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To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

rapind 5y ago
He was always into the conspiracy stuff, and it was usually pretty light and interesting. The tone and guests definitely changed around the time he moved to Austin (no knock on Austin, I love that place). Politics and stuff I guess. I lost interest too.
- wickoff 5y ago
  Me too. I think his friend circle became almost entirely right leaning since the move and his viewpoints are no longer balanced. I listen to a few other podcasters who definitely can't called lefties, yet they manage to present things in nuanced and less biased ways. It doesn't seem like a very difficult thing to do, yet he fails at it miserably.
Clubber 5y ago
I don't think that's accurate. Do you have some links or anything to back that up? Like actual transcripts, not some media interpretation. "People say, do you think it's safe to get vaccinated? I've said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do," Rogan said on the podcast. "But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Are you healthy? Are you a healthy person?" "If you're a healthy person, and you're exercising all the time, and you're young, and you're eating well," Rogan continued, "like, I don't think you need to worry about this." If this is what you are referring to, is that really anti-vax?
- ta2987 5y ago
  Yes.
- JxLS-cpgbe0 5y ago
  > should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Yes that's anti-vax. We get vaccinated not just to protect ourselves from death, but also to protect those around us by reducing the transmission of disease.
  - I_cape_runts 5y ago
    False. The vaccinated can and do transmit the disease. Vaccination only protects you. It doesn’t protect others around you.
    - JxLS-cpgbe0 5y ago
      It reduces the chance of transmission. That's how it protects others... > Vaccination only protects you False. Vaccinated people can still get sick, and vaccination reduces the spread of disease, protecting people that aren't you. http://cdc.org/ http://cdc.org/
      - makomk 5y ago
        Except that all the existing evidence suggests your argument is backwards. Whilst Covid-19 vaccination doesn't provide full protection for either the vaccinated or those around them, it seems to be much more effective at protecting the person being vaccinated against severe symptoms, hospitalization and death than it does at stopping them catching and spreading the virus to others. As far as I can tell, literally the only reason vaccination is primarily framed as a way of protecting others is because that framing fits better into left-wing politics; it has nothing to do with the actual evidence.
        Clubber 5y ago
        According to the CDC, each vaccine efficacy at preventing the recipient from catching the virus. To your point they also reduces severity of symptoms. Looks like the J&J one ain't that great at prevention. Based on evidence from clinical trials in people 16 years and older, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 95% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed infection with the virus that causes COVID-19 in people who received two doses and had no evidence of being previously infected. Based on evidence from clinical trials, in people aged 18 years and older, the Moderna vaccine was 94.1% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infection in people who received two doses and had no evidence of being previously infected. The J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine was 66.3% effective in clinical trials (efficacy) at preventing laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infection in people who received the vaccine and had no evidence of being previously infected. People had the most protection 2 weeks after getting vaccinated. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different...
- reanimus 5y ago
  Yeah, it is! People thinking they don't need the vaccine are contracting COVID and acting like human petri dishes for new variants to arise from. It's also ignoring the reality of COVID aftereffects (like parosmia) that affect young people who recover too.
  - clipradiowallet 5y ago
    How do you come to that conclusion? Specifically your conflusion that Joe Rogan is "anti-vax" from your sample of him replying "I'll go no". If that's all it takes for you to label someone, is someone saying "I'll go no" to a homosexual encounter also anti-gay? Is someone who doesn't agree with their governments policy anti-government? Might want to relax a bit...I hear opinions are like certain body parts. We've all got them, including Joe Rogan, and getting up in arms about it doesn't help you or anyone else.
- kelnos 5y ago
