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Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?
For the unaware, uBlacklist [0] is a browser extension that lets you blacklist sites from the google search results page. It lets you blacklist sites right from the results page, by regex, or by linking lists hosted somewhere.
The low quality of results has been a problem from a while now and has become worse lately thanks to all those StackOverflow and Github clones. So I was wondering if we could come together and contribute to a single blacklist hosted somewhere and then import it into each of our browsers. Who knows? We might end up improving the quality of the results we all get.
Lists to get rid of the StackOverflow and Github clones already exist. [1]
I would love to contribute to a project like this, but won't be able to be a maintainer due to time constraints. Would greatly appreciate it if someone could host this. A simple txt file on github would do.
What do you say, HN?
[0]: https://github.com/iorate/ublacklist https://github.com/iorate/ublacklist
[1]: https://github.com/rjaus/awesome-ublacklist https://github.com/rjaus/awesome-ublacklist
- BuyMyBitcoins 5y agoI am keenly interested in this idea. I sense that in the near future the paradigm of search engines will go from the current “index everything and become a universal answer engine” to “index a small subset of the Internet and become an answer engine honed towards a specific topic/domain”.
- sanketpatrikar 5y agoThe repo exists here: https://github.com/sanketpatrikar/hn-search-blacklist/ https://github.com/sanketpatrikar/hn-search-blacklist/
- pluc 5y agoUse a search engine that doesn't fuck up your results instead of trying to unfuck the results it gives you. Why go through this much effort to still give your money to google?
- Cort3z 5y agoI use ecosia.org wich is like ddg, but a part of the proceeds go into charity. Not affiliated with them, just like it a lot. Like ddg it's just Bing with a gimmick, but it's decent.
- ffhhj 5y ago> ddg it's just Bing with a gimmick Is that true? I've read images are served by Bing, not sure about the web search.
- Closi 5y agoWeb search is served by the Bing Web Search API.
- sct202 5y agoTheir ads are also from Microsoft https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/company/ads-by-microsoft-on-duckduckgo-private-search/ https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/company/ad...
- alberth 5y agoDDG is like "Dr Pepper" of search engines. Coke/Pepsi create, market, manufacture, distribute their soda. Dr. Pepper just creates and markets their soda. They don't manufacture or distribute their own soda (believe it or not, Pepsi manufactures & distribute Dr Pepper soda).
- omnicognate 5y agoAny recommendation? I use ddg but it's Bing based and the results are no better.
- TrueDuality 5y agoDuckDuckGo is not Bing based.
- ZeroGravitas 5y agoIsn't this Google's job? Are developers a small but lucrative target and so the suits at Google don't see the benefit of improving that experience by cleaning up the spam? Can we just nudge them to do so under the threat of an influential minority leaving due to their use case being affected?
- tjpnz 5y ago>Isn't this Google's job? Or more fundamentally perhaps this is just the system working as Google intended?
- PragmaticPulp 5y agoI think the disconnect comes from people expecting perfect search results as curated by humans, whereas Google necessarily must optimize for automated results. Automated results will never be perfect.
- MarcelOlsz 5y agoWorst case scenario if Google drops the ball I just go back to the library.
- jstx1 5y agoI'm sure they have great books on stackoverflow answers, reddit reviews of products and opening times of local stores.
- akho 5y agoLuckily, stackoverflow, reddit, and your favorite mapping thing have their own searches.
- MarcelOlsz 5y agoHey it might take me 30 years to find the answer but at least my eyes will thank me!
- asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
- aaron695 5y ago
- jhchabran 5y agoThat's an ambitious goal, I'm not sure to see how that would be maintainable on the long run. On a much smaller scale, if anyone is interested, I maintain a black list focused on those code snippet content farms that gets in the way when you're searching for some error message or particular function here https://github.com/jhchabran/code-search-blacklist https://github.com/jhchabran/code-search-blacklist.
- sanketpatrikar 5y agoIt's worth a try! Also, thanks for maintaining those lists!
