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Sure, he could do all those things you list, but I have no idea why anyone would expect him specifically to be able to do it while no one else could. Just a co
by slg 5y ago
Sure, he could do all those things you list, but I have no idea why anyone would expect him specifically to be able to do it while no one else could.
Just a couple examples:
>gets comedians and entertaining accounts back on board
Musk's personality and actions turn off many of these people. It will much harder for Musk to get these people back than it would be for a publicly traded company.
>lets people say what they want instead a bot army of shills repeating verbatim over and over and over
Musk himself controls an army of shills who attack anyone who disagrees with him. It has now become common for people criticizing him to stop using his name because some of his fans will search Twitter for anyone talking about him in order to aggressively defend him. Why would we expect him to work to stop shills site wide when he has put no effort into stopping his fans from exhibiting this same behavior?
- scotuswroteus 5y agoMost comedians are turned off by audiences who cancel. Anyone not in tune with that trend in Chappelle's work isn't credible to make broad sweeping comments about that.
- ProjectArcturis 5y agoAh yes, Dave Chappelle, the cancelled comedian who recently got paid $24M to produce a 1-hour set for the biggest streaming network.
- scotuswroteus 5y agoAh yes, a failure in reading comprehension coupled with a lack of cultural knowledge. No one said he got cancelled. He specifically took his audience to task for the way they scrutinize performers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MZZ__5F_-A&ab_channel=NetflixIsAJoke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MZZ__5F_-A&ab_channel=Netfl... You're not credible if you say comedians don't want a platform that cracks down on mob cancellation.
- president 5y agoWhat happened to just letting things play out? You don't know what's going to happen.
- probIs8 5y agoNeither does Musk. Why not tell him to let things play out?
- slg 5y ago>What happened to just letting things play out? What does this look like to you and how am I not doing that? Because it sounds like you are saying I shouldn't criticize what Musk might do which would be pretty ironic considering so many people think Musk is doing this to force Twitter to allow freer speech.
- duck 5y ago> I have no idea why anyone would expect him specifically to be able to do it while no one else could People said the exact same thing before Tesla and SpaceX.
- pionar 5y agoThey also said the same thing when he said he would fix Flint's water supply and rescue those kids in Thailand, both of which he did not see through.
- qaq 5y agono way people who do things don't have 100% success rate what a surprise.
- diebeforei485 5y agoFlint's water supply is fixed.
- monetus 5y agoNot yet. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2022/04/13/flint-set-replace-remaining-lead-pipes-september-nrdc-says/7311799001/ https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-...
- tonguez 5y ago"Musk's personality and actions turn off many of these people. It will much harder for Musk to get these people back than it would be for a publicly traded company." yeah like when he smoked weed on the joe rogan podcast... comedians absolutely hate that. and tweeting about shibu coin or whatever... ELON YOU CAN'T JUST TWEET SILLY THINGS! THE COMEDIANS WILL HATE IT! "Musk himself controls an army of shills who attack anyone who disagrees with him." no he doesn't. "Why would we expect him to work to stop shills site wide when he has put no effort into stopping his fans from exhibiting this same behavior?" you sound like when the military industrial complex was trying to shut down bernie by inventing the term "Bernie bro" and then saying that Bernie is bad because he doesn't shut down his "toxic fanbase" on Twitter. such a pathetic argument.
- golemotron 5y ago> Sure, he could do all those things you list, but I have no idea why anyone would expect him specifically to be able to do it while no one else could. Because he has a track record of doing things no one else could.
- tablespoon 5y ago> Because he has a track record of doing things no one else could. Like installing solar panels on people's roofs?
- anthonypasq 5y ago
- hannasanarion 5y agoBecause it is one of a myriad of examples of the ways he has taken an uninteresting idea created by others and used his preexisting wealth to coerce people and institutions into giving him credit for other people's work.
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- qorrect 5y agoLike building a tunnel ?
- emkoemko 5y agoyea and its 1$ fair with those amazing 150mph pods that bring your car down from road level via a elevator... its amazing i wonder why they made their video of it private.
- phendrenad2 5y agoHow many projects have you attempted?
- LudwigNagasena 5y ago> I have no idea why anyone would expect him specifically to be able to do it while no one else could. No one else tried. Twitter has been stagnating drinking the kool-aid for many years.
- ilaksh 5y agoThat reminds me. I bought Kool-Aid yesterday! Mmmm. I could use some cold Kool-Aid about now. I would argue that not a ton of groups can put together a $43 billion offer very easily. So the pool is somewhat limited.
