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The medieval habit of ‘two sleeps’
- fireflymetavrse 5y agoI find it fascinating how such everyday routines become relatively hard to be reconstructed even after just 300 years. Wondering if will be the same of our times, if things we consider too banal to document will be considered interesting and very strange or even will be lost after a few centuries.
- _xnmw 5y agoIf I give up computers in the evening and alarm clocks in the morning, this type of sleep cycle actually happens to me quite naturally. I prefer it, actually, just a hard habit to keep in the modern world.
- dang 5y agoEkirch's theory has had many threads on HN over the years - some of them: Humans used to sleep in two shifts - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27334769 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27334769 - May 2021 (60 comments) The History of Sleep - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9501610 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9501610 - May 2015 (11 comments) We used to sleep twice each night - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5542453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5542453 - April 2013 (107 comments) Rethinking Sleep - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4558569 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4558569 - Sept 2012 (60 comments) The myth of the eight-hour sleep - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3620742 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3620742 - Feb 2012 (161 comments) Can anybody find others?
- TigeriusKirk 5y ago"Polyphasic sleep" was a popular topic here for a while. https://hn.algolia.com/?q=polyphasic https://hn.algolia.com/?q=polyphasic
- jacquesm 5y agoUntil it became a hot topic and then it ceased to be one.
- ozfive 5y agoPreach!
- cyberge99 5y agoDaVinci was a famous polyphasic sleeper.
- dang 5y agoI remember it well, and also how curiously it died out. But I don't think it's really that related.
- Aramgutang 5y agoIt's doubly curious that there hasn't been a recent resurgence. I'd expect that the WFH trend would be making it more practical and sustainable for many. During polyphasic experiments in my youth, my biggest obstacle was always securing reliable conditions to allow the daytime naps.
- Apocryphon 5y agoThis was the first article I ever heard about this theory. I think its original form was longer, and the link is sadly just an excerpt. “When Bandogs Howle and Spirits Walk” in Smithsonian Magazine - from January 2001! https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/when-bandogs-howle-and-spirits-walk-70893417/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/when-bandogs-h...
- markrages 5y agoI just submitted "The many myths of Paleo sleeping" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29902569 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29902569 (0 comments), on its way to total obscurity.
- 1123581321 5y agoIt’s a good article, especially in the second half where the two theories are synthesized into a narrow, compatible summary, but the clickbait title isn’t compelling and I don’t think really describes the content.
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- barry-cotter 5y agoLooks great but if you want to break up your own sleep pattern and do something useful for an hour in the middle of the night (like B.F. Skinner, who wrote for an hour from 2-3) it would be good to have some really low light for it, or a red lamp.
- dj_mc_merlin 5y agoI believe this theory is largely thought false nowadays, or phrased too strongly at least. I myself have weird sleep cycles. I prefer to stay up into the night and wake up around 12:00, but I vary my sleeping hours by up to 4 hours or so. I go to sleep when I feel like it, and don't feel much discomfort by falling asleep at different times. It leads to weird situations - especially in winter - where I might not see the sun more than a couple hours in 3 days despite being up and around a lot. I don't experience a lot of 'two sleeps', but they do occasionally happen.
- the_only_law 5y agoThis would almost work for me, except one of the “when I feel like sleeping” times aligns with the peak of workday, and “when I fell perfectly awake and refreshed” is too late.
- dylan604 5y agoToo late for whom? Apparently, not for you. With WFH, taking a nice little siesta isn't impossible (and anecdotally sounds like its more common than some would like to admit). Of course, forced to work in an office makes it harder, and probably surrounded by bosses much less sympathetic to the concept.
- dj_mc_merlin 5y agoIt was like that for me too when I worked 9-5 (or more like 6). Now I work "biphasal" days so to speak, from 12:00-16:00 and sometime later in the evening for a couple hours. I find that splitting it up helps me be more productive, I have more of my "software development energy" to spend. I'm lucky that my work offers very flexible hours since we hire around the globe and nobody in my team minds that I review their MRs in the middle of the night. I usually use the day hours as "open office time" for support requests and meetings, and the later time as "proper work time". This helps me avoid context switches.