- nixcraft 5y agoMay I know why my domain (cyberciti.biz) was added to that list? I created my site back in 2000, and there was no StackOverflow or anything. So much for creating original content and then getting labelled as a spammer. In fact, some of the top answers on StackOverflow were copied from my work without giving any credit to me. Some people do give credit tho. But, go ahead block a site that actual humans maintain over 20+ years. Also check my About[1] and Twitter[2] page. There is no scrapping or spamming going on my part. [1]https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/about-us https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/about-us [2]https://twitter.com/nixcraft https://twitter.com/nixcraft
- nitrogen 5y agoWhat CDN do you use? I was immediately asked to solve a captcha from my phone.
- siva7 5y agoI think we are attacking the wrong angle here. This should be solved at google
- alangibson 5y agoAre you sure it hasn't been (from their point of view)? I've got that old familiar feeling that there has been a change internally about what now constitutes a "quality" search result. Google has been moving toward optimizing for engagement over what we normally thing of as relevance for a while.
- rc_mob 5y agoGoogle is a lost cause by now. The only solution is a competitor. DDG is just as bad since they source results from google so that is not the solution.
- marginalia_nu 5y agoGoogle has precious little incentive to filter out ad-ridden spam content, given that their entire business model is the very ads these sites are plastered in. In short, if you find what you are looking for, they get few ad impressions and make less money. Meanwhile, if you have to click through half a dozen spam results first, there are many ad impressions, and they make more money.
- _8j50 5y agoHow about support better search engines instead?
- q1w2 5y agoIt's usually better to support efforts that have a greater chance of succeeding, than supporting the ideal solution that is unlikely to happen. ...assuming "support" is a substantive action and thus a finite resource, and not just an upvote on a social media page.
- snth 5y agoWhich are better in this regard?
- _8j50 5y agoKagi imo, will be paid though.
- omnicognate 5y agoAnd waitlist atm (which I'm on). Having to pay for a search engine would be a feature not a bug, IMO.
- o_m 5y agoIt is based on Google and Bing, so you will get the same spam results
- _8j50 5y agoTheir selling point is that you won't. You will get a lot less results with it too. Liking it so far, can't say I've run into spam with it
- imglorp 5y agoSee comments in this thread for a number of lists in progress. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29546433#29549855 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29546433#29549855
- runnerup 5y agoI'd love to contribute. If my small contributions collectively have the potential to save many hours of others' time, it may end up the most impactful thing I do this year.
- sanketpatrikar 5y agoI created this repo. https://github.com/sanketpatrikar/hn-search-blacklist https://github.com/sanketpatrikar/hn-search-blacklist
- rubyist5eva 5y agoI just use duckduckgo with fallback bangs when the results aren't satisfactory to me, usually falling back to Bing. Google doesn't deserve my time or my eyes.
- tagoregrtst 5y agoIm afraid this is potentially dangerously political. Are you only going to filter obvious spam and sites that republish other’s content, or are you going to block sites that are “harmful” or disseminate “disinformation”? Who will get to decide which media bubble I’m in?
- sharikous 5y agoIt can be made configurable - an option for github clones, another for SO clones, etc..., the folks who want to filter "harmful" content will add their category
- tagoregrtst 5y agoWho sets the default 90% of people won’t touch? Someone, give me the late 90’s cesspool of un-curated internet back! Everything is so… trite now.
- beart 5y agoThis is a browser extension that you have to explicitly install and configure. You get to decide which media bubble you are in (setting aside the fact that google may or may not curate their search results.)
- Closi 5y ago> Im afraid this is potentially dangerously political. It only took 7 days for that other search engine project on HN last week (Mwmbl) to add hard-coded weights for certain news websites, so it does show how careful you have to be with this stuff. https://github.com/mwmbl/mwmbl/blob/a41088ca9ad7fdcac952a3be84c086316d9e77fa/mwmbl/tinysearchengine/hn_top_domains_filtered.py#L1 https://github.com/mwmbl/mwmbl/blob/a41088ca9ad7fdcac952a3be...
- schleck8 5y agoWhat's the issue with that? Doesn't Google do this too, based on ssl availability for instance?
- alangibson 5y agoA reply to those in this thread saying that Google should/will take care of this: Imagine you had a position in a huge market that was as close to unassailable as there has ever been. Imagine also that you have a controlling position over the mechanisms that allow people to participate in that market. Now try to make a case against optimizing for squeezing every last cent out at the cost of the user experience. In 10 years we will regard Google the way we regard cable companies today. Maybe even worse since we need to be able to search for answers more than we ever needed cable TV.
