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If only ISPs actually bothered giving out IPv6 addresses to their customers. It's 2021, I have a 1 Gbps FTTH connection and still no trace of IPv6. This is a co

If only ISPs actually bothered giving out IPv6 addresses to their customers. It's 2021, I have a 1 Gbps FTTH connection and still no trace of IPv6. This is a complete disgrace.

tyingq 5y ago
It's also very clear that it's possible, with the right motivation. Cell phone networks get it.
theandrewbailey 5y ago
FiOS? I've been on FiOS for almost 10 years. Every few months, I check to see if I or any other FiOS customer has IPv6. It's been on in one testing market (or two) for years, but nothing else outside that.
- thinkmassive 5y ago
  I’m FIOS with an IPv6 address right now. I first discovered this when I started presenting a terraform demo from home, and it broke because at least one of the AWS modules didn’t support IPv6. When developing I only used my Xfinity connection, which gives an IPv4 address. Apparently my laptop had switched to my other wifi Network right before the presentation. Luckily the interviewer was understanding, and we used the experience as a troubleshooting exercise.
  - deathanatos 5y ago
    I think you might be a unicorn. I'm also on FiOS, in a major MSA, and nope, IPv4 only.
- drewg123 5y ago
  I'm on FiOS in the Richmond VA area with an IPv6
  - sodality2 5y ago
    I'm only a few miles from you and cannot figure out how to enable IPv6. Did you do it within the router admin page? Did you have to do anything extra?
    - drewg123 5y ago
      No, it "just works" for me. I have their G3100 gateway, and it came with V6 enabled by default. I got service ~18mo ago..
- sleepydog 5y ago
  Still waiting in NYC. Any day now...
mrweasel 5y ago
My ISP have at one point stated that they did not have ANY plans to provide customers with IPv6, as there was no demand. This is beyond stupid, of cause there's no demand, the average user isn't even demanding an IPv4 address. They don't know that they need one. Claiming that they don't see a return on investment is equally silly. Most ISPs have rolled out fibre, or new equipment in the last 10 years. They could just have rolled out IPv6 when new equipment came online over the last decade. Maybe the ISP deliberately bought equipment without IPv6 support, like we did, but by accident. Two years ago we bought new Cisco equipment, for a remote office, only to discover that there where no IPv6 support. So back to Cisco it went. Why did Cisco even bother to make network equipment that doesn't support IPv6? Still, it's better than IBM who claims IPv6 support in their software, but haven't bothered to test it the last 7 years, so it doesn't actually work in the current versions.
- blowski 5y ago
  I imagine if you only have IPv6 then some parts of the internet will stop working, and customers will then blame the ISP. I can see why ISPs keep the status quo when it probably costs them very little to do so.
  - pantalaimon 5y ago
    Eh, in Germany most ISPs will only give you DSLite for new contracts - Dual Stack Lite where you only get a NATed private IPv4 address but full IPv6 connectivity.
    - Semaphor 5y ago
      My contract is from 2014, no IPv6 at all, but also a real IP and not behind a CGNAT. Kabel Deutschland/Vodafone business account (which is available for everyone and doesn’t mention anything about NAT)
      - mrunkel 5y ago
        It’s coming. I’m Unitymedia/Vodafone and I’ve been behind CGNAT for about two years now.
jiggawatts 5y ago
1 Gbps fibre here also, and miraculously with native IPv6 that "just works". I say miraculously, because most of the rest of the ISPs in my country have "experimental" IPv6 "coming soon". Any decade now. Any decade...
foepys 5y ago
People talk a lot of bad things about German ISPs, but I have IPv6 on my DSL connection since 2015 and on my phone since 2019 (maybe earlier).
- pimeys 5y ago
  I have a Vodafone cable in Berlin and it gives you one ipv6 address in NAT mode. Not really helping if using your own router and needing more than one ipv6 address (that is typically the case). I do VPN from the router, giving me a proper /64 block...
  - dtx1 5y ago
    Same setup here but my VPN provider only gives me a /128 IPv6 Net so i have to use IPv6 NAT which is possible but ugly. Which one do you use?
    - pimeys 5y ago
      Azire gives a nice /64 block. https://www.azirevpn.com/ https://www.azirevpn.com/
- zeeZ 5y ago
  People like to shit on Telefonica/o2, and after half a year of trying to get my bills corrected I can see why. But I've had dual stack on my DSL for several years now without issue (caused by them).
- shoeffner 5y ago
  I also remember having IPv6 in Germany for years now, but it came with lots of problems: routers cannot forward things properly, thus self-hosting at home becomes tricky, or playing games with friends without dedicated servers (yes, they still exist, no, not all support IPv6). It gets even worse with "DS-Lite", where multiple customers share the same external IPv4 address, to enable support for all the webservices not supporting IPv6 yet. All in all, I had so many troubles with setting up anything behind IPv6 or DS-lite, that I asked my ISP to give me an additional IPv4 address, so that I don't have troubles. While they usually provide bad service, this came for free -- but other ISPs, for example my parents' ISP, want you to pay 50 or more euros per month for an "enterprise contract" to get a dedicated IPv4. I still haven't found a way for my dad to setup his old webcam server at home such that others can reach it from the outside world, and I tried every couple months over the last 6 years or so.