- boomboomsubban 5y ago>this theory is largely thought false nowadays, or phrased too strongly at least. What theory? The article doesn't really claim that this kind of sleep is better or more natural, just that it was incredibly common. Is the idea that it was common now thought to be false?
- boomboomsubban 5y agoThe most interesting thing about this to me is how it shoes just how little are know and likely will ever know about historical life. This entire concept was just forgotten for centuries, and even now we can just sort of guess that it happened but are unsure why. How many other parts of daily life were just never written down? All our historical sources are so absurdly biased towards a wealthy few that our conceptions of historical life are inherently flawed.
- cdot2 5y agoWe're not really sure what actually happens when two phalanxes meet. We're also not sure how the Romans swapped lines of men out during combat. Lots of the details about ancient combat just werent written about in detail and its not something we can (ethically) test
- spywaregorilla 5y agoHow would you unethically test ancient combat tactics? Unless you mean have people try it until it seems to work, in which case, I'm sure you would find many willing LARPers
- hutzlibu 5y agoReplaying something with toy weapons, is not really the same, as fighting for real. But it would probably make for some approximation.
- kbenson 5y agoI think the issue is that LARPing battle is a poor substitute for what the body can take and how people respond to real pain and damage. We might be getting to the point that we can get somewhat of a foot take on the damage with VR eventually.
- Apocryphon 5y agoVR? What if we just tried it out in a Mount and Blade mod.
- flatiron 5y agoI blame it on alcohol. If I drink I’m always up for a few hours in the middle of the night. And I’m quite sure they were doing a lot of that back in that time.
- atarian 5y agoFunny how they call it a nightcap, but ends up doing the complete opposite.
- Moru 5y agothe name is for the excuse to drink, the effect is totally uninteresting at that time :-)
- AdmiralAsshat 5y agoAh yes. Having an evening drink, falling asleep at like 9PM, and then waking up wide awake at midnight to dick around for a few hours until finally falling back asleep at like 3 AM. It still happens to me from time to time.
- micromacrofoot 5y agoyeah and after a day of labor? a little drink with some bread is all it takes…
- nottorp 5y ago> And I’m quite sure they were doing a lot of that back in that time. Technically, they were all drinking alcohol because water was unsafe. However, beer at least had half the alcohol content that it has today and the wine was strongly watered. For women and children they even added water to the beer. Googled it once. The information should still be available.
- williamdclt 5y agoFunnily, there was a HN thread a day or two ago that was calling _that_ a myth
- huffmsa 5y agoIf my cats are any indication of their larger wilder relatives, 1-3am is prime attack time. Might have been beneficial to be on guard during those hours when the felines were larger and more murderous.
- dboreham 5y agoIn my experience bears also come around at that time too.
- Arwill 5y agoThe article does not mention it, but mothers with small children have to nurse babies every couple of hours, even at night. So given that in middle ages, families had "copious numbers of children" (quote from the article), it is for sure that mothers would need to get up to feed a baby. And then possibly the whole family would woke up too. And if multiple generations were living in the same house, then even more probably there were babies too. I can imagine such a basic need being the root of the habit.
- kelnos 5y agoIf that were the origin of it, then wouldn't there be three or four sleeps, not two?
- necovek 5y agoBabies, on average, only need multiple feedings a night through the first few months. Even if there was a new baby for one mother every year, that would be multiple feedings only for 3 months out of every 12 months. Just like parents today, people would power through that, and not make that a habitual sleeping pattern. I am not saying this makes the hypothesis of the origin being in parenthood true, just that it does not make it false either :)
- bluGill 5y agoThe parent not caring for the baby learns to sleep through. My wife and I swap roles when we wean babies, we need just a couple nights to get used to the changed role.
- pbhjpbhj 5y agoSleep through baby crying? I found my own babies cries to be a complete NMI. When we had infants I'd go back to sleep pretty well instantly (co-sleeping, with baby on a side-cot at bed level; baby breastfed, not by me) but in general one would wake to the little snuffles that precede the crying (I guess that helps to calm them before they get in a tizzy [in a state, brought on by their own actions, crying in this case]). I sleep through thunderstorms without stirring. I'm a few years out from dealing with crying babies and still if there's crying in the background, that sounds like one of my kids, I'll pop-up like a meerkat. The sound even gets though (non noise-cancelling) headphones when I'm gaming, though I won't know what I've heard until I take them off.