- greenyoda 5y agoThe good news is that competition is much easier in the search market than in the cable TV market (since it's hard to run a new cable into everyone's house). If comparatively tiny operations like DuckDuckGo or Brave can launch decent search engines, I think there's hope of reducing Google's dominant position in the market.
- zavkz 5y agoHow about a search engine that does this already?
- geuis 5y agoNah. Blocking isn’t the answer. What we need is a better search index. I find it difficult to believe that relatively beginner NLP projects get posted here all the time, yet no one has adapted that stuff to create a new search index. Personally I don’t know enough to really do this well, but I can tell just blocking sites from Google’s results isn’t the way.
- jagged-chisel 5y agoSounds like we'd just need an HN uBlacklist subscription. Sourcing and validating submissions to the blacklist is the problematic bit. Perhaps use HN as an OAuth provider (not currently an available feature), use rules based on account age and karma for allowing or scoring submissions, voting system like HN ... sounds like something that might actually do better hosted on HN.
- sheeeep86 5y ago
- slingnow 5y ago
- marpstar 5y agoI don't think OP is the author of the extension which has blacklist in the name...
- hu3 5y agoRelated: git, GitHub and GitLab switched the default branch name from master to main. - https://github.blog/changelog/2020-10-01-the-default-branch-for-newly-created-repositories-is-now-main/ https://github.blog/changelog/2020-10-01-the-default-branch-... - https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2021/03/10/new-git-default-branch-name/ https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2021/03/10/new-git-default-bra...
- bauerd 5y agoWith the consequence that the default branch now differs between locally and remotely initiated repositories
- hu3 5y agoFor old versions of git, yes. However, recent versions come with "main" as the default. And since 2.28, released more than a year ago, we have the option to change the default: git config --global init.defaultBranch main
- FerretFred 5y ago
- pddpro 5y agoInteresting. I'm curious as to what you use instead of "whitelist" and "greylist"?
- rolisz 5y agoWhy not use another search engine, such as Kagi, which has built-in support for this? At least for the programming niche, Kagi has worked really great for me for a month now.
- execat 5y agoIs their plan to have the login screen on landing or is it just a beta thing? If I have to log in to an account only to search, that'd be a no-go for me.
- sharikous 5y agoKagi is still in beta as far as I know. I sure hope someone will fill this niche eventually.
- tjungblut 5y agoIndeed, I'm very happy with kagi so far
- LinuxBender 5y agoThis is just my own personal preference, but I manage my own list of what is blocked or allowed on my systems. I would be concerned that a group contributed list for this category of blocking could quickly devolve into a group-think censorship dominated by whomever is the most devoted to blocking and extending echo bubbles to peoples browsers.
- hayesall 5y agoSeeing "how other people configure their tools" can be interesting. I love seeing how people configure their .bashrc with custom commands. I don't think I'd want to download a list of the most blocked sites and plug it into one of my tools though, for some of the reasons you mentioned.
- throwawayboise 5y agoThat, or it would be gamed by the SEO folks like they do every other thing that was once good.
- tyingq 5y ago>become worse lately thanks to all those StackOverflow and Github clones A google search showing some of these leech type sites: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22code+that+protects+users+from+accidentally+invoking+the+script+when+they+didn%27t+intend+to%22 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22code+that+protects+users+... For me, "farath.com" is outranking stackoverflow.
- tut-urut-utut 5y agoJust tried your search in both Google and Duck Duck Go. On Google first page spam copies are ~80% of the links, on DDG maybe 40%. Not good, but much better than Google.
- ahurmazda 5y agoI tried you.com[1]. The first few results seem quite relevant. Best part is that you can actually personalize the weights to assign to your search (your very own bubble) https://you.com/search?q=code%20that%20protects%20users%20from%20accidentally%20invoking%20the%20script%20when%20they%20didn%27t%20intend%20to&fromSearchBar=true https://you.com/search?q=code%20that%20protects%20users%20fr...
