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Dall-E 2 illustrations of Twitter bios

848 points by manesioz 5y ago

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klaussilveira 5y ago
The fact that this is behind some bizarre invite-only pay-to-experiment exclusive club is disappointing and sad. Funnily enough, it brings me nostalgic memories of the days where I had to wait for hours just to get a chance to use the school's only computer for 30 minutes.
- joshcryer 5y ago
  ElutherAI or others will probably recreate it based on the paper they released. the main innovation is CLIP and how they changed how it approaches turning text into images.
- Bud 5y ago
  It's not "bizarre" that computing resources cost money and are finite. Nor is "pay-to-experiment" accurate. Nor is "exclusive club" really fair, or in good faith. It's a beta that they are running with their own resources. It makes complete sense that they'd have to limit access.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  I disagree. I am glad people are getting paid (exceptionally well) to do stuff like this and they should charge for their efforts. We need more initiatives like this, not less. Open source is amazing boon to our generation, it has enabled free access to basic building blocks for people to build amazing things. But I don't think it is a silver bullet for everything.
- mrjangles 5y ago
  It really says a lot about what an amazing society we have created in that here we have some people making history by revolutionizing our understanding of something that was (at least in the past) considered absolutely fundamental and unique to the human condition... ...and one of the things that people find remarkable about it is that it isn't immediately and freely available to everyone on earth.
  - throwaway48375 5y ago
    To be fair they call themselves OpenAI. Expecting things to be a little more open isn't unreasonable. They are kinda setting themselves up to disappoint people with that name.
  - PoignardAzur 5y ago
    Yeah, but I really wish I could use the thing right now. I DM roleplaying games, and I'd love having the ability to just generate high-quality procedural artwork illustrating whatever my last game is. I'm not too upset, though. The way the technology is progressing, it's a pretty short time span between "the bleeding edge researchers can do it" and "there's a phone app that can do it for free".
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inb4_cancelled 5y ago
I'm genuinely terrified.
amelius 5y ago
Perhaps someone can write a HN reader where headlines are fed through Dall-E, and the images appear on top of the stories.
- jasonjayr 5y ago
  This totally could be coupled with a CMS/Blogging platform that automatically adds illustrations from headlines/pullquotes
  - a-r-t 5y ago
    And coupled with GPT-3...
    - jer0me 5y ago
      This appears to be entirely, if poorly, computer generated: https://www.dreamsopedia.com/dream-about-eating-child.html https://www.dreamsopedia.com/dream-about-eating-child.html
  - Bilal_io 5y ago
    This could replace a huge portion of the stock image market. For example, The Verge writes an article about Microsoft, they don't need to pay royalties for an image that has Microsoft logo displayed on a building, one can be generated for them.
    - TOMDM 5y ago
      MS powerpoint already has a feature to suggest stock images based on slide title. With this, you could get a consistent art style and theme on your slides, and be truly unique too. $ART_STYLE + $COLOR_THEME + $SLIDE_TITLE
- hans1729 5y ago
  That’s an _amazing_ idea.
- TOMDM 5y ago
deltaonefour 5y ago
The trajectory of AI is both amazing and horrifying. Most of us are born in an era where we can witness the change and play with toy versions of AI products. The next generation of people will have their lives truly changed by AI, for the better or for worse.
- cwkoss 5y ago
  It will be better! Giving every human the tools to make expressive works of art without having to train for years will be awesome for society! I'm playing with some of the neanderthal-relatives of dall-e 2 and already have several that I kind of want to analog-paint copies of so I can hang em on my wall. I don't even think artists are going to be meaningfully hurt from this - in fact, I think this is going to increase demand for art, because now the 'patron' can participate in the composition process more meaningfully.
  - troyvit 5y ago
    I hope you're right but the feeling I get is that it's going to increase the _supply_ of art until it becomes meaningless. For instance why should anybody paint an astronaut on a horse anymore? It was a great idea and now it's been done. In the near future when you look at art you won't know whether it was created directly by a human or by an AI. What will that do to its appreciation?
    - cwkoss 5y ago
      Why is a human-painting of an astronaut on a horse valuable now? I view this as detangling composition from the mechanical skills of art production. Perhaps this will make a new type of art job - AI wrangler - whose job is collaborating with AI to get a good composition, then the composition can be handed over to someone with the mechanical skills to render it in the real world, if humans making the brush strokes is important. I'd imagine that if we gave these tools to a skilled painter to help in their compositional brainstorming process, they'd find many good ideas they'd like to incorporate into their works in a short period of time. But, I'm not a skilled painter, so could be wrong.
arriu 5y ago
Is there a future for art with this type of thing getting more advanced each year?
- jstummbillig 5y ago
  The future of art is for you. Just as with every other occupation.
- sharps_xp 5y ago
  The generated art is impressive, but there is no drawing that'll replace the one my daughter draws for me. AI generated art can reach and perhaps push the boundaries of what is considered beautiful, but it will never replace the art created by a human. Yes, there is a future for art.
  - throwaway675309 5y ago
    Sure, but that speaks more to your personal connection to the creator of the art and less to her actual artistic ability, which might be utter drivel. Whereas I could take some of these images generated by DALLE, slap a human sounding artist name on them, and 99% of the general populace would enjoy it just as they were the human produced art.
- dharmab 5y ago
  There are artists who use AI art as an instrument or medium. They do considerable work tuning the inputs and post-processing and contextualizing the output.
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
  Yes, just like there was a future for art once the photograph was invented. Certain parts of art contracted, but overall art changed and expanded.
- whateveracct 5y ago
  The ability to draw, paint, etc will still be highly valuable. In fact, in a world where the average artwork is AI derived, the value of skilled artists may even go up. There's more to art than technically putting lines places.
kache_ 5y ago
I've had my head in the sand for a while regarding generative AI, but now I'm getting pretty scared
- alcover 5y ago
  I'm in disbelief.. Scared also - why not ? Someone knowledgable in this thread, please tell us it's possible to backtrace such an illustration to its learning set sources. If these things are not just a controlled average(?) of real drawings, then something gigantic has been unlocked.
  - gfodor 5y ago
    I'm gonna go with unlocked on this one.
  - 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
    There's a sense in which they're a controlled average of real drawings, but it's not any more useful of a lens than the sense in which you're a controlled average of your experiences.
  - mortenjorck 5y ago
    > I'm in disbelief.. Scared also - why not ? I'm the former, but not the latter. It is eerie seeing code (especially running in the vast black box that is deep learning) do things so humanlike, but I always come back to the analogy of manned flight. We are on the precipice of a Kitty Hawk moment in AI. But just as the Wright Brothers' plane was not a bird, it's worth remembering that these systems are not minds. They are almost certainly utilizing some of the same principles that minds use, just as fixed-wing aircraft utilized the same principles at work in avian bodies, but they are coming to them via a different route from nature. It's thrilling seeing these breakthroughs, and just as manned flight transformed the world, whatever the likes of GPT, PaLM, and DALL-E become will make the future weird in ways we can't predict.
contextfree 5y ago
The two images from the "young Robert Moses" etc bio are cool, but the fact they both have such a similar layout and style, with the same "giant hands" framing that doesn't follow from the prompt in any obvious way, makes me wonder if there's some particular source art that "inspired" both. Couldn't find it on Google or Bing images, though.
- JohnBerea 5y ago
  The hand symbolize the Red Sea Parting of Moses.
  - contextfree 5y ago
    interesting hypothesis!
- nicklovescode 5y ago
  for that one IIRC I asked for a Robert Moses and one of the cooler ones had giant hands so I put that in the prompt then took two of my favorite from the next batch
  - contextfree 5y ago
    thanks for the response!
- Nition 5y ago
  It would be nice if every AI like this had an option to show the 10 closest-matching training images to the output. Especially for ones like thispersondoesnotexist.com.
drcongo 5y ago
These are amazing!
sc00ty 5y ago
This is so interesting. If anyone has played the board game Dixit, the images generated here feel like they would fit right in. I could totally see this being used for custom decks in Tabletop Simulator. For those unfamiliar, you can see some examples of the actual game cards here: https://www.libellud.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/DIXIT_OVERVIEW.pdf https://www.libellud.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/DIXIT_OV... (PDF warning)
- jkingsman 5y ago
  That was my first thought as well! The directed, purposeful illustrations that are open to myriad interpretations feel so much like the Dall-E work.
- cwkoss 5y ago
  Would be fun to play a game of telestrations/garticphone where you get a prompt, select the ai-generated image you think most accurately represents it, then the human tries to write a caption which captures it most accurately, and you see how the work evolves as it passes through multiple players. (Could also probably generate some fantastic training data)
  - sc00ty 5y ago
    This is a great idea! Around 13 years ago I played this web-based game called Broken Picture Telephone (the site seems to be back, but it was shut down for a long time). It had a very similar concept to Telestrations. A user would start with a phrase or description, the next user would draw what was written, and the next would describe it. Repeat until n rounds are complete. At the end, everyone can see how the game evolved. I ended up writing my own after it first shut down and even though the community was small, it was incredibly fun. Doing this with Dall-E 2 sounds like a fun project to bring back some nostalgia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_Picture_Telephone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_Picture_Telephone
    - cwkoss 5y ago
      Sounds exactly like GarticPhone - great game: it's free and only requires a web browser. It's become the go-to for our remote company happy hours. Several people have reported laughing so hard they were sore the next day. https://garticphone.com/ https://garticphone.com/
hwers 5y ago
"We've made the scarce resource abundant, finally the scarce thing is democratized!" "Wait why doesn't anyone care about the scarce thing anymore?"
- danuker 5y ago
  According to the book "Abundance", everything gets devalued over time, meaning cheaper and easier to make, leading to some sort of utopia where everyone can afford more and more.
  - nonbirithm 5y ago
    But the hard biological limit of 16 waking hours to consume all those things is unlikely to change anytime soon. With the cheapest yet best methods readily available to anyone, maybe the majority of what we will want to budget our attention spans on will be permanently crowded out by the AI-generated options.
    - danuker 5y ago
      I limit Internet browsing due to its addictiveness. I could have a similar rule for content created by computers.
    - plutonorm 5y ago
      I think the AI will produce more and better content than we ourselves, across the board. We will become consumers and observers of the AI content. The scientific and artistic life of the AI that we create will be more wonderful and beautiful by orders of magnitude than that which we can produce. We will be mere observers to the wondrous explosion, isolated islands of intelligence observing the great continents in awe. Some will merge with the intelligence, some will splinter and reject, most will observe. And the great filter will arrive, the gestalt being that our society becomes will bend apart the fabric of the universe and merge directly into a greater source. et sic transit gloria mundi.
- Allower 5y ago
benlivengood 5y ago
Weren't the last AI-is-impossible holdouts hanging onto creativity as the domain of true intelligence? I disregard the narrow-AI-only folks almost on principle; Terrence Tao, Albert Einstein, Mozart, and Van Gogh couldn't do each others' jobs.
- The_rationalist 5y ago
- donkarma 5y ago
  still can't do hands, and has to be told what to do
- function_seven 5y ago
  I'm hanging on to folding clothes as my litmus test of AI :) Or driving a car everywhere I can.
  - kingcharles 5y ago
    https://foldimate.com/ https://foldimate.com/
    - function_seven 5y ago
      The last update to their blog was in 2019, so I think it's safe to say this is dead. When I click on their FAQ, I get the message, "This HappyFox account is expired. Please contact Administrator." I did find a video[0]. It's just an automated version of the doohickey you see at any clothing store. Seems to require a lot of human input and orientation. When I say "folding clothes" as a challenge for AI, I mean a device that is smart enough to take a pile of laundry, straight from the dryer, and fold each piece correctly. So if it's a t-shirt, then fold the arms inward, then fold that in half so the front is visible. If it's a pair of trousers, then fold each leg along the creases, match them together, and fold over the knee. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcKz63DGHrA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcKz63DGHrA
thenerdhead 5y ago
These are pretty cool. They remind me of magic the gathering art and some are quite visually accurate! At the same time I fear for my illustrator/digital artist friends.
- riffraff 5y ago
  I believe a large part of the illustrator work is tweaking stuff according to feedback, and I suspect no generative AI does that (yet?). I wonder what would happen if you tried tweaking the prompt here to correct it (e.g. "this is ok, but use smaller hands"): does the drawing change slightly, or do you end up in a completely different design space?
jl6 5y ago
One could argue that image generation has been possible for years, using tools like Photoshop, but the prospect of mass automated production of images to order catapults us into a whole new world where our concept of evidence is severely undermined. “Dall-E, generate a collection of images showing plausible war crimes from the current conflict” “Dall-E, take this image of Dallas in 1963 and infer a new angle showing the real shooter” “Dall-E, generate a photoshoot showing a supportive crowd rallying round the leader cheering his latest policy. Work with GPT-3 to generate plausible Twitter profiles, timelines and memes with 3 to 8 year history for each one of the supporters, including fake arguments, 78% of which are won by the pro-leader account.”
- Jeff_Brown 5y ago
  Seems like that's where we're headed. One end-game I imagine would involve more reliance on written, cryptographically-signed testimony, and people having to keep track of whether their sources are fallible (whereas certain media outlets today seem to be able to routinely tell whoppers and not get punished for it).
  - jl6 5y ago
    A world where everybody should be checking the digital signatures and chain of custody of tiktoks… but nobody does.
- divbzero 5y ago
  Reminds me of the reputation-based filtering system that Neal Stephenson described in Anathem for their version of the Internet: “Anyone can post information on any topic. The vast majority of what’s on the Reticulum is, therefore, crap. It has to be filtered.... When I look at a given topic I don’t just see information about that topic. I see meta-information that tells me what the filtering systems learned when they were conducting the search. If I look up analemma, the filtering system tells me that only a few sources have the provided information about this and that they are mostly of high repute.... If I look up the name of a popular music star who just broke up with her boyfriend, the filtering system tells me that a vast amount of data has been posted on this topic quite recently, mostly of very low repute.” Our Internet’s search engines already do a limited version of this, but there’s room to make the reputation-based filtering stronger and more transparent to users.
Evidlo 5y ago
I'm surprised how coherent most of these drawings are, instead of some warped monstronsity like you see from deepdream or thisanimedoesnotexist. Most of them have a theme that makes sense, too.
- Evidlo 5y ago
  OK, it looks like there is still some weirdness if you look at it too closely, like extra fingers or gross faces.
  - jfoster 5y ago
    Those sometimes happen when humans create art, too.
- tempestn 5y ago
