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I was part of the 10% Elon's layoff yesterday

95 points by nixass 4y ago

greenyoda 4y ago
> Q: How did they go about doing it? What was the package they offered? > A: Clinical. Boss: hey have some news! Me: cool. Boss: you’re fired, we have a meeting. Hr: over teams, you gotta go. Walked out. The whole thing took 15 mins and 5 of that was walking. Scripted… BS. 1 week of pay for 10 years. Lol
- juve1996 4y ago
  1 week of severance pay for 10 years?? Jesus...
  - ggm 4y ago
    There is apparently a group lawsuit in hypothesis. (I read this in the reddit stream)
    - AnimalMuppet 4y ago
      Pretty sure "hypothesis" isn't the word you want there...
      - ggm 4y ago
        They filed, its not hypothetical. agree.
    - nradov 4y ago
      Yes some of the laid off employees are suing Tesla for not providing the legally required advance notice. https://www.reuters.com/business/tesla-sued-by-former-employees-over-mass-layoff-2022-06-20/ https://www.reuters.com/business/tesla-sued-by-former-employ...
  - sct202 4y ago
    My friend who got laid off from Sears got way more than that! I can't believe one of the highest valued companies in the world gives out less than a husk of a company.
  - twiddling 4y ago
    Hell IBM when I was there was doing a 1 week for every 6 months of service. 1 week for 10 years? Pretty rude life lesson
  - meetingthrower 4y ago
    No crap - I got 2 weeks from a dead startup where I worked 8 months. Come on. But re: above comments. Getting laid off was the best thing that ever happened to me. Never thought of a job the same again. You may love company, but company never loves back.
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docmechanic 4y ago
Ah, the group layoff. Happened to me once, and even our manager didn't rate an individual firing. Tipped off beforehand, I arrived in a white T-shirt marked up with "People Before Profits." Absolutely ridiculous that they offered him one week severance after ten years service. Worker protection in America is abysmal.
- frosted-flakes 4y ago
  There's an ongoing class action lawsuit that "Tesla broke US law by not providing 60-day notice before mass layoff", and according to the article, Tesla will likely have to pay back-pay. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/06/lawsuit-tesla-broke-us-law-by-not-providing-60-day-notice-before-mass-layoff/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/06/lawsuit-tesla-br...
  - docmechanic 4y ago
    Hope they win. "I find it very concerning that the richest man in the world considers it 'trivial' that his company is blatantly violating federal labor law [enacted] to protect workers," the plaintiffs' attorney, Shannon Liss-Riordan, told WRAL TechWire. "While two months [of] pay certainly doesn't matter to him, it matters a lot to the employees who made his company what it is.""
BonoboIO 4y ago
1 week severance pay for 10 years. This hits hard. „What is something you wish people would understand about tesla that they just blatantly don't?“ „ The vast majority of the people that work there are genuinely interested in bettering the world and making a good product. Most of the salaried people in engineering work 12 hours/day and are on call, because they feel they should be, all the time. Even while on vacation. They give it their all every day for years for less pay than the industry norm. 95% of them are so dedicated that they stay far longer than they should. They are genuinely hurt when the company is burned on the news. They believe in the cause and 1% of the population cares.“ They care for the company so much, but the company does not care about them.
- drowsspa 4y ago
  And the guy still talks about "changing the culture of the company". Still drinks the Kool-Aid...
  - BonoboIO 4y ago
    As long as Elon is there, nothing will change.
- Ferrotin 4y ago
  Obviously. The company exists to sell electric cars, not to “care” about workers. Their relationship with workers is to trade money for work.
  - Schroedingersat 4y ago
    > Their relationship with workers is to trade money for work. Their relationship with workers is to extract as much work as possible by ajy means possible. This is primarily through manipulation and gaslighting, although money is part of the equation.
    - Ferrotin 4y ago
      What on earth are you talking about? The workers got promised they’d work on electric cars. And then they worked on electric cars. Please identify the gaslighting and manipulation.
sdfhdhjdw3 4y ago
> What is something you wish people would understand about tesla that they just blatantly don't? > The vast majority of the people that work there are genuinely interested in bettering the world and making a good product. Most of the salaried people in engineering work 12 hours/day and are on call, because they feel they should be, all the time. Even while on vacation. They give it their all every day for years for less pay than the industry norm. 95% of them are so dedicated that they stay far longer than they should. They are genuinely hurt when the company is burned on the news. They believe in the cause and 1% of the population cares. Is it just me or these people are morons? They bought into a billionaire telling them that they doing the hard work while he holds the stock is working for bettering the world... Come on!
- drowsspa 4y ago
  Indeed, you know those HR meetings that we always pretend to care and believe the company mission, while commenting afterwards with your co-workers how cringe it all sounded? Does that not happen in Silicon Valley? What I learned is that people in Silicon Valley actually do drink the Kool-Aid. They may come from top universities, be technically knowledgeable, make a million dollars a year but yeah, I can't think of a more charitable word than "moron".
  - chii 4y ago
    > I can't think of a more charitable word than "moron". how about just naivety? until you truly get burned, you'd want to believe that other people would have good intentions.
    - voakbasda 4y ago
      But do they actually learn? Or ignore the sunk cost of living in the Bay Area and proceed to drink another flavor?
      - nowherebeen 4y ago
        I think cost of living in so high that many have no choice but to drink the koolaid. Software engineers in the US gets paid the highest in the world. The price for it is to become a part of the culture. It's sad, but how else will they be able to afford having a family?
runamok 4y ago
Here's the best part: "I don’t need kid gloves but a week of severance for 10 years is absolutely a fuck you." What in the hell? I have been laid off from an imploding startup and gotten more severance with less "time served".
t0bia_s 4y ago
Anyone can write this. How you can trust this source?
- ramblerman 4y ago
  Likely the source is real, but reddit will be quick to base whole narratives of one anecdote, from one man.

