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• anonporridge 4y ago
  It looks like you currently can't order without Windows bundled. Will there be an option to order the kit without Windows for a reduced price?
  • garettmd 4y ago
    There's an option to order without any OS installed
    • anonporridge 4y ago
      Hmm. It seems like the homepage link to the DIY order was incorrectly directing to the prebuilt option. But it's fixed now.
• yasing 4y ago
  what are the specs on the expansion cards? looks like usb-c.. why not let order with 0 expansion cards and use a dongle of my choosing?
  • MMS21 4y ago
    I think can you do that with the DIY edition.
    • nrp 4y ago
      You can, but we don't recommend it. Many/most USB-C cables are too thick to properly plug directly into the internal USB-C receptacles, which would make it hard to plug in and put stress on it.
    • yasing 4y ago
      missed that option. thanks!
  • Brian_K_White 4y ago
    You can with the diy version, but don't do that. Even if you only want 4 usbc ports, get 4 usbc modules and don't be a baby about the 4x$9 for passthrough cards that don't even have electronics. The usbc port inside the module bay is directly soldered to the motherboard. The module and bay serve as an important prophylactic to protect the usbc port from damage. I would only use the real port inside as a backup when some module breaks or is lost or something. It IS useful, and IS an explicit selling point (to me anyway) that you have the option to do something like plug a power supply or hub or dongle directly in there instead of it being a proprietary connector, but that doesn't mean do it regularly, especially not if the machine is being used in a portable manner where you're always plugging and unplugging.
• sireat 4y ago
  Please, more country availability! I've been waiting for 12th gen Alder Lake availability and am ready to pay. However as a EU citizen from one of the Baltic states I am unable to do so. Please, tell us that this year any EU citizen will be able to order a Framework laptop. I could not even find which friends in which countries to ask to order Framework for me.. It used to be US then UK, and I know there are a few other ones. Combined with a waitlist the logistics are painful. At least I hope that signing up for the waitlist from a specific country counts as something.
  • mattclarkdotnet 4y ago
    Can't you use a parcel forwarding service?
    • dale_glass 4y ago
      Why can't Framework? It can't be a new need, and shipping stuff to Europe isn't a new concept. Plus, given that the EU exists, why is it any more troublesome to ship to one of the EU countries than another?
• stingraycharles 4y ago
  I was waiting for the availability of the US international keyboard for DIY builds, but I got an even better present today. I have just made my preorder, surprised to see that a 1280P CPU with 64GB RAM is very reasonably priced! I was in the market for a MacBook Pro / max upgrades as well, mind you, so effectively I also saved a lot of money (I believe at least a $1k price difference). I use Linux as my daily driver, super happy to see the better support here as well. All in all, thank you for making a refreshing change in this market.
• waiseristy 4y ago
  What style of touchpad does the device have? Is it a force sensor style (macbook), hinged (most recent thinkpads), or one-big-button (also some thinkpads had this)? I absolutely despise the hinged touchpad on my thinkpad as you can't click unless you're pushing on the bottom half of the touchpad. A force sensor touchpad alone would make me put in an order for a framework laptop
  • canadaduane 4y ago
    It is hinged.
    • waiseristy 4y ago
      Ah, that's a bummer. Ok!
  • yencabulator 4y ago
    I can click the framework v1 touchpad with my fingernail touching the chassis above it. Half a finger width lower the resistance is more reasonable. One finger width down from the top the feel is pretty much the same as closer to the bottom.
• hajile 4y ago
  Notebookcheck says that the 1240p actually performs BETTER than the 1260p due to thermals. Is this true for the new Framework laptop? https://www.notebookcheck.net/Core-i5-beats-Core-i7-Alder-Lake-P-creates-problems-for-manufacturers-and-customers.621251.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Core-i5-beats-Core-i7-Alder-La...
• rochansinha 4y ago
  Any information when it will launch in India?
• etbusch 4y ago
  Do you have any preliminary specs on how battery life differs between these and the 11th gen equivalents?
  • nrp 4y ago
    In use battery life is largely the same, though Intel has added some additional features with 12th Gen Intel Core that can improve in-use power consumption in some scenarios. The main optimizations we were able to land were in standby power consumption. For Windows users, this means longer Modern Standby before going into Hibernate. For Linux, more importantly since hibernate is atypical, it means being able to leave your laptop unplugged for much longer when not in use.