- ffhhj 5y agoI saw you.com displays some Code Complete snippets but the lines are too short and doesn't get the language highlighting, which make it harder to read. Nice try anyway.
- tobyjsullivan 5y agoThis isn't the same search. The parent post had quotes around the phrase. You.com returns identical copy-cat results if you do the same search. To be fair, not sure what other results we'd expect if we're going to search for a specific, plagiarized phrase. Edit: actually, upon review, you.com does indeed give one extra useful result within the top three. So one point to gryffindor.
- tyingq 5y ago
- hammock 5y agoGoogle's existing blacklist is half the reason (for me) that the results quality has declined so much. So this is not a great solution.
- _aavaa_ 5y ago
- dredmorbius 5y agoTL;DR: I strongly suspect that relatively small, personally-curated lists will be much more appropriate and highly effective. These might be augmented with specific classifications, but probably not on a widespread basis. Though the proposed solution borrows heavily from concepts long used in email and Usenet spam, there are a few critical distinction in SEO SERP[1] spam which both make a widely-crowdsourced listing less applicable and less necessary. In the case of email, your inbox is an unlimited resource to the spammers --- there's effectively no limit to how much spam they can throw at it. As there are also an effectively limitless set of source addresses (by either domain name or IPv6 addresses), and because email/Usenet spam is itself a quantity/numbers game with rapidly shifting origins, collectively-source and curated blocklists have value.[2] A SERP is itself a finite resource --- the default is to display 10 results, and not making it into the top ten provides little reward. Moreover, high ranking search takes some effort and time to achieve, it's not like in email where a new server can spin up and immediately start deluging targets. My experience with annoyances matching this sort (stream-based social media is one example) is that blocking a relatively small number of high-profile annoyances hugely improves signal/noise ratios. And I think that will be the case with SERPs as well. There are a half-dozen or so sites which tend to dominate results in most cases, and those can be individually blocklisted (if the capability exists). If more appear, they can similarly be removed. The other factor is that quite a few sites which some people find exceedingly annoying and spammish, others find appealing. Coming to agreement on what to block, and classifications of such domains / sites, is likely to be difficult and/or contentious. There may be exceptions in specific instances (hence: specific classifications of unwanted results), but less so in the general case. I might be wrong. The case of DNS adbloc, with PiHole as the classic example, shows that very large lists can be compiled and used. My own Web adblock / malware block configurations have typically had from ~10k to ~100k of thousands of entries. That said, the really heavy lifting is typically done by a much smaller fraction of the total. Power laws and Zipf functions work in your advantage here. ________________________________ Notes: 1. Search engine results page, that is, what you see in response to a query. 2. Even in the case of email spam, the principle value is largely from curated lists, usually by experts, e.g., Spamhaus.
- sanketpatrikar 5y ago
- TrueDuality 5y agoHuzzah, that extension supports other browser engines as well. It's not nearly as atrocious an issue on DuckDuckGo but there are still some of those re-post heavy sites that aggressively get through, as well as some low quality content farms. It's nice to have a tool available to do local/personal fine grained refinement.
- fsflover 5y agoThis looks like a big, time-consuming project that would rely on a private Google API that can change any time. I think it's not worth to invest your effort into that. I wish more people would help to improve FLOSS, peer-to-peer search engine YaCy instead, https://yacy.net https://yacy.net.
- TrueDuality 5y agoThis improves other search engines as well, not just the Google universe. I'm sure even an opensource, peer-to-peer search engine will have similar issues of content farm content and gamed pages if it becomes large enough to compare with search engines like DuckDuckGo. On the other hand it is absolutely ridiculous to conflate the difficulty of occasionally adding a domain to a local filter, and assisting to build a random unproven search engine. People volunteer their development effort for projects they personally find interesting or challenging. If you want more developers advocate for the project don't try to scold people for wanting to spend a small amount of their time refining a solution that works for them.
- upbeat_general 5y agoI’m not sure why you think that a domain blocklist would be harder than custom search engine development. Plus there’s no private Google API here, just an extension that removes search results from the page. I suppose you could say the extension APIs are from Google (Chromium) but they’re certainly not private and are commonly used.
