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Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

• mastazi 5y ago
  As a fully vaccinated person who thinks that people who disagree with me should have rights, and who values freedom more than wealth, I'm proud that my name is on that list.
  • lern_too_spel 5y ago
    As a fully vaccinated person who understands that the point of every law in a democratic society is for the benefit of everybody (including myself) at the expense of my own liberty, I am proud that my name is not on that list. When you increase community immunity, you can reduce a pandemic to an endemic (a disease that causes only a few hospitalizations each year and doesn't threaten rationing care). This means businesses can open up, people can remove masks, and everything can go back to normal. People's livelihoods will no longer be at stake. My freedom to choose whether to vaccinate might be restricted, but I benefit overall. When you implement laws against burning fields and barbecuing on days with poor air circulation, you let everybody breathe easier without masks and without suffering breathing problems. My freedom to barbecue might be restricted, but I benefit overall.
    • mastazi 5y ago
      > the point of every law in a democratic society is for the benefit of everybody provably false. So are you saying that my parents and grandparents, who went on strike and participated in worker unions, were wrong, and that they should have accepted labour laws as they were back then, since those laws were conceived in a democratic society hence they were fair by definition? > When you increase community immunity we already have that, in many advanced economies, including Australia where I live, we are now at 80-90% vaccination rates, which is what the WHO identified as a goal; we will never reach 100% even if we were living in a techno-dictatorship, because some people can't be vaccinated for medical reasons. As a vaccinated person, you have to be aware that when you go to a public place not everyone around you is vaccinated, this can't be changed regardless of what happens to the truckers. > barbecuing on days with poor air circulation, preventing someone from having a barbie on a certain day vs. firing someone from their job - not exactly two comparable situations
      • lern_too_spel 5y ago
        > So are you saying that my parents and grandparents, who went on strike and participated in worker unions, were wrong, and that they should have accepted labour laws as they were back then, since those laws were conceived in a democratic society hence they were fair by definition? No, I'm saying that democracies choose the laws to benefit the people who live in them, as opposed to dictatorships. Sometimes, the people in the democracies aren't smart enough to choose laws that benefit them (like the US states that made laws against vaccine mandates and had predictable healthcare rationing as a result), but that doesn't change the purpose of the democracy or its laws. > we already have that, in many advanced economies And those advanced economies are free to open up. Denmark already has. Canada, whether by having too low a vaccination rate or too little healthcare, is not among them. Hence, the need for mandates to get there. > preventing someone from having a barbie on a certain day vs. firing someone from their job - not exactly two comparable situations You're comparing a law with a punishment for breaking a law, which is a nonsensical comparison, as you apparently agree, but why make it? The key comparison is whether both laws are beneficial, and they are.
        • mastazi 5y ago
          > The key comparison is whether both laws are beneficial, and they are Something something "Dei Delitti e Delle Pene"
        • mastazi 5y ago
          > You're comparing a law with a punishment I'm not, "loosing your job" is not a punishment, it's an effect of the mandate. The punishment would be being fined or going to jail for still driving a truck despite the mandate.
• fortran77 5y ago
  There was an excellent article about who these truckers are here: https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/what-the-truckers-want?r=6pvzg https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/what-the-truckers-want?r=6p... They're not exactly the group of people one might expect. I miss the days when progressives were on the side of the working man and woman, and long-haul truckers were considered folk heroes.
  • sudosysgen 5y ago
    The unions of long haul truckers came out against the protest. 99% of them are there, on the road, doing their job. 90% of them are vaccinated, just like the rest of us. The truckers that have their own truck to bring there and block infrastructure are the privileged few who manage to be owners-operators. They represent the working man and woman about as well as the average IT contractor - and they're almost certainly even wealthier on average.
• magwa101 5y ago
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• jsnodlin 5y ago
  I don’t even feel like a bad person saying I hope they all die of Covid.
  • dang 5y ago
    We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the HN guidelines. Please don't create accounts to do that with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  • twoxproblematic 5y ago
  • infamouscow 5y ago
    The overwhelming majority of the truckers are fully vaccinated. In fact, as a group, they are more vaccinated than the general population of Canada.
  • tanseydavid 5y ago
    The forces that promote Divide-and-Conquer tactics are absolutely dependent on otherwise normal people, suddenly feeling justified with wishing death upon their neighbors.
• tedivm 5y ago
  I went through the leaks last night and they're wrong about the IP addresses. All of the IP addresses listed are internal to the service itself- they recorded the IP addresses of their own nodes (or possibly cloudflare edge nodes), and they're all from one of a few ranges or localhost. The email addresses, names, country and zip codes all seem legit though.