benttoothpaste 5y ago
One of the very few good things I can say about my Comcast connection is that they gave me a 60-bit IPv6 prefix.
dmitryminkovsky 5y ago
Here in Baltimore County, Maryland, Comcast provides my cable modem an IPv4 and IPv6 address. Is that unusual? I'm not sure, but I think Time Warner in New York also allocated IPv6.
- ocdtrekkie 5y ago
  To my knowledge, actually, by default, Comcast solely provides IPv6 by default... but then if you plug in a device that requires (or is configured to require) IPv4, it'll give you an IPv4 address. During the transition, I'd occasionally find weird things would spontaneously break on consumer PCs, like old Office Click-to-Run versions which didn't support IPv6, and then discover the user no longer had an IPv4 address. Usually happens if the customer's computers connect to the Comcast gateway directly. If they have their own router, it usually gets an IPv4 address.
  - throaway46546 5y ago
    Not giving users who connect to the gateway directly a v4 address seems like a decent security feature.
    - ocdtrekkie 5y ago
      That is probably just a side benefit. Your two largest ISPs pushing IPv6 are Verizon and Comcast, because they're also (including wireline and mobile) the largest ISPs. The number of IPv4 addresses they'd need to meet their customers needs would be astronomical if they didn't find any excuse to go IPv6 only where possible.
  - ArchOversight 5y ago
    Comcast is dual stack, and will hand out IPv6 and IPv4. There are times when their IPv4 DHCP server is slow or seems to be out to lunch though, and during that time you might get IPv6 only.
- mindcrime 5y ago
  AIUI, Time Warner had rolled out ipv6 pretty widely before the merger and becoming Spectrum. I have had native dual-stack ipv4/ipv6 from TWC/Spectrum for several years now, in the RTP, NC area.
api 5y ago
Just got an Orbi WiFi setup. Great hardware but v6 was disabled by default and enabling it is under “advanced.” This is a fairly new product in 2021. ISP supplies it no problem.
defaultname 5y ago
My ISP assigned my home an IPv6 address, but the net result is that I get captchas and bot checks endlessly. Even a simple grocery order on Walmart's website yields a dozen "Are you a robot" interruptions during a session.
- sfblah 5y ago
  Yes. This. I tried using ipv6 and had to turn it off because of problems like this.
  - FractalParadigm 5y ago
    Where do you live? Here in Canada I've had native IPv6 through Rogers for the better part of 10 years and have never had problems in any way. In fact I have IPv4 straight up disabled on a few devices because v6 has been marginally faster in any test I've done. So far Reddit and HackerNews are the only two websites I regularly visit without v6 support (why?).
    - defaultname 5y ago
      I (the guy two comments up) am in Canada through another provider. Whether the address range just isn't as well known and documented on whitelists, or one of my neighbors (IPv6 wise) runs botnets, there is no doubt that it is treated as much more suspicious traffic when I'm going through IPv6. And this is well known in the industry. The IPv4 world has had enormous mapping and trust ratings and understanding -- coupled with a scarcity that gives range owners or operators a higher incentive to care about what happens on it -- while a lot of people are still completely in the dark about IPv6 and still treat it like some scary unknown.
      - oarsinsync 5y ago
        > The IPv4 world has had enormous mapping and trust ratings and understanding Indeed, and residential ranges are wholesale blocked from participating in various services, because of abuse through compromised hosts in residential networks. Budget cloud providers are wholesale blocked from participating in various services, either at thier local edge, or the remote edge, because of abuse through deliberate malicous customers and/or compromised hosts.
zahllos 5y ago
In Switzerland it is a level of insanity above this. Major ISPs are now promising 10Gbit and 25Gbit fibre to the home, but only one ISP natively supports IPv6 (init7, not the country's major provider Swisscom). This is utterly bonkers. While the ethernet cables they give out can likely do 10Gbit (but definitely not 25Gbit) very few people have 10Gbit-capable ethernet or wifi chipsets and there is no way they will actually be able to routinely transmit data at this speed. Swisscom do 6rd and don't offer static IPv6 either presumably because of how 6rd works. So it is a pain to configure anything except using their own box.
- awruko 5y ago
  what do you mean by natively? I am using iway and can clearly use ipv6. Most of the whatismyip sites give me my ipv6.
  - ubanholzer 5y ago
