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There Are Aliens, but Probably Not Here
- tailspin2019 5y ago"Too many redirects occurred trying to open “https://fakenous.net/?p=2365/wp-admin/install.php” https://fakenous.net/?p=2365/wp-admin/install.php”. This might occur if you open a page that is redirected to open another page, which then is redirected to open the original page." EDIT: I'd love to understand the downvote, considering as I write this the linked website is still presenting an open installer wizard for Wordpress!
- ______- 5y agoAlso https://fakenous.net/ https://fakenous.net/ looks like someone's installing a new Wordpress. I've seen this situation before and was able to literally install Wordpress on someone's server.
- ericmay 5y agoYes was coming here to comment. Went to root directory and was able to access Wordpress installation.
- mattowen_uk 5y agoIt's still there. All I can say, is that we're a nice bunch, as none of us have done anything with it (yet).
- Zenst 5y agoInteresting thought, but once we find Aliens, then we ourselves also become Aliens...too the other species. Indeed if you look up the definition in dictionaries for the word "Alien" you get definitions all routed in `fear of the unknown`. For example Colins: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/alien https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/alien Makes you wonder how things can be interpreted and some extraterrestrial species did discover us, would they have the same fear of the unknown definition.
- nbcomplete 5y agoGoogle cache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:fDc6mGeBeW8J:https://fakenous.net/%3Fp%3D2365+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:fDc6mG...
- throwawaygal7 5y agoAliens are like angels and demons in 12 century Europe- they're everywhere but you'll never see them.
- the__alchemist 5y agoCarl Sagan wrote a book based on this premise: The Demon-Haunted World.
- dane-pgp 5y agoThe fact that the phenomenon has endured across centuries (and across cultures) either suggests that both demons and aliens are products of the human mind, or that demons and aliens are the same phenomenon, and they usually don't want to be seen.
- analog31 5y agoFor better or worse, science has enjoyed 400+ years of arbitrarily ignoring phenomena that are simultaneously profound but also irreproducible, while agreeing by convention that those phenomena are the realm of theology. Science has been an incredibly fruitful pursuit, but it has left itself utterly un-equipped to deal with aliens.
- bsenftner 5y ago> Instead, what we’re seeing is ordinary phenomena, treated irresponsibly and incompetently by the news media. This is journalism, the entire industry, in a single sentence.
- jlkuester7 5y agoIt is nice to see some more rational explanations for these videos (instead of the constant alien/ufo drivel from most media outlets). The thing that still confuses me, though, is how these videos became a thing in the first place. We are not talking about some random civilians with a Polaroid trying to get pics of a lake monster. The Navy has (presumably high-tech) equipment for finding and tracking airborne phenomena and it is operated by (presumably qualified) professionals. It seems mission-critical that this technology/personnel would be able to accurately distinguish between lens flare/parallax/etc and actual aircraft maneuvers. I get that not everyone in the Navy has access to the same equipment/expertise, so maybe this is just a matter of some easily excitable folks ignoring the experts from the very beginning....
- SerLava 5y agoI don't feel like it can be much of a coincidence that there is a new branch of the US military with a currently low yearly expenditure compared to the other branches, which could potentially be the source of incredibly lucrative private contracts to corporations with former generals sitting on their boards.
- RobertoG 5y agoYou should check the interviews (there are several, including a 60 minutes) with the pilot David Fravor (1). There are two pilots and two wizards that saw the same with their own eyes (even I have only see the other pilot confirming it). That's an UFO. That doesn't mean that it's extraterrestrial. To say that it's extraterrestrial at this point, is, in my opinion, so ridiculous like to say that there is nothing to explain (like the author of the article seems to believe). (1) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E (this is a great interview interesting in its own right, even without the UFO part)
- zikzak 5y agoTime for me to sound crazy. I won't comment on the debunking. I am sure there's a logical explanation but I am not qualified to make decisions using the evidence I have (which is often true of people on both sides of the discussion, here, generally). I terms of "are they here", it isn't totally crazy to imagine an AI that can self replicate it's frame, and use this ability to explore the galaxy. When it finds places of interest or that are particularly useful for replication it might hang around. I'm do not think that is what is going on but it is certainly a possibility. Very remote, of course.
- goatse-4-u 5y agoThat's a Von Neumann probe. Good idea, but to my knowledge there aren't any here. The craft being observed (all over the world) are from a breakaway civilization. They were developed within the last century, possibly with the aid of extraterrestrials via an archeological finding or even direct communication, but that's an unknown for me. I do however know the names of most of these craft, and once you know the names there is more detailed information out there including close-up images. They are quite cool, but to my knowledge are entirely terrestrial. The USG may try an alien false flag as a ploy for funding in the near future.