  • tanseydavid 5y ago
    The IP addresses in the leak appear to show all of them (or at least most) as being Class B private addresses (172.16..)
    • quartesixte 5y ago
      Irrelevant to my actual opinion of the whole protest, I find this fact hilarious. And somewhat sad…true tech literacy will never be reached I guess.
      • mynameisvlad 5y ago
        I mean, I wouldn't expect the general public to have "true tech literacy" to the point of knowing the difference between IP classes. That seems above and beyond "literacy" to me. Hell, I wouldn't even expect the general public to know what an IP address is; their exposure to them is both so minimal and so shallow that it doesn't make sense to learn the intricacies of. For instance, I consider myself to be fairly techy. I run multiple VLANs on the class A space on my home network, so I have decent exposure to IP addresses. And I routinely struggle with CIDR notation to the point where I basically have to use a converter each time because I can't remember which bits correspond to which ranges. If I have this much trouble, I wouldn't expect the general public to even know what any of what I said is.
      • manquer 5y ago
        I don't think it is literacy really, just sloppy engineering process. Typically this happens when someone develops a service which is front facing without any proxy/ LB before it, goes to production and gets validated IP and other logs are great everyone moves on . Few months/years down to scale their service or improve security a LB or CF type proxy is put in front and no bothers to check the IP logs are still valid because no one actually uses IP for anything in their tooling( like filters/blocks or geomapping etc) so won't notice the break at all.
• olivermarks 5y ago
  • Bud 5y ago
    Notorious? And the best source for this is a 52-year-old article from a student newspaper in the US, with no listed author or sourcing? The linked article also reveals that the separatists in question were kidnapping multiple people at the time. This seems like ample reason to arrest a bunch of them.
    • olivermarks 5y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Trudeau#October_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Trudeau#October_Crisis Easy to find more details of this historical event elsewhere.
    • jeromegv 5y ago
      I mean if you are Canadian or Québécois, there is no denying that Trudeau father is famous for having invoqued martial law in Quebec. This is something everyone from Quebec knows and the merit of this measure has been debated and discussed for decades in various movies, books, news articles. I don't know why you are debating the source, this seems irrelevant.
      • Bud 5y ago
        I'm not Canadian and the reason I asked for a better source is not at all irrelevant. Those who are not Canadian might want a higher-quality source to learn about the topic in question. It is, obviously completely irrelevant whether "everyone in Quebec knows" this. Most users here, to put it rather mildly, are not from Quebec.
        • bawolff 5y ago
          You could just look it up on wikipedia. The october crisis is one of the most important events in modern canadian political history.
• advisedwang 5y ago
  I'd be very interest in the distribution of donations? E.g. are there big donors or is the money mostly from small donors.
  • monkeybutton 5y ago
    The median is $50 and the 95th percentile is $200 so it's mostly small donations with a few (22) donations over 5K. Plus the one 215K whale.
    • advisedwang 5y ago
      What's the total number of donors / amount of donation? Apologies for not doing the research myself, I'm at work.
      • monkeybutton 5y ago
        8.4M in donations plus another 0.57M going to GSG (not a bad racket eh?) over 92k rows. I'm using the word rows intentionally here because I can't make any claim about the number of actual individuals.
        • advisedwang 5y ago
          Thank you for all this great data! So the "big" donors (>=5k) are something like 4%. Truely does seem fairly grassroots-ish, assuming no shenanigans with the records people thing.
          • monkeybutton 5y ago
            If you believe the donation display names in the file, you'd think this was all an inside job by Mayor Jim Watson, police chief Peter Sloly, Hunter Biden, Kamala Harris, etc. etc. ;) The comments are.. special. Lots of Christian religious stuff which makes sense given the site's background. As someone who is very much not religious, this makes me just as uncomfortable.
• Bud 5y ago
  Reuters is behind a paywall (if you are over their article limit due to being a news addict); could we get a non-paywalled link for this please?
  • dang 5y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30334289 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30334289 was originally a reply to this but I detached it and pinned it to the top of the thread, which we sometimes do for archive links.
  • gpm 5y ago
    It's not actually being a paywall - it's behind a login wall - but they don't ask for money (or a credit card) and seem to actually mean unlimited access.
• dev_by_day 5y ago
  wayback machine FTW https://web.archive.org/web/20220214093323/https://www.reuters.com/world/us/leak-site-says-it-has-been-given-list-canada-truck-convoy-donors-after-reported-2022-02-14/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220214093323/https://www.reute...