  I don't know anything about what Rogan has said about vaccinations (I'm not the parent you're replying to), but I still think this is a very disappointing, dangerously misinformed take on his part. He's flat-out wrong; if you're 21, generally healthy, exercising, etc., you absolutely should get the vaccine. Also note that at first glance what he says sounds reasonable. He's not the frothing-at-the-mouth anti-vaxxer spouting garbage about vaccines containing tracking chips, or part of the idiot crowd decrying vaccination as somehow an affront to their liberty. He's saying something reasoned, in a presumably calm manner, and that will push even reasonable people believe it, even though he is completely wrong. These takes encourage people to only think about themselves. Even if a young, generally healthy (unvaccinated) person is unlikely to get sick (or worse), they could still very easily end up an asymptomatic carrier, and give it to someone who isn't in such great shape. Beyond that, an unvaccinated host is also a great place for the virus to mutate and spread, prolonging the pandemic for everyone. Everyone who is eligible and medically able needs to get vaccinated. I'm getting super tired of all this garbage; the US has had the vaccine supply and capability to be out of the pandemic by now, but the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing.
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  - sleavey 5y ago
    > the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing. I'm curious as to what evidence you base that assertion on. Respectfully, can you explain your position there?
  - timr 5y ago
    > He's flat-out wrong; if you're 21, generally healthy, exercising, etc., you absolutely should get the vaccine. While I generally agree with you, this is an opinion, not an unquestionable fact. Especially as we're seeing elevated risk of myocarditis in young men, there's absolutely a legitimate debate here. I don't necessarily think Rogan is the one advancing that debate, but presenting opinions as facts is not helping anyone.
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- crazygringo 5y ago
  Of course that's anti-vax. The main purpose of getting the vaccine isn't just to protect yourself -- it's to reduce the chances of you transmitting it to others. It's about herd immunity, not personal immunity. Whether you're young and healthy is irrelevant.
  - ostenning 5y ago
    Herd immunity is not possible with our current vaccines[1], which means that coronavirus will continue to propagate through society whether you decide to get vaccinated or not. You can make the argument that getting vaccinated reduces the risk of you being hospitalized, which keeps a bed and a nurse available for someone else. Thats a much more valid argument to make. [1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2 Edit: for those downvoting me, I’ve added a reference for more information
    - TigeriusKirk 5y ago
      >Herd immunity is not possible with our current vaccines, which means that coronavirus will continue to propagate through society This is my understanding as well, which was why I decided to get vaccinated. If avoiding infection is impossible in the long run, I should help my immune system prepare for it. I wonder how differently things would be going if the campaign was "Covid is here to stay. You will get it. Get vaccinated." Maybe it would help, maybe not.
      - Clubber 5y ago
        >I wonder how differently things would be going if the campaign was "Covid is here to stay. You will get it. Get vaccinated." I actually heard someone say that today, but I don't remember where. Maybe Breaking Points, but not sure. I was certainly rattled when I saw amateur video of hospital workers stacking bodies in a freezer truck in NYC. They should do more like that. As morbid as it is, it gets the point across. https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/disturbing-footage-shows-dead-bodies-loaded-onto-truck-outside-brooklyn-hospital/ https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/disturbing-footage-shows-dead-... This wasn't the one I saw but you get the idea.
klaudius 5y ago
I suggest you read the book "Virus Mania" for a more skeptical look on epidemics, masks and vaccines.
- technothrasher 5y ago
  That book is as far from "skeptical" as you can get. Denying the very existence of viruses is not skeptical, it's credulity.
tyleo 5y ago
This has been my experience as well. Another commenter mentioned this but I also feel like guests have been less interesting since the move to Austin. I used to be a daily listener now I feel like it can be months between interesting episodes.
- asdff 5y ago
  Easier to find someone available to drive to a studio in LA than to have them fly out of LAX to Austin.
fatcoward 5y ago
> Look at me. I'm a fat coward who gets upset when people say I should lose weight instead of wearing a mask and getting a vaccine. > Ooooh boy I can't wait to get my Fellas (YC 2021) pills so I can lose all this fat off of my back. Teehee. > Don't forget, we should also all eat soy/tofu and ban guns. :) Guns are scary. > I'm a fat faggot. :)
Graffur 5y ago
I listen to him on Spotify and this is just incorrect. The use of the word 'spew' indicates you might have an agenda.
- yokoprime 5y ago
  I agree, it's more of a constant undercurrent
- xx511134bz 5y ago