    • etbusch 4y ago
      Better standby performance is great news, as I know it's not all Framework's fault for the inconsistent standby power drain on the current models.
    • travisby 4y ago
      The standby performance was what kept me from buying a previous gen frame.work despite loving the mission and wanting to support y'all. I was holding my time until either the efficiency cores came along (if that has any improvement in standby? I'm not even sure) or if you ended up making AMD where I believe S3 sleep states still exist. Very exciting to hear there's an improvement in this generation. Is that improvement due to intel changes, or due to frame.work changes? Can you quantify the standby improvement for linux in watts or battery % / 24h? Does battery life significantly change between processor models? Congrats on the refresh launch!
      • nrp 4y ago
        This is a combination of hardware and firmware improvements by both Intel on 12th Gen Intel Core generally and us on the Framework Laptop specifically. This is with s0ix standby, and we see ~0.4%/hour typically in Fedora 36 on 5.17.6 with the settings in our setup guide: .https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Fedora+36+Installation+on+the+Framework+Laptop/108?lang=en https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Fedora+36+Installation+on+th...
• vodkapump 4y ago
  I know this gets asked a lot and isn't really about this new upgraded model but.. Any news on plans for AMD models?
  • robotnikman 4y ago
    I think the main issue with AMD might be they lack support for Thunderbolt (last I've heard anyways)
  • capableweb 4y ago
    > Any news on plans for AMD models? This is the only thing stopping me from getting a Framework laptop right now. I'd pay a premium for it as well.
    • hericium 4y ago
      Pre-Pluton chips, though.
    • chrisseaton 4y ago
      Why is AMD so important to you? Are there any instruction set extensions these days that are only available on AMD? I can only think of things that are the other way around - only on Intel. And if you need something niche like some SIMD extension I guess you're running a server not a laptop?
      • jotm 4y ago
        AMD offers higher performance, better thermals and arguably better integrated graphics for the price. Plus they made Intel drop their prices by ~50% since launching Ryzen, for which they deserve the money :)
      • dont__panic 4y ago
        I think it goes something like this: - no Management Engine - chips that don't turbo boost themselves into throttling - not supporting a company with a toxic approach to business I believe AMD outperforms Intel when you're targeting mobile performance/battery life, rather than "moar CPU" workloads. Though that might change now that Intel is using their own approach to performance cores. Still, given the last decade of Intel development, they don't exactly have my trust that they'll execute performance cores without serious hiccups.
• the_gipsy 4y ago
  Any chance of ortholinear (grid) keyboards happening?
  • nrp 4y ago
    We've gotten requests from a couple of ortholinear keyboard makers on it. With our current Input Cover design, it is technically possible to do, but would have fixed costs that would be extremely difficult to amortize over the number of units we could realistically sell. Because of that, we don't have any active plans for this.
    • CarVac 4y ago
      Is there any way a hobbyist can make a custom one that would fit?
      • nrp 4y ago
        You can certainly try! Realistically it would probably need to be CNCed from aluminum, as plastic that thin wouldn't be sufficiently rigid.
        • infogulch 4y ago
          Are the external dimensions and body interface points of the keyboard assembly published anywhere?
        • CarVac 4y ago
          How thin is the keyboard assembly? Would Kailh choc switches fit?
      • lawn 4y ago
        I would be very interested in having a programmable ergo keyboard like the Ferris: https://github.com/pierrechevalier83/ferris https://github.com/pierrechevalier83/ferris
      • benhurmarcel 4y ago
• rocqua 4y ago
  I see there are only DDR4 options. Presumably if you bring your own memory, that also has to be DDR4. Why no DDR5?
  • nrp 4y ago
    When we started developing this product last year, we looked at price trends and performance data on DDR4 vs DDR5 and made the bet that DDR5 would have both price and availability issues in 2022. That has turned out to be the case, with DDR5 SO-DIMMs typically going for 50-70% over the equivalent DDR4 capacity, without delivering performance improvements to justify that premium. This is something that will improve in the future, and we'll continue to track this for future products.
    • dhc02 4y ago
      When I read this, I got really excited about a company having a well thought out, rational reason for a decision. And then I realized how sad that is.