- fsflover 5y agoDoesn't this extension depend on how exactly the ads are presented on the page? Can't this be changed by Google easily? > I’m not sure why you think that a domain blocklist would be harder than custom search engine development. I didn't say this. The custom search is already created. Helping it's development is much easier now. AFAIK it's main problem is the lack of hosted servers.
- upbeat_general 5y ago
- quyleanh 5y agoCould anyone tell me why we don't add these domains to adblock filter?
- aronpye 5y agoWouldn’t it be easier to simply invert the problem and come up with a whitelist instead? When searching for technical info there are only a handful of sites I use, namely stackoverflow and wikipedia.
- darekkay 5y agouBlock Origin supports blocking search results, so I don't require an additional browser extension. I maintain a blocklist for myself, targetting Google and DuckDuckGo [1]. Feel free to contribute more websites or use this list as a template for your own repository. [1] https://github.com/darekkay/config-files/blob/master/adblocker/search-engines.txt https://github.com/darekkay/config-files/blob/master/adblock...
- laurentlbm 5y agoI also use uBlock, but with this list: https://github.com/stroobants-dev/ublock-origin-shitty-copies-filter https://github.com/stroobants-dev/ublock-origin-shitty-copie...
- dorianmariefr 5y agoBlocking w3schools, I was not sure but I think you are right, MDN is just much better
- colesantiago 5y agoOr just use search.brave.com No problems there. Comparison [0] [0] https://brave.com/search/ https://brave.com/search/
- ColinHayhurst 5y agoThus could be really helpful for us at Mojeek, and generally helpful for all search engines we think, done as a list rather than as an extension.
- Abimelex 5y ago
- xwdv 5y agoWhat reasons?
- Abimelex 5y agosee: https://inclusivenaming.org/faqs/ https://inclusivenaming.org/faqs/
- roneoo 5y agoDescribing something negative with the black color is related to racist mindset, in short. Thank you Abimelex for pointing this out
- xwdv 5y agoI disagree. It has nothing to do with race. Even in societies where blacks didn’t exist, black has symbolized bad, evil things. It is ridiculous to say a color cannot mean something negative just because it has the same name as a race of people. I also doubt the rest of the world feels using black this way is racist. It seems to be an opinion held only by coddled American minds still trying to cope with the trauma of learning that everything they enjoy about their country was built on the backs of black slave labor.
- throwawayboise 5y ago> everything they enjoy about their country was built on the backs of black slave labor. And that isn't true either, and to the extent it is, you can point to any other country and find something terrible in its past if you go back far enough. Man's inhumanity to man is universal, not exclusive to America.
- xwdv 5y agoSo the point is, using the term blacklist isn’t problematic.
- deleted 5y ago[deleted]
- analognoise 5y agoWhy are we spending the effort to fix Google? We make $0 doing this, they make...astronomical profits screwing it up. So we invest a bunch of time so they can continue to take in astronomical amounts of money while abandoning "don't be evil"? Absolutely not.
- aaron695 5y ago
- littlecranky67 5y agoI wonder why Apple is not starting it's own search engine. I mean yes, they get >$1Bn per year making Google the default on iOS+macOS, but they have plenty of cash so they wouldn't need it. They would get immediately ~10% market share when it is launched, just because it would be made the default on their devices. From their they just need to present better search results than Google (which shouldn't be that hard right now) and can only grow further. As another commenter here said "Google does not make money by helping you find what you are searching, it makes money by keeping you searching". That only works when there is no competition. But once Apple would be in the game, people would use what presents them with the better results. Right now, I don't feel there is real competition.
- achtung82 5y agoBut what would be their incentive to do so? Normally they launch products and make it exclusive to their devices so more people will buy iPhones, but that is difficult to do with a search engine. Otherwise they would have to get into the ad business like Google.
- littlecranky67 5y agoApple is a publicly traded company, and every company needs to grow into new markets to make more revenue. And they also maintain their own browser Safari, even though on macOS they could just withdraw from market and leave the field to Chrome and Firefox. Even amongst macOS users Safari usage is very low and doesn't make Apple any money. On the other hand you can see how Google is using its dominance in Search to push its browser and mobile OS - once you login to Google in Chrome on your phone, suddenly they can track you when you use their mobile Apps etc. And Apple is trying hard to grow in the "Services" field, i.e. through Apple Music and Apple TV - both available to Windows and Android users too. Just as they made a buttload of money with iTunes and the iPod because they also targeted Windows users.