  Drivel is also a giveaway. A social credit score is being erected all around us, yet people complain about "conspiracy theorists", unbelievable! Australia is basically a prison now. Turn on "Show Dead" if you want to see the good comments. Doctor shows how the “COVID-19 vaccine” damages vital organs in the body – see the shocking evidence https://endtimes.video/doctor-covid19-vaccine-dangers/ https://endtimes.video/doctor-covid19-vaccine-dangers/
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president 5y ago
Calling people anti-vax and anti-mask when they clearly aren't is no different from bullying. By the way, there are plenty of scientists from top institutions like Stanford and even Nobel Prize winners who have spoken against many of the mainstream Covid narratives. Not sure how people like you with no medical domain expertise and experience have the gall to question valid concerns from respected doctors and scientists. EDIT: Downvoted for pointing out smearing/bullying and dropping factual information. @dang - is this what HN is about? This has got to change.
sakopov 5y ago
Yeah, to be fair, that never happened. What did happen is him saying that if you're older you should stay home and if you're younger you should be alright with masks, which at the time was the same message that you'd hear in the media.
- TaupeRanger 5y ago
  To be fair, you're just blatantly ignoring huge swaths of his anti-vax diatribes. He recently pointed to a 5 year old paper to suggest that vaccinations are bad because they allow more virulent strains to come about. He previously suggested that if you're "young" you don't need to be vaccinated, which of course his conspiratorial audience ate up and absolutely adored, ignoring any evidence or argument to the contrary.
  - sleavey 5y ago
    > He recently pointed to a 5 year old paper to suggest that vaccinations are bad because they allow more virulent strains to come about. Papers from the 1900s are still our best description of some physical phenomena. A paper's age, taken on its own, has nothing to do with truth or untruth.
complianceowl 5y ago
All of us are right and wrong to varying degrees. I don't think Joe Rogan cares much for people that stop listening because he doesn't reinforce their politics. He never has. He's also spoken about the whole point of him having FU money is that he is able to say whatever he wants and not care about the blowback. I'm not anti-vax, but ultimately, my body, my choice. People who are risk averse are free to self-quarantine for any duration they please. Us, the unvaccinated, are happy to live freely and face any associated risks - just like people who decide to ride motorcycles, play combat sports, or eat homegrown food.
- pertymcpert 5y ago
  Why aren't you vaccinated?
  - likeclockwork 5y ago
    Because he's anti-vax. This is the future where everyone says they're not aligned with whatever idea then does everything they can to promote and propagate that idea. They'll even deny that the idea exists while spreading it as far as they can.
- krastanov 5y ago
  There are plenty of situations in which we as a society have decided that freedoms are curbed to protect the masses. Drunk driving laws for instance. If you are putting people around you at risk, it seems perfectly reasonable to me to require you to stay home, not all the other people who have taken the easy trivial precautions (vaccines and masks) necessary to protect those around them.
  - swader999 5y ago
    Covid vaccinations have only been proven to protect the vaccinated from severe outcomes. They don't prevent infection or re-transmission. There's no valid claim to pushing this on those that don't want them.
S_A_P 5y ago
He’s always been up and down that road. I don’t agree with Joe on a lot of things but I don’t know that is his goal. If there is one thing that I think Joe does reasonably well- its to have you consider your stance and reasons for feeling that way. I think it’s healthy to reflect on why you take stances on things like politics, culture and religion. Joe admits that he is “a cage fighting commentator” and while I think he self labels that way to sometimes get away with fringe viewpoints I do think he genuinely is looking for the best ideas. He’s definitely not infallible and he gets on my nerves to the point I stop listening for periods of time I do think that on balance his hearts in the right place and he is much less apt to blindly follow political doctrine a’la Fox News or CNBC.
- paulcole 5y ago
  > Joe admits that he is “a cage fighting commentator” and while I think he self labels that way to sometimes get away with fringe viewpoints This is the same way John Stewart and Stephen Colbert hid behind, "I'm just a comedian." It's a great strategy if you can pull it off.
  - tinco 5y ago
    You can pull it off if you've got integrity. John Stewart surely has plenty of integrity in my eyes. Joe's definitely also going for integrity, but maybe he's also liable to be pulled into the views of his guests. He certainly keeps an open mind, but if you surround yourself with a certain kind of people at some point you'll develop a bias no matter how open you're trying to be. What's scarier are the persons who for the law are considered entertainment, but conduct themselves on Fox as if they're real journalists, and lie and deceive with impunity. If Joe Rogan could disrupt the right media with that, the same way John and maybe Stephen did on the left side, the world would be a better place for sure.