      • legalcorrection 4y ago
        What makes you think that people at Dell or HP don’t sit around and think about those tradeoffs?
        • aenis 4y ago
          They sell to different audiences though, so maybe optimize for different outcomes. I'd imagine DDR5 is much easier to sell to a "pro-sumer" who games on Windows vs. to a programmer who runs linux and can make an educated decision re: price/perf tradeoff.
        • syzygyhack 4y ago
          Well, there are, but the things considered acceptable tradeoffs (like price/performance) are pretty different.
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• BlackLotus89 4y ago
  Is there a plan to offer other payment methods and/or multiple laptop orders. We want to use frame.work laptops for work and those limitations make it really hard for us to get it through logistics/purchase. The upgraded version would be an ideal reason for me to rerequest this as my new main machine.
  • IceyEC 4y ago
    Looks like they support bulk ordering: https://frame.work/support?category=business-volume-ordering#contact_support https://frame.work/support?category=business-volume-ordering...
  • nrp 4y ago
    Yep, we currently support orders of up to 5 laptops per order for the original 11th Gen Intel Core-based Framework Laptop. For larger quantities for businesses, we also have additional business-focused payment methods via Balance (including things like NET terms). We're building ingestion flows for that, but in the meantime you can submit a request through our support form: https://frame.work/support?category=business-volume-ordering#contact_support https://frame.work/support?category=business-volume-ordering...
• mavili 4y ago
  • sbelskie 4y ago
    It looks to me like the links for DIY and prebuilt are reversed.
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  • selykg 4y ago
    I love that we jump directly to "deception" rather than "this could be a mistake" A better approach would've been: "Your website shows "Starting at 959 for the DIY option, but when I click on it the base option starts at 1,049. Am I missing something or is this a bug, an explanation would be welcome."
  • nrp 4y ago
    As the sibling comment noted, the DIY button was pointing to the pre-built configurations and vice versa. We're fixing this now. Edit: This is fixed now.
  • Cthulhu_ 4y ago
    you're mentioning euros and GBP as well though; could currency conversion and import taxes explain the difference?
• PetitPrince 4y ago
  Any chance to have a trackpoint-style pointing device in the future?
  • phinnaeus 4y ago
    Are there any patent issues to deal with for that?
  • komadori 4y ago
    Just to pile on, I would love to buy a Framework laptop instead of more ThinkPads, but I really can't do without a pointing stick keyboard. I even have a Tex Shinobi* for my desktop! I hope that Framework or a 3rd-party accessory can fill this gap in the market. * https://tex.com.tw/products/shinobi https://tex.com.tw/products/shinobi
    • dorfsmay 4y ago
      To pile on even more... A lot of Linux users used to buy ThinkPad because of the Linux compatibility, the modularity and the build quality, but got addicted to the trackpoint, and this has become the only reason we keep buying them. A competitor would be very welcomed!whoever is going to take that market will have followers for a long time.
      • jenaimarre 4y ago
        Piling up to the pile, the lack of trackpoint is what prevents me to buy a framework laptop. Please :-)
• tomerv 4y ago
  When will you open the option to order to Israel? We haven’t opened ordering in your region yet, but we’re looking forward to getting there! We can notify you when ordering opens:
• Kerrick 4y ago
  Will all software shipped with the hardware when ordered with GNU/Linux be Free or will there be non-Free software such as the BIOS/UEFI? EDIT: I just realized that you cannot order this laptop with GNU/Linux pre installed. I was mistaken.
  • nrp 4y ago
    We've seen distro preference be too broad to make pre-loading efficient. Instead, we ship DIY Edition with no OS and publish guides for how to install and optimize the most popular distros. Our embedded controller firmware is open (see https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/EmbeddedController https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/EmbeddedController), and we're working with some community members on attempting a coreboot port.
    • trelane 4y ago
      > distro preference be too broad to make pre-loading efficient Others seem to manage by just having one or two pre-install options. Maybe you could do that too? > Our embedded controller firmware is open That's good, but do you also ensure that it _works_? There's way too much works-on-windows-and-halfway-on-Linux firmware out there. At least it _can_ be fixed, but being open doesn't mean that it necessarily _will_. What support do you provide for Linux users?