• canadianeh2 5y ago
  i have a 4 year old daughter in ontario who has never seen her friends faces or her teacher's face. she eats outside even when it's -20. as of today, no end in sight for these rules. why? it's shameful. im surprised the civil unrest in canada isnt worse.
  • sequoia 5y ago
    NB for people outside Ontario: this is very likely a made-up untrue story. If parent commenter provides some details substantiating this unusual circumstance, I apologize in advance. What school district? This is nothing like what I've seen in the Toronto schools which tend to be more cautious due to population density here. I'm willing to believe this isn't a made up story, but am interested in details as this is very different from what I've heard or seen in Ontario. Also why can't your child see their friend's faces outside of school? This is all quite confusing.
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  • tagoregrtst 5y ago
    My buddy lives near Hamilton. The stuff his kids are going through is insane.
    • purephase 5y ago
      Yeah, I have 5 nieces and nephews and friends with kids that live and around Hamilton. Tell me what they're going through that's insane. Don't just drop comments like this without backing up your assertions, because it's false. Is it ideal for the kids right now? Fuck no. None of us want this. But to sell the narrative that there's a whole class of parents/teachers/administrators who are not trying their goddamned hardest to make this as easy on kids as possible, while stradling the line of what's responsible during a pandemic, is just belittling all of the effort being done for no discernable purpose at all.
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  • jeroenhd 5y ago
    It could be state sponsored hacking, but I think it's more likely to be don't by someone who got annoyed by the protests. If I had trucks honking in front of my window, I'd do whatever I could to get them to fuck off as well. No need for the state to get involved if you just piss off enough random people.
    • btbuildem 5y ago
      The language of the manifesto suggests someone.. irate
      • HappySweeney 5y ago
        20 hours of air horn outside your window will make you ... irate.
        • verisimi 5y ago
          ... but 2 years of government mandated economic destruction is fine? They didn't do all this in Sweden.
          • colinmhayes 5y ago
            Yes, the majority of the population supports vaccine mandates.
          • peter422 5y ago
            Sweden has vaccine rules too…
• ars 5y ago
  • jeromegv 5y ago
    You seem misinformed, Canada does allow "recovered from COVID" as a way to bypass testing requirement when you enter Canada through the borders. Source: https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/covid-vaccinated-travellers-entering-canada https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/covid-... Canada also has no vaccine passport. Vaccine passports are decided by provinces and every provinces is free to choose criteria of their choice for the passport or if they want a passport at all. Not every provinces have a vaccine passport anymore.
    • ars 5y ago
      From the link you gave: "What is not accepted as a fully vaccinated traveller Recovered from COVID-19 with only one dose If you’ve recovered from COVID-19, you still need at least 2 doses of an accepted COVID-19 vaccine or mix of 2 accepted vaccines." And Canada does have a vaccine passport, for example, you can't go to WalMart of Costco without vaccination.
  • zulban 5y ago
    Maybe soon, but not yet. Hospitals are still stretched, mostly by unvaccinated patients. If provincial passports included covid recovered, many people who haven't yet gotten infected would have an incentive to get infected.
  • DoctorOW 5y ago
    From the article you linked: > For one, the new report was based on data only through November, before the U.S. booster campaign really took off. It also looked at data during the Delta wave and does not account for the surging Omicron variant. The study doesn't take other variants into account. This is important because later findings reflect the unvaccinated would have immunity from just the one variant and not all of them uniformly. The language would have to be "recovered from all COVID variants" and the protesters have absolutely no interest in health or science.
• busterarm 5y ago
  I guess that's what counts as hacktivism these days. Doxxing working class people and their supporters. It's nice to see the left and right's true colors here and how easily they pulled back the veil of opposition to reveal their true contempt for the lower classes and the real class war underpinning everything. These last two years, I have seen so much scary authoritarianism from well-meaning people using their own moral righteousness as all the justification they need for oppression. I fear things will get worse before they get better.
  • toomuchtodo 5y ago
    Isn’t this freedom? The right to donate and the right to know who did? Aren’t these donations considered speech (US centric)? Or it only distasteful when your speech and opinion is public? I support very robust free speech perspectives and freedom of speech rights, but there are also consequences for our speech (and the protections, in the US at least, are from your government only).
    • fr33d0m_ 5y ago
      Last I heard, "hacking" and DDoS attacks were illegal and against the law?