- chairmanwow1 5y agoI had this sleep schedule for a few months in college. It was awesome and horrible.
- frandroid 5y agoWhy was it horrible?
- cm2012 5y agoConsidering this has been in the news for 10 years and pretty much no one does it, not even a weird sub community, we can safely say this is not a legitimate sleeping pattern for humans.
- new_guy 5y agoSpeak for yourself. I personally do it, it's fantastic. But it does get me a little out of sync with the rest of the world, but with time differences etc. it's not a big deal. I'm sure a LOT of people do it, and if you turn off your alarm clock and having to get up at x time, and going to sleep at y time, to be 'refreshed' etc, you'd notice the benefit yourself. Just sleep when you're tired, eat when you're hungry. Trying to have rigid rules around all this does more to damage peoples health than anything else.
- Barrin92 5y agoEver since working from home during the pandemic sleeping from like 2am-6am at night and like 4pm-6pm has become pretty common for me. Not sure if that counts as "biphasic" or just a very long nap but definitely seems fine to me.
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- Icathian 5y agoMy parents (mid 50s) have been doing this for 5-10 years. It just kind of came about naturally with their workdays starting late and them being night owls, and they leaned into it. It's weird enough that I imagine many of the people who do this don't really talk about it with strangers.
- vba616 5y agoAll my life, I was always under the impression that it was normal for modern people once they're in their 50s or 60s. Never heard of the medieval studies before this.
- heikkilevanto 5y agoI wonder how things were in the more northern areas, where daylight was almost constant in the summer and barely existing in the winter. People seem to have survived there for long times, and must have adapted to different sleeping patterns.
- nonameiguess 5y agoJust to add to the chorus of modern reasons this might happen, when I was going through pretty bad spinal disc degeneration, I almost always woke up after somewhere between 3-4 hours of sleep. I just couldn't go any longer until I was in too much pain and needed to move about, ice it, take more meds, whatever I could do. That isn't the case any more because of spinal fusion surgery that wasn't an option in the medieval era. I'm sure pretty bad pain you just kind of tried to ignore but could never really get rid of was a common thing back in the day when corrective surgery didn't exist and reliable pain meds didn't either. Alcohol helps, but also disrupts sleep.
- subsubzero 5y agoThis article got me thinking, if artificial light forever changed the way people sleep, what other modern changes have also altered life or physical characteristics of people long ago. 200 years ago everyone had perfectly straight teeth, some think heavily blended/processed foods may have lead to under developed jaws and crooked teeth for alot of modern people or possibly high sugar, its not known but something in the modern era changed our teeth structure for the worse.
- koolba 5y agoDidn’t people lose teeth more often back then as well? Which would naturally lead to more gaps in the mouth and thus less crowding to push teeth inward.
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- lazyasciiart 5y ago> 200 years ago everyone had perfectly straight teeth What makes you think that? That's not what evidence has ever suggested. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/06/tooth-decay-archaeology/4307319/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/06/tooth-...
- notshift 5y agoThe problem and solution has been known for almost a century now; check out the book 'Nutrition and Physical Degeneration' by Weston Price. 'The Dental Diet' is also solid reading. I'm still working through the book, but the tl;dr is that it mostly just comes down to nutritional deficiency. People in the past ate pretty much strictly nutrient-dense foods, people today eat a lot of junk food, empty carbs, and generally foods that just aren't nutrient dense compared to what our ancestors ate (mostly vegetables and meats).
- fersho311 5y agoCan’t you make up for nutrition dense foods with supplements?
- jccalhoun 5y agoI've heard this theory before but the argument for universalness of this in all the previous ones were less than convincing because they only used European sources, This is the first article that looks at material from non-Western cultures and therefore makes a stronger argument that this may be a natural phenomenon rather than a cultural one.
- civilized 5y agoI don't buy this as some universal phenomenon. Because I have very little control over when I sleep or how long. If my body wanted to sleep in two shifts it sure as hell would. But instead I sleep about 6 or 7 hours in one shift.
- dboreham 5y agoIf you only had candles, and you had to make them yourself from pig fat, then things may be different.
