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Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
- mikece 6y agoI wonder how much longer Spotify will continue to delude themselves that they can take successful podcasts and put them into their walled garden -- turning off legit, public RSS feeds -- and that it will somehow work out for them. Rumor is that Apple is going to launch premium podcasts and turn off access to the iTunes podcast directory in order to have their own walled garden for select, paid podcasters. Eventually these companies will figure out that OPEN is the only way to go but they will lose money on their walled gardens in the mean time.
- ipsum2 6y agoWhy do you think so? Almost all TV shows are exclusive to their platforms, and they're doing fine. What makes audio different?
- throwaway3699 6y agoPodcasting is talk radio but born in internet form. Copying and widespread sharing is part of its DNA, much like YouTube videos.
- chrisco255 6y agoExisting podcast ecosystem is already entrenched. I'm in the process of disentangling myself from all tech monopolies and people are wiser to it now more than ever. TV shows began on network TV. The whole point of podcasting was anyone can start one. Unlike TV shows, it's quite easy from a technical perspective to host a podcast. Audio talk shows don't have to be high bitrate. Honestly I think stranglehold on video will similarly fade away when high speed internet is highly available everywhere.
- gizmo385 6y ago> I'm in the process of disentangling myself from all tech monopolies and people are wiser to it now more than ever. I don't think most people will go through the hassle of disentangling themselves from tech monopolies. What's the benefit? For most people, having everything managed by Google/Apple/Facebook is a benefit rather than a bad thing. > The whole point of podcasting was anyone can start one. Has this changed?
- TrevorJ 6y agoStreaming services are still significantly more frictionless than what came before it. Moving podcasts into a walled garden makes them harder to access than what we have now.
- mikece 6y agoTV didn't start out as an open standard using RSS.
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- pharke 6y agoIt started out as syndicated broadcast media that you could subscribe to for a one time purchase of a receiver.
- akiselev 6y agoThe point is that you couldn't publish without an FCC license, which required deep pockets. Publishing an RSS feed requires a host and a domain, which can be had today for a grand total of $70/year if one goes with the cheapest DigitalOcean VPS or under $20/year if one does a little research. Hosting a few MP3s and a text file that can be downloaded in a few seconds is a lot cheaper and easier than a video streaming setup (or a 10-20 kilowatt broadcast transmitter).
- ohples 6y agoHosting audio is a multiple orders of magnitude easier then video, which means platforms don't have as much value to add.
- Spivak 6y agoThis completely ignores the fact that hosting costs don't really matter. If Spotify can make more money on new subscriptions than they paid some content creator for exclusivity then it's worth it to them. And if the content creator gets more money by selling their exclusivity to some platform than they got for ads then it's worth it to them too.
- lotsofpulp 6y agoAnd if listeners don’t cancel their subscriptions in response, then Spotify bet correctly. But it’s nearly trivial to record audio of yourself talking to someone, so if a sufficient number of people want to consume the content Spotify doesn’t want to host, I’m betting they will be able to find it elsewhere by a different podcast.
- IneffablePigeon 6y agoThey don't need to add value for the end user if they can control the scarce resource (content) by buying it up and providing more lucrative monetisation options for creators. Their play is a hybrid of a streaming service and an adtech giant, and I imagine they're keeping their options open to see whether it pays to keep both sides of that model open or to pick one. Either way, one of the reasons I don't like what they're doing is because I can see it working. Besides all that, there is some value to having all of your audio in one app.
- lotsofpulp 6y agoAssuming enough listeners put up with it. I don’t see it lasting though, the barrier to entry is low and I bet talking to other people is a talent that many people have.
- xadhominemx 6y agoWhy wouldn’t it work out for them?
- tootie 6y agoPremium podcasts already exist in the wild, but there's no way in hell Apple could just shut down a market as big as free podcasts. The next player to arise will be Google who is going to press their products for programmatic advertising.
- gsich 6y agoPodcasts without RSS feeds are not podcasts anymore.
- danjac 6y agoSpotify has basically invented this new thing called "radio".
- bibinou 6y agoSeems like it's regulars getting nixed. Maybe they asked for a cut of the money?
- txsoftwaredev 6y agoJust being on the show was some amazing free advertisement for your book/show etc. for the guests. I really don't see why they would ask for money.