    Depends on the location. If iWay does have a POP in your network, they can offer native IPv6 because their DHCP does support it. If they don't have a POP, they often (need to) use Swisscom to "proxy" your packages (like Crossover7). And because the Swisscom DHCP Server can't assign IPv6 leases currently, your router needs to tunnel IPv6 packages in IPv4 packages to the infrastructure of iWay. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/6rd https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/6rd
- dmurray 5y ago
  > While the ethernet cables they give out can likely do 10Gbit (but definitely not 25Gbit) very few people have 10Gbit-capable ethernet or wifi chipsets and there is no way they will actually be able to routinely transmit data at this speed. Bit of future proofing, the fibre cables will be in the ground for 10 years and who knows whether consumer devices can routinely do 10G by then. The cost is dominated by the price of digging up the roads, not by sticking a few extra strands in the ducts.
  - zahllos 5y ago
    Yeah future proofing makes sense. I'd hope they'd do that anyway if only because once they get out of my building it isn't just a fibre cable for me but for business connectivity too. There's a couple of data centres in my town that host for local businesses so the interconnect need is there. It just feels a bit dishonest to sell a 10G connection and tell the user to speed test on the router's web portal when their PC won't get remotely near that.
Akronymus 5y ago
We have a dual uipv4 and ipv6 address at home. But both are CGNAT'ed, which really annoys me.
tomjen3 5y ago
I loath this normally, but this is one case where we really need the government to set standards. Everybody is better of on IPV6: 1. Mandate that all ISPs have a fully functional IPv6 assigned for each IPv4 given to customers. It must route just as their IPv4 does. If a customer doesn't have an IPv4 number, they must assign as many IPv6 as if the customer had one IPv4. 1. Mandate that all servers and all services accessible over IPv4 be accessible over IPv6 1. Institute sufficient fines for businesses that don't follow these requirements.
nickcw 5y ago
IPv6 is a hard sell for the average customer and because of that to the ISPs that provide service to them. IPv6 doesn't make anything go faster, or let customers access anything they can't already access and quite likely it will make difficult to diagnose networking problems which break stuff (speaking from personal experience with IPv6 here!). I don't think ISPs will be motivated to give out IPv6 addresses routinely until there are important areas of the internet which are IPv6 only. Until that point they would just be making more support burden for themselves. And I can't see important stuff going IPv6 only any time soon since you don't make a new and exciting service which the majority of people can't access.
- xur17 5y ago
  I think it was 5 or 10 years ago, but there were some websites that did exactly that. I distinctly remember setting up an ipv6 gateway so I could get access to free newsgroups. I think there was other stuff as well, I just don't remember it all. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/k9aqjy/newszilla6xs4allnl_not_free_any_more/gf3cow8/ https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/k9aqjy/newszilla6xs...
- oarsinsync 5y ago
  One of the largest ISPs in the UK (BT) provides dual stack connectivity as standard. Their CPE is configured to enable dual stack LANs as standard. Few consumers login to their CPE to change anything. "It Just Works."
  - billpg 5y ago
    Are you sure? I use BT and I all of the IPv6 testing websites I found report no-support.
    - kiwijamo 5y ago
      Are you using their CPE, and a recent one at that? Several RSPs here in New Zealand are starting to enable IPv6 on new CPE gear they supply to end users (although Spark, our equivalent to your BT, has remained the only large provider to not do any IPv6 at all). I'm finding that this is becoming a situation where if you don't use the RSP supplied gear it can be tricky to get IPv6 up and running on your own gear. I used Ubiquiti gear previously which I had trouble getting IPv6 working until someone who worked for my RSP pointed out that their PPPoE stack is IPv4 only, I needed to redo my config to DHCP/IPoE instead (was a TIL moment when I realised my RSP offers both PPPoE and DHCP/IPoE over the same connection). Replaced my Ubiquiti with Microtik and I can't get IPv6 to work at all even with config that seems to me to be the equivalent to what I had on the Ubiquiti gear.
lizknope 5y ago
I have AT&T Fiber along with my sister and parents. They live 20 and 30 miles west of me. Both of them have IPv6 but I don't and I live in a bigger city in the area. I don't understand.
- bombcar 5y ago
  Are you using the AT&T provided router equipment? On my connection I'm using a Microtik and I had to actually "request" a dhcpv6 and all of a sudden it started getting IPv6.
GoblinSlayer 5y ago
ISP will also want to keep you behind symmetric NAT bars, and replacing the NAT is another quest.
rhacker 5y ago
Does anyone know if Starlink is ipv6? I've been using ipv4 because I use LTE with ATT or TMobile links for the past 7 years (RV full time) and I can't wait for a modern internet connection that doesn't suck.
graphenus 5y ago
My ISP gives the whole /48 subnet of IPv6 addresses to their private customers. But here we do have some real competition between ISPs.