  This comment in another thread suggests why that's the case: > In other text-to-image algorithms I'm familiar with (the ones you'll typically see passed around as colab notebooks that people post outputs from on Twitter), the basic idea is to encode the text, and then try to make an image that maximally matches that text encoding. But this maximization often leads to artifacts - if you ask for an image of a sunset, you'll often get multiple suns, because that's even more sunset-like. There's a lot of tricks and hacks to regularize the process so that it's not so aggressive, but it's always an uphill battle. > Here, they instead take the text embedding, use a trained model (what they call the 'prior') to predict the corresponding image embedding - this removes the dangerous maximization. Then, another trained model (the 'decoder') produces images from the predicted embedding. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30933091 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30933091
  - drcode 5y ago
    I also read somewhere that this system has special logic added to it that judges how humans would aesthetically judge the final image, so in a way the impressive aesthetic qualities of these images isn't totally coincidental.
micromacrofoot 5y ago
some of these are quite beautiful... I've seen AI-generated art before, but these are outrageously better, I couldn't really distinguish a lot of these from human-created art this is going to absolutely obliterate some markets for illustration and stock photography, unfortunately
sanman811 5y ago
This tweet provides important context: https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1512119623315075081?s=21&t=HjWLSG-PqBC4XEPNIx-fDg https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1512119623315075081... They weren’t just copying/pasting prompts there was human creativity involved as well
- educaysean 5y ago
  Ah, I wish this fact had been highlighted better. Not a criticism of the tweet author; it's just that twitter threads really aren't designed to convey context.
  - curiousgal 5y ago
    I hate them with every part of my soul! It's so sad to see the internet has moved from people making blog posts to share interesting things to just spraying it on Twitter in batches for maximum interactions.
- recuter 5y ago
  Of course not. I'm no longer surprised just how eager people are to believe an "AI" will read their minds or has magical qualities and a mind of its own. Even on HN. Jiggle the imagination just a little bit, dangle some progress, and we're off to the races. This is "I'm feeling lucky" on google image search + style transfer + trial and error. If you think I am being dismissive try a few of these twitter bios as searches and see for yourselves. I guess it fits with the times we live in. Reward shallow plagarism. Outsource your mind. It isn't theft if you can automate it. Autotune for the deaf, Dall-E for the blind.
  - campground 5y ago
    I tried what you suggested for a bunch of the twitter bios and found nothing except links back to this thread. I also reverse image searched a bunch of them to see if DALL-E was just kind of pasting together large chunks of images, but never found anything close. I do think you're being dismissive but please post any examples of what you mean. I'm a skeptic and have been waiting to find out that this is just a glorified parlor trick, but so far it seems like DALL-E is doing everything the authors claim, which is remarkable.
munk-a 5y ago
So where can we common plebs go to submit paragraphs for generation?
- jazzyjackson 5y ago
  apparently the twitter replies of the tech priesthood is where we are meant to request miracles of the AI
donkarma 5y ago
Incredibly misleading, he didn't directly paste bios into the description and they were massively curated.
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- educaysean 5y ago
  Yeah, learning this fact definitely dulled my initial astonishment. These are still really fantastic results, but it's hard to feel too excited without the knowledge of just how much curative efforts took place behind the curtain.
  - platers 5y ago
    As a lower bound we now know a non artist can produce passable art in a few minutes. There is indeed a large practical difference between a few minutes and a few seconds, but I trust in the power of incremental progress.
- dntrkv 5y ago
  If one of these images came out of a set of 1000 I would still be impressed.
- throwaway675309 5y ago
  Of course they're CURATED, but there are several links where he shows the full set of images that were generated and I would say between 70 to 80% of them are pretty decent aesthetically speaking. Given that it's able to generate a dozen images in less than a minute, and all I have to do is pick out the ones that are aesthetically pleasing, I'd say that's a damn good win.
  - 55555 5y ago
    He’s curated those links too, though.
nicklovescode 5y ago
Hey everyone, Nick here creator of the linked thread. I just wanted to link to another tweet I have with some details of how I made it. TLDR it’s not just the bio pasted directly into dall-e and the images are cherry-picked but dall-e is basically doing 95% of the work here. I have no ability to make art myself, and I found I could illustrate basically any bio I wanted in a couple minutes of playing around. My goal was to create illustrations for my friends not create a dall-e gallery but I’m glad it ended up being a good example of what dall-e can do https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1512119623315075081 https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1512119623315075081
- drcongo 5y ago
  I'm very conflicted here, because on the one hand these are absolutely fantastic and that's really exciting, but on the other hand, some of these are of a level that I could genuinely call "art" and now I'm questioning everything.
mupuff1234 5y ago
I can't help but be suspicious since there is not site to try it out, and I can't think of a good reason as to why there isn't one.
- educaysean 5y ago
  The tool seems to be not open to public "yet". Nothing nefarious. You can join the waitlist here: https://openai.com/dall-e-2/ https://openai.com/dall-e-2/
- MintsJohn 5y ago
  Needed computing power seems a good enough reason to limit it. But I agree it looks too good to be true, only real use will show how well it really works.
  - jazzyjackson 5y ago
    I haven't seen anything about how many GPUs or RAM this thing takes to run - I've been impressed with the volume of material thats been published so far but what's the chance this scales in a way that's profitable? In any case it seems AI is fulfilling its promise of centralizing the economy, since there will be single digit number of renderfarms generating the creative content of the internet, everyone's money flowing upward to Saint Elon
educaysean 5y ago
Wow, okay. I'm kind of blown away at how authentic these paintings look. Even with a very conservative prediction of how these tools could evolve and improve over the years, the signal is strong that our relationship with the meaning of "art" itself will have a fundamental shift.
KaoruAoiShiho 5y ago
Dall-E will be really good for my creators on https://dulst.com https://dulst.com (card game platform)
zuzun 5y ago
Oof. Editorial illustrators are about to get automated.
- tantalor 5y ago
  No, you still need humans involved (with artistic ability) to work the machine and sort through the chaff.
  - ALittleLight 5y ago
    Maybe, maybe not. A different model could predict whether candidate images are or aren't a good fit and beyond that you could generate multiple options and A/B test them generating new permutations on the fly based on engagement metrics.
  - rsanek 5y ago
    The colloquial usage of "automated" isn't literally "no humans are involved at all" but rather more along the lines of, the effort involved or expertise required is orders of magnitude lower than it was previously. I think for this case, it holds.
  - Permit 5y ago
    > with artistic ability With artistic taste, not ability. For example the author likely couldn’t have created any of these images himself.
    - jdminhbg 5y ago
      And even if the author could have created them himself, he couldn't have done it in the span of a few minutes each like he did for the thread.
  - schroeding 5y ago
    But how many humans will still be necessary, in comparison to the status quo? How much will this affect the "market value" of normal / non-famous illustrators? But on the plus side, even small publications will get really pretty, custom illustrations! :)
refulgentis 5y ago
It was striking to: - read the OpenAI paper - notice there was a lot of words in the harm section - notice the mitigations boiled down to "limit access" (a marketing strategy) & "put rando colors in a very easy place to crop out", have them note how easy it was to crop, yet they still went with that strategy - notice no one in actual AI art community has received an invite, but random SV hoi polloi and OpenAI employees have I had been worried about the moneyed class taking all the work we had done in the open source community informing their approach (check citations on the Dalle paper), privatize it via applying it to a large dataset they built, and not share _any_ of their data or models because "harm reduction" that amounted to marketing x not risking their ability to monetize. It was shocking to see DallE 2 get announced and take that exact approach. We'll keep working, LAIONs 5B dataset starts approaching the #s cited in Meta's and OpenAI's papers.
- cscurmudgeon 5y ago
  > - notice no one in actual AI art community has received an invite, but random SV hoi polloi and OpenAI employees have Same with GPT-3. Requested an invite. Never received one. I have written survey articles comparing different methods. So thta was probably a red flag for them.
- jazzyjackson 5y ago
  Thank you for putting this into words, "SV hoi polloi" ! perfect I'm pretty tweaked at how copyright is used here: Google gets to scan every book in the world, build derivative models off it, but when we want to see the source data we get "page ommitted from this limited preview" OpenAI CLIP scrapes all of google images, but isn't allowed to show us the source material in its training set, since that would constitute copyright infringement Why do the robots have the rights to the world's information while humans are left to the derivative output as the internet is flooded with auto-encoded content? I'm going to start my own internet, no bots allowed. In the future, privacy is tantamount, if you let a bot see your work you're bound to be plagiarized in a thousand variations.
tailspin2019 5y ago
These are so good, it's breaking my brain a little. They're not just conceptually accurate, but to my eyes they're pleasing to look at from a purely artistic point of view. I'd put these on my wall. I already take a fairly bullish position on the potential of AI, given a long enough timeframe, but it does feel like we're reaching a bit of a tipping point here. It's starting to prod at the paradigms I hold in my head about what I think "art" is. In a turing-syle blind test of these DALL-E artworks, I think most people would be unable to tell the AI generated art from that of human artists. And I imagine that it follows that the same will be the case for music in the near future too, and likely most other artistic endeavours eventually. I like to write music. I respect the output of other musicians (my fellow "artists") and I am driven, by both intrinsic and extrinsic rewards to keep trying to get better at my "art". But when an AI can produce works that match or exceed my art (based on whatever the measures are that we already judge art by) - it prompts some interesting questions. Does it lower the subjective value of human-produced art by virtue of reducing scarcity, and increasing accessibility? Of course, DALL-E is trained on the output of human artists. But art is already recursive in that respect - human artists themselves are trained on the output of other artists. So that's not so different... I guess it's the same paradigm as mass production vs hand crafting. When we pick the cheaper, mass produced item, we lose out on some of the humanity and soul that's baked into hand-crafted goods. But history has shown that we'll gladly take the cheaper, more accessible, more predictable option in most cases. The commoditisation of art. When things are commoditised, I tend to think that the opportunity for the creation of value (by humans) tends to move up an abstraction level. As technology becomes commoditised at a certain level, then the orchestration and management of that technology becomes the new speciality where humans are useful and can create value. When that orchestration layer is commoditised, it's the next level up that we can turn their attention to. So the new art maybe becomes meta-art. Perhaps human artistic endeavours become more about curation rather than creation? Or will AI art never reach a sufficient level to be considered equal to, or better than human-produced art? We can hide behind the subjectivity of all this, but something like a blind identification test (AI vs Human) removes some of that subjectivity fairly easily...
- disqard 5y ago
  I thought you might like to know about "Experiments in Musical Intelligence" (aka "Emmy"), David Cope's creation, now "deceased": https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jul/11/david-cope-computer-composer https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jul/11/david-cop... "One day Cope pushed a button on Emmy, went out to get a sandwich and when he returned his workaholic creation had produced 5,000 original Bach chorales."
2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
Cruelty Squad vibes
fay59 5y ago
Someone should make an online version of Mysterium that uses Dall-E to make the picture cards!
zaking17 5y ago
These are evocative images. I love a bunch of them! Knowing that this model was trained on a huge corpus of existing images makes them feel a bit like the output of a visual search engine -- finding relevant pieces and stitching them together. But it's more than that, because the stitching happens at different levels. They are often thematically and aesthetically cohesive in a way that feels intelligent. Maybe we're just search engines of a similar kind. An additional aspect of human art is that it (usually) takes time to make. The artist might spend many hours creating and reflecting and creating some more. The artist's engagement with the work makes its way into the final product, and that makes human art richer. Could future Dall-E version create sketches and iterations of a work; is there a limit to this mimicry? I'm feeling future shock; heavy future shock.
- rndphs 5y ago
  Human artists also do a whole lot of mimicry. One could look at art produced by many artists and say that it is just things stitched together from pre-existing art. “Good artists copy, great artists steal.”
  - zarzavat 5y ago
    For example the “enterprise vector people” graphics you see on every corporate website. Most human art is extremely repetitive. AI art seems to be coming from the opposite direction to human artists - from a starting position of maximum creativity and weirdness (e.g. early AI art such as Deep Dream looked like an acid trip) and advancements in the field come from toning it down to be less weird but more recognizable as the human concept of “art”. And DALL-E is impressive exactly because it has traded some of that creativity/weirdness away. But it’s still pretty damn weird.
kingcharles 5y ago
Remember, these are all public domain, at least in the USA which does not allow copyright assignments to the artistic output of machines.
- robbedpeter 5y ago
  No, they're copyrighted by OpenAI. Copyright has to be assigned to a human or company owned by humans. The recent kerfuffle over copyright was a dumbass trying to legitimize copyright assignment to the software itself. Copyright with dall-e is just like copyright with photoshop or any other software. The user of the tool owns the output. Subject to whatever other limitations and requirements OpenAI wants.
  - jazzyjackson 5y ago
    (c) Copyright. OpenAI will not assert copyright over Content generated by the API for you or your end users. https://openai.com/api/policies/terms/ https://openai.com/api/policies/terms/ Notice this doesn't imply they possess any copyright in the first place - just that they won't make an issue of it. Copyright in USA is automatic for the author, I think whether the user of software is the author of an AI's work is yet to be established in the courts, but its pretty clear the creator of the software doesn't own its output. The dumbass you refer to was testing patent law by trying to register his software as the inventor but the copyright case is different: > the office’s 2019 ruling [...] found his A.I.-created image “lacks the human authorship necessary to support a copyright claim.” > Thaler noted to the [US Copyright Office] he was “seeking to register this computer-generated work as a work-for-hire to the owner of the Creativity Machine.” https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-office-rules-ai-art-cant-be-copyrighted-180979808/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-offic...
- gwern 5y ago
  The USA requires _de minimis_ human contribution; the prompts here definitely qualify as human choice, he's not simply sampling random images, but exercising quite a bit of choice and creativity as he learns to prompt-engineer for DALL-E 2 and also selects, and so there is a copyright to be had.
Mizza 5y ago
This is going to put a lot of artists out of work in a very short time. Not happy about that.
- CamelRocketFish 5y ago
  I imagine you were also unhappy when switchboard operators were replaced by computers as well.
- xwdv 5y ago
  They will move on to more stable careers.
EGreg 5y ago
When will an API be available for the rest of us?
imwillofficial 5y ago
Is there a way normal humans like me can do stuff like this. Like is there a Dall-E 2 app I can download?
TOMDM 5y ago