      • toomuchtodo 5y ago
        I don’t endorse illegal activities, ever, full stop. I speak only of the results. Don’t speak or support what you’d be embarrassed to see successfully attributed to you on the front page of a newspaper. Everyone’s opsec streak runs out eventually, and anonymity should have bounds once you’re influencing the public sphere (politics, in this case). (all of my political donations are public in FEC filings, even those I’m not required to disclose)
        • dahfizz 5y ago
          Do you also support exposing homosexuals who don't want to come out? People have a right to privacy. Stealing private information is the opposite of freedom.
• btbuildem 5y ago
• abernard1 5y ago
  As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish. Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike. It has also been extremely peaceful and frankly comical at times. (We can contrast this with the "fiery yet mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 that negatively affected working class neighborhoods and how that was endorsed as an exercise in contrast. CHAZ, CHOP, etc.) These workers and people who have to work in meatspace have had their lives impeded for two years now, but because white collar, work-at-home employees are mildly inconvenienced for a week, they're advocating police action against them and calling it an insurrection. I'm proud to endorse this honkery, and I do not mind if it inconveniences some bureaucrats, as my neighborhood in Austin had police helicopters circling overhead for a week, cars set on fire, many buildings along 6th entirely destroyed, all while employees at my company enjoyed and supported the carnage financially.
  • olivermarks 5y ago
  • mindslight 5y ago
    By spending much of your comment denigrating other protests (presumably on issues that you care less about), you are doing exactly what you claim to be condemning. Try advocating for the specific laudable goals of your own cause rather than putting others down.
    • zdragnar 5y ago
      Considering that donations to the truckers were being turned down because the truckers were forming an "occupation", while individuals in the previous occupations (including the aforementioned CHOP and CHAZ) had received funds off the same platform... The composition seems relevant. Especially with all the name calling (that the truckers are forming an insurrection) being done by the same people who either stayed silent on, or actively supported Antifa as they shot explosives into occupied government buildings. The truckers are on strike. Not really any different than any other worker strike, which socialists would normally fall over themselves supporting. The thing is, it seems, they cannot abide people going on strike against what they view as unjust government action.
• fennecfoxen 5y ago
  "Public advocacy is for everyone, not only those able and willing to weather abuse. And donors have good reason to fear abuse." — Jeremy D. Tedesco
• Dig1t 5y ago
  Interesting side thought, this whole debacle has made me see the real value of Bitcoin and other crypto currencies..
  • acdha 5y ago
    You mean where your support for a controversial political movement would be irrevocably public? If this list had leaked Bitcoin addresses, the next thing you'd see would be a report of everything else those addresses had been used for.
    • Dig1t 5y ago
      True, but its much harder to dox this number of people if all you have is a big list of Bitcoin addresses. It requires significantly more work, plus it's also harder to stop the disbursement of funds like what happened with the Canadian government freezing bank accounts and transactions with this campaign.
      • acdha 5y ago
        > True, but its much harder to dox this number of people if all you have is a big list of Bitcoin addresses. This is also true of any other mechanism: if this was just a list of credit card transaction IDs, it'd be hard to do much with it as well. The problem is when you combine those with other metadata and it seems highly unlikely that anyone would spontaneously stop collecting that information.
        • Dig1t 5y ago
          Sort of true, but also credit card numbers are useless without the PII metadata. If you're storing credit card info like this then you pretty much have to store the sensitive stuff that can be used to dox people alongside it. The metadata isn't a requirement in the Bitcoin case. In fact, the way that bitcoin works, you wouldn't even end up with a centralized list like this of all the donors to get leaked in the first place. Some interested journalist or activist would have to go and manually compile it by looking at all the transactions themselves.
• awaywithcovid 5y ago
  • boringg 5y ago
    Honestly your post looks like a fraudulent/troll post as you have only posted once. Professing to be a very concerned covid citizen and then saying how peaceful this protest is. It has significant impacts so far: Shutdown the largest trade border, cache of guns found in Coutts protest, local downtown core of Ottawa closed, $800,000 per day to the police services to manage it, harassment of people on the street, white nationalist flags and other imagery, attempted arson for an apartment building. Also it isn't some friendly truckers who are just fed up - this is an organized protest by two fringe politicians from Alberta who planned to use the wedge issue to get traction for their party. Most truckers (90%) are vaccinated and working currently - this is a vocal minority raised combined with a non-truckers right wing nationalists jumping on the protest train.