    - nradov 5y ago
      There is no real legal distinction between entertainers and journalists. The separation of news and editorial content is purely a matter of ethics and not law. Journalists don't have any special statutory privileges.
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timr 5y ago
> his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to I listen to his show sometimes, and while I've heard him have guests on from all sides of these issues, at no point have I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. If that's "drivel", we need more drivel. I'll certainly take it over everything I see on cable news, which is laser-focused on advancing a particular narrative, and demonizing anything and anyone who might deviate from that narrative.
- valine 5y ago
  Giving a platform to crackpots isn't always dangerous, but in the case of vaccines it's a public health concern. It's definitely not a good idea to give legitimacy to antivaxers during a pandemic when people dying. Save that conversation for another time.
  - timr 5y ago
    I am a free speech absolutist. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech, not censorship.
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    - valine 5y ago
      I'm all for free speech in the sense that you have the right to say what you want without retribution from the government. Free speech doesn't mean you have the right to an audience.
      - secondcoming 5y ago
        Looks like your comment is losing its right to an audience
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delaaxe 5y ago
I got tired of the excessive gender pronoun politics bs
edge17 5y ago
If anyone wants a datapoint, I stop listening to podcasts once they go to Spotify. I use Overcast, and generally don't have the wherewithal to chase content. I'm guessing there are more like me. I was an infrequent listener to Joe Rogan, but now I am not a listener at all (because it moved to Spotify). Also, there seems to be a lot of judgement of the kind of person Joe Rogan is (conspiracy, etc) in the comments. I have never once listened to Joe Rogan to listen to Joe Rogan. The fact of the matter is he gets fantastic guests doing long form conversations. I only ever showed up for the guests. Generally also the case for many other podcasts, Lex Friedman, Tim Ferris, etc.... the value they bring is more the guests they attract and the space they create for the guest. I guess it would be interesting to deep fake the voice of the host and see how many people actually cared about the host.
- dexterdog 5y ago
  I'm the same way. I used to listen to Stern on the radio for my morning drive but never considered for a second going satellite when he did. There were plenty of options.
- rednerrus 5y ago
  Same
- mavhc 5y ago
  There's 1000 sane hosts who have the same interesting guests though, don't support the crazy people, we've seen where that leads us
  - jessaustin 5y ago
    Name ten.
    - mavhc 5y ago
      People I mostly admire The Life Scientific Ted Interview How I Built This TWIML This Week in Virology Freakonomics The Changelog And Lex Fridman and Tim Ferris have their own shows
isoskeles 5y ago
The discussion here is really distracting. Came to read thoughts about Joe Rogan, and now it's just people arguing about COVID-19.
- patchorang 5y ago
  Sounds like an episode of joe Rogan.
ajuc 5y ago
I like his choice of guests (high percentage of scientists and interesting people, even if some of them are conspiracy theorists) and that he mostly lets people talk. But I lost a lot of respect for him after his recent MMA commentary. I've never seen such biased commentary in any sport as his in Adesanya vs Blachowicz. It was absurd.
yodsanklai 5y ago
I think he's generally a good interviewer, and I like that he invites people from all sides of the spectrum, if anything, it helps me challenging my own ideas. Also, as a non-american, I feel this is entertaining and give me a glimpse of American culture. That being said, I've lost interested mostly because his guests have been less interesting (lately, mostly his comedian/fighter friends). BTW, anyone has good podcasts in the same vein to recommend?
- upearly3 5y ago
  You might check out Koncrete although there's not as much content.
paxys 5y ago
Exactly this. I used to be a fan of the podcast and have no problem listening to it on Spotify. It just stopped being interesting.
Fomite 5y ago
It also coincided with me canceling my Spotify account.
jgeerts 5y ago
It's hard to listen to recently, he's suggesting working out and eating vitamins instead of a vaccine. He still has an influence on people and he's spreading misinformation. Rogan is against wearing masks but demands all of his guests to be tested for COVID-19 before going on his show which is kind of contradictory.
glonq 5y ago
Yeah, that's about exactly when I stopped listening to him. Listening to him talk shop with other comedians was always entertaining. But "serious" Joe is a whackjob, yes-man, and meat-head.

