_Heinrich,_Alex_Locascio-An_Introduction_to_the_Three_Volumes_of_Karl_Marx_s_Capital-Monthly_Review_Press,U.S.(2012).pdf https://files.libcom.org/files/Michael_Heinrich,_Alex_Locasc...
- codeflo 4y agoSo the entire freighter journey is shown in real time, to show how “crushing” (a word used in the article) capitalism is? Because before capitalism, there were no freight ships, or what?
- iforgotpassword 4y agoBefore "capitalism" (globalization really I guess), you were eating apples from your neighbor's garden, wearing shoes made by your town's shoemaker, not from half around the world.
- Manuel_D 4y agoThis is not correct, the ancient world and the ancient Mediterranean especially saw food get transported by sea. Rome.had to import much of it's food, for instance, as did Athens.
- iforgotpassword 4y agoWell you're not wrong, but that was still the exception, and on a smaller scale. So maybe food wasn't the best example to get my point across. Like you said, they had to, it's not like some clever Roman said "hey you know what, I'll just buy cheap stuff from overseas to make more money and then fuck our farmers." Nobody sent locally harvested produce for processing to a country half around the world and then back. Or look at when ancient Rome and China did trade. That was for luxury goods, not for basic household items the average Joe would buy.
- cptnapalm 4y agoExpand that to things like olive oil, wine, lumber, jewelry, and the like, you'd have to go back before the bronze age.
- dijit 4y agoNot sure that’s the strongest take you could have made. Some things cannot reasonably be produced domestically. Some things are about attempting to shrink labour costs. It’s cheaper for Britain to send its shellfish to China to be de-shelled by hand, then send it back than it is to pay some folks to do it in the UK (or mechanise the task). This is an extreme example (and a real one) that highlights what the parent is talking about. Even when accounting for the human, fuel, cooling and spoilage cost of shipping around the world it’s “cheaper”, but that doesn’t make sense to me because at the end of it there is much less fuel and much less fish than it would have otherwise been. There’s also not a strong reason to buy shoes made in China except for economic reasons, and more recently supply chain ones. We can weave fabrics and we have domestic cotton. However, the economics (pushed cheaper by dirt cheap freight) are emphasising a global supply chain where one isn’t needed in most cases. I’m picking on China a bit but it applies to basically everything where the labour is cheaper and the supply chain bends itself in a more inefficient path (everything else being equal) to capitalise(heh) on the lower labour costs.
- boomboomsubban 4y agoI think I could handle watching the boat, 857 hours of silence would drive me insane. I wonder if they supplemented their own background music.
- RajT88 4y agoStill. For my tastes at least, this is time better spent than The Cremaster Cycle.
- drdebug 4y agoYou don't have kids do you? Silence is under-rated.
- chha 4y agoNot quite that long, but the Norwegian national broadcaster NRK did a week-long trip one one of the coastal shipping routes in the nortern part of the country. Might be of interest for you. I know they used to offer the whole thing as a torrent, but it can also be found here: https://tv.nrk.no/serie/hurtigruten-minutt-for-minutt https://tv.nrk.no/serie/hurtigruten-minutt-for-minutt
- wingworks 4y agoThere is a 3 hour "movie" of the train trip through the middle of the Australian desert. (Adelaide to Darwin). Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gotY2slaL_E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gotY2slaL_E
- rendall 4y ago> Going on the Logistics journey means encountering a staggering depiction of alienation, isolation and just how much capitalist social relations have distorted our ability to understand time and space. Bit of a stretch. Would anarchist shipping take less time or be less boring somehow?
- exitb 4y agoOne could question the decision to make the pedometer on the other side of the world. Or even its necessity in the first place.
- UIUC_06 4y agoOne could, if "one" were an intellectual who thought himself qualified to question everything, because reasons. Someone wants a pedometer, and magically, or not so magically, one appears on a shelf near them, or on their doorstep.
- sixstringtheory 4y agoWhy did they want the pedometer? Did they come to that desire in isolation, or were they advertised to by the pedometer maker?
- UIUC_06 4y agoMaybe they're humans with agency? Just a thought.
- robswc 4y agoI feel this line of thinking leads to no where. What is "in isolation"? I'd honestly be shocked if the majority of people buying this pedometer were buying it due to an ad of any sort. Seems more likely they simply needed a pedometer. They needed one because they wanted to count steps... etc, etc, eudemonia
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- vachina 4y agoHow did you conclude it was communism/socialism that enabled them to benefit from capitalism’s extremes? Or is this another attempt at “China Bad”?
