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it's pretty huge COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. There's huge groups that are/were unemployed and then there's huge groups who are sexually

it's pretty huge COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. There's huge groups that are/were unemployed and then there's huge groups who are sexually repressed due to quarantine. Across the whole world, too*. Many can easily make more than min wage, and in certain niches you probably don't even have to be 'conventionally beautiful' (sorry to use this term, but it's important I think) to make a living or solid portion of a living on there. For $$ per hour worked, why would they field low wage, menial jobs with a risk of COVID? And if you price model right, you don't need thousands of fans, just a couple really dedicated superfans/whales. * Consider the value of dollars/euros/pounds in poorer countries!

treesknees 5y ago
Bhad Bhabie (cash me outside meme girl) made over $1M in 6 hours and said she could retire right now from the amount of money she has made off OF. And she's not doing "porn" or even posting fully nude photos. There's a big movement to gain a lot of followers on social media like TikTok and then redirect those followers to their $5/month OnlyFans. There are a lot of people making a living or at least significantly boosting their income from this model, and they don't have to leave the house to do it. https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/9550662/bhad-bhabie-earns-1-million-dollars-onlyfans https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/9550662/b...
- ed25519FUUU 5y ago
  OF is probably similar to Etsy, where the 95th percentile make millions and the median income is $0.
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  - dwater 5y ago
    I have an acquaintance who I know made ~$1500 in 2 weeks, just after work occasionally. She had been on the site already, the only reason I know the amount made during that time is she did it as a fundraiser and donated it all to a non-profit. I'm sure it's a distribution with a long tail, but I think it's probably easier to have a side gig on OF provide you with a little supplemental income rather than Etsy.
  - Sohcahtoa82 5y ago
    Twitch is certainly that way as well. The median viewer count is likely single digits. Though I can say with considerable certainty that a lot of wannabe Twitch streamers think that being a streamer just means having people watch you play a game, which may be true for story-driven games that don't get a lot of viewers, since it creates a more movie-like experience, and may be true for highly-competitive games where you can watch someone make amazing plays. But for the rest, you need to have the charisma and creativity to create entertaining commentary and audience interaction. Nobody wants to watch an average Joe play World of Warcraft.
    - kd5bjo 5y ago
      In the Justin.tv days, the median viewer count was zero: At any given time, 2/3 of the live channels had literally nobody watching.
      - Anther 5y ago
        I was proud of my JTV channel. I actually used to vlog and chat to people. They regularly featured me too. I wonder how much I could have made in today’s market..
  - toyg 5y ago
    that's just the web for you, really. 95 percentile is FAANG and friends, median income is peanuts.
  - redisman 5y ago
    Every “social” or user generated platform is like that. Handful of people make serious money, then a small middle class and 90% are just trying to chase their dream while making <$100 a month
    - SilverRed 5y ago
      I'd say the average user puts in next to no effort though. I'd be more interested in the average profit per hour spent working on the platform.
  - munk-a 5y ago
    OF is significantly different from other social media in that the adult market has a lot of really weird market factors that make even new market participants able to access significant revenue. Most OF people aren't making 10 million, but it's better to compare OF to patreon where most small users are still pulling in a few hundred dollars a month at least - and that's a pretty significant amount if you've graduated from school into a pandemic market.
    - disruptthelaw 5y ago
      I also wonder if OF customers prefer paying girls who have less fans. This allows the person paying to have more personal interaction and to have more influence/control over the girl for less money. So market forces therefore would drive a long tail