rapind 5y ago

He was always into the conspiracy stuff, and it was usually pretty light and interesting. The tone and guests definitely changed around the time he moved to Austin (no knock on Austin, I love that place). Politics and stuff I guess. I lost interest too.

wickoff 5y ago
Me too. I think his friend circle became almost entirely right leaning since the move and his viewpoints are no longer balanced. I listen to a few other podcasters who definitely can't called lefties, yet they manage to present things in nuanced and less biased ways. It doesn't seem like a very difficult thing to do, yet he fails at it miserably.

Clubber 5y ago

I don't think that's accurate. Do you have some links or anything to back that up? Like actual transcripts, not some media interpretation. "People say, do you think it's safe to get vaccinated? I've said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do," Rogan said on the podcast. "But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Are you healthy? Are you a healthy person?" "If you're a healthy person, and you're exercising all the time, and you're young, and you're eating well," Rogan continued, "like, I don't think you need to worry about this." If this is what you are referring to, is that really anti-vax?

ta2987 5y ago
Yes.
JxLS-cpgbe0 5y ago
> should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Yes that's anti-vax. We get vaccinated not just to protect ourselves from death, but also to protect those around us by reducing the transmission of disease.
- I_cape_runts 5y ago
  False. The vaccinated can and do transmit the disease. Vaccination only protects you. It doesn’t protect others around you.
  - JxLS-cpgbe0 5y ago
    It reduces the chance of transmission. That's how it protects others... > Vaccination only protects you False. Vaccinated people can still get sick, and vaccination reduces the spread of disease, protecting people that aren't you. http://cdc.org/ http://cdc.org/
    - makomk 5y ago
      Except that all the existing evidence suggests your argument is backwards. Whilst Covid-19 vaccination doesn't provide full protection for either the vaccinated or those around them, it seems to be much more effective at protecting the person being vaccinated against severe symptoms, hospitalization and death than it does at stopping them catching and spreading the virus to others. As far as I can tell, literally the only reason vaccination is primarily framed as a way of protecting others is because that framing fits better into left-wing politics; it has nothing to do with the actual evidence.
      - Clubber 5y ago
        According to the CDC, each vaccine efficacy at preventing the recipient from catching the virus. To your point they also reduces severity of symptoms. Looks like the J&J one ain't that great at prevention. Based on evidence from clinical trials in people 16 years and older, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 95% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed infection with the virus that causes COVID-19 in people who received two doses and had no evidence of being previously infected. Based on evidence from clinical trials, in people aged 18 years and older, the Moderna vaccine was 94.1% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infection in people who received two doses and had no evidence of being previously infected. The J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine was 66.3% effective in clinical trials (efficacy) at preventing laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infection in people who received the vaccine and had no evidence of being previously infected. People had the most protection 2 weeks after getting vaccinated. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different...
reanimus 5y ago
Yeah, it is! People thinking they don't need the vaccine are contracting COVID and acting like human petri dishes for new variants to arise from. It's also ignoring the reality of COVID aftereffects (like parosmia) that affect young people who recover too.
- clipradiowallet 5y ago
  How do you come to that conclusion? Specifically your conflusion that Joe Rogan is "anti-vax" from your sample of him replying "I'll go no". If that's all it takes for you to label someone, is someone saying "I'll go no" to a homosexual encounter also anti-gay? Is someone who doesn't agree with their governments policy anti-government? Might want to relax a bit...I hear opinions are like certain body parts. We've all got them, including Joe Rogan, and getting up in arms about it doesn't help you or anyone else.
kelnos 5y ago
I don't know anything about what Rogan has said about vaccinations (I'm not the parent you're replying to), but I still think this is a very disappointing, dangerously misinformed take on his part. He's flat-out wrong; if you're 21, generally healthy, exercising, etc., you absolutely should get the vaccine. Also note that at first glance what he says sounds reasonable. He's not the frothing-at-the-mouth anti-vaxxer spouting garbage about vaccines containing tracking chips, or part of the idiot crowd decrying vaccination as somehow an affront to their liberty. He's saying something reasoned, in a presumably calm manner, and that will push even reasonable people believe it, even though he is completely wrong. These takes encourage people to only think about themselves. Even if a young, generally healthy (unvaccinated) person is unlikely to get sick (or worse), they could still very easily end up an asymptomatic carrier, and give it to someone who isn't in such great shape. Beyond that, an unvaccinated host is also a great place for the virus to mutate and spread, prolonging the pandemic for everyone. Everyone who is eligible and medically able needs to get vaccinated. I'm getting super tired of all this garbage; the US has had the vaccine supply and capability to be out of the pandemic by now, but the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing.
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- sleavey 5y ago
  > the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing. I'm curious as to what evidence you base that assertion on. Respectfully, can you explain your position there?
- timr 5y ago
  > He's flat-out wrong; if you're 21, generally healthy, exercising, etc., you absolutely should get the vaccine. While I generally agree with you, this is an opinion, not an unquestionable fact. Especially as we're seeing elevated risk of myocarditis in young men, there's absolutely a legitimate debate here. I don't necessarily think Rogan is the one advancing that debate, but presenting opinions as facts is not helping anyone.
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crazygringo 5y ago
Of course that's anti-vax. The main purpose of getting the vaccine isn't just to protect yourself -- it's to reduce the chances of you transmitting it to others. It's about herd immunity, not personal immunity. Whether you're young and healthy is irrelevant.
- ostenning 5y ago
  Herd immunity is not possible with our current vaccines[1], which means that coronavirus will continue to propagate through society whether you decide to get vaccinated or not. You can make the argument that getting vaccinated reduces the risk of you being hospitalized, which keeps a bed and a nurse available for someone else. Thats a much more valid argument to make. [1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2 Edit: for those downvoting me, I’ve added a reference for more information
  - TigeriusKirk 5y ago
    >Herd immunity is not possible with our current vaccines, which means that coronavirus will continue to propagate through society This is my understanding as well, which was why I decided to get vaccinated. If avoiding infection is impossible in the long run, I should help my immune system prepare for it. I wonder how differently things would be going if the campaign was "Covid is here to stay. You will get it. Get vaccinated." Maybe it would help, maybe not.
    - Clubber 5y ago
      >I wonder how differently things would be going if the campaign was "Covid is here to stay. You will get it. Get vaccinated." I actually heard someone say that today, but I don't remember where. Maybe Breaking Points, but not sure. I was certainly rattled when I saw amateur video of hospital workers stacking bodies in a freezer truck in NYC. They should do more like that. As morbid as it is, it gets the point across. https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/disturbing-footage-shows-dead-bodies-loaded-onto-truck-outside-brooklyn-hospital/ https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/disturbing-footage-shows-dead-... This wasn't the one I saw but you get the idea.