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- dang 4y agoPlease don't take HN threads further into generic ideological arguments. Those are extremely repetitive and therefore off topic here. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=generic%20ideolog%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20repetition%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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- idiocrat 4y agoHere is more of container shipping pron. A container ship is sailing through a water highway, docks. The containers are getting unloaded/loaded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h16zyxiwDLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h16zyxiwDLY
- ThinkingGuy 4y agoAlso worth a listen: the Omega Tau podcast episode on container ships: https://omegataupodcast.net/146-container-shipping/ https://omegataupodcast.net/146-container-shipping/
- 7373737373 4y agoAlso this one by JeffHK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHrCI9eSJGQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHrCI9eSJGQ
- wizardforhire 4y agoWhile not nearly as harrowing a journey nor the commitment as watching the film described in this article, reading this article in its entirety was surprisingly riveting and oddly fulfilling.
- permo-w 4y agoI found the opposite. to me it felt like retracing the same two - admittedly interesting and valuable - meta points over and over*, while refusing to describe what the film was actually like to watch. I assume it did actually get to that point, but I stopped reading after the nth paragraph that I didn’t feel provided any new information. this isn’t to say you’re wrong to enjoy it, or that my impressions were correct, just that I felt differently. I’m also extremely aware of the irony of complaining about the length of an article about the experience of watching an 857 hour film, but c’est la, as they say *i.e. how it is an art piece about capitalism compressing time and space into innocuous objects; and how much of a time and schedule commitment it was for him
- forgotmypw17 4y agoThe crazy part is that this journey is only the tip of the iceberg for this pedometer. It is made of many components, all of which follow similar journeys to the pedometer factory from their respective factories. And the components are made of raw materials, which are also shipped around in a similar manner after being mined. And the mining itself displaces those who live in that space.
- 7373737373 4y agoI, Pencil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67tHtpac5ws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67tHtpac5ws
- thefourthchime 4y agoThanks, that was great
- capableweb 4y agoThat's a great perspective to have on what it takes to make even the simplest things, like a pencil. Unfortunately, (but not unsurprising), Friedman makes the grand claim that capitalism crates harmony in the world at the end of the video, but besides that, it was a interesting and quick watch. Thanks for sharing it.
- ed 4y ago> Unfortunately What’s the argument against capitalism/international trade in this context? Trade increases the cost of war, which is a good thing, right?
- amelius 4y agoIt's a one-sided view. Capitalism has many problems. The video only highlights a possible advantage.
- squarefoot 4y agoIt's an insightful video, however it doesn't mention the possibility that workers can be exploited through unfair wages, work hours or conditions, so that the various parts of the pencil industry can cut higher margins. Choosing an economic system vs another isn't enough.
- caymanjim 4y agoWhy did they do this backwards? It sounds like they took the trip in reverse. I thought they recorded it forward (tracking an actual object the whole time) and presented it in reverse, but it looks like they didn't actually follow a real object. They just chose a path and took the path in reverse, using the types of transportation that such an object might in theory have taken: > They write that, “Four years later we found ourselves on the largest container ship in the world on our way from Sweden to China.” As per the trip: “We had started the journey by truck to Middle Sweden, then by freight train to the port of Gothenburg, and after four weeks at sea, we filmed from a truck again, this time from the port of Shenzhen to a factory in Bao’an.” The idea of following a single, real object from point of manufacture to destination--documenting all the transfers and hiccups along the way--is interesting to me. Presenting it in reverse chronological order is an artistic decision I'm ambivalent about. But it doesn't sound like that's what they did. They didn't track a pedometer; they just took freight vehicles along a path that maybe the thing went on, without following the actual transfer of the item from box to container, from truck to ship, etc. I'm disappointed. I was ready to actually watch the whole thing. But it's contrived.
- gizajob 4y agoIt's only contrived in the way all art is contrived. The very idea of an 857 hour move mostly filming the bridge of a containership is a contrivance in the extreme.
- logisticsfilm 4y agoAbsolutely, the best thing would have been to actually follow a specific, unique product. We tried for one and a half years to get the company where we bought the pedometer to cooperate with us. It was impossible. But we managed to get the company to tell us which route they used in most cases.
- alexvoda 4y agoIn that case, since the ship sailed to China not form China, I find it surprising that the ship arrived full in China. I thought China exports dwarf their imports, and there would have been plenty of times a ship returns below full capacity to China. I wonder what were they importing on that ship.