- ncallaway 5y ago> I do not think that is what is going on but it is certainly a possibility. Very remote, of course. I agree and put in Bayesian terms it seems to me that the prior for “aliens are here, and are hiding from us, but are hiding badly” should be non-zero but very low. The kind of evidence we have seen should just our priors upward very slightly, but has too many other (more likely) potential explanations to have a significant impact for me.
- dau 5y agoHow do you come to the conclusion that they are hiding badly? Assuming they are there and they are in fact hiding, I think they are pretty good at it. Or do you have reliable photo or video evidence that suggests otherwise? :-)
- RobertoG 5y agoThe thing about those videos are not the videos themselves, but the testimonies that come with them and the additional information, specially the "tic tac" video. I don't know what is really going on in those videos, but, in my opinion, this gentleman, that it seems is a professor of epistemology!, is not following the scientific method. You don't start with the solution and then fix the evidence to it. It's very easy to explain the videos away if you don't hear what the people that was there, or the experts on how the cameras work, have to say.
- zdyn5 5y agoAlso, if the films could be so simply explained away (like IR of airplanes from far away) this would’ve been put down way earlier at multiple levels of the Navy, probably starting from the pilots themselves since they would see these things multiple times every day. Mick West also has an incentive to come up with explanations to debunk these films since that’s his job, even if they’re low quality explanations since he has to… whereas it’s far more taboo and reputation-risking in the Navy for the pilots to come out and say what they saw.
- raverbashing 5y agoYes, obviously I mean, if this is explainable phenomenon (let's say, atmospheric) it would be in the interest of the aviation community to know it. Upper Atmospheric lightning is known at this point. No need for mystery or keeping things under wraps.
- marc_io 5y ago> No need for mystery or keeping things under wraps. The government may need if there is other implications beyond flight security. The fact that they explicitly said that there's more classified data about it, clearly shows that concern.
- quesera 5y agoNot so clear, I think. Sometimes things remain classified not because of the findings, but because of what those findings would reveal about the capabilities of data collection.
- ctvo 5y agoA person without actual expertise dismisses numerous accounts by trained pilots who saw this first hand by Googling for YouTube explanations and calling these witnesses liars or incompetents. Does this person happen to work in tech?
- SerLava 5y agoWell, the Pentagon sent us a video of a blurry dot. So it must have been an alien space ship moving 16,000 miles per hour through atmosphere but not heating the air at all
- dau 5y agoThe Pentagon didn't send or release anything. They confirmed the publication of an - at least perhaps initially - unidentified object to be a genuine recording.
- SerLava 5y agoIt's also the video they had previously fumbled, and spooks are well known to fraudulently "leak" information to get it selectively picked up
- RobertoG 5y agoNot really, what you have is videos and testimonies of surprising things, not of aliens. "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" Isaac Asimov
- mellosouls 5y agoThe pilots are expert in flying and no doubt in-the-moment aerial observation; but its not clear why we need to take their opinion as final and impartial in post-event video analysis.
- ctvo 5y ago> The pilots are expert in flying and no doubt in-the-moment aerial observation; And the pilots say it's something they can't explain, and have never seen before, on the record. More than one account. The problem is the writer dismisses all of this, and takes the explanation of people who saw only the video. How dismissive the writer is of other's lived experience and expertise in their own domain is what I have trouble with.
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- tamaharbor 5y agoIt would cost a lot of money for Earthlings to send an occasional mission to the relatively nearby Moon or Mars. There must be a lot of really affluent civilizations in the universes.
- cyberbanjo 5y agoOne of my favorite sci-fi tropes is post scarcity
- lgl 5y agoI think the main issue with this argument isn't really whether it's a post scarcity civilization or not, but the implying that any alien civilization, especially an advanced one, would also develop into an almost exclusively capitalistic society like us. It's going way too much into anthropomorphizing territory.
- ec109685 5y agoOnce you have sufficiently advanced robots, doesn’t the cost of most goods dramatically reduce since the labor is taken out of the entire supply chain?
- mynameisvlad 5y agoUsually, post-scarcity as an element deals with matter replicators/molecular assemblers that can build anything out of raw materials. See Diamond Age, Accelerando, etc.
- dahfizz 5y agoResources are always scarce. Energy and raw materials will always be expensive, and the demand for energy and materials both increases as they become more available (keeping the price high).
- arcanon 5y agoNothing is scarce in space. There is limitless energy in the atom’s nucleus. We just dont have an effective power plant yet.
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- creamytaco 5y agoI find these superficial debunkers even more tedious than the aliens are here crowd, since they selectively focus only on evidence that supports their POV whilst conveniently ignoring everything else. Given eye-witness testimony by trained pilots there are two possibilities that I see: + Pilots are telling the truth, the phenomenon is real, the actors unknown (could be the US, foreign adversaries, ..) + Pilots are lying and this is some sort of prank or government propaganda / psychological operation. What's not at all probable given the facts, are the explanations that fakenous.net put up.
