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Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited packages of seeds
- burlesona 6y agoWow, weird. Also I can’t imagine getting a box of seeds in the mail (unsolicited) and thinking to myself, “I should plant these and see what comes up!” Edit, found more about this here: https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/local/virginia/virginia-department-of-agriculture-warns-residents-of-seeds-from-china/65-2e195255-f7e9-46bf-8bea-f711415af3c3 https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/local/virginia/vir... Along with a story of a Chinese National attempting to transport birds into Virginia which are known to be transmitters of Avian flu.
- notatoad 6y ago>Also I can’t imagine getting a box of seeds in the mail (unsolicited) and thinking to myself, “I should plant these and see what comes up!” different strokes for different folks i guess, but that is absolutely something i would do. or would have done if they'd arrived in may, planting in august is kinda pointless where i live.
- londons_explore 6y agoYeah - I'd totally plant them... In fact, I have. My seeds arrived about 2 years ago, from China, entirely unannounced, and directed to my address in London, but with no name. They turned out to be strawberries. Nothing unusual about them as far as I can taste... They inspired me to make a service for other people to get random gifts from China... [1] [1]: https://erraticpacket.com https://erraticpacket.com
- 1996 6y agoCan you make it be about seeds? There's something fun and magic about not knowing in advance what you will get. The examples you give like a bike repair kit are not really enticing.
- londons_explore 6y agoEaster egg: Put "seed" after your surname on the sign-up form and it'll use a seed whitelist I just made.
- Firerouge 6y agoI believe this now makes you the cheapest subscription monthly order seed service. You might have some trouble marketing this angle though, what with the hysteria over seeds from China right now.
- 1996 6y agoCan you please recommend other similar services? I only need that from spring to summer. My greenhouse isn't setup yet.
- Firerouge 6y agoI'm afraid I can't, I haven't used any of them. From googling there appears to be quite a few, both curated and otherwise, what I saw ranged from $3 per shipment to $15+
- Scoundreller 6y agoI find a lot of the Chinese eBay sellers have a... bizarre... assortments of items for sale. I fear, one day, I'll order some USB cables, and get stuck having to explain to someone why child-sized lingerie has been shipped to my name. So far, the only gross error I've had was a getting sent hairclippers instead of a Dreamcast controller. Could've used the clippers, but wrong voltage :(
- 1996 6y agoSame. I can't believe the FUD that's going on. What's the worst that can happen with a seed?? It will not open a portal to another dimension! A plant will just grow out of it. You keep it inside and take a picture and you will know if you will get nice flowers, or vegetables, or...nothing. Just leaves. As a kid I loved to plant seeds in plastic cups and see what grew out of it, and trying additives to see if they could help the plant grow. Once I grew a little tomato, and ate it. I didn't drop dead from tomato consumption. It's innocent and safe. The government should have no business regulating what people do with seeds.
- kvothe_ 6y ago"Ignorance is bliss." You are either a chinese shill or very ignorant.
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y agoThere's no need to be rude or accusatory.
- dang 6y agoYou can't post like this here. Please read the rules: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- xzel 6y agoInvasive species are mostly bad for ecosystems. They introduce a lot of unknowns. There is nothing safe for neither humans nor wildlife about possibility introducing invasive species.
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y agoImagine they’re Asparagus asparagoides. Oops! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asparagus_asparagoides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asparagus_asparagoides
- klipt 6y agoOr Dendrocnide moroides: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrocnide_moroides#Toxicity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrocnide_moroides#Toxicity
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y agoNasty! Keen to try it though.
- amelius 6y agoDon't try this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchineel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchineel
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y agoI wonder if the toxins have been screened for usefulness for humans, either as pesticides or medicines etc?
- amelius 6y agoThere's probably still some untapped potential, but Wikipedia says: > A gum can be produced from the bark which reportedly treats edema, while the dried fruits have been used as a diuretic.
- catlifeonmars 6y agoIn the photos, those look like morning glory seeds.
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago> Along with a story of a Chinese National attempting to transport birds into Virginia which are known to be transmitters of Avian flu. > Um... China... what’s the deal? China's a country of over a billion people. Let's not attribute the actions of individuals to sinister top-down plot from the CCO politboru until there's actual evidence.