    - nostrebored 5y ago
      The median estimated OF income is $180.
  - oblio 5y ago
    Taleb -> Extremistan. It's super toxic for society since it's literally "winner takes all".
- randycupertino 5y ago
  I can't speak to Bhad Bhabie's Only Fans, but I will say her song Gucci Flipflops is a good jam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsp7IOr7Q9A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsp7IOr7Q9A
- Strom 5y ago
  The top earners on OnlyFans make a lot of money indeed. There was recently a great interview with Amouranth [1] where she talked about her work. Making $1.4 million per month and growing, has 4 employees, outsources every chore she can, posts content on all the social media platforms, and grinds 12 hour days on Twitch. [2] Doesn't spend most of the money, is learning about and trying out investments. Interestingly she doesn't think that this type of top-heavy earnings situation will be sustainable, that the revenue will be more evenly distributed in the future. Even so, she considers her biggest competition to not be up-and-coming people, but instead existing influencers who might bring their audience to OnlyFans. Definitely not a common success story, but it's pretty interesting how it is possible to have insane success when applying well-reasoned growth strategies and keeping up the grind. -- [1] https://investmenttalk.substack.com/p/confessions-of-an-onlyfans-creator-760 https://investmenttalk.substack.com/p/confessions-of-an-only... [2] In the linked interview she still says 8 hours for Twitch, but she has stepped it up since June.
acituan 5y ago
> COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard Aren’t women over-represented on the supply side while men on the demand side though? I don’t think gen-z as a wholesale cohort makes sense.
- watwut 5y ago
  Women are also overrepresented on the side of loosing job. Mostly artly because women work in segments that were hit harder - services and the like. And partly because childcare is more on them, mothers were even more likely to loose jobs.
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throwaway0a5e 5y ago
>For $$ per hour worked, why would they field low wage, menial jobs with a risk of COVID? Because after shit pay being the desk girl at Walmart Tire Center for 2yr you can easily convert that into a service writer job <fast forward 40yr> and then retire from your job as regional support manager for <company that makes industrial doodad> Compare with thotting around on the internet where you can make a ton of money up front but you're basically racing the clock because your body won't be nearly as lucrative of an income at 30 and you'll be starting from square one-ish. Can you potentially take the cash and pivot into a career that will carry you to retirement? Sure, but it takes a work ethic and level of discipline that is uncommon. It's like the female equivalent of being a marine rifleman for several enlistments. You get out at ~30 with few marketable skills, hopefully a good work ethic and a high liklihood of f-ed up knees.
- pope_meat 5y ago
  That's too many regional managers, I don't think the economy will support that.
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    The economy won't support that many Walmart Tire Centers either. That was just an example. My point was that there are paths from these "crap jobs" to "real career" and traveling said paths require about the same level of "how do I tee up my next move for more money" long term thinking as being a successful camgirl.
  - engineer_22 5y ago
    A growing economy can support more managers in the future. A stagnant economy will not.
    - pope_meat 5y ago
      Ah, the old forever growth strategy. You float the idea of perpetual growth in any other context, and you'd be called a fool, but apparently the economy doesn't obey the same rules of common sense. Well, I hope you're right.
notyourday 5y ago
> For $$ per hour worked, why would they field low wage, menial jobs with a risk of COVID? Median OF revenue per creator is $180/mo for equivalent of a full time job. https://sea.mashable.com/culture/17130/top-onlyfans-creators-can-earn-nearly-27000-more-than-doctors-survey-finds#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20the%20typical%20OnlyFans,by%20creators%20such%20as%20gem101 https://sea.mashable.com/culture/17130/top-onlyfans-creators....
- enedil 5y ago
  Which is around the minimal wage in places such as Ukraine (which isn't the ultimate low either).
- dijit 5y ago