- aksss 6y agoOr maybe Joe has less idle cycles, or maybe some of them are actually put off by the sell out. many things could be at play there.
- pharmakom 6y agoPiracy is proving an important defence against censorship. Do your part by paying for and then torrenting that movie!
- gherkinnn 6y agoWell that’s silly. Spotify knew exactly what they bought.
- zero_deg_kevin 6y agoAnd Rogan knew exactly who he was signing with (a risk-averse media company). Two parties voluntarily decided to do business according to some mutually agreeable terms. None of this should be surprising or outrageous to anyone...but, here we are.
- gherkinnn 6y agoAlso true. It’s a source of outrage that keeps on giving. Though I wish that more people were outraged at the fact that video podcasts are not done well in Spotify. Now that’s the real problem.
- cicero 6y agoSo they appear to have mutually agreed to remove content to conform to the prevailing pressure to restrict public discourse to only politically correct content. While it is certainly their right to make any business arrangement they want, it is distressing that open conversation continues to shrink in our world, whether it be through unilateral cancelation or mutual agreement for the sake of money.
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- markdown 6y ago> it is distressing that open conversation continues to shrink in our world Are you sure about that? When has talk about Bigfoot, moon landing conspiracies, the government turning frogs gay, and other such nonsense been welcome in "open conversation"?
- nbardy 6y agoSince the dawn of time.
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- itsoktocry 6y agoI think it's because they have anti-adblocking tech. Imagine being media in 2021 and denying access to your site based on adblocking? I instantly close the site. What are they providing that I can't get elsewhere? What are they providing beyond the headline?
- danso 6y agoI've never heard of the digitalmusicnews.com but I submitted it as the URL for this story, because all other mainstream news sources cited it as the site that first noticed and broke the news: https://www.thewrap.com/spotify-deletes-joe-rogan-podcast-episodes/ https://www.thewrap.com/spotify-deletes-joe-rogan-podcast-ep... https://www.huffpost.com/entry/spotify-deletes-controversial-episodes-joe-rogan-experience_n_606f1330c5b6865cd299fee3 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/spotify-deletes-controversial...
- tartoran 6y agoI am happy to close the site too. If they want to feed me abusive advertising they’re no friend and wouldn’t trust their info anyway.
- kjakm 6y ago>> Rogan, on the other hand, has confirmed that Spotify removed certain shows as a condition of their $100 million agreement with him. “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform, and I was like ‘okay, I don’t care’,” Rogan shared in a recent interview with guest Fahim Anwar. It's part of their deal. Nothing to see here.
- chrisco255 6y agoThe fans care.
- insickness 6y agoMore loyal than the king.
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- mpfundstein 6y agoin the end, everyone sells out for money...
- shoulderfake 6y agoyou'd be stupid not to
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- CyberRabbi 6y agoWell put. He even passively admitted to allowing the censorship in a recent episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3to9t3r9ZQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3to9t3r9ZQ
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- novok 6y agoCan you get those episodes elsewhere?
- AzzieElbab 6y agoOne day I will also buy something for 100M just to slowly nullify its value
- boringg 6y agoThats how you show that you have real power.
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- jordache 6y agoThe 10 mins of ads preceding every JRE episode (which is PIA to skip in 30sec increments on my apple watch) is one reason i stopped listening. Oh and the fact that almost every guest is a comedian or MME fighter.. two categories that are barely compelling to me.
- sn_master 6y ago> almost every guest is a comedian or MME fighter. I always skip both, yet sure spent many many hours watching JRE. Top viewed videos guests are (just pulled it right now from PowerJRE channel, in order of view count) https://www.youtube.com/c/joerogan/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid https://www.youtube.com/c/joerogan/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow... * Elon Musk * Alex Jones * Edward Snowden * Ben Shapiro * Neil deGrasse Tyson * Michael Osterholm (Biden's top COVID advisor a year before he got that position) * Bernie Sanders * Kanye West * Robert Downey Jr. * Dr Phill And the list goes on. All comedians and MMA fighters are at the bottom of the view count, easy to skip if you just sort the views.
- AzzieElbab 6y agoRogan hosted Eric Weinstein(highly recommend super personal interview), Brian Green, and Dan Crenshaw this week alone.