- chrischen 6y agoIt’s still a country that has a massive portion of the population that’s poor. If you want the poor people in the world to stop trying everything they can get some of your money then vote for more income equality initiatives and cut your own salary. This type of behavior is endemic with poverty and can be seen with Nigerian princes, Indian call center scams, or just your friendly San Francisco neighborhood bike thief. This behavior has more to do with poverty and income inequality than Chinese people (or people of any country or race for that matter).
- cvhashim 6y agoYou can’t fart in China without CCP knowing exactly who did it. Nefarious acts would be extremely hard to get away with it.
- stareatgoats 6y ago> You can’t fart in China without CCP knowing exactly who did it I seriously doubt that. It's a police state, but let's not exaggerate, eh?
- hedora 6y agoIf they had caught a European with a pet bird I doubt they’d be trying to claim it was evidence of an international bioterrorism ring.
- josephcsible 6y agoTrue, but the reason why would be carrying "a pet bird" vs. "a bag of dead birds", not the person being European vs. Chinese as you're trying to imply.
- dylan604 6y agoIt's clearly the first line of a deeply rooted plot. These plants, when fully grown, will be identifiable from special satellites. They just have to get enough unwitting people planting them as well to make the strategic plants from sticking out.
- DoreenMichele 6y agoKudzu was the first wave. This deeply rooted plot goes way back.
- jimmaswell 6y agoI've never noticed kudzu, but those invasive spiky water chestnuts that hurt to step on all over the Hudson are the real biological warfare.
- kalium-xyz 6y agoHeh, remember tumble weeds are an invasive species from Russia.
- dylan604 6y agoThat's just a hoax of an investigation. Tumble weeds were from the wild west days. It too was clearly part of the plot from China. As they built the railroads, they were doing their version of Johnny Appleseed dropping the tumble weed seeds. The whole of the US Southwest was a lush garden like area until these tumble weeds took over and turned it into a desert.
- sbelskie 6y agoWhat?
- ArnoVW 6y agoWhile we are on tumbleweed, I suggest this video on tumbleweed by the excellent GCP Grey: https://youtu.be/hsWr_JWTZss https://youtu.be/hsWr_JWTZss
- sukilot 6y agoThat seems like hysteria. Yes, birds can potentially carry bird flu. Also, Chinese culture is more open-minded about animal consumption than USA culture and health safety laws. Culture clash is more likely explanation than bio warfare. If you want to smuggle bird flu into USA, are you really going to do it in a bag of whole dead birds, and not some processed form that is more convenient and less suspicious?
- modeless 6y agoWe're in the middle of a global pandemic quite possibly caused by Chinese people consuming animals that shouldn't be consumed. "Open minded" is not the right description for this behavior.
- Orochikaku 6y ago>animals that shouldn't be consumed Implying there are 'correct' animals to consume
- Natsu 6y agoSome meats are associated with disease (including those eaten in western countries, like trichinosis from pork) and others are not.
- modeless 6y agoThere are definitely incorrect animals to consume. I have no problem stating that it is wrong to consume animals from wild populations of species that harbor viruses potentially capable of infecting humans and causing a global pandemic. Also endangered species. If that's controversial, well, it shouldn't be.
- coronasaurus 6y ago> infecting humans and causing a global pandemic Kinda like the swine flu?
- violetgarden 6y agoI can’t either! I’m surprised at the comments saying they totally would. I guess I remember the anthrax scare when I was little, so unsolicited packages have always freaked me out a bit.
- tzs 6y ago> Also I can’t imagine getting a box of seeds in the mail (unsolicited) and thinking to myself, “I should plant these and see what comes up!” Is that just because of the fear you might spread an invasive species, or is there some other risk trying to grow an unknown plant entails?
- samus 6y agoIt might turn out to be poisonous. If you can't precisely identify what you grow, get rid of it. To reduce contamination risk, roast it to a crisp, bleach or otherwise sterilize it. This doesn't just apply to exotic plants, but also to most plants of the family Apiaceae, as they can be hard to correctly identify and tell apart. Needless to say, many of them are noxious, poisonous or invasive, some all three of them, like the giant hogweed.
- blackflame7000 6y agoI guarantee you there is at least one person who thinks a giant bean stalk will grow.
- changoplatanero 6y agoI got some in the mail a few weeks ago and thought about planting them. I've ordered seeds from the internet in the past and so I just assumed that I must have ordered these at some point and forgot about it.
