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VW sees EVs making up 90% of Norway sales in 2021

64 points by clouddrover 6y ago

clouddrover 6y ago
Current Norwegian BEV registrations: https://elbilstatistikk.no/ https://elbilstatistikk.no/ Volkswagen currently has 7 models in the top 25 selling BEVs for 2020: Audi e-tron, VW e-Golf, VW ID.3, Skoda Citigo, Volkswagen e-Up!, Porsche Taycan, and SEAT Mii.
- kozak 6y ago
  But three of those 7 models (eUp, Citigo, and Mii) should count as one, beucase they are the same car, manufactured at the same assembly line with different badges.
mtgx 6y ago
The VW emissions scandal and them being forced to switch to EVs in the US as part of the settlement/punishment (which by the way was also a suggestion Elon Musk made before it happened), is probably what will save VW in the long-term. It really started a fire underneath them that they couldn't just ignore, as most other carmakers, including VW continued to have the ingrained thinking that EVs are just a "fad" or a "niche market" that they need to address "somehow", but mostly not put a lot of effort into it. Tesla Model 3 having 400,000 pre-orders in week 1 probably freaked out most carmakers, too, though. I'm glad VW, as well as other carmakers have realized by now that EVs are the future of the vast majority of road vehicles, and there is nothing stopping it.
- gambiting 6y ago
  >>The VW emissions scandal and them being forced to switch to EVs in the US as part of the settlement/punishment Has that actually happened? From my perspective the ongoing exodus towards EVs is due to EU enforcing incredibly strict emissions standard, basically from this year every manufacturer has to have a fleet average of 100g of CO2/km traveled, with very heavy fines paid for every single car sold above that level(it has already led to Mercedes completely stopping sales of AMG vehicles since September until the end of the year, because they are so badly over the threshold), and then in few years the required average drops to 75g of CO2/km and then 50g. Those targets are bonkers, and impossible to achieve on pure ICEs(the 100g target is maybe just possible, but definitely not the 75 or 50g ones). So every manufacturer who sells cars in EU has to innovate and has to move towards PHEVs and BEVs, because otherwise it will be simply impossible to sell any cars at a profit over here. VW of course knows this and that's why there is such a strong push from their entire group towards electric vehicles. I have no idea what impact the US market had on this, but from my perspective it was zero - just like American manufacturers have pulled out even further from EU, European manufacturers are simply cutting out all models that are hard to sell in US due to their regulations.
  - mtgx 6y ago
    >From my perspective the ongoing exodus towards EVs is due to EU enforcing incredibly strict emissions standard Actually, the EU, pushed hard by Merkel, delayed and diluted the next-gen emissions standard, because they would've hurt the German car industry too much (go figure). https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24532284 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24532284 https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-car-emissions-pollution-how-germany-lost-battle/ https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-car-emissions-polluti... And the German carmakers are STILL fighting the new standards in 2020: https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/automakers-ask-eu-delay-latest-euro-6-emissions-standard https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/automakers-ask-eu-del...
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    Hybrids are great! So setting a goal that's impossible to meet with pure ICE isn't bonkers.
    - gambiting 6y ago
      You're misunderstanding me. The goals were bonkers in the sense that the average goal was set way below pretty much every vehicle on the market - so the day it was announced, there were maybe 2-3 compliant models. Bonkers as in - "crazy" low. Not that they are bad. I myself drive a PHEV and my next car is definitely going to be a full electric.
      - virgilp 6y ago