95 points by nixass 4y ago

> Q: How did they go about doing it? What was the package they offered? > A: Clinical. Boss: hey have some news! Me: cool. Boss: you’re fired, we have a meeting. Hr: over teams, you gotta go. Walked out. The whole thing took 15 mins and 5 of that was walking. Scripted… BS. 1 week of pay for 10 years. Lol

juve1996 4y ago
1 week of severance pay for 10 years?? Jesus...
- ggm 4y ago
  There is apparently a group lawsuit in hypothesis. (I read this in the reddit stream)
  - AnimalMuppet 4y ago
    Pretty sure "hypothesis" isn't the word you want there...
    - ggm 4y ago
      They filed, its not hypothetical. agree.
  - nradov 4y ago
    Yes some of the laid off employees are suing Tesla for not providing the legally required advance notice. https://www.reuters.com/business/tesla-sued-by-former-employees-over-mass-layoff-2022-06-20/ https://www.reuters.com/business/tesla-sued-by-former-employ...
- sct202 4y ago
  My friend who got laid off from Sears got way more than that! I can't believe one of the highest valued companies in the world gives out less than a husk of a company.
- twiddling 4y ago
  Hell IBM when I was there was doing a 1 week for every 6 months of service. 1 week for 10 years? Pretty rude life lesson
- meetingthrower 4y ago
  No crap - I got 2 weeks from a dead startup where I worked 8 months. Come on. But re: above comments. Getting laid off was the best thing that ever happened to me. Never thought of a job the same again. You may love company, but company never loves back.