    • AnimalMuppet 5y ago
      > this is an organized protest by two fringe politicians from Alberta who planned to use the wedge issue to get traction for their party. Source? Evidence? (I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong - I don't follow Alberta politics. I'm just saying, I've never heard anything of this, so throw me some breadcrumbs here...)
      • boringg 5y ago
        Tamara Lich is Maverick Party BJ Dichter is Peoples Party. A lot of this is grievance politics imported from the US and Canada West - and definitely some from Ontario. Maybe its breadcrumbs ... Here's the coles notes on the key people behind this protest: https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-major-players-in-the-trucker-convoy-protest-1.5776441 https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-majo... https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-a-look-at-the-main-organizers-behind-ottawas-protests/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-a-look-at-the...
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• sebow 5y ago
  That's a nice way of spelling doxxing.Remember "it's bad only when the other side does it".
  • barbazoo 5y ago
    Publishing the already publicly available data isn't doxxing yet. This is necessary information the public needs to see to start estimating how much of that money is coming from foreign donors so we can question why and deal with it accordingly.
    • totony 5y ago
      I'm eager to see passwords leaks as well as all the other personal info leaks for the last decade be exposed then. Remember the Desjardins leak a few years ago? Is that OK? I fail to see why a leak is considered "public information" to you or why specifically it's ok for this case but not equifax, desjardins and all the others.
      • 8note 5y ago
        Understanding american meddling in canadian affairs is handy for canadian sovereignty.
        • totony 5y ago
          Does that justify the doxxing? What about the informations of Canadians? Collateral damage? Law enforcement has enough tools to investigate stuff like this. The public doesn't need access to everyone's information just in case it's "helpful."
    • hunterb123 5y ago
      Didn't seem necessary when it was the Hunter laptop, or the Ashley diary, or the DNC emails. Those things were ignored in the MSM as "illegally obtained" and "disinformation" and banned from discussion on social sites "due to hacking". But this civilian donor list is "necessary information" and the media is licking their chops wanting to broadcast it for their brown shirt goons. Disgusting.
• thinkcontext 5y ago
  I'm confused, is only the truckers convoy data available or was all of GiveSendGo's database compromised? GiveSendGo hosts fundraising campaigns for the full constellation of alt-right, Proud Boy, J6, etc groups that don't get hosted by GoFundMe.
• renewiltord 5y ago
  Jesus Christ, you can't just leave your S3 bucket open, guys. There are lots of warnings from Amazon before you end up doing that, and it's so easy to not do (pre-signed URLs if you really need a URL). I guess it's rather interesting to see the reactions from the media and HN comments. Sort of reflects the relative politics: - Patreon leak. Media didn't go download everyone's data and threaten to get info. HN blamed Patreon. - GiveSendGo (a terrible name imho). Media downloads the data and threatens to get info. HN blames the hacker. I think I'm going to choose consistency here. I hate these data breach guys, but it's sort of like I hate mosquitos. If I could cleanse the Earth of them I would, but I can't. So I accept they are just a natural constraint. But if your hotel has mosquitos I'm going to blame your hotel. This 'hack' is dealing with amateurish security. If you're in a controversial place you've got to do better. GiveSendGo has a lot of work to do (unless this was something weird this specific campaign did). And their security position on this was terrible: https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/08/ottawa-trucker-freedom-convoy-exposed-donation/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/08/ottawa-trucker-freedom-con... > TechCrunch contacted GiveSendGo co-founder Jacob Wells with details of the exposed bucket on Tuesday. The bucket was secured a short time later, but Wells did not respond to our questions, including if GiveSendGo planned on informing about the security lapse those whose information was exposed.
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  • Apocryphon 5y ago
    Thank you for writing a comment that is actually about opsec and technology, unlike so many others in this thread.
  • wmil 5y ago
    Patreon is a bay area startup with loads of VC funding. Their engineering team is well paid and people hold them to a higher standard. GiveSendGo has amateurish security because it's an amateurish company. Think of it this way. Patreon's security failure made bay area techies look bad because it turned out that you couldn't just hire a bunch of them and expect things to go well. GiveSendGo's security failure makes bay area techies look bad because it turns out cloud security isn't as easy as they'd like to think. Also taking down small sites that provide services to the out group of the bay area is unacceptable in a democracy. It invites legislative reprisal.
• MomoXenosaga 5y ago
  I didn't join in on the BLM protests because I'm neither American nor arrogant enough to tell Americans how they want to run their society. Ban foreign money entering your political system. Nothing good will ever come from it.
  • tagoregrtst 5y ago
    How about Canadians living in America who are de facto barred from entering their country to visit relatives?