Creative industries are on the cusp of a massive upset. Relatively soon, there will be commercial models of this quality for music/code/text/speech/images/3d models etc. Once these AI generated assets flow like water into the hands of creators, it will significantly change the way people work. I'm sure some people in this thread have had a taste of this working with Copilot. For me, it's most useful as an un-sticking tool, to get me moving again, or providing half remembered syntax for a language I don't use as frequently. There's no reason to expect that similar use cases won't make their way into other industries. - Rapid prototypes of models/textures for video games. - Quick and easy samples for musicians. - Emotive speech for audio books and transcriptions. It won't replace everything, but so much of our media uses art as noise, to fill a gap, and with this, it can be done almost everywhere on the cheap.
- dorkwood 5y ago
  I think texture generation is ripe for disruption. Imagine a tool that could generate a set of tiling PBR textures based on a few input parameters. Or one where you define which areas of a UV map should be windows, doors, or walls, and it generates a set of texture variations. What used to take days or weeks could take seconds.
  - TOMDM 5y ago
    Exactly. I can't imagine how much media would begin to use 3d assets if it became an order of magnitude cheaper to do so. Not to mention, imagine the pipeline of 1. "GPT-3, give me 10,000 descriptions of different doors" 2. "Dall-E 2, give me PBR textures for these 10,000 door descriptions" 3. Repeat 1 and 2 for every asset you need 4. "Dall-E 2, give me 10,000 floorplans for apartments, common areas, shopping centers etc." 5. "GPT-3, describe the contents of this apartment/common area/shopping center etc." 6. Use an algorithm to parse out the floorplans (ditch the ones that don't work, we can just generate more), populate it with assets specified in step 5 and generated in steps 1 and 2. We could proceduraly generate entire cities for games with unique assets everywhere. It would still probably look nicer with a human in the loop, but the possibilities are staggering.
smrtinsert 5y ago
Almost unbelievable. I'm randomly reminded of the chess automaton.
nonbirithm 5y ago
I'm imaging a future where the top replies to art posted online will become "keywords please" or "what model". Hosting sites may start to enact "AI treatises" into their terms of service that segregate human- and AI- generated content into separate areas and ask users to report entries that they suspect do not belong in either. Asking "what model did you use" becomes an insult to a sizeable portion of artistic creators, a genuine question for others, and a phrase whose implications cannot be avoided for all people involved. What belief systems will we form around AI art after it becomes clear that it's never going away? Many people say that art is subjective. I am thinking that if or when parity between art from humans and AI is achieved, some people are going to believe that a humanistic quality of some sort will be trampled upon in the realization that the two types of art really are indistinguishable. Others might believe that AI art is just another tool that they believe expresses their thoughts. The different beliefs might be fundamentally unresolvable, and this may become an unending source of distrust and sadness in certain art circles within the next decade. I do not look forward to how this tech will interact with online culture several years from now.
lofatdairy 5y ago
Context in mind, what jumps out to me is a remarkable compositional competence of the algorithm, even when given extremely vague prompts like "happy sisyphus". The images match the prompt remarkably well with a few notable exceptions like "cottagecore tech-adjacent young robert moses", where it seemed to have focused on "cottage" rather heavily, not understanding cottagecore as an aesthetic neologism, and "power bottom dad is for the people", which definitely got the "dad" part, but it looks like it still struggled to understand "power bottom" (perhaps the curation of training data may have contributed to this). Even if these were curated specifically to match the prompt, what the algorithm was able to do with profiles is amazing (especially bearing in mind that these profiles are meant to be evocative, intentionally idiosyncratic blendings of extremely complex, contextual terms that were written without visual representation in mind, even if they gesture at specific aesthetics) Side note: what might make artists a bit relieved is the fact that artifacting is still pretty apparent even in the curated examples. Fine details or even whole figures sometime devolve into that scrambled topography familiar to AI art. Even in more compositionally competent artworks, the "brush strokes" frequently have identifiable blurs at the margins. Text also seems to be gibberish even if aesthetically coherent. Even still, these are all such minor issues that additional photoshop would be both easy and readily doable. Overall, this is frankly stunning and I'm really excited to see what others come up with. I feel like it's language and composition ability definitely did not disappoint the hype of its press release.
- jonas21 5y ago
  > "power bottom dad is for the people", which definitely got the "dad" part, but it looks like it still struggled to understand "power bottom" To be fair, as a human, I struggle to understand what this means.
  - moeris 5y ago
    At least in gay culture, power bottom has a pretty specific meaning. I imagine "for the people" is referencing socialist leanings. Admittedly, it could mean many things. But it pushes my mind towards fully automated gay space communism.
throwaway675309 5y ago
Integrate Samsung frame art mode with DALL-E with ability to set painting style (oil, pastel, etc) for a limitless gallery.
detritus 5y ago
Am I the only person here to think this is utter bullshit and some amazingly-developed prank? Otherwise, my stomach is in knots, because this is terrifying.
- boppo1 5y ago
  Check out my post history 2 before this one. We'll be fine.
  - detritus 5y ago
    Sub-GAI algorithms don't need an competence in 'fine' art to derive vicious selection criteria for processing meatbags. It's not the compiled art processing here that terrifies me, it's the complexity of logic underpinning that is displayed and how it could be used elsewhere.
- BlueTemplar 5y ago
  Basically my feeling about GPT-3 (or was it 2?) when it "released", except with a low weight for the prank possibility.
  - plutonorm 5y ago
    yes, finally the world is catching up with things.
tarxzvf 5y ago
This is impressive. Yet, before you go the AGI is nigh, ask yourself a simple question: will this spiral in or spiral out? If we feed everything the model comes up with back as training data, will we get Endless Forms Most Beautiful or will we get an equilibrium?
- passion__desire 5y ago
  Pair this up with the electric sheep paradigm. Evolving the images and prompts together. Voted by people on their screensavers.
wallfacer120 5y ago
Better than Beeple.
shon 5y ago
Oof. I’m selling my Fiverr stock right now.
avalys 5y ago
This makes Dall-E 2 both more and less impressive to me. More impressive, because of how good it is at capturing and synthesizing a wide variety of topics in a reasonably coherent way, and how it seems like it would actually be a viable mechanism for creating actual artwork, or at the very least, a source of inspiration for a human artist to touch-up on later. Less impressive, in that it's pretty obvious it's not any more advanced than a graphical version of GPT-2, which is parroting content and styles that it has basically memorized and is really good at interpolating between. Because there's no such thing as a "logical contradiction" in this sort of illustration, compared to a paragraph of text or a code listing, the fact that it's just interpolating between a huge database of memorized content isn't as easy to spot as with GPT-2, and matters less in the actual end result.
- fastball 5y ago
  > obvious it's not any more advanced than a graphical version of GPT-2 What makes this obvious?
- mherrmann 5y ago
  > parroting content and styles that it has basically memorized and is really good at interpolating between. Maybe that's what exactly what we humans do too?
  - csee 5y ago
    Not just. Humans invented the styles that DALL-E is using in the first place. The emergence of these novel styles isn't just interpolation. DALL-E, while incredible, seems stuck within the scope of these styles.
    - kzrdude 5y ago
      for comparison, I imagine we put together a team of the best teachers and try to bring up 30 pupils with good education. When we evaluate the pupils in the end, we have this dry conversation - did we bring up any geniuses? Are they just interpolating between different styles that they have learned? I think that in the case of the 30 pupils we would say that they have creativity, ingenuity, showing signs of thinking for themselves. It would not be as ambiguous as it is with Dall-E2's art.
bayesian_horse 5y ago
Could someone point me how to make such images yourself? This may be a naive question as it may require non-public code and data... I've seen public colab notebooks with Dall-E but they don't work currently (package problems) and seem to produce a different style of results.
isoprophlex 5y ago
These are so fucking good-looking. Can't believe it.
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dude3 5y ago
There is a lot of emphasis on eyes. Same thing in Google’s deep dream. Eerie.
csee 5y ago
Stunning. My question is whether more compute and more data will be sufficient for the AI to create its own art styles. Everything we see here are within the stylistic paradigms created by previous humans.
- isoprophlex 5y ago
  Probably, interpolating betweem styles or extrapolating to unseen styles doesn't seem too far fetched. However an art style also needs context: human appreciation of aesthetic values, human recognition of a style wrt prior movements... without an "ecosystem of artists and viewers" it might not be so useful. Nevertheless... As a tool for artists to explore new avenues of expression this could be a fantastic tool, i think.
mherrmann 5y ago
Can't wait for this for music. To fix the costly cherry-picking process, Spotify should play AI-generated songs in between others. Those who get good engagement should then rise to the top.
grumbel 5y ago
Are there any examples of what this thing produces when run on recognizable brands or characters, i.e. Sonic, Mario, Coca Cola, Star Wars, etc. instead of generic words like "astronauts on horse"? The one I have seen so far[1] is the Twitter logo one, but it's hard to tell if the "Twitter" had much effect here or if it's just the "blue bird" that did it. [1] https://nitter.net/pic/media%2FFPwj5G-WUA8__UC.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig https://nitter.net/pic/media%2FFPwj5G-WUA8__UC.jpg%3Fname%3D...
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- grumbel 5y ago
  Golum: https://old.reddit.com/r/MediaSynthesis/comments/u1gkr8/dalle2_gollum_writes_his_autobiography/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MediaSynthesis/comments/u1gkr8/dall... Rick and Morty: https://old.reddit.com/r/MediaSynthesis/comments/u0ihh7/dalle_2_rick_and_morty_on_a_planet_made_of_giant/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MediaSynthesis/comments/u0ihh7/dall... Pikachu: https://old.reddit.com/r/MediaSynthesis/comments/u03kfv/dalle_2_a_stunning_photograph_of_a_pikachu/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MediaSynthesis/comments/u03kfv/dall...
mupuff1234 5y ago
Now to connect it with the Nvidia tech demo that turns 2d pictures to a 3d environment.
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haunter 5y ago
Tumblr and Twitter NSFW will not be the same after this. Like this is pure cocaine for porn addicts
dash2 5y ago
Obviously, from the AI point of view, this is just amazing and frankly terrifying. OK, I'll be the guy who brings the snark. It seems that when Silicon Valley tech people create AI, it makes exactly the art you'd expect Silicon Valley tech people to like. I.e. this is very much the style you see in NFTs, or, as someone else said, in Dixit. It's quirky and stoner-ish, very "transcendental"... for an AI, it's amazing... For a human, it would be dross. Yeah, yeah, I know, art is subjective, well I like it, how can you impose your tastes on the rest of the world, et cetera et cetera. Sorry, but it's dross! It's the kind of work the guy in the art shop up the road churns out, and sells to the ignorant locals in my town. It's the art equivalent of Visual Basic. (I'm trying to get through to you that in this world, too, things can not just be done, but be done well or badly.) If there's a lesson on the AI side here (and maybe there isn't) it is just that these machines are still copying. They were trained on a bunch of art - and you can clearly see the kind of art that was used. Presumably, if it were just trained on Old Masters and Picasso, Dall-E would be mass-producing the stuff I, an intellectual, like. Note the difference, though, with a real artist. A real artist takes as input the real world - Rouen cathedral, the horrors of war in Spain, a Campbell's soup can - and produces art as output. This takes as input art and produces more art.
- animanoir 5y ago
  I think the next step is for machines to have taste.
- _han 5y ago
  Was this an unsarcastic “I, an intellectual, […]”?
  - lanternfish 5y ago
    I do believe it was - and it also betrays the critique: there is a wealth of discourse on what "real" art is - and that discourse has largely moved beyond "art as representative of real world phenomena". That attitude is a component of a larger set of reactionary positions which try to reject modern and post-modern developments in the artistic world as misguided - an orientation which often tries to justify itself through an appeal to the "old masters" and a failure of some modern caste of charlatan art-theorists who've usurped the true intelligentsia. NFT art is art - probably more-so on an accidental level than by any intention of the original creator. There is a perversity to the context in which it is created, and that contributes to its artistic footprint orthogonal to its actual aesthetic value. The same is true of this AI generated art. It's a different artistic fingerprint than - say - Dali, but that doesn't mark it as "bad". If anything, the fact that it's created by a machine puts it in a league entirely of its own. There's a great opportunity here for interrogation of art in a machine created context, and I'm excited to see how the dialog around it evolves.
riidom 5y ago
Article about same/similar topic: https://arnicas.substack.com/p/titaa-28-visual-poetry-humans-and?s=r https://arnicas.substack.com/p/titaa-28-visual-poetry-humans...
lgvld 5y ago
i am surprised the only drawing of woman it generates is when the bio explicitly contains the word "female". bias in AI I guess.
ThePhysicist 5y ago
Would it be possible to have an algorithm that produces the images from the training set whose parts are most similar to the produced output? This looks super impressive but I still wonder how much the network just recycles parts of images it has seen before.
- totony 5y ago
  Yes, as far as i understand this is pretty simple given how dall e is made. Simple vector similarity search would work on the image embeddings (i think)
- BrianOnHN 5y ago
  This question peers into the "explainable AI" issue of "black box" solutions like this. Based on my understanding, the only way to do this would be to write a separate classifier algorithm using the same dataset.
realPubkey 5y ago
As always, these results are cherry picked by OpenAI. Same as GPT-2/3, the "average" output of the model is barely useable.
- ItsMattyG 5y ago
  Not so. He shows an example of the 10 he chose from, basically all were good.
marcodiego 5y ago
These drawings... they have personality.
dredmorbius 5y ago
https://nitter.net/nickcammarata/status/1511861061988892675 https://nitter.net/nickcammarata/status/1511861061988892675
gompertz 5y ago
It's almost like these were trained using Byte magazine covers! Amazing tech.. I'm blown away.
guilhas 5y ago
So many questions This makes you think what is real art? Beauty, meaning, context Can this achieve real art? Or just composing existing art? If we don't preserve the art industry, and global industry flocks to the lowest common denominator, what will that mean for the future of art If an artist invents something new and someone unrelated uses it to train a model and generate 100s of compositions who should profit from it? What was the "license" on the images used to train the model
lichteins 5y ago
マヤノトップガン
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もりやしゅんと
mykel83 5y ago
I am a fresher here I’d love to learn
uguisain 5y ago
An archaeologist once said, "The most merciful thing in the world is the human heart that cannot associate everything together" Everything that happens in this world has a coherent causal relationship. Whether it is technological development, territorial domination, or even unavoidable natural disasters or unexpected accidents, no one should stay out of it. If people are willing to face it, perhaps many things will not evolve to the worst level, but in this case, people usually choose to turn a blind eye in order to protect themselves, or some people are very willing to sacrifice other things for selfishness, they It is taken for granted that only the victims will bear the consequences in the end, but it is not the case, the laws of the world will one day pay back all cause and effect. However, this is only limited to the things that the "law" can take effect. When "exceptions" fill the whole world, then the fate of this world will be nothing but despair.
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The fact that this is behind some bizarre invite-only pay-to-experiment exclusive club is disappointing and sad. Funnily enough, it brings me nostalgic memories of the days where I had to wait for hours just to get a chance to use the school's only computer for 30 minutes.