    • Kerrick 4y ago
      Oh wow, that is actually really exciting!
    • aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
      > we're working with some community members on attempting a coreboot port. Commendable. Very cool.
• Jhsto 4y ago
  Any plans to ship models with coreboot one day?
  • vaylian 4y ago
    Potentially: https://community.frame.work/t/free-the-ec-and-coreboot-only/791/5 https://community.frame.work/t/free-the-ec-and-coreboot-only...
• zucker42 4y ago
  Why is the SN750/SN850 the default SSD, given it has relatively high power consumption[1] and separately is there any reason to believe that building a DIY version with a different SSD wouldn't work? [1] https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd-black-sn850-m-2-nvme-ssd-review/3 https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd-black-sn850-m-2-nvme...
  • nrp 4y ago
    We see folks in the community using a range of different SSDs, but SN750/SN770/SN850 are what we have done the most validation on. We see good perf/watt on the WDC drives. It's unclear why Tom's Hardware was seeing poor idle power with power saving modes on.
    • zucker42 4y ago
      Thanks for the response.
• spiffytech 4y ago
  Any plans to offer larger displays?
• philliphaydon 4y ago
  You have a bunch of job opening’s in Taiwan but you currently don’t ship to Taiwan? :(
• aestetix 4y ago
  Can existing customers "trade in" their old motherboards for the newer models, with credit applied to make it cheaper?
  • nrp 4y ago
    We don't do trade-ins, but we have released projects to enable re-use of old Mainboards: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard We're seeing some interesting outputs of that: https://github.com/brickbots/framedeck/ https://github.com/brickbots/framedeck/ https://github.com/penk/MainboardTerminal https://github.com/penk/MainboardTerminal
    • slim 4y ago
      aha!
    • carreau 4y ago
      Thoughts of whether the marketplace could be used for "certified" refurbished older components ?
    • freedomben 4y ago
      I know your roadmap is probably packed to the brim, but if you could help facilitate 3rd party sales that would be useful. My wife stepped on my framework 3 days (!!) after I finally got it back in the beginning, and you couldn't buy parts yet so I bought a whole new framework and cannibalized it for the screen. I've since repaired it but if there was a way to either trade or sell with other people in a similar boat, that would be amazing, particularly where not all parts are available for purchase at each given time.
      • aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
        List it on Swappa.
    • redconfetti 4y ago
      It would be nice if older Framework hardware could be donated to some form of charity.
• EastSmith 4y ago
  Not a question for the announcement, but the location page is missing countries, for example Bulgaria. This prevents me from even telling you I want to order form here (Bulgaria). https://frame.work/locale/edit https://frame.work/locale/edit
  • nrp 4y ago
    Thanks, captured on our internal bug tracker.
    • darau1 4y ago
      Hi! Same for Guyana (GUY)
• mssdvd 4y ago
  What are the main reasons for not shipping to other EU / EEA countries?
  • nrp 4y ago
    Laptops are uniquely challenging in that each additional country has its own keyboard language, increasing the number of SKUs we need to manage and hold inventory for. This is beyond the normal challenges of entering new markets. We enumerated this in a blog post here: https://frame.work/blog/scaling-up-infrastructure https://frame.work/blog/scaling-up-infrastructure We are continuing to build the infrastructure and keyboards to expand into more countries though!
    • oblio 4y ago
      Just make the US keyboard version available everywhere and worry about local keyboards later, when people ask for them. Your audience is probably 90% devs and sysadmins, who most definitely can at least handle en_us.
      • bpye 4y ago
        Shipping a US keyboard in Europe seems like an odd choice since most European keyboard layouts are ISO, not ANSI. I could see a blank keyboard working, or an ISO US keyboard maybe, but that is an uncommon layout that I don't think I've ever actually seen before?
        • arc-in-space 4y ago
          Does this even matter? The point is that if one is fine with the US/ANSI keyboard, they should be allowed to buy it. To wit, I'm european and despise the ISO keyboards, and have never been forced to use one, so it's not like they're ubiquitous.
        • oblio 4y ago
          In many, many European countries, especially the smaller ones, a large chunk of devs and sysadmins straight out use the US keyboard layout, basically the old IBM PC one. I have no idea what kind of standard they follow... And people don't seem to care.