If only ISPs actually bothered giving out IPv6 addresses to their customers. It's 2021, I have a 1 Gbps FTTH connection and still no trace of IPv6. This is a complete disgrace.

tyingq 5y ago

It's also very clear that it's possible, with the right motivation. Cell phone networks get it.

theandrewbailey 5y ago

FiOS? I've been on FiOS for almost 10 years. Every few months, I check to see if I or any other FiOS customer has IPv6. It's been on in one testing market (or two) for years, but nothing else outside that.

thinkmassive 5y ago
I’m FIOS with an IPv6 address right now. I first discovered this when I started presenting a terraform demo from home, and it broke because at least one of the AWS modules didn’t support IPv6. When developing I only used my Xfinity connection, which gives an IPv4 address. Apparently my laptop had switched to my other wifi Network right before the presentation. Luckily the interviewer was understanding, and we used the experience as a troubleshooting exercise.
- deathanatos 5y ago
  I think you might be a unicorn. I'm also on FiOS, in a major MSA, and nope, IPv4 only.
drewg123 5y ago
I'm on FiOS in the Richmond VA area with an IPv6
- sodality2 5y ago
  I'm only a few miles from you and cannot figure out how to enable IPv6. Did you do it within the router admin page? Did you have to do anything extra?
  - drewg123 5y ago
    No, it "just works" for me. I have their G3100 gateway, and it came with V6 enabled by default. I got service ~18mo ago..
sleepydog 5y ago
Still waiting in NYC. Any day now...