klaudius 5y ago

I suggest you read the book "Virus Mania" for a more skeptical look on epidemics, masks and vaccines.

technothrasher 5y ago
That book is as far from "skeptical" as you can get. Denying the very existence of viruses is not skeptical, it's credulity.

tyleo 5y ago

This has been my experience as well. Another commenter mentioned this but I also feel like guests have been less interesting since the move to Austin. I used to be a daily listener now I feel like it can be months between interesting episodes.

asdff 5y ago
Easier to find someone available to drive to a studio in LA than to have them fly out of LAX to Austin.

fatcoward 5y ago

> Look at me. I'm a fat coward who gets upset when people say I should lose weight instead of wearing a mask and getting a vaccine. > Ooooh boy I can't wait to get my Fellas (YC 2021) pills so I can lose all this fat off of my back. Teehee. > Don't forget, we should also all eat soy/tofu and ban guns. :) Guns are scary. > I'm a fat faggot. :)

Graffur 5y ago

I listen to him on Spotify and this is just incorrect. The use of the word 'spew' indicates you might have an agenda.

yokoprime 5y ago
I agree, it's more of a constant undercurrent
xx511134bz 5y ago
Drivel is also a giveaway. A social credit score is being erected all around us, yet people complain about "conspiracy theorists", unbelievable! Australia is basically a prison now. Turn on "Show Dead" if you want to see the good comments. Doctor shows how the “COVID-19 vaccine” damages vital organs in the body – see the shocking evidence https://endtimes.video/doctor-covid19-vaccine-dangers/ https://endtimes.video/doctor-covid19-vaccine-dangers/