  > Median OF revenue per creator is $180/mo Many factors can lead to this, but that's not surprising, the law of distributions when it comes to things like this is that there are incredible earners and then a massive drop off and long tail. > for equivalent of a full time job. You added this, I don't doubt that some people put in a lot more effort than the monetary amount they get back- but the inverse is also true and no source claims that "you get $180 for a full time workload", because that's impossible to measure at scale.
- mzs 5y ago
  FWIW that's an average not median income with a ton of caveats ^ from the source. I'm confident though that only the first two screens of OF content creators make the bulk of the income though. ^ https://mrq.com/blog/only-fans https://mrq.com/blog/only-fans > https://ranking-fans.com/ https://ranking-fans.com/ - Seedlist and Fans Sorted by total fans; accounts where fans are not available have been excluded. Many accounts listed as having the most fans are free accounts used by OnlyFans models who also possess paid accounts. However, as fan numbers were only available for the free accounts, these have been disregarded for the purposes of this story. Likewise, "free" accounts where subscription is free but photos provided required payment have been disregarded. Accordingly, the only data shown is for paid accounts with high subscriber numbers. In some cases, models possessed multiple paid accounts. In these cases, only the one with the highest subscriber numbers has been tracked. Monthly earnings are based exclusively on the individual account assuming no media requires additional payment and disregarding tips and similar voluntary costs. Similarly, free trials and discounts have been excluded. Accordingly, all monthly earnings are estimates reflecting the monthly payments of subscribers over the long term.
pelasaco 5y ago
In Germany, all Craftsmen are just laughing. Tiler, Carpenter, electrician, etc.. all of them have enough to do, can choose their clients and their wages. I understand that HN always will tend to talk about CS, but Craftsmen are doing their 40k/year, easily. The Salary potential is just increasing.
- lugged 5y ago
  You know Devs can relatively easily get around 250k in NY / SF right? Trades are solid career choices but it's hard work and you expire at about the same rate as a software dev.
  - laputan_machine 5y ago
    So sick of seeing these wildly inflated numbers, they increase after every post I'm sure. Most of us here who are software devs are not earning close to 150k, stop using a few SF salaries as the baseline for the rest of us. It is really annoying.
    - Ancapistani 5y ago
      I don’t know the breakdown, but I’m a (remote) dev in Arkansas making right at $150k with ~10 years experience. The numbers aren’t inflated, they’re just not equally distributed.
    - raztogt21 5y ago
      Is easily doable have 2 100k jobs without burnout. Do you really spend 8 hours coding each day?
    - dlp211 5y ago
      Ok, so let's not use inflated Numbers for the trades either. According to the BLS, the median Software Developer makes $110k. The median carpenter makes $34k. There are also nearly 5x the number of Developer jobs then carpenters. It's a similar story for other trades, machinist is $47k, welder is $44k, plumber is $56k, HVAC is $50k. Then when we look at other technology jobs, PM, IT, etc, the story is similar to developers, high median salary with a multiple of jobs available over the trades.
ronnier 5y ago
> huge groups who are sexually repressed Men I assume given the amounts of money they’ll spend on OF and the m/f ratios on dating apps?
bobthechef 5y ago
> COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. Gen-Z is less sexually active than previous generations. Significantly so. They've been exposed to porn at an earlier age (owing to earlier access to the internet and the ubiquity of pornography online). Porn use was already common among them. The lockdown made things worse, but the status quo was already in place. > There's huge groups that are/were unemployed and then there's huge groups who are sexually repressed due to quarantine. This false anthropology must die. Pornography is incredibly harmful to those that consume it. It enslaves a person to his passions. It feeds his lusts and deranges his desires. It makes him or her incapable of relating to the opposite sex in a healthy way, whether in the strictly sexual sphere or not. Lust blunts the mind and renders one incapable of thinking clearly. The