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• mentos 4y ago
  Congrats! Looking at the DIY Guide [0] it looks like a lot of the laptop comes pre-assembled still (case, motherboard, screen, keyboard). Is it more cost effective to do the labor on Framework's side to ship everything more tightly together in 1 box or could we see a 'DIY Pro' option that ships every component in its own box? (Maybe even at greater discount?) Also, check out this Mechanical Watch [1] tutorial that made it to the front page of HN last week. I could definitely see an exploded assembly view like this being really instructional for Framework DIY-ers. [0] https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Framework+Laptop+DIY+Edition+Quick+Start+Guide https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Framework+Laptop+DIY+Edition... [1] https://ciechanow.ski/mechanical-watch/ https://ciechanow.ski/mechanical-watch/
  • nrp 4y ago
    We wrote about this in an early blog post: https://frame.work/blog/the-evolution-of-the-framework-laptop-diy-edition https://frame.work/blog/the-evolution-of-the-framework-lapto... It would be substantially more expensive for us to ship the laptop in a state that is less assembled. Packaging, labor for pack-out, and increased size and weight for freight all end up being quite a bit more than product assembly labor.
• deng 4y ago
  Does the laptop support proper S3 sleep, or is this impossible with modern Intel CPUs?
  • pedro2 4y ago
    I was under the impression it was largely a BIOS option. Basically if S0idle is advertised as supported, S3 isn't. On recent BIOS on Thinkpads this tends to be an option which can be toggled.
    • csdvrx 4y ago
      > On recent BIOS on Thinkpads this tends to be an option which can be toggled. Just because the BIOS says so doesn't mean it will work. On some old Dells, the S0 implementation in the BIOS was just so broken it straight couldn't work, even in Windows. What saved the game was Microsoft carefully considering such scenarios and checking the battery budget: if S0 was draining the battery too fast for the computer to awake in a usable state (like, with enough power to at least boot...) it would give up on S0 and go S4 "hibernate" instead. In Linux this is now called Hybrid Sleep (S0+S4) but I don't think it existed back when I was in university. Finding a working ACPI S3 was hard. On thinkpads, as explained above, a working S3 is just sheer luck as Intel 11th gen shouldn't even support S3. On the 12th gen, it sure doesn't. I would be curious to know if S3 works with Linux on a X1 nano Gen2 (12th gen)
      • pedro2 4y ago
        What do you mean doesn't support? Source? PS: works on an 11th gen i5 EDIT: according to [1] S3 is supported on 12th. BIOS just hides it exists (not written in linked the article) [1] https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software-development-platforms/client/platforms/alder-lake-desktop/12th-generation-intel-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/002/advanced-configuration-and-power-interface-acpi-states-supported/ https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software...
  • nrp 4y ago
    S3 was technically not supported in 11th Gen Intel Core, but seemed to mostly work anyway. S3 is also not technically supported in 12th Gen Intel Core, and it seems to mostly not work at the moment, and it is unclear if that will change. However, s0ix continues to improve substantially in recent kernels, to the point where there doesn't seem to be a major standby battery life advantage to s3 anymore (on 11th Gen).
• ongy 4y ago
  Less of a question, more a note: In the configure page to pre-order for the 12th-Gen variant, there's a link to the 12th-Gen variant. Feels a bit weird and confusing to be pointed towards the shiny new variant, while shopping for the shiny new variant.
  • nrp 4y ago
    Thanks, we are fixing this now.
• user_7832 4y ago
  Not too different from the AMD comment, is there any plan or roadmap for future generations of (yet-unreleased) Intel chips? Also congrats on the update, I honestly wasn't expecting it. I'm seriously considering a framework laptop/motherboard for my next PC.
• cf 4y ago
  I love everything about what you have planned. Is there anything in the works for creating more keyboard options? While mechanical keyboards might be too impractical, even something with bigger arrow keys would be nice.
  • dorfsmay 4y ago
    The day there is a ThinkPad style keyboard (trackpoint, 3 button) and a matte screen, I'll order one immediately, and assuming it lives up to the expectation, I'd order more after that quickly.