- zem 5y agocoincidentally, this was a fairly large plot element in the book i've just finished reading, colson whitehead's "harlem shuffle" (excellent book, recommended). the protagonist switched to a split sleep pattern to get some extra hours during the night to do things his day job didn't give him time for, and which would take away from his family if he did them in the evening.
- jboynyc 5y agocame here to say the same. great book!
- dilawar 5y agoWell, one can always look at other primates sleeping patterns.
- ozfive 5y agoMaybe they didn't live that long due to this being a factor of lost REM sleep?
- TameAntelope 5y agoRight? Let’s not forget all of the terribleness that existed at the same time as this biphasic cycle, my inner skeptic tells me either this is the cause or the effect of some of that terribleness.
- hnbad 5y agoThis is a common misconception. Generally when we talk about life expectancy being low, this has to do with extremely high infant and child mortality. Once you survived your early childhood, life expectancy wasn't significantly lower.
- ThalesX 5y agoIronically I am between my sleeps now. I’ve been casual about life for so long that I’ve fallen into medieval sleeping habits.
- SixDouble5321 5y ago> Ironically Coincidentally
- newshorts 5y agoSame here. I place absolutely no pressure on myself to sleep if I’m not tired. I fell asleep at 7:30pm and Woke up at 10:30pm I’ll do some work and be back asleep by 2 or 3. My kids will be up at 6:30 and it’s all good with me. When my kids get older, my sleep patterns will change again I’m sure, as they did when we entered into parenthood. Fighting for sleep feels like an argument with reality, my kids are young and up periodically throughout the night. c’est la vie
- FpUser 5y agoHa, I've been doing it all my life. Taking 1-1.5hr nap during lunch time or in the evening. Not every day but often enough.
- ubukhary 5y agoThis was practiced in Muslim world as well. We have a mid night prayer called tahajjud.
- wolverine876 5y agoInteresting. When? Was it expected that everyone would rise and pray?
- bencollier49 5y agoThis was also true of Christianity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_prayer_times#Christianity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_prayer_times#Christianit...
- rmason 5y agoSurprised the article doesn't mention siesta's or mid-afternoon naps that are common is Spain.
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- nacs 5y agoAlso in some South-Asian countries (and countries where the noon sun is too much).
- DantesKite 5y agoWhat I find interesting is how there are references to a second sleep in literature, such as Charles Dickens and Don Quixote. Whether it's cultural or biological remains to be seen, but it definitely seem to be common enough that it didn't merit explaining, except as a casual reference.
- axiosgunnar 5y agoOne wonders what other „too obvious to commemorate for future generations“ things people once did and now don't…
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- dukeofdoom 5y agoI often fall asleep with my clothes on and TV on. Wake up in the middle of the night, take shower, brush my teeth and go to bed again. I feel more rested those nights that this happens.
- square_usual 5y agoI tried this for a few weeks in college and it was a pretty neat experience. I slept first from 9-12 and then 3-7/8. Those three hours between 12 and 3 ended up being super productive - I was very energized and had creative ideas about whatever I was doing. I had to stop because going to bed at 9 in college was like kissing your social life goodbye, but even these days if I naturally wake up in the middle of the night the hours that follow end up being amazing for my productivity. I think I'll try it out again.
- tjoff 5y agoOh, so, 21-24 and 3-7/8. Took me a while.
- square_usual 5y agoYeah, should've bene clearer about that, my bad.
- Swenrekcah 5y agoI knew some people in college who might well have kept the 9-12 and 15-19 sleep routine...
- kvgr 5y agoYeah there was a time, where I would sleep from 2-4 to 8 and then take 2 hour nap in the afternoon(after school when I just dropped dead) because insomnia. But I felt like shit all the time...
- Bayart 5y agoAh yes, the MMORPG sleep regimen.
- bencollier49 5y agoSame but with MUDs.
- hatmatrix 5y ago"Despite near-constant headlines about the prevalence of sleep problems, Ekirch has previously argued that, in some ways, the 21st Century is a golden age for sleep – a time when most of us no longer have to worry about being murdered in our beds, freezing to death, or flicking off lice, when we can slumber without pain, the threat of fire, or having strangers snuggled up next to us." What a wonderful time we live in!