consumption of pornography only feeds the sexual passions, further entrenching lust and often generating paraphilias and fetishes as the titillating novelty wears off. Emotions become disordered. Someone who has a porn habit becomes locked in him or herself. The stereotype of a lonely and smarmy 40 year old locked in his parents' basement masturbating to porn is a pithy illustration in many ways. It is the image of an emasculated, impotent wretch deranged by his vices and disorders. This has nothing to do with his lack of a sexual relationship and everything to do with how he views sexuality. He is not master of himself. Frankly, we'd be better off permitting (regulated) prostitution. There seem to be plenty of women willing to provide these services and plenty of men who are slaves to their lusts (men tend to be more vulnerable to porn addiction and lust than women, but yes, it is true that it is not a problem exclusive to men). At least with prostitution, you're having sex with a human being instead of abusing yourself alone in your room. But ultimately, our view of sexuality must be restored to a healthy one and not the depraved one proposed by liberalism. I suspect the "asexual movement" is a subconscious reaction against the obsession with sex in our society. Excess in one direction tends to produce excess in the other. But maybe it will at least legitimize celibacy again. You don't need sex to have a happy life, contrary to the propaganda of the last few decades or so. I will add that porn use is an industry fueled both by a corrupt society and people in power who recognize that those who are slaves to their passions (and lust is but one of them) are easy to control. Oligarchies are prone to let such vices flourish because it keeps the populace impotent and consumed with themselves instead of threatening the usurpers who have managed to gain tyrannical control. Porn appeals to prurient interest which is why it is so useful in psychological warfare (a rather stark example is the broadcasting of porn on captured Palestinian television by the Israelis; you think they were trying to liberate them?). Sexual liberation has made people easier to control. It has truncated their humanity, warped them, and turned them into sex robots.
polote 5y ago
The success of OF is more a question of demand than offer honestly. During the lockdowns they were a lot of guys with money to spend but could not spend it on social activities, so a lot of it went on internet websites. But there is also a more long term trend of people having less and less sex and more and more porno consumption. But that can't go forever, at one point if all girls in the world are on sex workers then they will be much more offer than demand. A girl on OF, to make a living, let's say 3k per month, needs to have 300 guys paying for her. But a guy is not paying for 300 girls, maybe 10 max, so the platform needs to have 30 times more guys than girls. Which is unsustainable in a world with 50% girls/50% guys. Which is a good news imho. The day that having sex for girls is a normal thing (No this is not normal thing today). Then a lot of things will be much simpler for everyone
- handmodel 5y ago
  I would love to see their metrics. I would imagine, like most things, they have a ton of whales so that even if a minority of guys subscribe to 50 girls there probably are plenty of people with addictions shelling out $500 or $1000 a month on this stuff. And this people could represent the majority of all payments on the site. It also seems (from actual published data) that the distribution is super weighted towards the top performers. That being said, even an extra 1k a month is pretty sick for posting topless photos if your regular income is less than 40k or you are in school.
  - _dark_matter_ 5y ago
    everthing is a pareto distribution, across both buyers and sellers. Would be neat to see a better breakdown though.
- caractacus 5y ago
  A long-term trend of less sex and more porno? Could you show some stats on this? I only question that line because I can't even deal with the rest of your post.
  - polote 5y ago
vncecartersknee 5y ago
I don't think just any old person can make money off OF though, like presumably you need a reasonable camera and maybe lights or something, you need to be able to edit photos, the time and energy and motivation to learn how to use those things etc. It's not like some random struggling single mother can take a few pics of her feet on her 5 year old iphone and be expecting to make decent money.