- ericbarrett 5y agoApple is allegedly paid lots of money to not do this: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/27/google-could-pay-apple-15-billion-default-search/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/27/google-could-pay-apple-...
- dgut 5y agoShameless plug: I run okeano.com, a privacy friendly search engine. We support natively blocklists [0]. [0] https://okeano.com/blocklist https://okeano.com/blocklist
- short12 5y agoDoes HN block Google completely. I can't recall any search bringing them up even with the wealth of onfo
- kevinslashslash 5y agoIronically, when testing an example Google search from this thread, this thread came up. So HN doesn't block Google completely, but maybe has poor SEO so it rarely shows. 4th result is HN for me https://www.google.com/search?q=%22code+that+protects+users+from+accidentally+invoking+the+script+when+they+didn%27t+intend+to%22 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22code+that+protects+users+...
- hooande 5y agoThe problem with this is illustrated in another comment where nixcraft's site, cyberciti.biz, was added to a personal block list. The content on the site does seem to be original and productive. I'd guess it was added based on the criteria of "I haven't heard of this site and the domain looks suspicious". I have a feeling that this will be true for other domains on this proposed master list. And the owners of those domains will have no recourse. Specifically blocking github clones seems doable. Adding anything else needs equally specific criteria or it will quickly become subjective and unfair.
- unilynx 5y agoOdds are some of things some HN users want blocked are startups started by other HN users. What if w3schools didn't yet exist but applied to YC tomorrow?
- calltrak 5y ago
- mrkramer 5y agoOpen source software FTW
- decebalus1 5y agoHow about we just let the free market decide and just go with another search engine instead of trying to fix the perception of a broken product which we don't own?
- AmosLightnin 5y agoShouldn't we make a plugin for SearX that learns from the results you click, so that the customization and machine learning is on the client side? That way search becomes a commodity, but the final selection algorithm's behavior is owned by the user.
- gremlinsinc 5y agoThat'd be pretty sweet, esp if it also could access my personal stuff (notion, bookmarks, etc to search those and put them higher...in context).
- j1elo 5y agoThis was discussed around a month ago, leading me to this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29546433#29549855 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29546433#29549855 and the consequent uBlock Origin list that is what I'm using as the so far better solution for this problem: https://github.com/stroobants-dev/ublock-origin-shitty-copies-filter https://github.com/stroobants-dev/ublock-origin-shitty-copie... but it will need curation and updates over time, which I'm not sure the author is willing or has the time to do.
- classified 5y agoMy method of improving search results is to not use Google.
- deleted 5y ago[deleted]
- iio7 5y agoThere is also https://www.mojeek.com/ https://www.mojeek.com/, I haven't tested it out in a while, so perhaps it has become better, but they should be striving to make it what Google used to be.
- samuelfekete 5y agoBlocking bad sites is just one side of the coin. You should also be able to promote sites that you are more interested in. This is the goal of Entfer (Show HN thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29799867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29799867) Entfer will in the future also allow you to bulk export and import your personal rankings, so that they can be shared on GitHub, for example.
- Otek 5y agoOfftop: Please notice that uBlacklist has nothing to do with uBlock Origin. They just use uBlock’s “brand”. Also uBlock Origin have “blacklist” feature, you don’t need uBlacklist if you use uBlock Origin.
- gitgud 5y agoHere's the low quality sites, if anyone is curious... I'm sure you'll recognise them https://raw.githubusercontent.com/arosh/ublacklist-github-translation/master/uBlacklist.txt https://raw.githubusercontent.com/arosh/ublacklist-github-tr...
- sobkas 5y agoIf only distributed search engine was possible...
- ChrisArchitect 5y agouBlacklist? You have that much of a problem getting relevant search results? Seems like bad search technique and paranoia. Seems crazy to have to maintain a blacklist for a few domains on specific searches. You can "search around" the bad domains with higher quality search phrases
- throwaway745686 5y agoNot sure if this is helpful, but here you go: https://someonewhocares.org/hosts/ https://someonewhocares.org/hosts/