        Do you know when are those reductions to 75/50g set to go into effect? I've been hoping to move to electric vehicles for a while now but unfortunately the infrastructure is lacking, it's simply not practical to do so. I'm hopeful though that with these changes there will be more investment in electric recharging infrastructure.
  - odshoifsdhfs 6y ago
    One thing I don't understand is how the EU public will afford this. I drive a Plugin Hybrid, but since moving from my old place and living in an apartment, I have no where to charge it. The closest charging station is around 12km from me and has 2 plugs (it is in an Aldi). After that there is another on 4-5 km after also with 2 plugs and one is mostly out of service. I am all for lower emission vehicles, but most people in my country live in apartments, a lot of them without garages even. What will people do? (I end up charging my car at my parents when I need, but even so it is a PITA as I have to leave it there for a few hours and then walk back home for 10-15 minutes)
seibelj 6y ago
The Norwegian EV incentives: No purchase/import taxes (1990-) Exemption from 25% VAT on purchase (2001-) No annual road tax (1996-) No charges on toll roads or ferries (1997- 2017). Maximum 50% of the total amount on ferry fares for electric vehicles (2018-) Maximum 50% of the total amount on toll roads (2019) Free municipal parking (1999- 2017) Parking fee for EVs was introduced locally with an upper limit of a maximum 50% of the full price (2018-) Access to bus lanes (2005-). New rules allow local authorities to limit the access to only include EVs that carry one or more passengers (2016) 50 % reduced company car tax (2000-2018). Company car tax reduction reduced to 40% (2018-) Exemption from 25% VAT on leasing (2015) Fiscal compensation for the scrapping of fossil vans when converting to a zero-emission van (2018) Allowing holders of driver licence class B to drive electric vans class C1 (light lorries) up to 4250 kg (2019) https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/ https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/ The fact EVs are successful is great! But don’t pretend it isn’t because taxpayers subsidize their success.
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  On the other hand gas and diesel vehicles are effectively subsidized by getting to release CO2 for free.
  - seibelj 6y ago
    I wish it weren’t the case, but the mining of rare earth materials is quite hazardous as well as the electricity production that powers EVs. We are mostly moving the environmental damage to other places. However if we can get to renewable energy (nuclear power, as solar panel manufacturing has a lot of damage as well currently) then we can truly be carbon neutral. The best thing to say about EVs is that air quality in dense areas is better, at the cost of electricity being produced by dirty methods in (hopefully) more sparse areas.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
      Am I right in believing an EV has a lower carbon output per unit distance than an ICE vehicle even if charged by thermal coal power?
KingOfCoders 6y ago
Top 5 2020 Audi E-tron 8022 Volkswagen Golf 4971 Nissan Leaf 4451 HYUNDAI Kona 4183 Tesla Model 3220 https://elbilstatistikk.no/ https://elbilstatistikk.no/
- dzhiurgis 6y ago
  Wow Tesla is not doing too great there. Wonder if that is supply or demand problem.
  - lazyjones 6y ago
    At the moment they aren't, true. Most likely a demand problem. But there are more Model S on the road in Norway than Model 3.
    - dzhiurgis 6y ago
      I guess when you combine all of them they still in the lead. Unsure how it's gonna play out in the future tho. Pretty much every manufacturer got an EV car now and it's not built in a tent in California. I kinda feel Tesla should licence their strong suits (infotainment, batteries and motors) or outsource their weaknesses (voice control, body/panel, service).
      - KingOfCoders 6y ago
        3,S and X combined are 3944 for 2020 if I haven't made a mistake, still 5th - but unsure what you wanted.
    - KingOfCoders 6y ago
      Yes around 16%, 21k S and 18k 3 (according to the website).
- fyfy18 6y ago
  How does this compare to non-EV sales?
ericvanular 6y ago
Great stuff. Would be awesome for you to share this with the community over at https://collective.energy https://collective.energy if you're willing OP

