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Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees
- retrojorgen 5y agoHi! We just launched a job board for Ukrainian tech workers that might be looking for jobs in Norway. The Norwegian government recently passed laws giving special rights to Ukrainian refugees. kode24.no is Norways only news site for developers, and we already run a job board. We surveyed everyone on the board if they will accept applications from Ukrainian workers. So far there are 9 jobs available, hopefully more will come!
- retrojorgen 5y agoOh and so far the job listings are done via google translate. Hopefully we will get translated versions soon, but I think translate works for now.
- tuukkah 5y agoWould it be legal to not accept job applications from Ukrainian refugees? That is, if they have the right to work in Norway, how's the discrimination acceptable?
- krageon 5y agoYou might have linguistic requirements, which while discriminatory are also completely understandable.
- tuukkah 5y agoSure, you can have linguistic requirements ("You must speak Norwegian like a native") or affordances ("We're setting up a team of Ukrainian speakers"), but perhaps it would be fairer to market these jobs as "suitable for Ukrainian speakers" rather than "you must / must not be a Ukrainian refugee".
- krageon 5y agoI think it is okay to treat refugees with an acute need different from folks who have already settled down and emigrated under different circumstances.
- tuukkah 5y agoYes, this is a case of positive discrimination that I can fully support. I made my original comment because the situation was described in the opposite: "[whether] they will accept applications from Ukrainian workers". Also, I thought it makes sense to ask these questions and potentially learn from how they did it in Norway and for instance, whether the workplace discrimination laws there are different from what I'm familiar with.
- olavgg 5y agoSalary for developers, even foreign ones in Norway is also pretty good! And at the moment there is a huge demand for software developers here.
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- Aeolun 5y ago
- lordnacho 5y agoShould be easy to add a form with drop-downs. Was that what you were thinking?
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago'they share the same culture and values?' How does one determine thus? For example, do Trump supporters and BLM activists share the same values? Are they closer to each-other that a random kid from syria? I am glad that Ukrainian refugees are being treated with conpassion, but I don't think we are treating others fairly. At the very least we should have internstional law where countries that drop the most bombs must take the most refugees
- tw20212021 5y agoI have a lot of colleagues from the middle east at work. I don't know what this person meant by same culture & values, as long as you're allowed to work and are qualified for the position then companies will hire you, regardless of your country of origin, religion, etc.
- Aeolun 5y ago> I am glad that Ukrainian refugees are being treated with conpassion, but I don't think we are treating others fairly. Maybe not, but just because we’re not equally nice to everyone doesn’t mean it’s not still nice. And there is no need to immediately jump on this news to push your agenda. Especially when the answer is obvious (surprisingly enough as much as Europe doesn’t want refugees, they’ve taken in quite a few). That said, given the past few days, I imagine you’ll see Europe doing more for Ukrainian refugees than you’d ever seen them do for Syrian refugees. In more than one way, attacking Ukraine feels like an attack on Europe in a way that an attack on Syria does not.
- alecco 5y agoI would like to see safe haven for Russians who oppose Putin. Currently there is growing Euro hate to all Russians. There was a news segment about a Russian expat who's been campaigning abroad against the regime for over 10 years and now she gets insulted by random people. This was somewhere in Spain but could as well be any other country. They are desperately fleeing the regime to avoid being arrested. Others lost their jobs overnight. Their banks accounts frozen in a crashing currency. Can't sell their homes. Can't take their elderly parents with them (healthcare). Their credit cards don't work abroad (many stuck mid-way without a way to pay for a hotel or the flight to the actual destination like family somewhere). It scares me how people lose their minds to xenophobia, war, and hate. The same people who would've hoped for peace just a few months ago. The same people who ranted for years against the wars in Irak and Afghanistan. There is no nuance. Just blind hate. And media fueling the fire. EDIT: I AM NOT RUSSIAN so stop second guessing me. I just happen to know Russians in this situation. I think OP's site helping Ukranians is a fantastic idea. I just wanted to raise awareness on other people. That's it.