mrweasel 5y ago

My ISP have at one point stated that they did not have ANY plans to provide customers with IPv6, as there was no demand. This is beyond stupid, of cause there's no demand, the average user isn't even demanding an IPv4 address. They don't know that they need one. Claiming that they don't see a return on investment is equally silly. Most ISPs have rolled out fibre, or new equipment in the last 10 years. They could just have rolled out IPv6 when new equipment came online over the last decade. Maybe the ISP deliberately bought equipment without IPv6 support, like we did, but by accident. Two years ago we bought new Cisco equipment, for a remote office, only to discover that there where no IPv6 support. So back to Cisco it went. Why did Cisco even bother to make network equipment that doesn't support IPv6? Still, it's better than IBM who claims IPv6 support in their software, but haven't bothered to test it the last 7 years, so it doesn't actually work in the current versions.

blowski 5y ago
I imagine if you only have IPv6 then some parts of the internet will stop working, and customers will then blame the ISP. I can see why ISPs keep the status quo when it probably costs them very little to do so.
- pantalaimon 5y ago
  Eh, in Germany most ISPs will only give you DSLite for new contracts - Dual Stack Lite where you only get a NATed private IPv4 address but full IPv6 connectivity.
  - Semaphor 5y ago
    My contract is from 2014, no IPv6 at all, but also a real IP and not behind a CGNAT. Kabel Deutschland/Vodafone business account (which is available for everyone and doesn’t mention anything about NAT)
    - mrunkel 5y ago
      It’s coming. I’m Unitymedia/Vodafone and I’ve been behind CGNAT for about two years now.

jiggawatts 5y ago

1 Gbps fibre here also, and miraculously with native IPv6 that "just works". I say miraculously, because most of the rest of the ISPs in my country have "experimental" IPv6 "coming soon". Any decade now. Any decade...

foepys 5y ago

People talk a lot of bad things about German ISPs, but I have IPv6 on my DSL connection since 2015 and on my phone since 2019 (maybe earlier).

pimeys 5y ago
I have a Vodafone cable in Berlin and it gives you one ipv6 address in NAT mode. Not really helping if using your own router and needing more than one ipv6 address (that is typically the case). I do VPN from the router, giving me a proper /64 block...
- dtx1 5y ago
  Same setup here but my VPN provider only gives me a /128 IPv6 Net so i have to use IPv6 NAT which is possible but ugly. Which one do you use?
  - pimeys 5y ago
    Azire gives a nice /64 block. https://www.azirevpn.com/ https://www.azirevpn.com/
zeeZ 5y ago
People like to shit on Telefonica/o2, and after half a year of trying to get my bills corrected I can see why. But I've had dual stack on my DSL for several years now without issue (caused by them).
shoeffner 5y ago
I also remember having IPv6 in Germany for years now, but it came with lots of problems: routers cannot forward things properly, thus self-hosting at home becomes tricky, or playing games with friends without dedicated servers (yes, they still exist, no, not all support IPv6). It gets even worse with "DS-Lite", where multiple customers share the same external IPv4 address, to enable support for all the webservices not supporting IPv6 yet. All in all, I had so many troubles with setting up anything behind IPv6 or DS-lite, that I asked my ISP to give me an additional IPv4 address, so that I don't have troubles. While they usually provide bad service, this came for free -- but other ISPs, for example my parents' ISP, want you to pay 50 or more euros per month for an "enterprise contract" to get a dedicated IPv4. I still haven't found a way for my dad to setup his old webcam server at home such that others can reach it from the outside world, and I tried every couple months over the last 6 years or so.

benttoothpaste 5y ago

One of the very few good things I can say about my Comcast connection is that they gave me a 60-bit IPv6 prefix.

dmitryminkovsky 5y ago

Here in Baltimore County, Maryland, Comcast provides my cable modem an IPv4 and IPv6 address. Is that unusual? I'm not sure, but I think Time Warner in New York also allocated IPv6.