64 points by clouddrover 6y ago

Current Norwegian BEV registrations: https://elbilstatistikk.no/ https://elbilstatistikk.no/ Volkswagen currently has 7 models in the top 25 selling BEVs for 2020: Audi e-tron, VW e-Golf, VW ID.3, Skoda Citigo, Volkswagen e-Up!, Porsche Taycan, and SEAT Mii.

kozak 6y ago
But three of those 7 models (eUp, Citigo, and Mii) should count as one, beucase they are the same car, manufactured at the same assembly line with different badges.

mtgx 6y ago

The VW emissions scandal and them being forced to switch to EVs in the US as part of the settlement/punishment (which by the way was also a suggestion Elon Musk made before it happened), is probably what will save VW in the long-term. It really started a fire underneath them that they couldn't just ignore, as most other carmakers, including VW continued to have the ingrained thinking that EVs are just a "fad" or a "niche market" that they need to address "somehow", but mostly not put a lot of effort into it. Tesla Model 3 having 400,000 pre-orders in week 1 probably freaked out most carmakers, too, though. I'm glad VW, as well as other carmakers have realized by now that EVs are the future of the vast majority of road vehicles, and there is nothing stopping it.

gambiting 6y ago
>>The VW emissions scandal and them being forced to switch to EVs in the US as part of the settlement/punishment Has that actually happened? From my perspective the ongoing exodus towards EVs is due to EU enforcing incredibly strict emissions standard, basically from this year every manufacturer has to have a fleet average of 100g of CO2/km traveled, with very heavy fines paid for every single car sold above that level(it has already led to Mercedes completely stopping sales of AMG vehicles since September until the end of the year, because they are so badly over the threshold), and then in few years the required average drops to 75g of CO2/km and then 50g. Those targets are bonkers, and impossible to achieve on pure ICEs(the 100g target is maybe just possible, but definitely not the 75 or 50g ones). So every manufacturer who sells cars in EU has to innovate and has to move towards PHEVs and BEVs, because otherwise it will be simply impossible to sell any cars at a profit over here. VW of course knows this and that's why there is such a strong push from their entire group towards electric vehicles. I have no idea what impact the US market had on this, but from my perspective it was zero - just like American manufacturers have pulled out even further from EU, European manufacturers are simply cutting out all models that are hard to sell in US due to their regulations.
- mtgx 6y ago
  >From my perspective the ongoing exodus towards EVs is due to EU enforcing incredibly strict emissions standard Actually, the EU, pushed hard by Merkel, delayed and diluted the next-gen emissions standard, because they would've hurt the German car industry too much (go figure). https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24532284 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24532284 https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-car-emissions-pollution-how-germany-lost-battle/ https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-car-emissions-polluti... And the German carmakers are STILL fighting the new standards in 2020: https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/automakers-ask-eu-delay-latest-euro-6-emissions-standard https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/automakers-ask-eu-del...
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  Hybrids are great! So setting a goal that's impossible to meet with pure ICE isn't bonkers.
  - gambiting 6y ago
    You're misunderstanding me. The goals were bonkers in the sense that the average goal was set way below pretty much every vehicle on the market - so the day it was announced, there were maybe 2-3 compliant models. Bonkers as in - "crazy" low. Not that they are bad. I myself drive a PHEV and my next car is definitely going to be a full electric.
    - virgilp 6y ago
      Do you know when are those reductions to 75/50g set to go into effect? I've been hoping to move to electric vehicles for a while now but unfortunately the infrastructure is lacking, it's simply not practical to do so. I'm hopeful though that with these changes there will be more investment in electric recharging infrastructure.
- odshoifsdhfs 6y ago
  One thing I don't understand is how the EU public will afford this. I drive a Plugin Hybrid, but since moving from my old place and living in an apartment, I have no where to charge it. The closest charging station is around 12km from me and has 2 plugs (it is in an Aldi). After that there is another on 4-5 km after also with 2 plugs and one is mostly out of service. I am all for lower emission vehicles, but most people in my country live in apartments, a lot of them without garages even. What will people do? (I end up charging my car at my parents when I need, but even so it is a PITA as I have to leave it there for a few hours and then walk back home for 10-15 minutes)

seibelj 6y ago

The Norwegian EV incentives: No purchase/import taxes (1990-) Exemption from 25% VAT on purchase (2001-) No annual road tax (1996-) No charges on toll roads or ferries (1997- 2017). Maximum 50% of the total amount on ferry fares for electric vehicles (2018-) Maximum 50% of the total amount on toll roads (2019) Free municipal parking (1999- 2017) Parking fee for EVs was introduced locally with an upper limit of a maximum 50% of the full price (2018-) Access to bus lanes (2005-). New rules allow local authorities to limit the access to only include EVs that carry one or more passengers (2016) 50 % reduced company car tax (2000-2018). Company car tax reduction reduced to 40% (2018-) Exemption from 25% VAT on leasing (2015) Fiscal compensation for the scrapping of fossil vans when converting to a zero-emission van (2018) Allowing holders of driver licence class B to drive electric vans class C1 (light lorries) up to 4250 kg (2019) https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/ https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/ The fact EVs are successful is great! But don’t pretend it isn’t because taxpayers subsidize their success.

Dylan16807 6y ago
On the other hand gas and diesel vehicles are effectively subsidized by getting to release CO2 for free.
- seibelj 6y ago
  I wish it weren’t the case, but the mining of rare earth materials is quite hazardous as well as the electricity production that powers EVs. We are mostly moving the environmental damage to other places. However if we can get to renewable energy (nuclear power, as solar panel manufacturing has a lot of damage as well currently) then we can truly be carbon neutral. The best thing to say about EVs is that air quality in dense areas is better, at the cost of electricity being produced by dirty methods in (hopefully) more sparse areas.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
    Am I right in believing an EV has a lower carbon output per unit distance than an ICE vehicle even if charged by thermal coal power?

KingOfCoders 6y ago

Top 5 2020 Audi E-tron 8022 Volkswagen Golf 4971 Nissan Leaf 4451 HYUNDAI Kona 4183 Tesla Model 3220 https://elbilstatistikk.no/ https://elbilstatistikk.no/

dzhiurgis 6y ago
Wow Tesla is not doing too great there. Wonder if that is supply or demand problem.
- lazyjones 6y ago
  At the moment they aren't, true. Most likely a demand problem. But there are more Model S on the road in Norway than Model 3.
  - dzhiurgis 6y ago
    I guess when you combine all of them they still in the lead. Unsure how it's gonna play out in the future tho. Pretty much every manufacturer got an EV car now and it's not built in a tent in California. I kinda feel Tesla should licence their strong suits (infotainment, batteries and motors) or outsource their weaknesses (voice control, body/panel, service).
    - KingOfCoders 6y ago
      3,S and X combined are 3944 for 2020 if I haven't made a mistake, still 5th - but unsure what you wanted.
  - KingOfCoders 6y ago
    Yes around 16%, 21k S and 18k 3 (according to the website).
fyfy18 6y ago
How does this compare to non-EV sales?

ericvanular 6y ago

Great stuff. Would be awesome for you to share this with the community over at https://collective.energy https://collective.energy if you're willing OP