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president 5y ago

Calling people anti-vax and anti-mask when they clearly aren't is no different from bullying. By the way, there are plenty of scientists from top institutions like Stanford and even Nobel Prize winners who have spoken against many of the mainstream Covid narratives. Not sure how people like you with no medical domain expertise and experience have the gall to question valid concerns from respected doctors and scientists. EDIT: Downvoted for pointing out smearing/bullying and dropping factual information. @dang - is this what HN is about? This has got to change.

sakopov 5y ago

Yeah, to be fair, that never happened. What did happen is him saying that if you're older you should stay home and if you're younger you should be alright with masks, which at the time was the same message that you'd hear in the media.

TaupeRanger 5y ago
To be fair, you're just blatantly ignoring huge swaths of his anti-vax diatribes. He recently pointed to a 5 year old paper to suggest that vaccinations are bad because they allow more virulent strains to come about. He previously suggested that if you're "young" you don't need to be vaccinated, which of course his conspiratorial audience ate up and absolutely adored, ignoring any evidence or argument to the contrary.
- sleavey 5y ago
  > He recently pointed to a 5 year old paper to suggest that vaccinations are bad because they allow more virulent strains to come about. Papers from the 1900s are still our best description of some physical phenomena. A paper's age, taken on its own, has nothing to do with truth or untruth.

complianceowl 5y ago

All of us are right and wrong to varying degrees. I don't think Joe Rogan cares much for people that stop listening because he doesn't reinforce their politics. He never has. He's also spoken about the whole point of him having FU money is that he is able to say whatever he wants and not care about the blowback. I'm not anti-vax, but ultimately, my body, my choice. People who are risk averse are free to self-quarantine for any duration they please. Us, the unvaccinated, are happy to live freely and face any associated risks - just like people who decide to ride motorcycles, play combat sports, or eat homegrown food.

pertymcpert 5y ago
Why aren't you vaccinated?
- likeclockwork 5y ago
  Because he's anti-vax. This is the future where everyone says they're not aligned with whatever idea then does everything they can to promote and propagate that idea. They'll even deny that the idea exists while spreading it as far as they can.
krastanov 5y ago
There are plenty of situations in which we as a society have decided that freedoms are curbed to protect the masses. Drunk driving laws for instance. If you are putting people around you at risk, it seems perfectly reasonable to me to require you to stay home, not all the other people who have taken the easy trivial precautions (vaccines and masks) necessary to protect those around them.
- swader999 5y ago
  Covid vaccinations have only been proven to protect the vaccinated from severe outcomes. They don't prevent infection or re-transmission. There's no valid claim to pushing this on those that don't want them.

S_A_P 5y ago

He’s always been up and down that road. I don’t agree with Joe on a lot of things but I don’t know that is his goal. If there is one thing that I think Joe does reasonably well- its to have you consider your stance and reasons for feeling that way. I think it’s healthy to reflect on why you take stances on things like politics, culture and religion. Joe admits that he is “a cage fighting commentator” and while I think he self labels that way to sometimes get away with fringe viewpoints I do think he genuinely is looking for the best ideas. He’s definitely not infallible and he gets on my nerves to the point I stop listening for periods of time I do think that on balance his hearts in the right place and he is much less apt to blindly follow political doctrine a’la Fox News or CNBC.

paulcole 5y ago
> Joe admits that he is “a cage fighting commentator” and while I think he self labels that way to sometimes get away with fringe viewpoints This is the same way John Stewart and Stephen Colbert hid behind, "I'm just a comedian." It's a great strategy if you can pull it off.
- tinco 5y ago
  You can pull it off if you've got integrity. John Stewart surely has plenty of integrity in my eyes. Joe's definitely also going for integrity, but maybe he's also liable to be pulled into the views of his guests. He certainly keeps an open mind, but if you surround yourself with a certain kind of people at some point you'll develop a bias no matter how open you're trying to be. What's scarier are the persons who for the law are considered entertainment, but conduct themselves on Fox as if they're real journalists, and lie and deceive with impunity. If Joe Rogan could disrupt the right media with that, the same way John and maybe Stephen did on the left side, the world would be a better place for sure.
  - nradov 5y ago
    There is no real legal distinction between entertainers and journalists. The separation of news and editorial content is purely a matter of ethics and not law. Journalists don't have any special statutory privileges.