• defaultwizard 4y ago
  Is there any plans (that you can talk about) for a slightly larger model with maybe more ports? I want one of these so bad but if you end up doing a larger one shortly down the line i'm going to be really gutted. Edit: also any plans for a blank ISO keyboard to match the blank ANSI one?
• boppo1 4y ago
  Any chance you'll eventually have a Framework with a 'clickier' keyboard and a trackpoint like the x220? I will happily buy your product the next time my x220 dies (instead of upgrading it) if it has the nice clicky keyboard and a trackpoint. A slightly thicker laptop is very much a fair trade-off.
  • _ink_ 4y ago
    The missing trackpoint is a major reason for me to stay with Lenovo.
  • jefurii 4y ago
    I'd totally buy a Framework mainboard if I could squeeze it into my old x220 case.
    • duairc 4y ago
      Check out XY Tech who build and distribute modified ThinkPads. Xue Yao, the person behind it, intends to build a motherboard that will fit into an X220 case soon, possibly this year. I bought an "X2100" (a ThinkPad X200 with a 10th-gen Intel CPU) from him in 2020 and it's been fantastic. https://xyte.ch https://xyte.ch
      • boppo1 4y ago
        sick, thanks man.
    • boppo1 4y ago
      Oh yeah this would be an option too.
• gavinpc 4y ago
  I just ordered a Framework yesterday. I'm not interested in the 12th gen chip, but is there any other reason I might want to cancel & re-order today? i.e. would I be getting an older design? edit: Someone also brings this up on the OP: https://community.frame.work/t/introducing-the-new-and-upgraded-framework-laptop/18646/7 https://community.frame.work/t/introducing-the-new-and-upgra...
  • freedomben 4y ago
    Not GP but if it were me and you don't care about the 12th gen chip, I definitely wouldn't cancel and re-order. I would guess the battery improvement won't be dramatic, but you'll end up with a little more cost and a longer wait time. The only thing might be the new cover. The old one is pretty flimsy and doesn't tolerate heavy abuse well. Mine is always in my house or a backpack so it's not been a problem for me, but if I carried it around publicly where it can be dropped and such, I might be concerned about it.
    • gavinpc 4y ago
      Good info, thanks! For better or worse, it had already shipped.
• djbusby 4y ago
  Something is really wacky with v-scrolling on your pre-order page (Pixel3/Chrome) I wasn't able to complete the process.
• pimterry 4y ago
  What are the constraints that are blocking wider EU availability? Right now, in Europe it's only available in a handful of countries (5 of 27). I'm in Spain, and I see I can spec a perfect machine and get it delivered just over the border in France, but I can't get the same thing delivered here just a couple of hours away, which is very surprising! My understanding was the single market & customs union etc should make going from 1 to N EU countries pretty easy. Is this due to smoe regulatory issues, or needing to organize shipping differently for every country, or waiting to include an ñ key, or something else? Right now, I'm very seriously looking at ordering one, renting a PO box in France and shipping the laptop here myself, which seems a bit ridiculous.
  • 908B64B197 4y ago
    > My understanding was the single market & customs union etc should make going from 1 to N EU countries pretty easy. Sadly, every country insist on doing everything else his own special snowflake way. There would have to be a lot more harmonization for it to be that easy.
  • sschueller 4y ago
    Will Switzerland ever be able to order them with a Swiss German Keyboard?
  • dathinab 4y ago
    The problem is (my guess) Logistics is hard. Amazon might make it look easy but it really isn't (and Amazon is not available in all EU countries either!). Logistics is more then just shipping, but also returns, repairs, availability, shipping time, shipping costs, where and how to keep stock. And this points affect each other, i.e. they might not have enough supply to sell to the whole EU market etc. Lastly while there is a free marked in the EU if I remember correctly there are still some differences when importing things from outside into the EU depending on the country of entry. Like how to fill forms and which companies you can work with (for what prices) in given country.
    • mhitza 4y ago
      What do you mean by "Amazon is not available in all EU countries". Do you mean like a country specific TLD? Because that is true, but order and delivery is not a problem from any EU country as far as I know.