- 650REDHAIR 5y agoYeah, totally. The thousands of Twitter employees sit and twiddle their thumbs all day. Not a single one working on spam or various problems Musk has with the company.
- LudwigNagasena 5y agoTwitter workers are busy applying band aids when Musk proposes a chemo.
- memish 5y agoThey are idle. Here's what Paul Graham, who has a lot of experience fighting spam, said: "Either (a) Twitter is terribly bad at detecting spam or (b) there's something about Twitter that makes detecting spam difficult or (c) they don't care. Based on my experience detecting spam, I'd guess (c)." "Twitter engineering: If you're going to do such a bad job of catching spam, how about at least giving us a one-click way to report a tweet as spam and block the account, like email providers do? It may even help you get better at filtering, since more reports = more signal."
- tick_tock_tick 5y agoI mean do you actually know anyone working at Twitter currently? That's really not that far from reality.....
- makeitdouble 5y ago
- systemvoltage 5y agoHot take: Most of hate for Elon is because he is not your traditional progressive leader. He exudes libertarian, progressive and conservative values depending on the context and gets to the bottom of truth. He does not care about political correctness which rubs progressives hard and deep. That’s the naked truth. You can spin it this way or that way; none of the reasons I’ve heard make deeply convincing arguments. It’s basically 100% political.
- qzx_pierri 5y ago
- the_only_law 5y agoOh it was objective? GP must be a mind reader to objectively know the intent behind “most” of the controversy.
- nkozyra 5y ago> He exudes libertarian, progressive and conservative values depending on the context and gets to the bottom of truth. This is a platitude. He seemingly has no fundamental moral compass, his beliefs are almost always entirely self-serving, which people often interpret as "libertarian." No single person is 100% left/right/whatever. If you don't openly say what you are it leads things open to interpretation, and people seemingly paint whatever picture they like on Musk.
- systemvoltage 5y agoI've heard his message for a decade or more. He has made sure his moral compass is heard loud and clear and it is always like this: * Make a better tomorrow * Solve humanities most pressing problems * Make humanity a multi-planetary species
- nkozyra 5y agoFirst two are slogans, and I'm not sure the last one is necessarily a moral goal. I have no issue with this guy, but it's odd to me the way people use him as a blank canvas and fill in all the blanks. Nobody would take any other tech CEO's "make a better tomorrow" directive seriously, so why his?
- clomond 5y agoAs someone who never got “hooked” onto twitter (turned into an active user) each time I viewed Twitter I found two main issues: - a discoverability problem for topics, authors, and tweets - too much garbage, spam, low quality tweets To the point where I “churned out”. It is clear that twitter as a platform has immense long term potential if curated properly. The fact that “cancel tribes” and virtual lynchings are a recent mainstay of the culture of the user base, shouldn’t make it surprising that critical and interesting voices (no free speech) do not feel free. Enabled wokism from the top down has materially affected the quality of the content on the platform in its current form. The issue at twitter is likely a combination of: - poor management - internal cultural issues - lack of a revamped product vision All of the above issues are the perfect set up for an executive shakeup from an outsider. If we take the above as true, who else has the gull and ability to do such a shake-up? Twitter’s board as demonstrated in the previous weeks seemed quite entrenched and reasonably powerful. This seems like a good fit, IMO.
- robofanatic 5y agoinspite of all those problems Elon Musk seems to be able to use the platform effectively given how much noise he gets on any of his posts becuase I believe Twitter is the only social media platform he is on.
- starik36 5y ago> Musk himself controls an army of shills Yes, downright controls. /s
- thejackgoode 5y ago1.1 mil likes under "pregnant" Gates reminded me of the House of Cards line: "When you're fresh meat, kill and throw them something fresher." I think this captures average twitter well. It does not need much to be "controlled"
- starik36 5y ago> It does not need much to be "controlled" So therefore "not controlled". That tweet was funny or at least mildly amusing. We can call any likes that any celebrity gets a "controlled mob", if we go with this line of thinking.
- robonerd 5y agoIf posting funny (albeit mean-spirited) things to make people laugh constitutes control, then accusations of 'controlling people' seem a lot less serious. Every comedian is in the business of control by that measure.
- thejackgoode 5y agoIt doesn't, that was my point. It's a gamble in front of a shouting crowd that is demanding an emotional release
- JohnTHaller 5y agoDon't forget his "FREE AMERICA NOW" phase in April 2020, getting hundreds of thousands of likes when he echoed right-wing anti-lockdown talking points. And when he claimed the US would likely be down to zero cases within a month in March 2020. Or him going after the British diver he referred to as "pedo guy". Or his stock market manipulation tweets.