- S_A_P 6y agoI wonder if/how much the move cost his listener ship. I see in the comments pleas for Joe to come back to Youtube. I dont know why this happens but Spotify does not work with UConnect on my Jeep. It plays for 1-2 seconds and then mutes. Spotify is the only music/audio platform that doesnt work with Uconnect, but that immediately removes it from being played in my car. Long car rides are where I consume podcasts, so no Joe Rogan.
- nitrogen 6y agoCheck if your phone has a per-app setting for "optimize battery usage" or "sleep background apps" or something like that. Spotify was stopping 2 seconds after I turned my phone's screen off, and disabling the battery optimization fixed it.
- S_A_P 6y agoThanks nitrogen- Unfortunately it has been a consistent thing across phones with the common link being my 1 year before apple car play UConnect receiver. Pretty sure that is the culprit. It will works with an iPhone cable connected(but I hate cables in my car), but bluetooth audio does not(spotify only) I dont see any preference for battery usage for spotify and I have background app refresh enabled.
- notional 6y agoI don't listen to Rogan anymore but I'm knee deep into MMA and I constantly see complaints about spotify by other people in my young male demo. Even people who have a spotify sub hate it because their video player is terrible compared to yt. Then there's tons of people who don't have spotify so they mostly stopped besides clips that get posted to yt. Could be just a thing of a mad vocal minority, but every time his mma interviews pop up it's filled with massively upvoted comments complaining about spotify.
- willhinsa 6y agoAnecdotal, but post-Spotify, I have probably watched less than 10% as much as I used to--paying Spotify customer as well. The Spotify video/podcast UX is awful.
- dkdk8283 6y agoWhen the deal was announced, and before the videos were pulled, I archived everything
- throwawaysea 6y agoWhere can I find an archive online? I am really disappointed that Spotify is removing all these episodes, and have refused to give their podcasts any attention as a result.
- commandlinefan 6y ago> Where can I find an archive online? If there was one, Spotify would sue to have it taken down. The goal of censorship isn't to remove "offensive" content from Spotify: the goal is to remove it from existence, completely, as though it had never been.
- bpodgursky 6y agoI don't know why there are downvotes. Spotify holds the rights to the episode, and would absolutely file a takedown request. There's no "but they aren't making it available!" copyright exception.
- dna_polymerase 6y agoHere's the archive: https://pastebin.com/s9JupqqD https://pastebin.com/s9JupqqD Good luck suing. Will be fun to watch news coverage about the uTorrent guy suing torrenters.
- marsrover 6y agoYou should upload it all to https://ipfs.io/ https://ipfs.io/
- Nbbbi 6y agotype in the N word to Spotify — prepared to be shocked. on IG (soundcloud) I noticed some wildly racist old song. music is exempt from social justice but open discussion and bad jokes are not.
- txsoftwaredev 6y agoSpotify employees seem to have no issue with songs about killing police, assaulting women, bashing gays etc. Just listen to a mainstream rapper like Eminem and there is plenty to get offended about, if they cared too. A tame lyric for example: “But I may fight for gay rights, especially if that dyke is more of a knockout than Janay Rice/Play nice? Bitch I’ll punch Lana Del Rey right in the face twice, like Ray Rice in broad daylight in the plain sight of the elevator surveillance/’Til her head is banging on the railing, then celebrate with the Ravens.”
- markdown 6y agoSome art is supposed to offend. If you want your antivaxxer theories, bigfoot stories, and moon landing conspiracies on Spotify, sing a song.
- astrange 6y agoI think plenty of people have tried to cancel Eminem already. Mainly nobody tries to do it lately because he's gone soft and nobody likes his new music. It's still technical but feels like a dad trying to hang out with the cool kids.
- mensetmanusman 6y agoSo JR should have auto tuned his episodes and called it music.
- DC1350 6y agoWhat's special about podcasts that makes them so much more offensive than music? There's lots of songs that are so much worse.
- readflaggedcomm 6y agoPodcast presenting problematic ideas seriously persuade more effectively, like non-fiction contrasted with fiction.
- txsoftwaredev 6y agoSo you believe that a podcast episode that is listened to once by a user is more likely to have an influence and be "problematic" than a song that is listened to daily and memorized?
- tayo42 6y agoWhat songs have caused a problem? I've been hearing how music is dangerous my whole life, Eminem, Marilyn Manson even Britney spears yet society hasn't fallen. People are unable to think critically about misleading arguments put out by manipulative internet talkers
- astrange 6y agoIt's pretty dangerous for the performer if you look at how many rappers die young.