joshcryer 5y ago
ElutherAI or others will probably recreate it based on the paper they released. the main innovation is CLIP and how they changed how it approaches turning text into images.
Bud 5y ago
It's not "bizarre" that computing resources cost money and are finite. Nor is "pay-to-experiment" accurate. Nor is "exclusive club" really fair, or in good faith. It's a beta that they are running with their own resources. It makes complete sense that they'd have to limit access.
systemvoltage 5y ago
I disagree. I am glad people are getting paid (exceptionally well) to do stuff like this and they should charge for their efforts. We need more initiatives like this, not less. Open source is amazing boon to our generation, it has enabled free access to basic building blocks for people to build amazing things. But I don't think it is a silver bullet for everything.
mrjangles 5y ago
It really says a lot about what an amazing society we have created in that here we have some people making history by revolutionizing our understanding of something that was (at least in the past) considered absolutely fundamental and unique to the human condition... ...and one of the things that people find remarkable about it is that it isn't immediately and freely available to everyone on earth.
- throwaway48375 5y ago
  To be fair they call themselves OpenAI. Expecting things to be a little more open isn't unreasonable. They are kinda setting themselves up to disappoint people with that name.
- PoignardAzur 5y ago
  Yeah, but I really wish I could use the thing right now. I DM roleplaying games, and I'd love having the ability to just generate high-quality procedural artwork illustrating whatever my last game is. I'm not too upset, though. The way the technology is progressing, it's a pretty short time span between "the bleeding edge researchers can do it" and "there's a phone app that can do it for free".
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inb4_cancelled 5y ago