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- permo-w 4y agothe mid-section of this article is just rephrased paragraph after rephrased paragraph, each less philosophically sound than the last. we get it, the film is an art piece making a point about how capitalism compresses time and space into inconsequential objects. it was a big undertaking schedule-wise. you don’t have to say this backwards and forwards 5 times compress your article space and time-wise
- radicality 4y agoIs it available anywhere? Article says was on Vimeo but that it was taken down. I don’t see any info on their page either https://logisticsartproject.com/ https://logisticsartproject.com/ I wonder how large (in file size) the final cut was and what codecs were used. Such slow moving footage probably compresses well, but at 857 hours of footage it’s probably still big.
- logisticsfilm 4y agoWe had the film on Vimeo for a year but had to take it down due to the cost of Vimeo hosting. The original film is around 10TB of mpeg2 1080p 25mbit/sec 25 frames per second. We later transcoded to h264, it now clocks in at about 2TB.
- chaostheory 4y agoOut of curiosity, why aren’t you on other platforms? Is it mainly due to the size, maintaining rights, or a combination?
- logisticsfilm 4y agoSize and rights are definitely an aspect, but so is context. If we were to upload this to YouTube for example we imagine that the film would be interrupted by commercial breaks every now and then. Plus there is the 12 hour length limit. We did livestream it on Youtube back when you could opt out of commercials. And in a way a livestream is our preferred way of showing the work but doing so from home forces us to make sure the stream is running 24/7 for 37 days...
- philistine 4y agoYeah, you should definitely find a way to stream it from a third location. You have the same problem as the lofi girl stream: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jfKfPfyJRdk https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jfKfPfyJRdk Before their problem with content ID last month, their stream had been uninterrupted for two years.
- logisticsfilm 4y agoHi there, creators of Logistics here. Super happy to see this featured on Hacker News. Feel free to ask us anything! official site is logisticsartproject.com
- gtsop 4y agoWhere can we see it?
- logisticsfilm 4y agoRight now only at the library at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. We had the full film up on Vimeo for a year but it was too expensive too keep it there. Its hard to find a good cheap place to host a movie of this length.
- madmod 4y agoCan I please buy a copy?
- logisticsfilm 4y agounfortunately its not for sale, but we are actively looking for a place to host it as a VOD again. Send us an email if you want to be notified if and when its available again. (email in profile)
- chrismiller 4y agoWould love to help you get this back online if you are interested! Happy to host it or point you in the right direction if you'd like to do it yourself.
- logisticsfilm 4y agoSounds great! Our email is in our profile.
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- hef19898 4y agoNot a critique if the film, but rather the article ablut it: >> Logistics may have been birthed into this world in 2012, but the past few years have given the film a second life, with the pandemic laying bare the fragility of just-in-time logistics. I so hoped we got past that already... JIT had nothing to do, as a root cause that is, with the supply issues the world is facing since the pandemic. I hate this meme so much. That being said, I live the film project! Even if I would never watch 35 days plus on part of my day job, the idea is great so!
- crabmusket 4y agoDo you have a good resource for getting to grips with the current supply issues going on around the world? I'm sure there isn't just a single issue responsible for the huge variety of symptoms cropping up, but it'd be great to get past the memes and get some deeper understanding.
- hef19898 4y agoThe wikipage for the Bullwhip effect is a good place to start. The ASCM has some blog posts about this topic as well (https://www.ascm.org/ascm-insights/ https://www.ascm.org/ascm-insights/). At the core of the current problems are the demand and aupply shocks caused by Covid and lockdowns early on in the pandemic. You can think of it as the same thing that impacted toilet paper, just on a global scale across all industries. Tgen we had the mess of containers not being where they should be (again, due to covid lockdowns and shipping disruptions) which made a recovery from the lockdown induced disruptions difficult. On top of that we have the war in Ukraine, which cut of Ukraine and Russia from flobal trade. While it seems that everything is coming from Ukraine at the moment, it is true that some things do, especially food stuffs and automotive parts. That happened while global supply chains still coped with the effects of Covid disruptions. What JIT did, again not as a root cause, was to make these disruptions being felt much faster due to lower inventory levels. Not that any JIT was in place between suppliers in China and customers in, e.g. Europe so. With that long trabsportation lead times JIT is just impossible. Tge alternative so, having huge buffer stocks, would have helped neither. Simply because one component shortage can bring supply chains down. Holding ebough stock of everything to buffer those global issues would require so much inventory that nobody can afford it, or the resulting products. High inventory has its own challenges so, and not per se resilient. In the puplic mind JIT is associated with zero inventory (JIT aims for the minimum inventory which is never zero in reality). The current issues are, in the publics view, easily explained by insufficient inventory (which they are not). So it is easy to combine those two and blame JIT for everything.