- snurfer 6y agoWhat are some examples of "problematic ideas"?
- mensetmanusman 6y agoIt will be a few months before songs start getting banned.
- k_bx 6y agoOff-topic but still makes me sad: Spotify removed all episodes of Joe Rogan for me by removing podcasts feature from Ukrainian (and not only) users. I’m a paid user btw. Worst part is that since JRE is free for such large part of internet users, it’s impossible to find on torrents unless it’s Elon Musk or similar. Sigh.
- tartoran 6y agoCan you find it on Youtube?
- k_bx 6y agoNo, only short clips are uploaded there now.
- sn_master 6y agoHe stopped uploading full episodes since beginning of this year. Only select clips get uploaded now. Good amount of comments is about lack of comments in Spotify. A lot of us come to a video mostly to interact with the comments, as we already are familiar with the content. Different channels have entirely different comments. e.g. same piece on CNN will have VERY different view points vs the same video posted on Fox News. Channels like Joe Rogan are good in that you can find a more balanced comment section with both opposing viewpoints being respected or disrespected, more or less equally.
- weaksauce 6y agoyou can't use a vpn?
- snurfer 6y agoThis seems analogous to Howard Stern moving from terrestrial radio to satellite radio. Big financial win for the star, but ultimately less accessible content for the casual listeners. That being said, I think every show has been pirated and is available for download somewhere.
- drcongo 6y agoI really hope this continues until I no longer have to hear the words "I heard on the Joe Rogan podcast..." followed by some fully anti-science nonsense from the overly credulous. That show has a lot to answer for.
- snurfer 6y agoLook on the bright side: people are talking about (and thinking about) topics they might not normally be exposed to. The blame for lack of critical thought skills might fall more upon our parents and educators than Joe Rogan.
- drcongo 6y agoRogan talking about vaccines causing autism, faked moon landings, 911 conspiracies and whatever other nonsense falls out of his empty head gives it enough of a whiff of respectability that other people give credence to this rubbish. He's dangerous and I find his popularity among the mostly very smart HN community completely baffling. David Icke isn't given the same pass, so why is Rogan?
- snurfer 6y agoThose sound like topics worthy of debate. Hopefully you take advantage of the opportunity to provide counterpoints to Rogan's "nonsense" when it presents itself. What's "dangerous" is the intolerance of thought that permeates society right now. We seem to have lost the ability to listen and then respond. I always thought Joe Rogan might be more of an Art Bell-type personality. Personality, not authority.
- claaams 6y agoHe has conservative conspiracy extremists (and white ethno-fascists) on his show, amplifying their insane ideology, and he avoids any responsibility or blame for it.
- motohagiography 6y agoThe tech platforms have a meekness problem. Rogan's payday secures his family's future for the next few generations because he did some funny fancy talking to some weirdos on the internet, so good for him. On the censorship issue, meh, there's nothing to add, it's not a discussion or rational discourse. We can only hope the alternative is entertaining.
- klyrs 6y agoWhat do you mean, "meekness"? They got flak for hosting rogan in the first place. Now they're getting flak for taking down a small fraction of his content. Outrage, engaged! Are they "meek" because they're doing something you disagree with, are they "meek" for doing something you agree with, or is choosing a middle path necessarily meekness?
- motohagiography 6y agoTo be precise, Spotify and other platforms have been cowed into dropping episodes and people because they are afraid of the anonymous histrionics from small mobs. The same goes for every other platform. They directly enable and reward the very people they seem to fear. Do the platforms think these mobs can be appeased, or that they will relent once you satisfy them? They've negotiated with terrorists and compromised everyone else in the process. This is their meekness problem.
- klyrs 6y agoBut what if the people making the decisions agree with the people you're describing as a terrorist mob? What if some of them do, and some of them don't, and this compromise reflects the diverse viewpoints of the people involved? Or what if it's a purely monetary decision, where hosting rogan is expected to be more profitable than not, and removing a few of his more controversial casts is expected to be more profitable still? In calling them meek, you're making a value judgement. They're weak because you see them as relenting to outside pressure. But that's what businesses do -- they chase money, and to do that effectively means following the whims of the market. And people are entitled to their own opinions, which may differ from your own. Neither is meekness.