I'm genuinely terrified.

amelius 5y ago

Perhaps someone can write a HN reader where headlines are fed through Dall-E, and the images appear on top of the stories.

jasonjayr 5y ago
This totally could be coupled with a CMS/Blogging platform that automatically adds illustrations from headlines/pullquotes
- a-r-t 5y ago
  And coupled with GPT-3...
  - jer0me 5y ago
    This appears to be entirely, if poorly, computer generated: https://www.dreamsopedia.com/dream-about-eating-child.html https://www.dreamsopedia.com/dream-about-eating-child.html
- Bilal_io 5y ago
  This could replace a huge portion of the stock image market. For example, The Verge writes an article about Microsoft, they don't need to pay royalties for an image that has Microsoft logo displayed on a building, one can be generated for them.
  - TOMDM 5y ago
    MS powerpoint already has a feature to suggest stock images based on slide title. With this, you could get a consistent art style and theme on your slides, and be truly unique too. $ART_STYLE + $COLOR_THEME + $SLIDE_TITLE
hans1729 5y ago
That’s an _amazing_ idea.
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deltaonefour 5y ago

The trajectory of AI is both amazing and horrifying. Most of us are born in an era where we can witness the change and play with toy versions of AI products. The next generation of people will have their lives truly changed by AI, for the better or for worse.

cwkoss 5y ago
It will be better! Giving every human the tools to make expressive works of art without having to train for years will be awesome for society! I'm playing with some of the neanderthal-relatives of dall-e 2 and already have several that I kind of want to analog-paint copies of so I can hang em on my wall. I don't even think artists are going to be meaningfully hurt from this - in fact, I think this is going to increase demand for art, because now the 'patron' can participate in the composition process more meaningfully.
- troyvit 5y ago
  I hope you're right but the feeling I get is that it's going to increase the _supply_ of art until it becomes meaningless. For instance why should anybody paint an astronaut on a horse anymore? It was a great idea and now it's been done. In the near future when you look at art you won't know whether it was created directly by a human or by an AI. What will that do to its appreciation?
  - cwkoss 5y ago
    Why is a human-painting of an astronaut on a horse valuable now? I view this as detangling composition from the mechanical skills of art production. Perhaps this will make a new type of art job - AI wrangler - whose job is collaborating with AI to get a good composition, then the composition can be handed over to someone with the mechanical skills to render it in the real world, if humans making the brush strokes is important. I'd imagine that if we gave these tools to a skilled painter to help in their compositional brainstorming process, they'd find many good ideas they'd like to incorporate into their works in a short period of time. But, I'm not a skilled painter, so could be wrong.

arriu 5y ago

Is there a future for art with this type of thing getting more advanced each year?

jstummbillig 5y ago
The future of art is for you. Just as with every other occupation.
sharps_xp 5y ago
The generated art is impressive, but there is no drawing that'll replace the one my daughter draws for me. AI generated art can reach and perhaps push the boundaries of what is considered beautiful, but it will never replace the art created by a human. Yes, there is a future for art.
- throwaway675309 5y ago
  Sure, but that speaks more to your personal connection to the creator of the art and less to her actual artistic ability, which might be utter drivel. Whereas I could take some of these images generated by DALLE, slap a human sounding artist name on them, and 99% of the general populace would enjoy it just as they were the human produced art.
dharmab 5y ago
There are artists who use AI art as an instrument or medium. They do considerable work tuning the inputs and post-processing and contextualizing the output.
6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
Yes, just like there was a future for art once the photograph was invented. Certain parts of art contracted, but overall art changed and expanded.
whateveracct 5y ago
The ability to draw, paint, etc will still be highly valuable. In fact, in a world where the average artwork is AI derived, the value of skilled artists may even go up. There's more to art than technically putting lines places.

kache_ 5y ago

I've had my head in the sand for a while regarding generative AI, but now I'm getting pretty scared

alcover 5y ago
I'm in disbelief.. Scared also - why not ? Someone knowledgable in this thread, please tell us it's possible to backtrace such an illustration to its learning set sources. If these things are not just a controlled average(?) of real drawings, then something gigantic has been unlocked.
- gfodor 5y ago
  I'm gonna go with unlocked on this one.
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
  There's a sense in which they're a controlled average of real drawings, but it's not any more useful of a lens than the sense in which you're a controlled average of your experiences.
- mortenjorck 5y ago
  > I'm in disbelief.. Scared also - why not ? I'm the former, but not the latter. It is eerie seeing code (especially running in the vast black box that is deep learning) do things so humanlike, but I always come back to the analogy of manned flight. We are on the precipice of a Kitty Hawk moment in AI. But just as the Wright Brothers' plane was not a bird, it's worth remembering that these systems are not minds. They are almost certainly utilizing some of the same principles that minds use, just as fixed-wing aircraft utilized the same principles at work in avian bodies, but they are coming to them via a different route from nature. It's thrilling seeing these breakthroughs, and just as manned flight transformed the world, whatever the likes of GPT, PaLM, and DALL-E become will make the future weird in ways we can't predict.

contextfree 5y ago

The two images from the "young Robert Moses" etc bio are cool, but the fact they both have such a similar layout and style, with the same "giant hands" framing that doesn't follow from the prompt in any obvious way, makes me wonder if there's some particular source art that "inspired" both. Couldn't find it on Google or Bing images, though.

JohnBerea 5y ago
The hand symbolize the Red Sea Parting of Moses.
- contextfree 5y ago
  interesting hypothesis!
nicklovescode 5y ago
for that one IIRC I asked for a Robert Moses and one of the cooler ones had giant hands so I put that in the prompt then took two of my favorite from the next batch
- contextfree 5y ago
  thanks for the response!
Nition 5y ago
It would be nice if every AI like this had an option to show the 10 closest-matching training images to the output. Especially for ones like thispersondoesnotexist.com.

drcongo 5y ago

These are amazing!

sc00ty 5y ago

This is so interesting. If anyone has played the board game Dixit, the images generated here feel like they would fit right in. I could totally see this being used for custom decks in Tabletop Simulator. For those unfamiliar, you can see some examples of the actual game cards here: https://www.libellud.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/DIXIT_OVERVIEW.pdf https://www.libellud.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/DIXIT_OV... (PDF warning)

jkingsman 5y ago
That was my first thought as well! The directed, purposeful illustrations that are open to myriad interpretations feel so much like the Dall-E work.
cwkoss 5y ago
Would be fun to play a game of telestrations/garticphone where you get a prompt, select the ai-generated image you think most accurately represents it, then the human tries to write a caption which captures it most accurately, and you see how the work evolves as it passes through multiple players. (Could also probably generate some fantastic training data)
- sc00ty 5y ago
  This is a great idea! Around 13 years ago I played this web-based game called Broken Picture Telephone (the site seems to be back, but it was shut down for a long time). It had a very similar concept to Telestrations. A user would start with a phrase or description, the next user would draw what was written, and the next would describe it. Repeat until n rounds are complete. At the end, everyone can see how the game evolved. I ended up writing my own after it first shut down and even though the community was small, it was incredibly fun. Doing this with Dall-E 2 sounds like a fun project to bring back some nostalgia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_Picture_Telephone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_Picture_Telephone
  - cwkoss 5y ago
    Sounds exactly like GarticPhone - great game: it's free and only requires a web browser. It's become the go-to for our remote company happy hours. Several people have reported laughing so hard they were sore the next day. https://garticphone.com/ https://garticphone.com/

hwers 5y ago

"We've made the scarce resource abundant, finally the scarce thing is democratized!" "Wait why doesn't anyone care about the scarce thing anymore?"

danuker 5y ago
According to the book "Abundance", everything gets devalued over time, meaning cheaper and easier to make, leading to some sort of utopia where everyone can afford more and more.
- nonbirithm 5y ago
  But the hard biological limit of 16 waking hours to consume all those things is unlikely to change anytime soon. With the cheapest yet best methods readily available to anyone, maybe the majority of what we will want to budget our attention spans on will be permanently crowded out by the AI-generated options.
  - danuker 5y ago
    I limit Internet browsing due to its addictiveness. I could have a similar rule for content created by computers.
  - plutonorm 5y ago
    I think the AI will produce more and better content than we ourselves, across the board. We will become consumers and observers of the AI content. The scientific and artistic life of the AI that we create will be more wonderful and beautiful by orders of magnitude than that which we can produce. We will be mere observers to the wondrous explosion, isolated islands of intelligence observing the great continents in awe. Some will merge with the intelligence, some will splinter and reject, most will observe. And the great filter will arrive, the gestalt being that our society becomes will bend apart the fabric of the universe and merge directly into a greater source. et sic transit gloria mundi.
Allower 5y ago

benlivengood 5y ago

Weren't the last AI-is-impossible holdouts hanging onto creativity as the domain of true intelligence? I disregard the narrow-AI-only folks almost on principle; Terrence Tao, Albert Einstein, Mozart, and Van Gogh couldn't do each others' jobs.