- paganel 5y agoNot sure if your comment was partially made as a joke or not but I can certainly attest that having to wake up at 4 or 5 in the morning because of lice is not ideal. My parents live in the (Eastern-European) countryside and because of the environment (basically all sorts of animals living around the house) they started having lice since 2-3 years, I think. You eventually get used to them, one of the keys is to tuck (I think that's the word) your sleeping pants well into your socks, so that the damn beasts won't make their way up on your skin from bellow. Sleeping with the bedside lamp turned on seems to also have helped, but not sure if that was my placebo or not.
- bloak 5y agoAre you really talking about lice, or do you mean bedbugs? If you mean lice, do you mean head lice, body lice, or pubic lice?
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- paganel 5y agoYeah, on second thought, and after some google image searches, I think I was talking about fleas, which I had mistaken for "body lice", I think. Bedbugs are a whole another beast which I won't wish on my worst enemy to experience.
- forgotmypw17 5y agoI've had lice before, both head and body types, and they were so benign and not bothersome that I allowed them to stay voluntarily out of kindness and generosity. They are really amazing little creatures.
- Taywee 5y agoI find it frustrating that the explanation of the schedule switches from a 24-hour clock to apparently a 12-hour clock without AM or PM designation > From as early as 21:00 to 23:00, those fortunate enough to afford them would begin flopping onto mattresses...A couple of hours later, people would begin rousing from this initial slumber. The night-time wakefulness usually lasted from around 11:00 to about 01:00
- aparticulate 5y agoMy theory— In the UK, 24-hour is used much more in writing than in other parts of the anglosphere, but no Brit uses 24-hour in speech. I reckon the typo occurs when people have to convert from their "speaking" brain to their "writing" brain.
- zarzavat 5y agoThat and because British people are used to thinking in both systems and implicitly converting between them, they may not even notice the inconsistency. Whereas for Americans who are used to the 12 hour system, the discrepancy sticks out much more strongly.
- quickthrower2 5y agoAs a Brit and a developer who has ploughed through many a 24h format log entry, I agree!
- galaxyLogic 5y agoSiesta!
- knoke 5y agoMuch (muuuch) more on this in Craig Koslofsky’s ridiculously interesting “Evening’s Empire”: https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/evenings-empire/9CB4189A21606DC6E71075BB034573CF https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/evenings-empire/9CB4189... How we turned night into day. And basically a story how technology really went hand in hand with a social revolution.
- marttt 5y agoI tried "polyphasic sleep" about 10 years ago, and while I was mentally sharp at night (a huge surprise, as I had considered myself a definite morning person before), I also started to gain weight.
- amitizle 5y agoI'm doing this, but with a small modification: I've added a third sleep between the two sleeps
- BrandoElFollito 5y agoI am wondering how they dealt with that pattern during summer when the night is short. the article mentioned that a contemporary reproduction of the pattern used blinders to cut off the natural light - something I guess most people did not have in the Middle-Ages. It also mentions that they were waking up at dawn (which is early in the summer).
- necovek 5y agoIt's so weird that all this research and discussion never once mentions daylight length difference between summer and winter in parts of the world far out of the equatorial belt. The difference is between almost 16h of night time (depending on your definition, of course, since some light will be there even if Sun is not out) in late December and 8h of night time in late June at 45 degrees of latitude. I wouldn't be surprised if sleeping twice during the night was more frequent during winter time in Europe. Still, ever since fire was introduced into houses, there was an artificial light source as well.
- kvgr 5y agoMy friends mother used to be a dentist, she would go to sleep very early. Then wake up in the middle of the night, do som paperwork and go to sleep again. Sounded very intersting.
- rollthehard6 5y agoI sometimes have 3 - 1 at the normal time, interrupted by needing a pee (Age/male/kidney disease), then a second interrupted by the elder of my two dogs needing a pee and a third short one until work time. Not ideal!