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docmechanic 4y ago

Ah, the group layoff. Happened to me once, and even our manager didn't rate an individual firing. Tipped off beforehand, I arrived in a white T-shirt marked up with "People Before Profits." Absolutely ridiculous that they offered him one week severance after ten years service. Worker protection in America is abysmal.

frosted-flakes 4y ago
There's an ongoing class action lawsuit that "Tesla broke US law by not providing 60-day notice before mass layoff", and according to the article, Tesla will likely have to pay back-pay. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/06/lawsuit-tesla-broke-us-law-by-not-providing-60-day-notice-before-mass-layoff/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/06/lawsuit-tesla-br...
- docmechanic 4y ago
  Hope they win. "I find it very concerning that the richest man in the world considers it 'trivial' that his company is blatantly violating federal labor law [enacted] to protect workers," the plaintiffs' attorney, Shannon Liss-Riordan, told WRAL TechWire. "While two months [of] pay certainly doesn't matter to him, it matters a lot to the employees who made his company what it is.""

BonoboIO 4y ago

1 week severance pay for 10 years. This hits hard. „What is something you wish people would understand about tesla that they just blatantly don't?“ „ The vast majority of the people that work there are genuinely interested in bettering the world and making a good product. Most of the salaried people in engineering work 12 hours/day and are on call, because they feel they should be, all the time. Even while on vacation. They give it their all every day for years for less pay than the industry norm. 95% of them are so dedicated that they stay far longer than they should. They are genuinely hurt when the company is burned on the news. They believe in the cause and 1% of the population cares.“ They care for the company so much, but the company does not care about them.

drowsspa 4y ago
And the guy still talks about "changing the culture of the company". Still drinks the Kool-Aid...
- BonoboIO 4y ago
  As long as Elon is there, nothing will change.
Ferrotin 4y ago
Obviously. The company exists to sell electric cars, not to “care” about workers. Their relationship with workers is to trade money for work.
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  > Their relationship with workers is to trade money for work. Their relationship with workers is to extract as much work as possible by ajy means possible. This is primarily through manipulation and gaslighting, although money is part of the equation.
  - Ferrotin 4y ago
    What on earth are you talking about? The workers got promised they’d work on electric cars. And then they worked on electric cars. Please identify the gaslighting and manipulation.

sdfhdhjdw3 4y ago

> What is something you wish people would understand about tesla that they just blatantly don't? > The vast majority of the people that work there are genuinely interested in bettering the world and making a good product. Most of the salaried people in engineering work 12 hours/day and are on call, because they feel they should be, all the time. Even while on vacation. They give it their all every day for years for less pay than the industry norm. 95% of them are so dedicated that they stay far longer than they should. They are genuinely hurt when the company is burned on the news. They believe in the cause and 1% of the population cares. Is it just me or these people are morons? They bought into a billionaire telling them that they doing the hard work while he holds the stock is working for bettering the world... Come on!

drowsspa 4y ago
Indeed, you know those HR meetings that we always pretend to care and believe the company mission, while commenting afterwards with your co-workers how cringe it all sounded? Does that not happen in Silicon Valley? What I learned is that people in Silicon Valley actually do drink the Kool-Aid. They may come from top universities, be technically knowledgeable, make a million dollars a year but yeah, I can't think of a more charitable word than "moron".
- chii 4y ago
  > I can't think of a more charitable word than "moron". how about just naivety? until you truly get burned, you'd want to believe that other people would have good intentions.
  - voakbasda 4y ago
    But do they actually learn? Or ignore the sunk cost of living in the Bay Area and proceed to drink another flavor?
    - nowherebeen 4y ago
      I think cost of living in so high that many have no choice but to drink the koolaid. Software engineers in the US gets paid the highest in the world. The price for it is to become a part of the culture. It's sad, but how else will they be able to afford having a family?

runamok 4y ago

Here's the best part: "I don’t need kid gloves but a week of severance for 10 years is absolutely a fuck you." What in the hell? I have been laid off from an imploding startup and gotten more severance with less "time served".

t0bia_s 4y ago

Anyone can write this. How you can trust this source?

ramblerman 4y ago
Likely the source is real, but reddit will be quick to base whole narratives of one anecdote, from one man.