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> In particular, it was about giving the government of Canada the permanent power to freeze, without trial or legal recourse, all the bank accounts and other as

• stronglikedan 5y ago
  • barbazoo 5y ago
    See [0], it seems far fetched to assume that from this video. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30432497 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30432497
• _3u10 5y ago
  • BoGs83 5y ago
    • swamp40 5y ago
      https://twitter.com/ScottGo70179464/status/1496130126169391115 https://twitter.com/ScottGo70179464/status/14961301261693911... https://twitter.com/markstrahl/status/1495472037438967808 https://twitter.com/markstrahl/status/1495472037438967808 https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1496104624490790918 https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1496104624490790918 https://twitter.com/MarilynGladuSL/status/1495583315369287684 https://twitter.com/MarilynGladuSL/status/149558331536928768... etc. Which Twitter post is correct? You decide.
      • barbazoo 5y ago
        3 of those 4 reference the same post by MP Mark Strahl. What do they all have in common? No sources or proof of any kind.
        • fudged71 5y ago
          "In an e-mail about Mr. Strahl’s tweet, mistakenly forwarded to The Globe, an Ottawa police officer said they had sifted through the donor list and found two “Briannes,” neither of whom lived in B.C. “The information posted is false,” the e-mail said." https://twitter.com/MariekeWalsh/status/1496102089562468353 https://twitter.com/MariekeWalsh/status/1496102089562468353
          • barbazoo 5y ago
            Thank you very much!
    • _3u10 5y ago
      That’s a tweet not an official govt doc. Which entities are targeted has not been released nor a list of the amounts donated. The text of the invocation allows for freezing of anything more than $25 which is a fact, not a tweet. If you want to believe an org that bombs people and blames it on farmers go right ahead. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involving_the_Royal_Canadian_Mounted_Police https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involv...
  • barbazoo 5y ago
    Oh yes, poor Briane [0] from Chilliwack, single mother, minimum wage job, made $50 donation to the convoy. Of course that's the person the PM is targeting here. No source, no proof, nothing. This (unfortunately) is my MP and it's sad to say that he's contributing to the echo chamber of made up stories for the sole purpose of making people angry and voting for him. [0] https://twitter.com/markstrahl/status/1495472037438967808 https://twitter.com/markstrahl/status/1495472037438967808
    • sleepingadmin 5y ago
      Here's a constitutional lawyer confirming this story: https://twitter.com/ikwilson/status/1495841230315560962 https://twitter.com/ikwilson/status/1495841230315560962 Sorry but you are the one in the echo chamber.
      • javagram 5y ago
        I clicked on the link but it doesn’t seem to claim that he is representing anyone whose account was frozen for a donation. He states some of his clients are truck drivers/owners involved in the protest. Moreover, a reply to his tweet is a statement from the police that says they provided a list of truck drivers and “influencers”, not donors, to the bank. https://twitter.com/rcmpgrcpolice/status/1495813180983021575?s=20&t=1GSP5ZKXAIKDAqoWx4lZOQ https://twitter.com/rcmpgrcpolice/status/1495813180983021575...
      • barbazoo 5y ago
        Could you point me to where it says who these people are or at least where they confirm that "Briane from Chilliwack" is one of them?
      • BeefWellington 5y ago
        This is incorrect. The lawyer is not confirming the story that people are having accounts frozen for donating. You'll note in that tweet they make zero reference to those donating. Here is the information directly from the RCMP, who say directly that they did not at any time provide a list of donors to banks: https://blockade.rcmp.ca/news-nouvelles/ncr-rcn211130-s-d-en.html https://blockade.rcmp.ca/news-nouvelles/ncr-rcn211130-s-d-en...
• cldellow 5y ago
  Your read is correct. While I generally agree with the alarm raised by this article, I find it does itself a disservice by exaggerating and citing to Americans with, charitably, a passing understanding of Canadian law and government. If people would like a dispassionate/neutral reading of the legal obligations imposed by the invocation of the Emergencies Act, I can recommend: - a summary by Osler, a prestigious Canadian law firm [1] - the order itself [2] - the regulations themselves [3] They are bad enough on their own without embellishment. For additional context, I have never voted for the Liberal party. Federally, I have donated to and voted for Conservative and Green candidates my entire life. My current MP (a Green MP), voted against the Emergencies Act. I approved of that vote. But it is just absolutely bizarre to me to see people comparing Trudeau to Hitler, Stalin and Mao, as is done in the punk6529 Twitter thread that is embedded in this article. There is plenty to criticize without undermining yourself by using these stupidly emotive comparisons. [1]: https://www.osler.com/en/blogs/risk/february-2022/new-emergency-measures-implications-for-financial-services-providers https://www.osler.com/en/blogs/risk/february-2022/new-emerge... [2]: https://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2022/2022-02-15-x1/html/sor-dors22-eng.html https://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2022/2022-02-15-x1/html/s... [3]: https://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2022/2022-02-15-x1/html/sor-dors21-eng.html https://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2022/2022-02-15-x1/html/s...