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- pclmulqdq 5y agoMusk's "army of shills" are at least real people who believe in his companies. I think the parent was commenting about account farms that tweet the same thing over and over on thousands of accounts. That is a big problem on Twitter, and it lets people manufacture consensus artificially (which is then picked up by journos).
- phendrenad2 5y agoYou're 100% right. There are tons of bots on twitter spamming the same exact message over and over. Most aren't political. Try searching for "4k monitor", you'll find thousands of bot accounts tweeting the latest 4k monitor deals. It's a form of advertisement that leeches on twitter's service without paying twitter the usual advertising fee. Not sure why Twitter's ARMY of software developers can't figure this one out, but maybe the threat of a new boss with an eye for incompetence will get them to do some actual work on the issue.
- whimsicalism 5y agoI think most people who people think are shills on Twitter are actually real people. This is the problem with all of the "quick fixes" y'all are suggesting, unless Twitter adds a downvote button.
- Aeolun 5y ago> I have no idea why anyone would expect him specifically to be able to do it while no one else could. Not him specifically. Just any private owner of Twitter.
- thereddaikon 5y agoI try to take a neutral position on Musk. He's essentially an Edison. And that comes with the good and the bad. Lots of failed businesses, a handful of successful and innovative ones. Mostly takes credit himself on the backs of the Tesla's he employs. And yes I find the name of his car company extremely humorous. I don't think there is anything inherent to the twitter situation that means it can't be fixed. Do I think Musk personally is the guy to do it? Of course not. But he probably wont appoint himself CEO. If he does appoint someone competent and with a clear vision for fixing Twitter's numerous flaws, then he will succeed. He put a good head in charge of SpaceX and he merely acts as the public face. Do the same here and it will work. If he doesn't do that then it probably wont.
- lutorm 5y agoHe is absolutely not merely the "public face" of SpaceX, not even close.
- throwayayay 5y agoHow does Musk offend a lot of comedians? That sounds unbelievable. Shilling/bots isn’t the same as rabid fans. Yes people shouldn’t brigade and intimidate people making arguments in good faith. Of course, few people make arguments in good faith.
- cwkoss 5y agoSemantic nitpick "Shills" implies commercial backing. Ex. the democratic party hires operatives with shill account networks to create the illusion of popularity for certain tweets. (google sally albright) "Stans" is the better term for Elon fanboys. I haven't seen any evidence Elon is paying these people to defend him online (would be pretty pathetic if he was). I think most of these people are just really into the cult of personality. Much more similar to kpop stans. (etymologically rooted in the eminem song "stan" - an excessively obsessed fan)
- creaturemachine 5y agoIt's almost guaranteed they're tesla shareholders, and/or passengers on whatever derpcoin pump & dump Elon is fancying at this time. If you believe the value of any of those ventures is linked to Musk's star power then shill seems an apt label.
- cwkoss 5y agoWhich coins has elon pumped? I have mostly seen him talk about Dogecoin, I think there was some discussion of Bitcoin and Ethereum from him. Has he promoted deep-catalog derpcoins as well? (There are definitely a LOT of ~"@elonmusk59393259" fake accounts pretending to be him that try to pump coins or offer fake giveaways, but I don't think he's done so himself?)
- TheOtherHobbes 5y agoI think it's quite naive to assume that someone with billions to throw around doesn't have PR and social media management companies working for him. These people are not like us. They're more like sovereign corporations with a pseudo-monarch as head, and a literal army of both overt and covert support workers handling security, PR and impression management, financial operations, and so on. Social media bot accounts are possibly the lowest cost and highest return form of PR and sentiment management ever invented.
- cwkoss 5y agoI would love for an investigative journalist to try to find an Elon-funded shill network. I personally suspect that his army of stans is large enough he doesn't need shills, but it'd certainly be a huge story if they could prove he was funding shills.
- WesleyHale 5y agoI think you undervalue how political the corporation of Twitter has become. That's where a lot of the red tape for changes were, and that red tape gets nuked if Twitter accepts his offer.
- ComradePhil 5y ago> Musk's personality and actions turn off many of these people. Huh? You do realize the parent comment is not talking about Amy Schumer, right? > It will much harder for Musk to get these people back than it would be for a publicly traded company. So, you're saying that comedians who are on social media to gather following to promote their content... and were banned while doing that will not come back to Twitter if unbanned because Musk? Do you think they gave two shits about who the CEO or board members or majority investors were when they joined?