- yummypaint 5y agoI regularly sleep in 4 hour blocks, and it's definitely the most productive and energetic ive felt. I encourage anyone who is curious to try it for at least 2 weeks, though i find it doesn't take long to get used to. The challenge is mapping sleeping times around the rest of society. In my experience the easiest way to transition from sleeping 8 is to wake up early on a weekend day and do a bunch of tiring activity, then take the longest nap possible in the afternoon in a blacked out room. That evening, go to bed as early as you can fall asleep and get up after 4 hours. Then enjoy the watch for a few hours before going back to sleep. I find i'm also less dependent on alarms sleeping that way.
- blahgeek 5y agoSo it’s 3*4 hours per day? I thought the target is to reduce the total time of sleeping
- d3ckard 5y agoReducing amount of sleep is the dumbest idea ever that I fell victim too as well. It's never about reducing sleep, is about making sure you rest properly. It takes what it takes, if you fight your body, it will fight you back (and make your life a horror for a while).
- yummypaint 5y agoIt's 2*4 hours, so the total is the same.
- saalweachter 5y agoI don't usually wake up in the middle of the night, but I have noted the 4 hour (well, more like 3.5-4 hour in my case) block of sleep in my own sleep patterns. It's much easier to wake up after a block of sleep than in the middle of one, and I usually sleep 2 or 3 blocks rather than just a little bit more than 2. On the rare occasions when I was very well rested for a long period of time, I would occasionally wake up after 1 block of sleep, but I never turned that into a two-sleep pattern. I just thought, "Huh, guess I must not be tired any more." and started my day early.
- alliao 5y agoI do 6:30pm to 10pm usually then sleep again from 2 to 6am or so.. the first sleep to recover, the second sleep to relax. waking up time is highly determined by how exhausted I am during the day for the first sleep, and how long it takes me to relax completely for second sleep. been great actually.
- hownottowrite 5y agoAt Day’s Close is a really great book. This article doesn’t do Ekrich’s work justice. https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393329018 https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393329018
- teddyh 5y agoThis again? It’s been pretty thoroughly debunked: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/the-many-myths-of-paleo-sleeping/410707/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/the-many... (Courtesy of quietbritishjim: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16037465 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16037465)
- rnhmjoj 5y agoI don't see how that "debunks" the fact that people had the habit of waking up in the middle of the night during the middle ages, which is the main point of this article. In fact, it even says > Ekirch combed through centuries of Western literature and documents to show that Europeans used to sleep in two segments, separated by an hour or two of wakefulness. Siegel doesn’t dispute Ekirch’s analysis; he just thinks that the old two-block pattern was preceded by an even older single-block one.
- daneel_w 5y agoThe habit of first and second sleep was common in Sweden, too. In our case, historic documents mention that the interim was sometime just after midnight; people socialized for an hour or two in the middle of the night before going back to bed for second sleep.
- doingtheiroming 5y agoI've been reading, "The Man on the Donkey" over the last few months or so (so much for the 50 books...). It's a historical novel set in C16 England written in the 1950s. It's an immersive experience using language and descriptions of custom and habit to create a strong sense of the time. Many of the aspects of life mentioned in the article (mattresses of straw, shared beds and rush lights) are there but interestingly, not once have I read a mention of the two sleeps. The author is a historian but either wasn't aware of the practice or didn't feel it worth including. The richness with which she describes other aspects of C16 life is so great though that I find it hard to believe she would not have known if it were a well understood practice. Perhaps sleep is an example of a custom that it is hard to think about doing differently from the way we do and was just missed. But it seems strange that such a big aspect of life isn’t widely understood by historians.
- theodric 5y agoI have a modern habit of waking up for no reason at between 03:30-04:30, being unable to get to sleep until around 06:00, and then having to drag my ass out of bed for off-farm remote work no later than 07:45. It sucks. We don't live in the medieval world, and it would be nice if people who have to deal with modern shit would stop fetishizing and trying to convince people to half-implement stuff that worked in the past but can't work now. edit: Also, I feel like ass ALL THE TIME so the BBC can shove it
- RobKohr 5y agoI've been doing sleep from 12:30AM-4:30AM and then a second sleep from 7am-10:30am. I work with a team that works in Poland and I am in PST time zone, so I mostly do meetings in that time, and then just do coding after I wake at 10:30. It works fairly well, and am well rested with just 7 hrs of sleep.
- bofh23 5y ago“I need my sleep. I need about eight hours a day, and about ten at night.” — Bill Hicks