  • nostrebored 5y ago
    • sequoia 5y ago
      The USA has a per capita death rate 300% that of Canada's. We have worked together here to keep one another safe, often at great personal sacrifice, and it has worked quite well all things considered. This is an expression of mutual solidarity and civic spirit, not evidence of stalinism. I think this emergency act stuff is very bad, but Canada's response to Covid has been head and shoulders better than the USA and the death counts show it. I'm happy, as an American, to live up here where human life is valued.
    • dang 5y ago
• jorgesborges 5y ago
  It’s been explicitly stated that some of the financial measures will be made permanent. See Chrystia Freeland [0]. [0] https://mobile.twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1494852056145969155 https://mobile.twitter.com/ezralevant/status/149485205614596...
  • cldellow 5y ago
    The thing she is referring to making permanent is making FINTRAC cover crowdsourcing and payment provider platforms. That seems like standard government regulation stuff. At the end of the video that you linked, she explicitly says that some of the emergency powers (suspending insurance for commercial vehicles involved in blockades) should not be available to governments in ordinary times.
    • sequoia 5y ago
      The FINTRAC inclusion of crowdsourcing is clearly a response to foreigners outside of Canada sending millions of dollars to fund an occupation of Canada's capital city. This is a delicate issue: on the one hand political contributions are a form of speech, on the other hand I don't think a country needs to tolerate foreign political extremists from rich countries dumping money into domestic anti-government movements bent on forcing the gov't to resign etc.
      • j4kp07 5y ago
  • barbazoo 5y ago
    In my opinion it's quite a leap to go from what Chrystia Freeland said in that video to "permanent power to freeze, without trial or legal recourse, all the bank accounts and other assets of anyone it decides was ‘directly or indirectly involved’ in an ‘illegal protest.'". Of the 3 measures she mentioned it isn't even clear which ones are supposed to be brought up to be made permanent and "Sharing of information between law enforcing and financial services" doesn't even sound like it's about the "freezing" of accounts. Did I miss anything here?
• sleepingadmin 5y ago
  >Is this actually true? According to [0] "The Declaration expires after 30 days unless an extension is confirmed within specific timelines by both the House of Commons and the Senate.". I don't see how this would grant the government permanent powers unless the Emergencies Act gets renewed in perpetuity. This is true. They have frozen the bank accounts of hundreds and you cannot do anything about it. You never got due process, there is no redress from the courts because you dont have a bank account to hire a lawyer.
  • frabbit 5y ago
    What happens to people's mortgage payments? Alimony? Child support? Food for the week?
• kelnos 5y ago
  Does that really matter though? The people whose bank accounts have been frozen won't automatically get their accounts back after 30 days, will they? (And even if they do, 30 days is still a really long time not to have access to money, aside from whatever cash you happened to have on you at the time.)
  • _3u10 5y ago
    It appears that accounts could have been frozen for as little as $20 according to the Finance Ministry, banks have apparently started unfreezing those accounts. Apparently the $20 freezes only happened rarely. “Although not impossible that someone who gave $20 be captured and have their bank account frozen, I find that scenario…you know I think it would be in rare circumstances.” https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/banks-begin-unfreezing-accounts-of-freedom-convoy-supporters-finance-official-1.5791589 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/banks-begin-unfreezing-accou...
• superkuh 5y ago
  Like how the USA's PATRIOT Act was supposed to sunset after 3 years but has been extended every 3 years forever? Canada isn't the USA but it's not that different.
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• dblohm7 5y ago
  And that would never be allowed by Canadian courts. Perpetual renewal would not satisfy the Oakes Test [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_1_of_the_Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms#Oakes_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_1_of_the_Canadian_Char...
• TacticalCoder 5y ago
  > I don't see how this would grant the government permanent powers unless the Emergencies Act gets renewed in perpetuity. Label any protest you don't like an "illegal protest". Then as long as there's less than one such protest every 30 days, it's not "permanent"... Yet it is.
  • _3u10 5y ago
    Virtually all protests are "illegal". The problem is that the truckers figured out a way to make an illegal protest where the fines / jailtime is minimal compared to the effectiveness of the protest methodology. Honking a horn carries very little penalty but is massively annoying if done in front of the PM's house. Parking your truck infront of a border crossing is similarly not very penalized, yet killing 25% of the trade between two countries is very damaging to the gov't. The real reason we never saw these measures before is because of how brutally effective they are while being entirely non-violent.
    • frabbit 5y ago
      This is very well put. The only acceptable protests seem to be those which are toothless. Somehow these people found an asymmetric cost situation and now the laws will be updated to take account of this edge case.
    • mike00632 5y ago
      Not to mention that the protests were against vaccine measures to fight COVID while millions of people are dying from it. Context is important here.
      • baobabKoodaa 5y ago
        People's right to protest should not depend on whether you (or governing politicians) find their cause sympathetic.
        • mike00632 5y ago