- older 5y agoHow do you know which ones of those Russians oppose Putin? Just by asking and trusting that they are being honest? Those opposing Putin are a small minority, most of them are supporting the war even those in academia. Check these ratings: https://www.levada.ru/en/ratings/ https://www.levada.ru/en/ratings/ Also, they are not risking much by being in opposition. That girl who protested couple of days ago during live broadcast on Russian TV got fined $200. They are risking to lose their lifestyle at most. While Ukrainians are risking to lose their lives.
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- ratg13 5y agoRefugees don't typically get work visas, being a refugee is meant to be a temporary situation. Most likely these workers are working as remote contractors as people still 'based' in Ukraine. (ukraine bank accounts, etc.) It is much easier to wire money to a ukranian bank account than one in Syria, due to sanctions and other reasons.
- Xylakant 5y agoThe EU has a special status for people fleeing Ukraine right now (afaik including permanent residents, not only nationals) They get a temporary, time-limited right to stay (1 year, possibly extended to 3 years) and this includes the right to work and access to social services and healthcare. See https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/policies/migration-and-asylum/common-european-asylum-system/temporary-protection_en https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/policies/migration-and-asy...
- scotty79 5y agoJob market in Poland is open to refugee workers and education system is opened to their children. They'll be even getting PESEL which is national identification number in Poland that citizens get.
- vintermann 5y agoAsylees in Norway certainly can get work visas, even before they get an answer to their asylum application. Bank accounts and temporary SSNs are also possible (and probably necessary) to get even before they decide if you get protection.
- naoqj 5y ago
- amelius 5y agoIt could help if it was more generally known that Steve Jobs was half-Syrian.
- Etheryte 5y agoThis is a great idea and a good way to help people hit the ground running. One small nit pick, when I have adblock on, the page shows "0 available tech jobs", and your target audience are people who are more likely than average to use adblock.
- retrojorgen 5y agoFair point! Trying to fix :) In case anyone wants to turn of ad block for the page. we do not run any banner ads on this page or the job board though. so for anyone willing to turn it of, you shouldn't se any wild banner ads.
- danielskogly 5y agoI find kode24 practically unreadable without uBlock origin. Loading the frontpage, there are 45 items being hidden, and this is just by the cosmetic filters. In addition there are the third party analytics/ad scripts. Btw, as far as I can tell, you're neither GDPR compliant, nor compliant with ekomloven[0], as you're not mentioning "Cookies" or "Informasjonskapsler" anywhere readily available. All that being said - great initiative :) [0]: https://www.nkom.no/internett/informasjonskapsler-cookies#hvordan_oppfylle_krav_til_informasjon https://www.nkom.no/internett/informasjonskapsler-cookies#hv...
- goldfeld 5y agoI'm sorry to go off on a tangent, but the modern americanisms and other figuratives of english perpetually amuse me. First because people get so used to internet-powered mannerisms that even professional writers feel compelled to use contorted turns of phrase even when it would be easier to just employ an old (tired?) verb, adverb or something. The poor verbs suffer from ageism too and are going jobless! Honestly I feel a cheapening of english language but possibly just me. In this case I should think "war refugee" with "hit the ground running" is a bit of unfortunate phrasing, nothing personal :)
- Etheryte 5y agoThat's a fair point, I think as a non-native speaker I don't always notice these separate-yet-linked connotations, and pointing them out definitely helps in that regard. What would be a better way to get the same idea across?
- Etheryte 5y agoThere's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks for a hundred bucks because they've fallen on hard times. Now compare this to a stranger on the street asking you for a hundred because they say they've fallen on hard times. People go up and above for Ukraine because they're that neighbour. Many have friends, family and/or relatives there. Many have travelled there. This is not about race, or religion, or any kind of hate. We're helping our neighbour.