- egfx 5y ago> since they selectively focus only on evidence that supports their POV whilst conveniently ignoring everything else. Sounds like the New York Times model. I think journalists basically feel the need, in fact it’s their job to do this because they think the narrative is paramount to everything else.
- carapace 5y agoI didn't see it mentioned here yet but this went by three days ago: "‘Something’s going on’: UFOs threaten national security, US politicians warn" > Some members of Congress were given advanced details about Pentagon report, which is scheduled to be released before 25 June > A group of senior American politicians have warned that UFOs pose “national security concerns” after getting a confidential briefing on a highly anticipated report on unidentified aerial phenomena that is set to be released later this month. > Some members of Congress were given advanced details about the contents of the Pentagon report, which is scheduled to be released before 25 June, and several said they are deeply worried about the findings. > “Clearly, something’s going on that we can’t handle,” Tim Burchett, a Republican congressman from Tennessee, told TMZ. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/17/ufos-us-report-national-security-concerns https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/17/ufos-us-repo... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27542883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27542883
- strathmeyer 5y agoCorrupt governments pretend to have evidence of aliens in order to increase their legitimacy. At has always added up to this.
- ArtDev 5y agoRecall that "earthquake lights" were not recognized by science until recently. The sometimes giant balls of lights (proceeding an earthquake) were the source of many UFO sightings. These Navy videos are not glitches, human error, or aliens.. or foreign tech. I think these are meteors with qualities yet to be undiscovered!
- Geee 5y agoI'm going to pay careful attention to other news on the same day when the report drops.
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- denton-scratch 5y agoI agree with nearly everything the professor says. Hell, it doesn't take a professor; it's not that hard. It seems very probable that there are aliens; and for most of them, it seems very improbable that they can get to us, or us to them. I disagree with him when he proposes that (a) a civilisation founded a billion years ago might still exist; and (b) that such a billion-year-old civilisation would have overcome aging (and on a long journey, they'd have to overcome evolution too). Further, my view is that our interest in aliens is something that has grown up in the last 200 years. Once it becomes clear to us that no aliens are close-enough to us to be reachable, or to reach us, we'll lose interest. And we'll stop looking for their signals; we'll understand that after something in the order of 200 years of them discovering the universe, they'll have realised that there's no point in communicating with us. My guess is that there's a pretty short window when a civilisation is interested in communicating with aliens.
- pandemic_region 5y agoWhy do you disagree with the fact that a billion year old civilization will have overcome aging ? It does not seem all that far-fetched to me, there may be species out there that are composed completely different than any life we have here on earth.
- fsn4dN69ey 5y agoI guess they're reasonable explanations if the sole piece of "evidence" was camera recordings - but they have numerous eyewitnesses for all of these events, including tracking on the associated carriers for some of them, validating the movements. Being outright dismissive because maybe it could be possibly a camera artifact but ignoring multiple trained eyewitnesses and confirmation from other electronic sources makes me think it is not just a camera artifact.
- anthuswilliams 5y agoThis article makes a familiar error in thinking that I routinely see when it comes to the subject of extraterrestrial life. It goes like this: 1) There exist billions and billions of stars, each of which can be thought of an independent Bernoulli trial with probability P as to whether intelligent life exists in that star system. 2) P must be a non-negligible quantity, because we ourselves exist 3) Therefore intelligent life "must" exist elsewhere in the universe due to the sheer number of trials. This is an epistemological error that echoes the sort of error made by proponents of intelligent design. They conclude that the chance of thinking beings evolving is prodigiously unlikely, and therefore our existence is proof of a creator. But in fact, you cannot post-hoc conclude that our existence says anything at all about P, because if we didn't exist, there would be no one to ask the question. Therefore the fact that we are wondering about the value of P means our existence is an implicit axiom of the logical system itself. One way to think of it is there could be infinitely many possible universes with no life at all, and by definition the question of P can only discussed in the one branch, in all that lifeless space of possibilities, where thinking beings actually exist. So P could, in fact, be made arbitrarily small, and Earth could indeed be the only place in the universe with intelligent life. Note that this doesn't claim that extraterrestrial life _doesn't_ exist. It merely points out the truth in all of this P-hacking: that we have no evidentiary basis for believing one way or the other.
- mrkramer 5y agoI think instead of taking billions of stars we should look at the "alien life" from the aspect of chemistry and biology. What is the basic chemistry and biology of life? Chemicals, heat, water, single celled organisms, multi cellular organisms, bacteria, viruses, genetic materials, gene transfers etc. All of that in the context of universe, stars and planets. I would like to see a research from that point of view. If anybody knows of such research papers I would like to read them.
- dennis_jeeves 5y ago>I think instead of taking billions of stars we should look at the "alien life" from the aspect of chemistry and biology. I _thought_ that was the underlying assumptions of all these probability figures including Drake's equation. I could be wrong...