ocdtrekkie 5y ago
To my knowledge, actually, by default, Comcast solely provides IPv6 by default... but then if you plug in a device that requires (or is configured to require) IPv4, it'll give you an IPv4 address. During the transition, I'd occasionally find weird things would spontaneously break on consumer PCs, like old Office Click-to-Run versions which didn't support IPv6, and then discover the user no longer had an IPv4 address. Usually happens if the customer's computers connect to the Comcast gateway directly. If they have their own router, it usually gets an IPv4 address.
- throaway46546 5y ago
  Not giving users who connect to the gateway directly a v4 address seems like a decent security feature.
  - ocdtrekkie 5y ago
    That is probably just a side benefit. Your two largest ISPs pushing IPv6 are Verizon and Comcast, because they're also (including wireline and mobile) the largest ISPs. The number of IPv4 addresses they'd need to meet their customers needs would be astronomical if they didn't find any excuse to go IPv6 only where possible.
- ArchOversight 5y ago
  Comcast is dual stack, and will hand out IPv6 and IPv4. There are times when their IPv4 DHCP server is slow or seems to be out to lunch though, and during that time you might get IPv6 only.
mindcrime 5y ago
AIUI, Time Warner had rolled out ipv6 pretty widely before the merger and becoming Spectrum. I have had native dual-stack ipv4/ipv6 from TWC/Spectrum for several years now, in the RTP, NC area.

api 5y ago

Just got an Orbi WiFi setup. Great hardware but v6 was disabled by default and enabling it is under “advanced.” This is a fairly new product in 2021. ISP supplies it no problem.

defaultname 5y ago

My ISP assigned my home an IPv6 address, but the net result is that I get captchas and bot checks endlessly. Even a simple grocery order on Walmart's website yields a dozen "Are you a robot" interruptions during a session.

sfblah 5y ago
Yes. This. I tried using ipv6 and had to turn it off because of problems like this.
- FractalParadigm 5y ago
  Where do you live? Here in Canada I've had native IPv6 through Rogers for the better part of 10 years and have never had problems in any way. In fact I have IPv4 straight up disabled on a few devices because v6 has been marginally faster in any test I've done. So far Reddit and HackerNews are the only two websites I regularly visit without v6 support (why?).
  - defaultname 5y ago
    I (the guy two comments up) am in Canada through another provider. Whether the address range just isn't as well known and documented on whitelists, or one of my neighbors (IPv6 wise) runs botnets, there is no doubt that it is treated as much more suspicious traffic when I'm going through IPv6. And this is well known in the industry. The IPv4 world has had enormous mapping and trust ratings and understanding -- coupled with a scarcity that gives range owners or operators a higher incentive to care about what happens on it -- while a lot of people are still completely in the dark about IPv6 and still treat it like some scary unknown.
    - oarsinsync 5y ago
      > The IPv4 world has had enormous mapping and trust ratings and understanding Indeed, and residential ranges are wholesale blocked from participating in various services, because of abuse through compromised hosts in residential networks. Budget cloud providers are wholesale blocked from participating in various services, either at thier local edge, or the remote edge, because of abuse through deliberate malicous customers and/or compromised hosts.

zahllos 5y ago

In Switzerland it is a level of insanity above this. Major ISPs are now promising 10Gbit and 25Gbit fibre to the home, but only one ISP natively supports IPv6 (init7, not the country's major provider Swisscom). This is utterly bonkers. While the ethernet cables they give out can likely do 10Gbit (but definitely not 25Gbit) very few people have 10Gbit-capable ethernet or wifi chipsets and there is no way they will actually be able to routinely transmit data at this speed. Swisscom do 6rd and don't offer static IPv6 either presumably because of how 6rd works. So it is a pain to configure anything except using their own box.

awruko 5y ago
what do you mean by natively? I am using iway and can clearly use ipv6. Most of the whatismyip sites give me my ipv6.
- ubanholzer 5y ago
  Depends on the location. If iWay does have a POP in your network, they can offer native IPv6 because their DHCP does support it. If they don't have a POP, they often (need to) use Swisscom to "proxy" your packages (like Crossover7). And because the Swisscom DHCP Server can't assign IPv6 leases currently, your router needs to tunnel IPv6 packages in IPv4 packages to the infrastructure of iWay. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/6rd https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/6rd
dmurray 5y ago
> While the ethernet cables they give out can likely do 10Gbit (but definitely not 25Gbit) very few people have 10Gbit-capable ethernet or wifi chipsets and there is no way they will actually be able to routinely transmit data at this speed. Bit of future proofing, the fibre cables will be in the ground for 10 years and who knows whether consumer devices can routinely do 10G by then. The cost is dominated by the price of digging up the roads, not by sticking a few extra strands in the ducts.
- zahllos 5y ago
  Yeah future proofing makes sense. I'd hope they'd do that anyway if only because once they get out of my building it isn't just a fibre cable for me but for business connectivity too. There's a couple of data centres in my town that host for local businesses so the interconnect need is there. It just feels a bit dishonest to sell a 10G connection and tell the user to speed test on the router's web portal when their PC won't get remotely near that.