- cjdell 6y agoJoe should get on to LBRY / Odysee. It would be the tipping point in moving to decentralised platforms. He'd probably make a killing too as LBRY makes it really easy to tip content creators.
- tootie 6y agoWhy would he do that when Spotify gave him $100M and he isn't upset that they're doing this?
- staticelf 6y agoHe probably is upset, but then he logs on to his online back and see the numbers, then he calms down. It's only human, I would gladly do a lot of shit against what I believe in for even $1 million USD.
- idownvoted 6y agoWhom does Spotify try to aquisice here? Their users? Their content creators? Or rather their staff? All 3 groups could be possible reasons. But given how little median content creators matter to the organization, users and staff are more likely. But if it were the users, then why buy Joe Rogan's users at all? Especially at a record braking price? This makes me believe it's more likely staff. If that is the case one has to wonder: is this generally the sad mental state of tech workers? Or is it rather a few employees who, emboldened by cancel-culture, will toss their political agenda around the office while other employees, intimidated by cancel-culture, shy away from calling out the obvious BS?
- nickysielicki 6y agoIt's been reported in the past that it is staff. Spotify has 5,000+ employees -- I wouldn't assume for a second that it's the tech workers doing this, I suspect it's probably HR and marketing and so on. It's a big bureaucratic organization. I like to think if I was at Spotify, and I saw people holding the company hostage like this -- threatening to quit (or whatever) if they don't get their way -- that I would stand up and threaten to do the same if they do get their way. If the only way to remove the ability of these people to make threats is to create a lose-lose situation for your employer, then you have a responsibility to do that. If enough companies see this happen and are forced to navigate a needless lose-lose situation, maybe we'll see companies take a harder position against advocacy and activism and politics in the workplace. If all else is equal, hopefully they'll be forced to take the position that they would have taken if nobody threatened anything; they'll fall back to their actual principles.
- whimsicalism 6y agoI'm curious where the line is for you. Is there any legal content where it is permissible that Spotify doesn't want to host it?
- nickysielicki 6y agoDefinitely, but Joe Rogan is nowhere near that line. I don't have a problem with the platform restricting content. I have a problem with the behavior of the employees reaching outside of their role to forward their political goals. If your job is to curate content, and you disagree with the content of JRE, you would have stopped the deal from happening in the first place.
- colllectorof 6y agoGotta love the constant movement of goalposts and gaslighting around this. As in many other cases it started with claims that nobody intends to censor any content during the move. Then when deletions actually took place the narrative radically shifted to the claim that content removal was always the obvious, natural and reasonable course and there should be no controversy, because it was inevitable all along.
- luckylion 6y agoSounds like they took a page from Ulbricht (Walter, not Ross!): "Nobody has any intention of building a wall", then shortly after starting construction of a wall to imprison the citizens of East Germany, and calling it "the antifascist bulwark". The GDR soldiers that shot fleeing citizens in the back were praised as heroes that defended the glorious Soviet Republic against traitors.
- c06n 6y agoAnother great quote: "It [the installation of a socialist government in East Germany] has to look democratic, but we must control everything."
- HKH2 6y agoJoe himself constructed that narrative and he knew what he signed up for. $100m does that to people. Does anyone need to say that SV is left-leaning? Some of us bought into the idea that Joe's contract protected him from censorship, but now we know that's not the case.
- GhostVII 6y agoI don't know why Spotify removes Joe Rogan episodes, but keeps homophobic songs like "Where the hood at" (particularly relevant today) on the platform. Pretty sure that song is far worse than anything said on Rogan. I guess that song is older than Rogan's podcast episodes, and music isn't usually as serious as a podcast. But still kinda funny they remove Joe Rogan episodes, but allows songs talking about how they won't be friend with gay people. Still enjoy the song though.
- golemiprague 6y agoTheir political opinions are pretty clear, it has nothing to do with principles, just which team you choose. They chose the "progressive" and that means certain content done by white people is taboo while whatever black people do is ok. No surprises here
- admeyer 6y agoI am a long-time listener, but I am highly selective. The majority of the removed episodes in this list are the type of episodes that I skip. If I am going to spend 3 hours, I like to spend it with guests of the caliber of Bryan Fogel, Moxie Marlinspike, et al. I feel JRE is at its best when Joe is sitting across from someone who is from a different planet.