    • criddell 5y ago
      Who is barred? I’ve travelled to Canada to visit family a number of times last year and once so far this year. I have another trip planned for late spring. Canadian citizens enter by right.
      • tagoregrtst 5y ago
        Unvaccinated Canadians older than five who have to quarantine for fourteen days. A 14 day quarantine for an endemic virus just as present in Canada as anywhere else is a de facto prohibition.
        • beaconstudios 5y ago
          Well, maybe they should get vaccinated then.
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          • tagoregrtst 5y ago
            Point stands they’re barred entry. Look, I get it. They’re icky and Canada has a long history of denying or trying to deny entry to “icky” ppl. Mediterraneans, Asians, Eminem (though I forgot about that one eh?). Canada has just a long list of things its apologized for. Like barring entry to Mediterraneans, Asians and Eminem.
• 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
  I'd be curious to see foreign donors.
• talentedcoin 5y ago
  • josephcsible 5y ago
    From the guidelines: > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken.
    • talentedcoin 5y ago
      • pvg 5y ago
        If you are not mistaken, email your evidence to the mods. You can't post like this because it trashes the site and, unfortunately, almost all such posts are by people who turn out to have been mistaken or can't reliably show that that they weren't.
        • talentedcoin 5y ago
          • pvg 5y ago
            Again, send you evidence to the mods.
      • synthos 5y ago
        You are not mistaken. Check my reply to an account (created 1hr after OP post) with one comment here. Comment was self contradictory and has misinformation. If it walks, talks, and looks like a duck... Political posts should require accounts older than X to comment, imho
  • spookthesunset 5y ago
    > this illegal, foreign-funded protest If you dig into the bowels of any protest or movement, I'm sure you'll find shady funding somewhere. I mean OLPC was probably funded in part by Epstein money if you look into it hard enough.
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• talentedcoin 5y ago
  For those of you still on the fence or just learning about this, here's a rundown of the fine people in charge of this travesty of a "protest": https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-major-players-in-the-trucker-convoy-protest-1.5776441 https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-majo... PAT KING: Pat King is a far-right protester who has said in videos posted to social media that there may be future plans to target politicians' homes and that "the only way that this is going to be solved is with bullets." He has called for the arrest of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly. King has gained attention online for a video posted to Twitter in which he decries the "depopulation" of white people, as well as another video posted in 2019 in which he makes racist remarks about Jewish, Muslim, and Chinese people.
  • throwaway894345 5y ago
    I genuinely wonder how many of the people protesting actually know who this person is or what he believes (if the parent comment even accurately represents him--I really have no idea). Reminds me of how people would criticize BLM protests on the basis that some people in the BLM org had ties to communism--a very weak criticism considering how many better criticisms existed and how few of the protesters had related views. The parent comment seems like a similarly weak indictment of the protesters.
    • talentedcoin 5y ago
      You think pointing out that there’s far-right extremists managing this whole show is a “weak indictment” when one of the stated goals of said protest is to overturn a democratically elected government?
      • throwaway894345 5y ago
        It's a strong indictment to the extent that this person actually "runs the show" and his views about race represent the majority of protesters' views. Which is to say "yes, it's a weak indictment".
• talentedcoin 5y ago
  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blockade-arrests-rcmp-monday-1.6351112 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blocka... Mounties said in a release Monday that they became aware of a small organized group within the larger protest at Coutts. They say they had information that the group had access to a cache of firearms and ammunition. Officers seized long guns, handguns, multiple sets of body armour, a machete, a large quantity of ammunition and high-capacity firearm magazines.
  • 908B64B197 5y ago
    Did they accidently query their own payroll? Trudeau's father had the Mounties plant bombs at civilians (Canadian citizens on Canadian soil) back in the 70's and tried to blame it on some political group to justify armed intervention [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involving_the_Royal_Canadian_Mounted_Police#Break-ins_and_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involvin...
  • cf100clunk 5y ago
    This type of revelation will likely be commonplace in the days/weeks ahead as militant extremists are exposed.
    • redisman 5y ago
      There will always be some opportunistic groups looking to cause more mayhem in chaotic situations like this. These protests have been literally “mostly peaceful” no?
      • cf100clunk 5y ago
        I got voted down for saying what you did but in a more terse, direct fashion. Too much heat in here with one-day HNers, yourself excepted.
        • jacquesm 5y ago
          one-day HN'ers can't downvote (400 Karma threshold)
• AlimJaffer 5y ago
  As a Canadian I humbly request Americans stay out of our politics, particularly when it comes to influencing them via monetary donations. Get your own house in order, don't encourage wannabe insurrectionists who had a manifesto to take over the government in blatantly undemocratic ways.