The_rationalist 5y ago
donkarma 5y ago
still can't do hands, and has to be told what to do
function_seven 5y ago
I'm hanging on to folding clothes as my litmus test of AI :) Or driving a car everywhere I can.
- kingcharles 5y ago
  https://foldimate.com/ https://foldimate.com/
  - function_seven 5y ago
    The last update to their blog was in 2019, so I think it's safe to say this is dead. When I click on their FAQ, I get the message, "This HappyFox account is expired. Please contact Administrator." I did find a video[0]. It's just an automated version of the doohickey you see at any clothing store. Seems to require a lot of human input and orientation. When I say "folding clothes" as a challenge for AI, I mean a device that is smart enough to take a pile of laundry, straight from the dryer, and fold each piece correctly. So if it's a t-shirt, then fold the arms inward, then fold that in half so the front is visible. If it's a pair of trousers, then fold each leg along the creases, match them together, and fold over the knee. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcKz63DGHrA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcKz63DGHrA

thenerdhead 5y ago

These are pretty cool. They remind me of magic the gathering art and some are quite visually accurate! At the same time I fear for my illustrator/digital artist friends.

riffraff 5y ago
I believe a large part of the illustrator work is tweaking stuff according to feedback, and I suspect no generative AI does that (yet?). I wonder what would happen if you tried tweaking the prompt here to correct it (e.g. "this is ok, but use smaller hands"): does the drawing change slightly, or do you end up in a completely different design space?

jl6 5y ago

One could argue that image generation has been possible for years, using tools like Photoshop, but the prospect of mass automated production of images to order catapults us into a whole new world where our concept of evidence is severely undermined. “Dall-E, generate a collection of images showing plausible war crimes from the current conflict” “Dall-E, take this image of Dallas in 1963 and infer a new angle showing the real shooter” “Dall-E, generate a photoshoot showing a supportive crowd rallying round the leader cheering his latest policy. Work with GPT-3 to generate plausible Twitter profiles, timelines and memes with 3 to 8 year history for each one of the supporters, including fake arguments, 78% of which are won by the pro-leader account.”

Jeff_Brown 5y ago
Seems like that's where we're headed. One end-game I imagine would involve more reliance on written, cryptographically-signed testimony, and people having to keep track of whether their sources are fallible (whereas certain media outlets today seem to be able to routinely tell whoppers and not get punished for it).
- jl6 5y ago
  A world where everybody should be checking the digital signatures and chain of custody of tiktoks… but nobody does.
divbzero 5y ago
Reminds me of the reputation-based filtering system that Neal Stephenson described in Anathem for their version of the Internet: “Anyone can post information on any topic. The vast majority of what’s on the Reticulum is, therefore, crap. It has to be filtered.... When I look at a given topic I don’t just see information about that topic. I see meta-information that tells me what the filtering systems learned when they were conducting the search. If I look up analemma, the filtering system tells me that only a few sources have the provided information about this and that they are mostly of high repute.... If I look up the name of a popular music star who just broke up with her boyfriend, the filtering system tells me that a vast amount of data has been posted on this topic quite recently, mostly of very low repute.” Our Internet’s search engines already do a limited version of this, but there’s room to make the reputation-based filtering stronger and more transparent to users.

Evidlo 5y ago

I'm surprised how coherent most of these drawings are, instead of some warped monstronsity like you see from deepdream or thisanimedoesnotexist. Most of them have a theme that makes sense, too.

Evidlo 5y ago
OK, it looks like there is still some weirdness if you look at it too closely, like extra fingers or gross faces.
- jfoster 5y ago
  Those sometimes happen when humans create art, too.
tempestn 5y ago
This comment in another thread suggests why that's the case: > In other text-to-image algorithms I'm familiar with (the ones you'll typically see passed around as colab notebooks that people post outputs from on Twitter), the basic idea is to encode the text, and then try to make an image that maximally matches that text encoding. But this maximization often leads to artifacts - if you ask for an image of a sunset, you'll often get multiple suns, because that's even more sunset-like. There's a lot of tricks and hacks to regularize the process so that it's not so aggressive, but it's always an uphill battle. > Here, they instead take the text embedding, use a trained model (what they call the 'prior') to predict the corresponding image embedding - this removes the dangerous maximization. Then, another trained model (the 'decoder') produces images from the predicted embedding. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30933091 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30933091
- drcode 5y ago
  I also read somewhere that this system has special logic added to it that judges how humans would aesthetically judge the final image, so in a way the impressive aesthetic qualities of these images isn't totally coincidental.

micromacrofoot 5y ago

some of these are quite beautiful... I've seen AI-generated art before, but these are outrageously better, I couldn't really distinguish a lot of these from human-created art this is going to absolutely obliterate some markets for illustration and stock photography, unfortunately

sanman811 5y ago

This tweet provides important context: https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1512119623315075081?s=21&t=HjWLSG-PqBC4XEPNIx-fDg https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1512119623315075081... They weren’t just copying/pasting prompts there was human creativity involved as well

educaysean 5y ago
Ah, I wish this fact had been highlighted better. Not a criticism of the tweet author; it's just that twitter threads really aren't designed to convey context.
- curiousgal 5y ago
  I hate them with every part of my soul! It's so sad to see the internet has moved from people making blog posts to share interesting things to just spraying it on Twitter in batches for maximum interactions.
recuter 5y ago
Of course not. I'm no longer surprised just how eager people are to believe an "AI" will read their minds or has magical qualities and a mind of its own. Even on HN. Jiggle the imagination just a little bit, dangle some progress, and we're off to the races. This is "I'm feeling lucky" on google image search + style transfer + trial and error. If you think I am being dismissive try a few of these twitter bios as searches and see for yourselves. I guess it fits with the times we live in. Reward shallow plagarism. Outsource your mind. It isn't theft if you can automate it. Autotune for the deaf, Dall-E for the blind.
- campground 5y ago
  I tried what you suggested for a bunch of the twitter bios and found nothing except links back to this thread. I also reverse image searched a bunch of them to see if DALL-E was just kind of pasting together large chunks of images, but never found anything close. I do think you're being dismissive but please post any examples of what you mean. I'm a skeptic and have been waiting to find out that this is just a glorified parlor trick, but so far it seems like DALL-E is doing everything the authors claim, which is remarkable.

munk-a 5y ago

So where can we common plebs go to submit paragraphs for generation?

jazzyjackson 5y ago
apparently the twitter replies of the tech priesthood is where we are meant to request miracles of the AI

donkarma 5y ago

Incredibly misleading, he didn't directly paste bios into the description and they were massively curated.

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educaysean 5y ago
Yeah, learning this fact definitely dulled my initial astonishment. These are still really fantastic results, but it's hard to feel too excited without the knowledge of just how much curative efforts took place behind the curtain.
- platers 5y ago
  As a lower bound we now know a non artist can produce passable art in a few minutes. There is indeed a large practical difference between a few minutes and a few seconds, but I trust in the power of incremental progress.
dntrkv 5y ago
If one of these images came out of a set of 1000 I would still be impressed.
throwaway675309 5y ago
Of course they're CURATED, but there are several links where he shows the full set of images that were generated and I would say between 70 to 80% of them are pretty decent aesthetically speaking. Given that it's able to generate a dozen images in less than a minute, and all I have to do is pick out the ones that are aesthetically pleasing, I'd say that's a damn good win.
- 55555 5y ago
  He’s curated those links too, though.

nicklovescode 5y ago

Hey everyone, Nick here creator of the linked thread. I just wanted to link to another tweet I have with some details of how I made it. TLDR it’s not just the bio pasted directly into dall-e and the images are cherry-picked but dall-e is basically doing 95% of the work here. I have no ability to make art myself, and I found I could illustrate basically any bio I wanted in a couple minutes of playing around. My goal was to create illustrations for my friends not create a dall-e gallery but I’m glad it ended up being a good example of what dall-e can do https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1512119623315075081 https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1512119623315075081

drcongo 5y ago
I'm very conflicted here, because on the one hand these are absolutely fantastic and that's really exciting, but on the other hand, some of these are of a level that I could genuinely call "art" and now I'm questioning everything.

mupuff1234 5y ago

I can't help but be suspicious since there is not site to try it out, and I can't think of a good reason as to why there isn't one.

educaysean 5y ago
The tool seems to be not open to public "yet". Nothing nefarious. You can join the waitlist here: https://openai.com/dall-e-2/ https://openai.com/dall-e-2/
MintsJohn 5y ago
Needed computing power seems a good enough reason to limit it. But I agree it looks too good to be true, only real use will show how well it really works.
- jazzyjackson 5y ago
  I haven't seen anything about how many GPUs or RAM this thing takes to run - I've been impressed with the volume of material thats been published so far but what's the chance this scales in a way that's profitable? In any case it seems AI is fulfilling its promise of centralizing the economy, since there will be single digit number of renderfarms generating the creative content of the internet, everyone's money flowing upward to Saint Elon

educaysean 5y ago

Wow, okay. I'm kind of blown away at how authentic these paintings look. Even with a very conservative prediction of how these tools could evolve and improve over the years, the signal is strong that our relationship with the meaning of "art" itself will have a fundamental shift.

KaoruAoiShiho 5y ago

Dall-E will be really good for my creators on https://dulst.com https://dulst.com (card game platform)

zuzun 5y ago

Oof. Editorial illustrators are about to get automated.

tantalor 5y ago
No, you still need humans involved (with artistic ability) to work the machine and sort through the chaff.
- ALittleLight 5y ago
  Maybe, maybe not. A different model could predict whether candidate images are or aren't a good fit and beyond that you could generate multiple options and A/B test them generating new permutations on the fly based on engagement metrics.
- rsanek 5y ago
  The colloquial usage of "automated" isn't literally "no humans are involved at all" but rather more along the lines of, the effort involved or expertise required is orders of magnitude lower than it was previously. I think for this case, it holds.
- Permit 5y ago
  > with artistic ability With artistic taste, not ability. For example the author likely couldn’t have created any of these images himself.
  - jdminhbg 5y ago
    And even if the author could have created them himself, he couldn't have done it in the span of a few minutes each like he did for the thread.
- schroeding 5y ago
  But how many humans will still be necessary, in comparison to the status quo? How much will this affect the "market value" of normal / non-famous illustrators? But on the plus side, even small publications will get really pretty, custom illustrations! :)

refulgentis 5y ago

It was striking to: - read the OpenAI paper - notice there was a lot of words in the harm section - notice the mitigations boiled down to "limit access" (a marketing strategy) & "put rando colors in a very easy place to crop out", have them note how easy it was to crop, yet they still went with that strategy - notice no one in actual AI art community has received an invite, but random SV hoi polloi and OpenAI employees have I had been worried about the moneyed class taking all the work we had done in the open source community informing their approach (check citations on the Dalle paper), privatize it via applying it to a large dataset they built, and not share _any_ of their data or models because "harm reduction" that amounted to marketing x not risking their ability to monetize. It was shocking to see DallE 2 get announced and take that exact approach. We'll keep working, LAIONs 5B dataset starts approaching the #s cited in Meta's and OpenAI's papers.