• lighttower 4y ago
  Will it be possible to get a keyboard like the Thinkpad. FULL SIZE arrow keys. Menu button next to Right ALT. And PGUP PGDN adjacent to the arrows ? Trackpoint is a bonus
  • Liskni_si 4y ago
    > Menu button next to Right ALT. And PGUP PGDN adjacent to the arrows Keys can easily be remapped in software, so all you really is the physical keys layout (full size arrows + two keys on either side of the up arrow) and the trackpoint. Menu or PrintScreen or whatever doesn't really matter much.
• nspattak 4y ago
  I would really like to buy one BUT I find it a little bit too expensive, especially the price difference for better CPUs I find proportionate. (i would be slightly more tempted if it was for an amd 6000 cpu, they are much better in perf/power, I hope you will reconsider in the next generation when the iGPU will be RDNA based)
• pkulak 4y ago
  Any word on a resolution bump? We only need a few more lines for 2x support!
• verall 4y ago
  Any chance for an add-in card with an Intel NIC? I have had issues with the realtek USB-C NICs and I was hoping the 2.5GbE would be intel.
• yumraj 4y ago
  Any chance of 15”-16” in near future?
  • uoaei 4y ago
    I wondered this too, but they will need a way to be able to plug the same Mainboard into a new chassis such that the Expansion Cards work correctly, or else design a new Mainboard with increased size (or I guess longer Expansion Cards, but that seems silly).
    • pmontra 4y ago
      Of course (?) they need to build a larger motherboard. I'd be really tempted to buy a 15" model especially with a touchpad with 3 hardware buttons (I'm not considering any laptop without them) and a keyboard without numberpad (very important but a little less than the hw buttons.)
      • uoaei 4y ago
        I can imagine chassis designs that use the same Mainboard but move the Expansion Card slots out. It would also be much more in keeping with the ethos of the product and company to use exactly the same Mainboard in every device.
• guerby 4y ago
  Hi nrp I demo-ed my frame.work laptop yesterday to https://www.matinfo-esr.fr/ https://www.matinfo-esr.fr/ which is a single buyer entity for all french universities and public research institutes (once hardware is in their catalog it's click to order for universities without administrative hassle). They showed interest on the non obsolescence, durability and repairability aspect of frame.work since these features are part of their public service mission. Feel free to contact me, my email is on the website listed on my HN profile
  • isolli 4y ago
    Edited to add: nrp, I know this person and I vouch for them :) I'm confident that they could help you enter a sizable new market here in France. Laurent, content de te revoir ! Et content de voir que tu te bats toujours pour les bonnes causes... Signe : un ex-collegue a la BNP ;)
    • guerby 4y ago
      Thanks! 40 upvotes I guess some of our university community is on HN and want frame.work as work laptop :) I was told that matinfo-esr has been Dell biggest client in the whole Europe for some years.
• akavel 4y ago
  Piling on the wishlist: any chances of a fanless mainboard in the future? I'm a sucker for fanless, hard for me to imagine going back...
  • nani8ot 4y ago
    I don't think this works well with x86 chips. The performance of ARM in this low power budget is unmatched, especially looking at Apple's M1. And even they need fans to sustain the clock speeds.
    • akavel 4y ago
      An MS Surface Pro 7 with an Intel Core i5-7300U is fanless. I know I won't be getting the very bleeding edge topmost performance with fanless, but I can still get it plenty awesome. The silence is just a different level of experience, that I'm absolutely addicted to.
• sargun 4y ago
  How are you using CNC to make parts en masse in a cost effective way?
• schmorptron 4y ago
  Wow, that's quite a price jump from the i5 to the i7 and then subsequently to the 6 core one. Could you talk a bit about the economics of having hotter / higher end chips in a notebook and whether there are other non-obvious cost increases to them? Are the higher end models "subsidizing" the lower end one, or is there motherboard / chipset upgrades that need to happen as a result? Really like the laptop though, and it's a close contender when it's my time to upgrade... :)
  • hajile 4y ago
    You're paying quite a bit for vPro. I'd guess that the 2 extra cores don't really make much of a difference day-to-day. If you crank up all the cores, both chips will throttle in a laptop of that size. If you are only running a couple single-threaded applications, the extra 100MHz turbo hardly makes a difference (around 2-3%). On the flip side, the places that need/want vPro are going to be very enterprisey and don't mind spending the extra money.
    • schmorptron 4y ago
      Huh, that v-pro argument makes sense. Enterprises gonna enterprise.