  • hunterb123 5y ago
    As an American I'd love if we all stayed out of each other's politics, but that's not how the world works, sorry. That being said, a lot of Americans want freedom everywhere, especially for their neighbors in the north, what's so hard to understand about that? Btw, your insurrection claim is played out and laughable, there is no violence, use words properly. I look forward to seeing your comments about our 2022 midterm elections or our 2024 presidential election.
  • cf100clunk 5y ago
    The U.S.A., and previously Great Britain, has always had an enormous political and economic influence on Canada, for better or for worse. Today we are being noticed in the U.S.A. because we're struggling. Having worked and traveled internationally for many years it is my opinion that at most times we, as a sovereign nation, rarely even occur to American minds. Such is life, and I'm okay with it.
  • yesco 5y ago
    While I have not donated anything to this cause, as an American I fundamentally reject your humble request. The reality is that while in this moment you are against it, the second a protest is in your favor, I'm willing to bet you will turn a blind eye. Nearly all international charities are a form of foreign influence whether you agree with them or not, and your politicians are the ones happy to allow these charities to operate within your nation. If I support a cause within Canada and truly wish it the best, then I will donate to it, just like everyone else in the world already is. I do not support hypocrisy. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-trump-clinton-u-s-election-1.3837993 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-trump-clinton-u-s-el...
  • eindiran 5y ago
• dade_ 5y ago
  It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional (I assume some political end game), but their actions are fueling even more outlandish conspiracy theories. The most insane was that all layers of government did nothing to stop the noise (truck horns), but it ended when a 21 year old who simply filed a court injunction and the protesters complied. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/injunction-ottawa-granted-1.6342468 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/injunction-ottawa-granted-1... I've watched the Toronto Police Service play their A game through this entire debacle. They shut down the protests hard and were clearly visible throughout the city with heavy trucks and busses to block roads and maintain control of the situation. https://www.cp24.com/video?clipId=2376560 https://www.cp24.com/video?clipId=2376560 The idea that Justin Trudeau needs martial law to deal with parked trucks is outrageous. This isn't an insurrection (reference to an MOU was removed from their website and I agree with the assertion that it was a poorly thought out idea, not a threat), there is no violence, and no obvious danger. The last person to use martial law was Trudeau's father (Pierre) for an actual terrorist attack and kidnapping (the diplomat was later murdered). Get some proper police on the job and drop mandates for ineffective measures and let's move on with our lives.
  • HWR_14 5y ago
    I didn't see (nonfringe) calls for martial law. I saw calls for the military to tow the trucks because the actual truck towing companies the police normally subcontracted to were unwillingness to piss off their customer base/risk of violence from truckers/agreement with the protests. And, of the various government agencies, only the military had access to the heavy vehicle movers that were needed. > I think it is intentional (I assume some political end game) Most media doesn't have a political endgame. They have a bias for sensationalism and clickbait.
    • riskneutral 5y ago
      > of the various government agencies, only the military had access to the heavy vehicle movers that were needed I am 100% certain there are people who can easily pick whatever kind of ignition lock cylinders are used in these trucks. It would be far more efficient to "car jack" these trucks, drive them to an impound lot, and auction them off the next day, than trying to tow them with "military tow trucks" (whatever those are).
• daenz 5y ago
• liminal 5y ago
  The lack of effective policing is what's most disappointing to me. The Ottawa police have completely failed to enforce any boundaries. This further erodes public trust in the police and public safety in general. In that sense the protestors are winning.
  • rablackburn 5y ago
    What is effective policing meant to look like in circumstances like this? This is an unarguably large amount of people practicing civil disobedience. How many police does Ottawa have on hand to deal with it? All the tactics I can think of to truly control a crowd this size are rather…harsh (lines of riot police and water cannons etc). So if you don’t take that option you’re left with tactical deployment of officers. Seems like a hard problem to get right. Just because they’re not perfect doesn’t mean they’re not effective. The fact that they’re seizing weapons caches before any particularly heinous outbreaks of violence makes me think they’re prioritising their resources somewhat effectively?