treesknees 5y ago

Bhad Bhabie (cash me outside meme girl) made over $1M in 6 hours and said she could retire right now from the amount of money she has made off OF. And she's not doing "porn" or even posting fully nude photos. There's a big movement to gain a lot of followers on social media like TikTok and then redirect those followers to their $5/month OnlyFans. There are a lot of people making a living or at least significantly boosting their income from this model, and they don't have to leave the house to do it. https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/9550662/bhad-bhabie-earns-1-million-dollars-onlyfans https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/9550662/b...

ed25519FUUU 5y ago
OF is probably similar to Etsy, where the 95th percentile make millions and the median income is $0.
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- dwater 5y ago
  I have an acquaintance who I know made ~$1500 in 2 weeks, just after work occasionally. She had been on the site already, the only reason I know the amount made during that time is she did it as a fundraiser and donated it all to a non-profit. I'm sure it's a distribution with a long tail, but I think it's probably easier to have a side gig on OF provide you with a little supplemental income rather than Etsy.
- Sohcahtoa82 5y ago
  Twitch is certainly that way as well. The median viewer count is likely single digits. Though I can say with considerable certainty that a lot of wannabe Twitch streamers think that being a streamer just means having people watch you play a game, which may be true for story-driven games that don't get a lot of viewers, since it creates a more movie-like experience, and may be true for highly-competitive games where you can watch someone make amazing plays. But for the rest, you need to have the charisma and creativity to create entertaining commentary and audience interaction. Nobody wants to watch an average Joe play World of Warcraft.
  - kd5bjo 5y ago
    In the Justin.tv days, the median viewer count was zero: At any given time, 2/3 of the live channels had literally nobody watching.
    - Anther 5y ago
      I was proud of my JTV channel. I actually used to vlog and chat to people. They regularly featured me too. I wonder how much I could have made in today’s market..
- toyg 5y ago
  that's just the web for you, really. 95 percentile is FAANG and friends, median income is peanuts.
- redisman 5y ago
  Every “social” or user generated platform is like that. Handful of people make serious money, then a small middle class and 90% are just trying to chase their dream while making <$100 a month
  - SilverRed 5y ago
    I'd say the average user puts in next to no effort though. I'd be more interested in the average profit per hour spent working on the platform.
- munk-a 5y ago
  OF is significantly different from other social media in that the adult market has a lot of really weird market factors that make even new market participants able to access significant revenue. Most OF people aren't making 10 million, but it's better to compare OF to patreon where most small users are still pulling in a few hundred dollars a month at least - and that's a pretty significant amount if you've graduated from school into a pandemic market.
  - disruptthelaw 5y ago
    I also wonder if OF customers prefer paying girls who have less fans. This allows the person paying to have more personal interaction and to have more influence/control over the girl for less money. So market forces therefore would drive a long tail
  - nostrebored 5y ago
    The median estimated OF income is $180.
- oblio 5y ago
  Taleb -> Extremistan. It's super toxic for society since it's literally "winner takes all".
randycupertino 5y ago
I can't speak to Bhad Bhabie's Only Fans, but I will say her song Gucci Flipflops is a good jam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsp7IOr7Q9A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsp7IOr7Q9A
Strom 5y ago
The top earners on OnlyFans make a lot of money indeed. There was recently a great interview with Amouranth [1] where she talked about her work. Making $1.4 million per month and growing, has 4 employees, outsources every chore she can, posts content on all the social media platforms, and grinds 12 hour days on Twitch. [2] Doesn't spend most of the money, is learning about and trying out investments. Interestingly she doesn't think that this type of top-heavy earnings situation will be sustainable, that the revenue will be more evenly distributed in the future. Even so, she considers her biggest competition to not be up-and-coming people, but instead existing influencers who might bring their audience to OnlyFans. Definitely not a common success story, but it's pretty interesting how it is possible to have insane success when applying well-reasoned growth strategies and keeping up the grind. -- [1] https://investmenttalk.substack.com/p/confessions-of-an-onlyfans-creator-760 https://investmenttalk.substack.com/p/confessions-of-an-only... [2] In the linked interview she still says 8 hours for Twitch, but she has stepped it up since June.

acituan 5y ago

> COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard Aren’t women over-represented on the supply side while men on the demand side though? I don’t think gen-z as a wholesale cohort makes sense.

watwut 5y ago
Women are also overrepresented on the side of loosing job. Mostly artly because women work in segments that were hit harder - services and the like. And partly because childcare is more on them, mothers were even more likely to loose jobs.
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throwaway0a5e 5y ago

>For $$ per hour worked, why would they field low wage, menial jobs with a risk of COVID? Because after shit pay being the desk girl at Walmart Tire Center for 2yr you can easily convert that into a service writer job <fast forward 40yr> and then retire from your job as regional support manager for <company that makes industrial doodad> Compare with thotting around on the internet where you can make a ton of money up front but you're basically racing the clock because your body won't be nearly as lucrative of an income at 30 and you'll be starting from square one-ish. Can you potentially take the cash and pivot into a career that will carry you to retirement? Sure, but it takes a work ethic and level of discipline that is uncommon. It's like the female equivalent of being a marine rifleman for several enlistments. You get out at ~30 with few marketable skills, hopefully a good work ethic and a high liklihood of f-ed up knees.

pope_meat 5y ago
That's too many regional managers, I don't think the economy will support that.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  The economy won't support that many Walmart Tire Centers either. That was just an example. My point was that there are paths from these "crap jobs" to "real career" and traveling said paths require about the same level of "how do I tee up my next move for more money" long term thinking as being a successful camgirl.
- engineer_22 5y ago
  A growing economy can support more managers in the future. A stagnant economy will not.
  - pope_meat 5y ago
    Ah, the old forever growth strategy. You float the idea of perpetual growth in any other context, and you'd be called a fool, but apparently the economy doesn't obey the same rules of common sense. Well, I hope you're right.