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- causality0 4y agojust how much capitalist social relations have distorted our ability to understand time and space. This is meaningless bullshit. The fact you can purchase, for an hour's wage, a digital pedometer than was built on one continent from raw materials from another and then shipped to a third is a breathtaking triumph.
- kqr 4y agoFor whom? The hundreds or thousands of people who need to be exploited under harsh conditions to make it a reality? Or the one person who gets a gadget?
- drited 4y agoThe author mentioned that they started out looking for the world's longest horror film but ended up finding a film which exposes capitalism's underbelly and brings home why life is turned into a blur by capitalism. If you ask me though, based on this paragraph they did actually find the world's longest horror film! As for the anti-capitalism hints in the article, try watching an 857 hour film without starving in a non-capitalist economy! "There came a point about three weeks into my viewing where the maddening, non-Euclidean shape of Logistics fully formed in my mind. I had an unnerving migraine. I could barely get myself together, let alone watch a boat not move for nine hours. I thought about quitting or taking a few days off, but then it occurred to me: the crew of the ship couldn’t quit, and the filmmakers couldn’t take a day off. I was now a part of this filmic thing, and I couldn’t stop until it was done."
- mpalmer 4y agoWas the author inspired by the filmmakers not to edit this piece down to a sensible, non-redundant length?
- keepquestioning 4y agoContainer ships seem very inefficient. Is that why shipping from taobao is horrible?
- wingworks 4y agoDepends what you pay for.
- neilv 4y agoIf this were an ambient display on a wall in a living space or work space, I wonder what effect that would have on mood and mode.
- Aachen 4y agoI use a simple webview browser on Android because it's 10x faster than something heavy like Firefox. Every few months I come across a site, like this one, where the page flashes into the screen before being redirected to a data URI. Does anyone know what causes this? I'm inclined to think of trackers and ads, but it's a bit hard to debug without developer tools. This is what the submission redirects me to, a 1x1 image the browser says: data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==
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- varajelle 4y agoHow is quoting the Bible, by your metric? Hitler's idea where bad from the start, while Marx ideas where just an implementation issue.
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- mitchdoogle 4y agoWhat's the body count of capitalism? How would you even go about calculating that? The slave trade is surely capitalism, right? If you want to argue in bad faith, it's easy to argue in bad faith right back at you.
- alfor 4y agoCapitalism improved the live of billions of people.
- imtringued 4y agoIt would make more sense to blame Stalin if you want to pin it on a specific person.
- TulliusCicero 4y ago> I Watched An 857-Hour Movie To Encounter Capitalism’s Extremes International trade is not the same thing as capitalism. International trade existed before capitalism, and if capitalism disappeared tomorrow, short of everyone simultaneously adopting anarcho-primitivism, we would still have trade between nations.
- incompatible 4y agoI think ideally we'd have shared information (open source hardware designs) and distributed manufacturing. This would be a bit more robust, and avoid shipping, while making repair and recycling a lot easier.
- TulliusCicero 4y agoI think that would mitigate some problems, but you'd still have many situations where specialization + transportation is cheaper (and even less energy intensive) than full decentralization. And in any case, that's mostly orthogonal to capitalism. Capitalism is far from the only economic system where people keep secrets.
- zzzeek 4y agoyes this article seemed very obsessed with capitalism more than the movie itself. does the theory of marxism hold that there would be no more container ships, no products shared between nations, no people whose job it is to drive ships, trains and trucks anymore? that's all specific to capitalism? really? like if I wanted a pedometer, someone down the street would be making them ? or we just have no gadgets at all?
- robswc 4y ago>like if I wanted a pedometer, someone down the street would be making them ? If I wanted to strawman marxists, yes; that is what they believe ;) To be more real, eh... if you look at how soviets did their planning they really did attempt to have everything "within 15 minutes." While that probably doesn't apply to something as specific as a pedometer... they do tend to extend that philosophy as far as it will go... reasonably or not.
- readerbaza 4y agoSo...buying items made in your country is an extreme right winger thing. And if you buy shitty stuff from communist china then it's exteme capitalism. Would you watch a real time "movie" of the countless man-years it took to design and develop the infrastructure that made it possible for you to "watch", write and publish about this? I thought so.