cscurmudgeon 5y ago
> - notice no one in actual AI art community has received an invite, but random SV hoi polloi and OpenAI employees have Same with GPT-3. Requested an invite. Never received one. I have written survey articles comparing different methods. So thta was probably a red flag for them.
jazzyjackson 5y ago
Thank you for putting this into words, "SV hoi polloi" ! perfect I'm pretty tweaked at how copyright is used here: Google gets to scan every book in the world, build derivative models off it, but when we want to see the source data we get "page ommitted from this limited preview" OpenAI CLIP scrapes all of google images, but isn't allowed to show us the source material in its training set, since that would constitute copyright infringement Why do the robots have the rights to the world's information while humans are left to the derivative output as the internet is flooded with auto-encoded content? I'm going to start my own internet, no bots allowed. In the future, privacy is tantamount, if you let a bot see your work you're bound to be plagiarized in a thousand variations.

tailspin2019 5y ago

These are so good, it's breaking my brain a little. They're not just conceptually accurate, but to my eyes they're pleasing to look at from a purely artistic point of view. I'd put these on my wall. I already take a fairly bullish position on the potential of AI, given a long enough timeframe, but it does feel like we're reaching a bit of a tipping point here. It's starting to prod at the paradigms I hold in my head about what I think "art" is. In a turing-syle blind test of these DALL-E artworks, I think most people would be unable to tell the AI generated art from that of human artists. And I imagine that it follows that the same will be the case for music in the near future too, and likely most other artistic endeavours eventually. I like to write music. I respect the output of other musicians (my fellow "artists") and I am driven, by both intrinsic and extrinsic rewards to keep trying to get better at my "art". But when an AI can produce works that match or exceed my art (based on whatever the measures are that we already judge art by) - it prompts some interesting questions. Does it lower the subjective value of human-produced art by virtue of reducing scarcity, and increasing accessibility? Of course, DALL-E is trained on the output of human artists. But art is already recursive in that respect - human artists themselves are trained on the output of other artists. So that's not so different... I guess it's the same paradigm as mass production vs hand crafting. When we pick the cheaper, mass produced item, we lose out on some of the humanity and soul that's baked into hand-crafted goods. But history has shown that we'll gladly take the cheaper, more accessible, more predictable option in most cases. The commoditisation of art. When things are commoditised, I tend to think that the opportunity for the creation of value (by humans) tends to move up an abstraction level. As technology becomes commoditised at a certain level, then the orchestration and management of that technology becomes the new speciality where humans are useful and can create value. When that orchestration layer is commoditised, it's the next level up that we can turn their attention to. So the new art maybe becomes meta-art. Perhaps human artistic endeavours become more about curation rather than creation? Or will AI art never reach a sufficient level to be considered equal to, or better than human-produced art? We can hide behind the subjectivity of all this, but something like a blind identification test (AI vs Human) removes some of that subjectivity fairly easily...

disqard 5y ago
I thought you might like to know about "Experiments in Musical Intelligence" (aka "Emmy"), David Cope's creation, now "deceased": https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jul/11/david-cope-computer-composer https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jul/11/david-cop... "One day Cope pushed a button on Emmy, went out to get a sandwich and when he returned his workaholic creation had produced 5,000 original Bach chorales."

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago

Cruelty Squad vibes

fay59 5y ago

Someone should make an online version of Mysterium that uses Dall-E to make the picture cards!

zaking17 5y ago

These are evocative images. I love a bunch of them! Knowing that this model was trained on a huge corpus of existing images makes them feel a bit like the output of a visual search engine -- finding relevant pieces and stitching them together. But it's more than that, because the stitching happens at different levels. They are often thematically and aesthetically cohesive in a way that feels intelligent. Maybe we're just search engines of a similar kind. An additional aspect of human art is that it (usually) takes time to make. The artist might spend many hours creating and reflecting and creating some more. The artist's engagement with the work makes its way into the final product, and that makes human art richer. Could future Dall-E version create sketches and iterations of a work; is there a limit to this mimicry? I'm feeling future shock; heavy future shock.

rndphs 5y ago
Human artists also do a whole lot of mimicry. One could look at art produced by many artists and say that it is just things stitched together from pre-existing art. “Good artists copy, great artists steal.”
- zarzavat 5y ago
  For example the “enterprise vector people” graphics you see on every corporate website. Most human art is extremely repetitive. AI art seems to be coming from the opposite direction to human artists - from a starting position of maximum creativity and weirdness (e.g. early AI art such as Deep Dream looked like an acid trip) and advancements in the field come from toning it down to be less weird but more recognizable as the human concept of “art”. And DALL-E is impressive exactly because it has traded some of that creativity/weirdness away. But it’s still pretty damn weird.

kingcharles 5y ago

Remember, these are all public domain, at least in the USA which does not allow copyright assignments to the artistic output of machines.

robbedpeter 5y ago
No, they're copyrighted by OpenAI. Copyright has to be assigned to a human or company owned by humans. The recent kerfuffle over copyright was a dumbass trying to legitimize copyright assignment to the software itself. Copyright with dall-e is just like copyright with photoshop or any other software. The user of the tool owns the output. Subject to whatever other limitations and requirements OpenAI wants.
- jazzyjackson 5y ago
  (c) Copyright. OpenAI will not assert copyright over Content generated by the API for you or your end users. https://openai.com/api/policies/terms/ https://openai.com/api/policies/terms/ Notice this doesn't imply they possess any copyright in the first place - just that they won't make an issue of it. Copyright in USA is automatic for the author, I think whether the user of software is the author of an AI's work is yet to be established in the courts, but its pretty clear the creator of the software doesn't own its output. The dumbass you refer to was testing patent law by trying to register his software as the inventor but the copyright case is different: > the office’s 2019 ruling [...] found his A.I.-created image “lacks the human authorship necessary to support a copyright claim.” > Thaler noted to the [US Copyright Office] he was “seeking to register this computer-generated work as a work-for-hire to the owner of the Creativity Machine.” https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-office-rules-ai-art-cant-be-copyrighted-180979808/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-offic...
gwern 5y ago
The USA requires _de minimis_ human contribution; the prompts here definitely qualify as human choice, he's not simply sampling random images, but exercising quite a bit of choice and creativity as he learns to prompt-engineer for DALL-E 2 and also selects, and so there is a copyright to be had.

Mizza 5y ago

This is going to put a lot of artists out of work in a very short time. Not happy about that.

CamelRocketFish 5y ago
I imagine you were also unhappy when switchboard operators were replaced by computers as well.
xwdv 5y ago
They will move on to more stable careers.

EGreg 5y ago

When will an API be available for the rest of us?

imwillofficial 5y ago

Is there a way normal humans like me can do stuff like this. Like is there a Dall-E 2 app I can download?

TOMDM 5y ago

Creative industries are on the cusp of a massive upset. Relatively soon, there will be commercial models of this quality for music/code/text/speech/images/3d models etc. Once these AI generated assets flow like water into the hands of creators, it will significantly change the way people work. I'm sure some people in this thread have had a taste of this working with Copilot. For me, it's most useful as an un-sticking tool, to get me moving again, or providing half remembered syntax for a language I don't use as frequently. There's no reason to expect that similar use cases won't make their way into other industries. - Rapid prototypes of models/textures for video games. - Quick and easy samples for musicians. - Emotive speech for audio books and transcriptions. It won't replace everything, but so much of our media uses art as noise, to fill a gap, and with this, it can be done almost everywhere on the cheap.

dorkwood 5y ago
I think texture generation is ripe for disruption. Imagine a tool that could generate a set of tiling PBR textures based on a few input parameters. Or one where you define which areas of a UV map should be windows, doors, or walls, and it generates a set of texture variations. What used to take days or weeks could take seconds.
- TOMDM 5y ago
  Exactly. I can't imagine how much media would begin to use 3d assets if it became an order of magnitude cheaper to do so. Not to mention, imagine the pipeline of 1. "GPT-3, give me 10,000 descriptions of different doors" 2. "Dall-E 2, give me PBR textures for these 10,000 door descriptions" 3. Repeat 1 and 2 for every asset you need 4. "Dall-E 2, give me 10,000 floorplans for apartments, common areas, shopping centers etc." 5. "GPT-3, describe the contents of this apartment/common area/shopping center etc." 6. Use an algorithm to parse out the floorplans (ditch the ones that don't work, we can just generate more), populate it with assets specified in step 5 and generated in steps 1 and 2. We could proceduraly generate entire cities for games with unique assets everywhere. It would still probably look nicer with a human in the loop, but the possibilities are staggering.

smrtinsert 5y ago

Almost unbelievable. I'm randomly reminded of the chess automaton.

nonbirithm 5y ago

I'm imaging a future where the top replies to art posted online will become "keywords please" or "what model". Hosting sites may start to enact "AI treatises" into their terms of service that segregate human- and AI- generated content into separate areas and ask users to report entries that they suspect do not belong in either. Asking "what model did you use" becomes an insult to a sizeable portion of artistic creators, a genuine question for others, and a phrase whose implications cannot be avoided for all people involved. What belief systems will we form around AI art after it becomes clear that it's never going away? Many people say that art is subjective. I am thinking that if or when parity between art from humans and AI is achieved, some people are going to believe that a humanistic quality of some sort will be trampled upon in the realization that the two types of art really are indistinguishable. Others might believe that AI art is just another tool that they believe expresses their thoughts. The different beliefs might be fundamentally unresolvable, and this may become an unending source of distrust and sadness in certain art circles within the next decade. I do not look forward to how this tech will interact with online culture several years from now.

lofatdairy 5y ago

Context in mind, what jumps out to me is a remarkable compositional competence of the algorithm, even when given extremely vague prompts like "happy sisyphus". The images match the prompt remarkably well with a few notable exceptions like "cottagecore tech-adjacent young robert moses", where it seemed to have focused on "cottage" rather heavily, not understanding cottagecore as an aesthetic neologism, and "power bottom dad is for the people", which definitely got the "dad" part, but it looks like it still struggled to understand "power bottom" (perhaps the curation of training data may have contributed to this). Even if these were curated specifically to match the prompt, what the algorithm was able to do with profiles is amazing (especially bearing in mind that these profiles are meant to be evocative, intentionally idiosyncratic blendings of extremely complex, contextual terms that were written without visual representation in mind, even if they gesture at specific aesthetics) Side note: what might make artists a bit relieved is the fact that artifacting is still pretty apparent even in the curated examples. Fine details or even whole figures sometime devolve into that scrambled topography familiar to AI art. Even in more compositionally competent artworks, the "brush strokes" frequently have identifiable blurs at the margins. Text also seems to be gibberish even if aesthetically coherent. Even still, these are all such minor issues that additional photoshop would be both easy and readily doable. Overall, this is frankly stunning and I'm really excited to see what others come up with. I feel like it's language and composition ability definitely did not disappoint the hype of its press release.