Akronymus 5y ago

We have a dual uipv4 and ipv6 address at home. But both are CGNAT'ed, which really annoys me.

tomjen3 5y ago

I loath this normally, but this is one case where we really need the government to set standards. Everybody is better of on IPV6: 1. Mandate that all ISPs have a fully functional IPv6 assigned for each IPv4 given to customers. It must route just as their IPv4 does. If a customer doesn't have an IPv4 number, they must assign as many IPv6 as if the customer had one IPv4. 1. Mandate that all servers and all services accessible over IPv4 be accessible over IPv6 1. Institute sufficient fines for businesses that don't follow these requirements.

nickcw 5y ago

IPv6 is a hard sell for the average customer and because of that to the ISPs that provide service to them. IPv6 doesn't make anything go faster, or let customers access anything they can't already access and quite likely it will make difficult to diagnose networking problems which break stuff (speaking from personal experience with IPv6 here!). I don't think ISPs will be motivated to give out IPv6 addresses routinely until there are important areas of the internet which are IPv6 only. Until that point they would just be making more support burden for themselves. And I can't see important stuff going IPv6 only any time soon since you don't make a new and exciting service which the majority of people can't access.

xur17 5y ago
I think it was 5 or 10 years ago, but there were some websites that did exactly that. I distinctly remember setting up an ipv6 gateway so I could get access to free newsgroups. I think there was other stuff as well, I just don't remember it all. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/k9aqjy/newszilla6xs4allnl_not_free_any_more/gf3cow8/ https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/k9aqjy/newszilla6xs...
oarsinsync 5y ago
One of the largest ISPs in the UK (BT) provides dual stack connectivity as standard. Their CPE is configured to enable dual stack LANs as standard. Few consumers login to their CPE to change anything. "It Just Works."
- billpg 5y ago
  Are you sure? I use BT and I all of the IPv6 testing websites I found report no-support.
  - kiwijamo 5y ago
    Are you using their CPE, and a recent one at that? Several RSPs here in New Zealand are starting to enable IPv6 on new CPE gear they supply to end users (although Spark, our equivalent to your BT, has remained the only large provider to not do any IPv6 at all). I'm finding that this is becoming a situation where if you don't use the RSP supplied gear it can be tricky to get IPv6 up and running on your own gear. I used Ubiquiti gear previously which I had trouble getting IPv6 working until someone who worked for my RSP pointed out that their PPPoE stack is IPv4 only, I needed to redo my config to DHCP/IPoE instead (was a TIL moment when I realised my RSP offers both PPPoE and DHCP/IPoE over the same connection). Replaced my Ubiquiti with Microtik and I can't get IPv6 to work at all even with config that seems to me to be the equivalent to what I had on the Ubiquiti gear.

lizknope 5y ago

I have AT&T Fiber along with my sister and parents. They live 20 and 30 miles west of me. Both of them have IPv6 but I don't and I live in a bigger city in the area. I don't understand.

bombcar 5y ago
Are you using the AT&T provided router equipment? On my connection I'm using a Microtik and I had to actually "request" a dhcpv6 and all of a sudden it started getting IPv6.

GoblinSlayer 5y ago

ISP will also want to keep you behind symmetric NAT bars, and replacing the NAT is another quest.

rhacker 5y ago

Does anyone know if Starlink is ipv6? I've been using ipv4 because I use LTE with ATT or TMobile links for the past 7 years (RV full time) and I can't wait for a modern internet connection that doesn't suck.

graphenus 5y ago

My ISP gives the whole /48 subnet of IPv6 addresses to their private customers. But here we do have some real competition between ISPs.