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- ChuckNorris89 5y ago>They are ‘civilised’ and ‘look like us’ Yes, and? How is giving compliments being racist to anyone? Is saying 'my girlfriend is smart and beautiful' hurtful to every other women? Is my boss saying 'Brian is smart and hard working' insulting to everyone else? I wish this cringe wokeness and trying to spin everything into racism would stop. I expected far more from a prestigious paper like The Guardian, instead of tabloid trash like this, but I guess they had a woke quota to fulfill, otherwise some activists on Twitter would call them racist if they hadn't called Europe racist first.
- elloworld1221 5y agoIf you read the full quotes from the article, these comments aren't compliments, they are comments to contextualize/justify treatment of other refugees. Literally every quote is saying "Ukranians are x, unlike other refugees who are y". That is clearly racism and not "cringe wokeness".
- hans1729 5y agoIts an opinion piece.
- nivenkos 5y ago
- keewee7 5y agoA lot of comments here about racism against Muslim refugees and the lack of racism against Ukrainian refugees. We are only three weeks into this war and refugee crisis. The far-right here in Western Europe have not yet had time to come up with reasons to hate Ukrainian refugees. The far-right is actually busy defending Putin's invasion and spreading pro-Russian and anti-Ukrainian propaganda. It is only a question of time before this anti-Ukrainian propaganda targets Ukrainian refugees. Another thing is that there were plenty of similar job boards for Syrian refugees in Denmark and Germany. Syrian refugees with dev skills were welcomed with open arms by our IT industry.
- cute_boi 5y agoCan you justify your last statement as it looks spurious to me?
- rich_sasha 5y agoThat's not entirely true. Polish Far Right has been fired up against the Ukrainians for some time (I mean, it's always just a matter of time and foreignness), just aren't getting any traction. The key sticking point, and at peacetime possibly quite serious, is the Volhynia massacre [1]. I won't go into details, and context is very important as it wasn't unprovoked, but it was a terrible massacre of Poles by Ukrainians in 1940s, and its key perpetrators are revered as national heroes in Ukraine. And yet, any attempts to bring this up in recent debate are immediately shot down by the wider public. It's just not catching on. It's not even a new subject, I think most people in Poland who watch the news know at least the headline facts about it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...
- krageon 5y ago> context is very important as it wasn't unprovoked No matter how provoked ethnic cleansing is never a good response.
- rich_sasha 5y ago
- throwaway290 5y agoIs there a similar board open to Russian refugees? Asking seriously, for myself and some friends. I wouldn't mind if priority is given to war refugees from Ukraine, of course. Edit: refugee (n.) - a person who has been forced to leave their country to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.
- older 5y agoThe word refugee has legal meaning. You cannot be called refugee unless your country is deemed unsafe and you risk your life being in that country. Thus Russians are not refugees but economic migrants.
- throwaway290 5y agoAvoiding being jailed for up to 15 years is economic migration?
- older 5y agoJailed for 15 years, really? It is more like being fined $200: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/15/marina-ovsyannikova-russian-journalist-fined-for-live-broadcast-protest https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/15/marina-ovsyann...
- yreg 5y ago$200 for the social media post, she is yet to stand trial for the tv act. Listen to this and then rethink whether the russian activists feel safe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN1EkA14y6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN1EkA14y6Q
- older 5y agoMillions of Ukrainians weren't feeling safe since at least 2014. But it doesn't give grounds for asking for asylum. So to be "afraid to participate in protests because of fear of persecution" is not enough to claim refugee status.
- nicbou 5y agoThere are many similar resources in Germany. In my opinion, a lot of people are patting themselves on the back for doing the same thing as before at no additional cost to them. Hiring Ukrainian refugees in Germany is no harder than hiring any other immigrant. In fact it's slightly easier. But recruiters and job boards still take their commission, whether or not they drape their website in blue and yellow.
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