notyourday 5y ago

> For $$ per hour worked, why would they field low wage, menial jobs with a risk of COVID? Median OF revenue per creator is $180/mo for equivalent of a full time job. https://sea.mashable.com/culture/17130/top-onlyfans-creators-can-earn-nearly-27000-more-than-doctors-survey-finds#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20the%20typical%20OnlyFans,by%20creators%20such%20as%20gem101 https://sea.mashable.com/culture/17130/top-onlyfans-creators....

enedil 5y ago
Which is around the minimal wage in places such as Ukraine (which isn't the ultimate low either).
dijit 5y ago
> Median OF revenue per creator is $180/mo Many factors can lead to this, but that's not surprising, the law of distributions when it comes to things like this is that there are incredible earners and then a massive drop off and long tail. > for equivalent of a full time job. You added this, I don't doubt that some people put in a lot more effort than the monetary amount they get back- but the inverse is also true and no source claims that "you get $180 for a full time workload", because that's impossible to measure at scale.
mzs 5y ago
FWIW that's an average not median income with a ton of caveats ^ from the source. I'm confident though that only the first two screens of OF content creators make the bulk of the income though. ^ https://mrq.com/blog/only-fans https://mrq.com/blog/only-fans > https://ranking-fans.com/ https://ranking-fans.com/ - Seedlist and Fans Sorted by total fans; accounts where fans are not available have been excluded. Many accounts listed as having the most fans are free accounts used by OnlyFans models who also possess paid accounts. However, as fan numbers were only available for the free accounts, these have been disregarded for the purposes of this story. Likewise, "free" accounts where subscription is free but photos provided required payment have been disregarded. Accordingly, the only data shown is for paid accounts with high subscriber numbers. In some cases, models possessed multiple paid accounts. In these cases, only the one with the highest subscriber numbers has been tracked. Monthly earnings are based exclusively on the individual account assuming no media requires additional payment and disregarding tips and similar voluntary costs. Similarly, free trials and discounts have been excluded. Accordingly, all monthly earnings are estimates reflecting the monthly payments of subscribers over the long term.

pelasaco 5y ago

In Germany, all Craftsmen are just laughing. Tiler, Carpenter, electrician, etc.. all of them have enough to do, can choose their clients and their wages. I understand that HN always will tend to talk about CS, but Craftsmen are doing their 40k/year, easily. The Salary potential is just increasing.

lugged 5y ago
You know Devs can relatively easily get around 250k in NY / SF right? Trades are solid career choices but it's hard work and you expire at about the same rate as a software dev.
- laputan_machine 5y ago
  So sick of seeing these wildly inflated numbers, they increase after every post I'm sure. Most of us here who are software devs are not earning close to 150k, stop using a few SF salaries as the baseline for the rest of us. It is really annoying.
  - Ancapistani 5y ago
    I don’t know the breakdown, but I’m a (remote) dev in Arkansas making right at $150k with ~10 years experience. The numbers aren’t inflated, they’re just not equally distributed.
  - raztogt21 5y ago
    Is easily doable have 2 100k jobs without burnout. Do you really spend 8 hours coding each day?
  - dlp211 5y ago
    Ok, so let's not use inflated Numbers for the trades either. According to the BLS, the median Software Developer makes $110k. The median carpenter makes $34k. There are also nearly 5x the number of Developer jobs then carpenters. It's a similar story for other trades, machinist is $47k, welder is $44k, plumber is $56k, HVAC is $50k. Then when we look at other technology jobs, PM, IT, etc, the story is similar to developers, high median salary with a multiple of jobs available over the trades.

ronnier 5y ago

> huge groups who are sexually repressed Men I assume given the amounts of money they’ll spend on OF and the m/f ratios on dating apps?