    • sudosysgen 5y ago
      There are less people engaging in highly disruptive actions such as in the blockade of the border pass or in honking at night than police officers. The tactics are pretty simple. You order dispersal for disruptive people. If they refuse, you calmly walk towards and past them as a group in riot gear. If they engage in violence, you act in minimal self defence, and if they refuse to move, you continue, slowly pushing them forwards. If people stay stuck in their trucks or cars, you give them a warning their car is being impounded. If they don't leave by then, you tow it to the side and give a hefty fine, with or without them inside. It's not a hard problem at all. I've been on the receiving end multiple times. It's only when you start throwing tear gas for no reason or beating up people for fun - which police often does to other groups - that you have unprovoked issues. As it stands municipal police has done exactly nothing. They haven't even given fines. The ones seizing weapon caches are the RCMP, under federal jurisdiction. They've recently been allowed to take over the duties of municipal officers because so many of them refuse to do anything.
    • HappySweeney 5y ago
• okokwhatever 5y ago
  Reading this thread demonstrate to me why we (as a society, no matter where you're living) can't live together as we've been doing anymore. The ideas are colliding in too many areas and all of them look like a rat trap. Something hostile in human behavior we are unable to remove is deeply rotten and who knows how we can fix it. This are sad (but non desperate) times to live.
  • snarf21 5y ago
    It is all pushed by digital ad revenue. Conflict is extremely profitable. As long as socials and infotainment (it's not news) companies make more selling conflict and outrage, that is all we'll get. They will amplify anything for more dollars. When is the last time you saw a headline that wasn't click-bait? Everyone is so busy hating their neighbor they miss the oligarchy printing money.
  • jdrc 5y ago
    Governmental centralization control has grown steadily since the start of the 20th century. Control and micromanagement of human behavior and thought, especially in big cities, has grown beyond what humans are capable of tolerating
  • AviationAtom 5y ago
    I don't think much has changed, what has changed is we now have the Internet and technology, enabling the ideas and information to be heard.
    • tablespoon 5y ago
      >> Reading this thread demonstrate to me why we (as a society, no matter where you're living) can't live together as we've been doing anymore. The ideas are colliding in too many areas and all of them look like a rat trap. Something hostile in human behavior we are unable to remove is deeply rotten and who knows how we can fix it. This are sad (but non desperate) times to live. > I don't think much has changed, what has changed is we now have the Internet and technology, enabling the ideas and information to be heard. It's not just that. The internet and technology also allow an unprecedented levels of disconnection, dehumanization, and "filter bubble"-ing. IRL interaction put breaks on a lot things that online interaction has now removed.
• xanaxagoras 5y ago
  I didn't donate but I should have. My name would be in great company on that list.
• newsclues 5y ago
  You cannot trust the news. Only verified facts. There is a information war and the propaganda is being amplified on full blast.
• dukeofdoom 5y ago
  Less than hour before the equivalent of Marshall Law is declared here in Canada and my civil rights are taken away. What should I do in my last hour of freedom?
  • redisman 5y ago
  • sudosysgen 5y ago
    No, it's not the equivalent to martial law. Every civil law still applies, parliament and the courts are still operating normally with their full powers. It's closer to sending the national guard.
    • dukeofdoom 5y ago
      They can put you in prison, and take your car and seize your life savings and property for protesting them, or for giving money for protestors that lost the means to support themselves. Not sure what you're talking about...they decide what is an illegal protest. They will even force tow truck companies to force them to tow protestors vehicles. And Trudeau just admitted he used American companies to tow Canadian vehicles. Literally used aid from a foreign nation to break up protests in his own country. Presumably with the help of the Michigan governor.
      • sudosysgen 5y ago
        No, they can't do that for protesting or giving people money. They can freeze accounts temporarily, that's true, they can't take your money. They can take your car if you block the road and refuse to remove it, yes. That's called getting impounded, and it happens everyday. They can fine you or imprison you for a blockade, yes. That's always been the law. And yes, they can force companies to provide services during an emergency, this is also Canadian law. I don't see how hiring a foreign company to provide a service in exchange for money is "foreign aid". I'm pretty sure he didn't ask any governor for permission, because he doesn't need to, it's perfectly normal for the federal government to hire companies from across the border. Is this harsh? Sure. Is it martial law? No, not at all. In fact, the military isn't even getting deployed, it's all the RCMP.
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• motohagiography 5y ago
  Comments I've read say the file has over 100k names, postal codes, and email addresses of people who have donated. Now, they've likely been radicalized by being doxed, and they can find each other both online, and by postal code. By releasing this data, these hackers have provided probably the most valuable organizing, fundraising, and sales pipeline list for conservative causes and businesses ever created in the country, and it is that quality of forethought that I think makes this a Canadian state backed operation. The wisdom behind this was truly exemplary.