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timr 5y ago

> his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to I listen to his show sometimes, and while I've heard him have guests on from all sides of these issues, at no point have I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. If that's "drivel", we need more drivel. I'll certainly take it over everything I see on cable news, which is laser-focused on advancing a particular narrative, and demonizing anything and anyone who might deviate from that narrative.

valine 5y ago
Giving a platform to crackpots isn't always dangerous, but in the case of vaccines it's a public health concern. It's definitely not a good idea to give legitimacy to antivaxers during a pandemic when people dying. Save that conversation for another time.
- timr 5y ago
  I am a free speech absolutist. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech, not censorship.
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  - valine 5y ago
    I'm all for free speech in the sense that you have the right to say what you want without retribution from the government. Free speech doesn't mean you have the right to an audience.
    - secondcoming 5y ago
      Looks like your comment is losing its right to an audience
      - valine 5y ago

delaaxe 5y ago

I got tired of the excessive gender pronoun politics bs

edge17 5y ago

If anyone wants a datapoint, I stop listening to podcasts once they go to Spotify. I use Overcast, and generally don't have the wherewithal to chase content. I'm guessing there are more like me. I was an infrequent listener to Joe Rogan, but now I am not a listener at all (because it moved to Spotify). Also, there seems to be a lot of judgement of the kind of person Joe Rogan is (conspiracy, etc) in the comments. I have never once listened to Joe Rogan to listen to Joe Rogan. The fact of the matter is he gets fantastic guests doing long form conversations. I only ever showed up for the guests. Generally also the case for many other podcasts, Lex Friedman, Tim Ferris, etc.... the value they bring is more the guests they attract and the space they create for the guest. I guess it would be interesting to deep fake the voice of the host and see how many people actually cared about the host.

dexterdog 5y ago
I'm the same way. I used to listen to Stern on the radio for my morning drive but never considered for a second going satellite when he did. There were plenty of options.
rednerrus 5y ago
Same
mavhc 5y ago
There's 1000 sane hosts who have the same interesting guests though, don't support the crazy people, we've seen where that leads us
- jessaustin 5y ago
  Name ten.
  - mavhc 5y ago
    People I mostly admire The Life Scientific Ted Interview How I Built This TWIML This Week in Virology Freakonomics The Changelog And Lex Fridman and Tim Ferris have their own shows

isoskeles 5y ago

The discussion here is really distracting. Came to read thoughts about Joe Rogan, and now it's just people arguing about COVID-19.

patchorang 5y ago
Sounds like an episode of joe Rogan.

ajuc 5y ago

I like his choice of guests (high percentage of scientists and interesting people, even if some of them are conspiracy theorists) and that he mostly lets people talk. But I lost a lot of respect for him after his recent MMA commentary. I've never seen such biased commentary in any sport as his in Adesanya vs Blachowicz. It was absurd.

yodsanklai 5y ago

I think he's generally a good interviewer, and I like that he invites people from all sides of the spectrum, if anything, it helps me challenging my own ideas. Also, as a non-american, I feel this is entertaining and give me a glimpse of American culture. That being said, I've lost interested mostly because his guests have been less interesting (lately, mostly his comedian/fighter friends). BTW, anyone has good podcasts in the same vein to recommend?

upearly3 5y ago
You might check out Koncrete although there's not as much content.

paxys 5y ago

Exactly this. I used to be a fan of the podcast and have no problem listening to it on Spotify. It just stopped being interesting.

Fomite 5y ago

It also coincided with me canceling my Spotify account.

jgeerts 5y ago

It's hard to listen to recently, he's suggesting working out and eating vitamins instead of a vaccine. He still has an influence on people and he's spreading misinformation. Rogan is against wearing masks but demands all of his guests to be tested for COVID-19 before going on his show which is kind of contradictory.

glonq 5y ago

Yeah, that's about exactly when I stopped listening to him. Listening to him talk shop with other comedians was always entertaining. But "serious" Joe is a whackjob, yes-man, and meat-head.