bobthechef 5y ago

> COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. Gen-Z is less sexually active than previous generations. Significantly so. They've been exposed to porn at an earlier age (owing to earlier access to the internet and the ubiquity of pornography online). Porn use was already common among them. The lockdown made things worse, but the status quo was already in place. > There's huge groups that are/were unemployed and then there's huge groups who are sexually repressed due to quarantine. This false anthropology must die. Pornography is incredibly harmful to those that consume it. It enslaves a person to his passions. It feeds his lusts and deranges his desires. It makes him or her incapable of relating to the opposite sex in a healthy way, whether in the strictly sexual sphere or not. Lust blunts the mind and renders one incapable of thinking clearly. The consumption of pornography only feeds the sexual passions, further entrenching lust and often generating paraphilias and fetishes as the titillating novelty wears off. Emotions become disordered. Someone who has a porn habit becomes locked in him or herself. The stereotype of a lonely and smarmy 40 year old locked in his parents' basement masturbating to porn is a pithy illustration in many ways. It is the image of an emasculated, impotent wretch deranged by his vices and disorders. This has nothing to do with his lack of a sexual relationship and everything to do with how he views sexuality. He is not master of himself. Frankly, we'd be better off permitting (regulated) prostitution. There seem to be plenty of women willing to provide these services and plenty of men who are slaves to their lusts (men tend to be more vulnerable to porn addiction and lust than women, but yes, it is true that it is not a problem exclusive to men). At least with prostitution, you're having sex with a human being instead of abusing yourself alone in your room. But ultimately, our view of sexuality must be restored to a healthy one and not the depraved one proposed by liberalism. I suspect the "asexual movement" is a subconscious reaction against the obsession with sex in our society. Excess in one direction tends to produce excess in the other. But maybe it will at least legitimize celibacy again. You don't need sex to have a happy life, contrary to the propaganda of the last few decades or so. I will add that porn use is an industry fueled both by a corrupt society and people in power who recognize that those who are slaves to their passions (and lust is but one of them) are easy to control. Oligarchies are prone to let such vices flourish because it keeps the populace impotent and consumed with themselves instead of threatening the usurpers who have managed to gain tyrannical control. Porn appeals to prurient interest which is why it is so useful in psychological warfare (a rather stark example is the broadcasting of porn on captured Palestinian television by the Israelis; you think they were trying to liberate them?). Sexual liberation has made people easier to control. It has truncated their humanity, warped them, and turned them into sex robots.

polote 5y ago

The success of OF is more a question of demand than offer honestly. During the lockdowns they were a lot of guys with money to spend but could not spend it on social activities, so a lot of it went on internet websites. But there is also a more long term trend of people having less and less sex and more and more porno consumption. But that can't go forever, at one point if all girls in the world are on sex workers then they will be much more offer than demand. A girl on OF, to make a living, let's say 3k per month, needs to have 300 guys paying for her. But a guy is not paying for 300 girls, maybe 10 max, so the platform needs to have 30 times more guys than girls. Which is unsustainable in a world with 50% girls/50% guys. Which is a good news imho. The day that having sex for girls is a normal thing (No this is not normal thing today). Then a lot of things will be much simpler for everyone

handmodel 5y ago
I would love to see their metrics. I would imagine, like most things, they have a ton of whales so that even if a minority of guys subscribe to 50 girls there probably are plenty of people with addictions shelling out $500 or $1000 a month on this stuff. And this people could represent the majority of all payments on the site. It also seems (from actual published data) that the distribution is super weighted towards the top performers. That being said, even an extra 1k a month is pretty sick for posting topless photos if your regular income is less than 40k or you are in school.
- _dark_matter_ 5y ago
  everthing is a pareto distribution, across both buyers and sellers. Would be neat to see a better breakdown though.
caractacus 5y ago
A long-term trend of less sex and more porno? Could you show some stats on this? I only question that line because I can't even deal with the rest of your post.
- polote 5y ago

vncecartersknee 5y ago

I don't think just any old person can make money off OF though, like presumably you need a reasonable camera and maybe lights or something, you need to be able to edit photos, the time and energy and motivation to learn how to use those things etc. It's not like some random struggling single mother can take a few pics of her feet on her 5 year old iphone and be expecting to make decent money.