- throwawaysea 6y agoI would like to cancel my Spotify because of this. Does anyone know of any suitable alternative that isn't so heavy-handed with moderation and censorship? I found an app (https://freeyourmusic.com/ https://freeyourmusic.com/) that lets you transfer playlists between different music services, but I am not sure who the 'least evil' provider is.
- glonq 6y agoIronically, I stopped listening to JRE around the same time that spotify picked him up. The guy's just too much of a dumbass.
- brown9-2 6y agoThe opening lines of this article are a great example of how to write alarmist copy: > Just last week, Digital Music News first reported that 40 different Joe Rogan Experience podcast episodes were found missing from Spotify, now the exclusive platform for the show. Now, that number has quickly grown to 42 It quickly grew by 2!
- paxys 6y agoDon't know why Joe Rogan is treated like some free-speech messiah and Spotify the villain. If he was really that adamant on getting his message out there he would have kept his podcast free. Instead he chose a $100M payday (and the associated censorship terms), and here we are.
- Gravyness 6y agoIf paper is so cheap, how come books be so expensive?
- paxys 6y agoBooks are free. Marketing is expensive.
- Method-X 6y agoIsn’t his podcast still free? I already have a paid account so I honestly don’t know.
- busymom0 6y agoHis podcast is still free - just needs to be viewed via Spotify. He's a hypocrite considering he's commented how he's pro free speech and likes talking to controversial people but then he goes along with it himself.
- yazaddaruvala 6y agoMy personal preference is for Spotify to leave Rogan's content on their platform with disclaimers, so I can best decide if/how I listen to it. However, this is not a free speech issue. "free speech" only makes sense in the context of government regulation (vs individuals/corporations), because governments have a monopoly on violence. As soon as two non-government entities are "regulating each other", it is a matter of mutual free speech. e.g. what about the free speech of Spotify? There is no hypocrisy here. Rogan can still be pro-"free speech" given that is in the context of government regulation. Rogan can also still be pro-"anti censorship" in terms of stifling competition (which a lot of people conflate with "free speech"). However, Rogan is running a business and so is Spotify, they made a mutually beneficial deal, no competition was stifled.
- anonu 6y agoThis sucks for Joe and I can't say i didn't see it coming. What would you do: take $100 million and get silenced? Or refuse the money and remain independent? Also the listening/viewing experience on spotify is horrible. I used to get podcasts on my app of choice and have the YouTube videos running in the background. I've definitely stopped listening as much
- bellyfullofbac 6y agoReading some comments here enlightened me... "It sucks for Joe"? He's got 100 million reasons he agreed to this arrangement, I don't think he gives a shit. Yeah you hurt for him because you think he's suffering under the censorship, but if I were him I'd just laugh at my brainwashed loyal fans, as well as at Spotify which is filling his bank account and is rewarded with hate by a lot of parties (the Joe fanboys, the Joe haters, the Joe haters employed by them...).
- emerged 6y agoI’ve listened to Rogan episodes for years, and often really enjoy them. I honestly at this point think he’s top tier sociopath who has been playing both political sides for years. He cashed in, he won. That’s all.
- busymom0 6y agoInteresting discussion by two lawyers on "Can Joe Rogan be SUED for False Reps on Spotify?": https://youtu.be/NQkJvM84mRU https://youtu.be/NQkJvM84mRU
- perryizgr8 6y agoIn similar news, I continue to ignore podcasts on spotify. This mixing of purpose is harmful to the service in the long term. I wish nothing except failure for spotify podcasts.
- sytelus 6y agoWhy didn’t they just put warning that claims in these podcasts are not verified? I don’t understand tech righteousness and superiority what other people can and cannot listen. In this case, the thing sis already published, it’s already marked for mature audience. Why certain committees feel so superior of themselves that people cannot be allowed to listen some interviews? They even blocked coffee maker because his views on longevity is too controversial? Wtf?
- illustriousbear 6y agoHackerNews usually: But they're a private company, they can do what they want!!! Reality is Spotify and other companies are trying to corner the podcast market, this is going to lead to more censorship in this space. You might be inclined to say creators can just avoid these platforms but it will become harder not to use those platforms when looking for an audience. Rogan despite portraying a right leaning / freedom of speech angle doesn't actually really care so it's not surprising he just grabbed the money and accepted censorship.