jonas21 5y ago
> "power bottom dad is for the people", which definitely got the "dad" part, but it looks like it still struggled to understand "power bottom" To be fair, as a human, I struggle to understand what this means.
- moeris 5y ago
  At least in gay culture, power bottom has a pretty specific meaning. I imagine "for the people" is referencing socialist leanings. Admittedly, it could mean many things. But it pushes my mind towards fully automated gay space communism.

throwaway675309 5y ago

Integrate Samsung frame art mode with DALL-E with ability to set painting style (oil, pastel, etc) for a limitless gallery.

detritus 5y ago

Am I the only person here to think this is utter bullshit and some amazingly-developed prank? Otherwise, my stomach is in knots, because this is terrifying.

boppo1 5y ago
Check out my post history 2 before this one. We'll be fine.
- detritus 5y ago
  Sub-GAI algorithms don't need an competence in 'fine' art to derive vicious selection criteria for processing meatbags. It's not the compiled art processing here that terrifies me, it's the complexity of logic underpinning that is displayed and how it could be used elsewhere.
BlueTemplar 5y ago
Basically my feeling about GPT-3 (or was it 2?) when it "released", except with a low weight for the prank possibility.
- plutonorm 5y ago
  yes, finally the world is catching up with things.

tarxzvf 5y ago

This is impressive. Yet, before you go the AGI is nigh, ask yourself a simple question: will this spiral in or spiral out? If we feed everything the model comes up with back as training data, will we get Endless Forms Most Beautiful or will we get an equilibrium?

passion__desire 5y ago
Pair this up with the electric sheep paradigm. Evolving the images and prompts together. Voted by people on their screensavers.

wallfacer120 5y ago

Better than Beeple.

shon 5y ago

Oof. I’m selling my Fiverr stock right now.

avalys 5y ago

This makes Dall-E 2 both more and less impressive to me. More impressive, because of how good it is at capturing and synthesizing a wide variety of topics in a reasonably coherent way, and how it seems like it would actually be a viable mechanism for creating actual artwork, or at the very least, a source of inspiration for a human artist to touch-up on later. Less impressive, in that it's pretty obvious it's not any more advanced than a graphical version of GPT-2, which is parroting content and styles that it has basically memorized and is really good at interpolating between. Because there's no such thing as a "logical contradiction" in this sort of illustration, compared to a paragraph of text or a code listing, the fact that it's just interpolating between a huge database of memorized content isn't as easy to spot as with GPT-2, and matters less in the actual end result.

fastball 5y ago
> obvious it's not any more advanced than a graphical version of GPT-2 What makes this obvious?
mherrmann 5y ago
> parroting content and styles that it has basically memorized and is really good at interpolating between. Maybe that's what exactly what we humans do too?
- csee 5y ago
  Not just. Humans invented the styles that DALL-E is using in the first place. The emergence of these novel styles isn't just interpolation. DALL-E, while incredible, seems stuck within the scope of these styles.
  - kzrdude 5y ago
    for comparison, I imagine we put together a team of the best teachers and try to bring up 30 pupils with good education. When we evaluate the pupils in the end, we have this dry conversation - did we bring up any geniuses? Are they just interpolating between different styles that they have learned? I think that in the case of the 30 pupils we would say that they have creativity, ingenuity, showing signs of thinking for themselves. It would not be as ambiguous as it is with Dall-E2's art.

bayesian_horse 5y ago

Could someone point me how to make such images yourself? This may be a naive question as it may require non-public code and data... I've seen public colab notebooks with Dall-E but they don't work currently (package problems) and seem to produce a different style of results.

isoprophlex 5y ago

These are so fucking good-looking. Can't believe it.

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dude3 5y ago

There is a lot of emphasis on eyes. Same thing in Google’s deep dream. Eerie.

csee 5y ago

Stunning. My question is whether more compute and more data will be sufficient for the AI to create its own art styles. Everything we see here are within the stylistic paradigms created by previous humans.

isoprophlex 5y ago
Probably, interpolating betweem styles or extrapolating to unseen styles doesn't seem too far fetched. However an art style also needs context: human appreciation of aesthetic values, human recognition of a style wrt prior movements... without an "ecosystem of artists and viewers" it might not be so useful. Nevertheless... As a tool for artists to explore new avenues of expression this could be a fantastic tool, i think.

mherrmann 5y ago

Can't wait for this for music. To fix the costly cherry-picking process, Spotify should play AI-generated songs in between others. Those who get good engagement should then rise to the top.

grumbel 5y ago

Are there any examples of what this thing produces when run on recognizable brands or characters, i.e. Sonic, Mario, Coca Cola, Star Wars, etc. instead of generic words like "astronauts on horse"? The one I have seen so far[1] is the Twitter logo one, but it's hard to tell if the "Twitter" had much effect here or if it's just the "blue bird" that did it. [1] https://nitter.net/pic/media%2FFPwj5G-WUA8__UC.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig https://nitter.net/pic/media%2FFPwj5G-WUA8__UC.jpg%3Fname%3D...

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grumbel 5y ago
Golum: https://old.reddit.com/r/MediaSynthesis/comments/u1gkr8/dalle2_gollum_writes_his_autobiography/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MediaSynthesis/comments/u1gkr8/dall... Rick and Morty: https://old.reddit.com/r/MediaSynthesis/comments/u0ihh7/dalle_2_rick_and_morty_on_a_planet_made_of_giant/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MediaSynthesis/comments/u0ihh7/dall... Pikachu: https://old.reddit.com/r/MediaSynthesis/comments/u03kfv/dalle_2_a_stunning_photograph_of_a_pikachu/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MediaSynthesis/comments/u03kfv/dall...

mupuff1234 5y ago

Now to connect it with the Nvidia tech demo that turns 2d pictures to a 3d environment.

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haunter 5y ago

Tumblr and Twitter NSFW will not be the same after this. Like this is pure cocaine for porn addicts

dash2 5y ago

Obviously, from the AI point of view, this is just amazing and frankly terrifying. OK, I'll be the guy who brings the snark. It seems that when Silicon Valley tech people create AI, it makes exactly the art you'd expect Silicon Valley tech people to like. I.e. this is very much the style you see in NFTs, or, as someone else said, in Dixit. It's quirky and stoner-ish, very "transcendental"... for an AI, it's amazing... For a human, it would be dross. Yeah, yeah, I know, art is subjective, well I like it, how can you impose your tastes on the rest of the world, et cetera et cetera. Sorry, but it's dross! It's the kind of work the guy in the art shop up the road churns out, and sells to the ignorant locals in my town. It's the art equivalent of Visual Basic. (I'm trying to get through to you that in this world, too, things can not just be done, but be done well or badly.) If there's a lesson on the AI side here (and maybe there isn't) it is just that these machines are still copying. They were trained on a bunch of art - and you can clearly see the kind of art that was used. Presumably, if it were just trained on Old Masters and Picasso, Dall-E would be mass-producing the stuff I, an intellectual, like. Note the difference, though, with a real artist. A real artist takes as input the real world - Rouen cathedral, the horrors of war in Spain, a Campbell's soup can - and produces art as output. This takes as input art and produces more art.

animanoir 5y ago
I think the next step is for machines to have taste.
_han 5y ago
Was this an unsarcastic “I, an intellectual, […]”?
- lanternfish 5y ago
  I do believe it was - and it also betrays the critique: there is a wealth of discourse on what "real" art is - and that discourse has largely moved beyond "art as representative of real world phenomena". That attitude is a component of a larger set of reactionary positions which try to reject modern and post-modern developments in the artistic world as misguided - an orientation which often tries to justify itself through an appeal to the "old masters" and a failure of some modern caste of charlatan art-theorists who've usurped the true intelligentsia. NFT art is art - probably more-so on an accidental level than by any intention of the original creator. There is a perversity to the context in which it is created, and that contributes to its artistic footprint orthogonal to its actual aesthetic value. The same is true of this AI generated art. It's a different artistic fingerprint than - say - Dali, but that doesn't mark it as "bad". If anything, the fact that it's created by a machine puts it in a league entirely of its own. There's a great opportunity here for interrogation of art in a machine created context, and I'm excited to see how the dialog around it evolves.

riidom 5y ago

Article about same/similar topic: https://arnicas.substack.com/p/titaa-28-visual-poetry-humans-and?s=r https://arnicas.substack.com/p/titaa-28-visual-poetry-humans...

lgvld 5y ago

i am surprised the only drawing of woman it generates is when the bio explicitly contains the word "female". bias in AI I guess.

ThePhysicist 5y ago

Would it be possible to have an algorithm that produces the images from the training set whose parts are most similar to the produced output? This looks super impressive but I still wonder how much the network just recycles parts of images it has seen before.

totony 5y ago
Yes, as far as i understand this is pretty simple given how dall e is made. Simple vector similarity search would work on the image embeddings (i think)
BrianOnHN 5y ago
This question peers into the "explainable AI" issue of "black box" solutions like this. Based on my understanding, the only way to do this would be to write a separate classifier algorithm using the same dataset.

realPubkey 5y ago

As always, these results are cherry picked by OpenAI. Same as GPT-2/3, the "average" output of the model is barely useable.

ItsMattyG 5y ago
Not so. He shows an example of the 10 he chose from, basically all were good.

marcodiego 5y ago

These drawings... they have personality.

dredmorbius 5y ago

https://nitter.net/nickcammarata/status/1511861061988892675 https://nitter.net/nickcammarata/status/1511861061988892675

gompertz 5y ago

It's almost like these were trained using Byte magazine covers! Amazing tech.. I'm blown away.

guilhas 5y ago

So many questions This makes you think what is real art? Beauty, meaning, context Can this achieve real art? Or just composing existing art? If we don't preserve the art industry, and global industry flocks to the lowest common denominator, what will that mean for the future of art If an artist invents something new and someone unrelated uses it to train a model and generate 100s of compositions who should profit from it? What was the "license" on the images used to train the model

lichteins 5y ago

マヤノトップガン

DoRa__723 4y ago

もりやしゅんと

mykel83 5y ago

I am a fresher here I’d love to learn

uguisain 5y ago

An archaeologist once said, "The most merciful thing in the world is the human heart that cannot associate everything together" Everything that happens in this world has a coherent causal relationship. Whether it is technological development, territorial domination, or even unavoidable natural disasters or unexpected accidents, no one should stay out of it. If people are willing to face it, perhaps many things will not evolve to the worst level, but in this case, people usually choose to turn a blind eye in order to protect themselves, or some people are very willing to sacrifice other things for selfishness, they It is taken for granted that only the victims will bear the consequences in the end, but it is not the case, the laws of the world will one day pay back all cause and effect. However, this is only limited to the things that the "law" can take effect. When "exceptions" fill the whole world, then the fate of this world will be nothing but despair.

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