- nine_k 6y agoAll you may need is to throw the biodegradable package in trash. On a landfill site, where the seeds will arrive, they will grow and possibly even prosper.
- rootsudo 6y agoThere are tons of random reports of this too on Reddit and 4Chan, it's interesting to read and see the screenshots. You have random people saying the Government is lying and they'll plant it anyway to people saying it's typical Chinese Amazon scams to harvest reviews.
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- sukilot 6y ago> harvest Indeed. This seems the obvious Occam razor Earring seller orders/sends fake earring packages and posts fake reviews. With the trade war and espionage stuff heating up the cold war with China, one wonders if the Chinese Communist Party crack down on this to try to defend China's reputation and conserve their political capital for more substantial attacks on US, or encourage it to antagonize US into war? What happens if US Customs cracks down on Chinese import fraud and drives up the cost of importing product? I always thought that cracking down on illegal-in-US behaviors like pollution and worker mistreatment would be a more morally defensible and socio-economically beneficial trade battle than arbitrary and capricious tariffs.
- cthalupa 6y agoI've seen two people on facebook talking about receiving these seeds unsolicited. Mail was addressed specifically to them, at their address. Weird.
- Bellyache5 6y agoWell the Chinese Communist Party has the personal information of at least 44% of all Americans thanks to their hack of Equifax so it probably wasn't too hard for them to do a mail merge. https://www.npr.org/2020/02/10/804501991/chinese-hackers-charged-in-alleged-cyber-theft-of-145-million-americans-data https://www.npr.org/2020/02/10/804501991/chinese-hackers-cha...
- evan_ 6y agothey might also be able to get their hands on a copy of the white pages
- q_andrew 6y agoThis is delightfully mysterious. Is this a biological disruption attack? An unlucky shipping glitch? The real answer is probably more boring but I'd like to believe it's something nefarious!
- hnick 6y agoIf it is an attack and we stop it, I suppose the next step is embedding seeds directly into biodegradable cardboard packaging. No one will think twice about tossing that without cooking to neutralise it.
- vikramkr 6y agoThat is super weird. I imagine it wont be long till the seeds are identified, but whatever the story is behind these, its bound to be at least mildly interesting.
- Twirrim 6y agoWashington State Department of Agriculture is also warning people about it: https://www.facebook.com/WAStateDeptAg/?__cft__[0]=AZVWz_jA-UdNpf-LzsvTtBmT8nBvluS2Oadn4btVgMpqoxdvGraFekj77yEsakXYaCPxascMjb1qDvQQoQqIeTiQCon95Wr4w9bJTIECyyPQSRgc9lKN-Aj2InL6HMXKPsYLMDrZmeYZ4dL5vho52lwVeINuEH8hNVRwXstsAxsKYydsrKcc-W7XqF_ahKpOmXg&__tn__=-UC%2CP-y-R https://www.facebook.com/WAStateDeptAg/?__cft__[0]=AZVWz_jA-... Friends in the UK are reporting it happening there, and are being advised to either burn or boil seeds for several minutes. Anyone know what this is about, what the actual purpose is?
- YarickR2 6y agoAll we need now is the day of the triffids .
- ben509 6y agoIt sounds very alarmist, but on a close reading, it makes two observations: 1. We have no idea what kind of seeds they are, and they could be invasive. 2. The packages originate from China. The juxtapoisition of the fact that they could be invasive and that the packages originate from China make it sound like a Chinese plot. They never actually connect those dots, though.
- Natsu 6y agoWe have two carriers sitting in the ocean near China right now due to tensions regarding their oceanic claims and Hong Kong, so people are a bit tense right now.
- elliekelly 6y agoI find it kind of hard to believe the United States government hasn’t identified the seeds. I bet I could get a reasonably close ID with a photo of the seeds and Google. Surely there’s at least one government lab and several dozen government scientists capable of figuring it out.
- evan_ 6y agoThere might not be. The USDA is a ghost town. Trump’s Ag Secretary abruptly (and possibly illegally) moved all of the research to Kansas City and a huge number of scientists didn’t make the move. https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/759053717/critics-of-relocating-usda-research-agencies-point-to-brain-drain https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/759053717/critics-of-relocati...
- mountainboot 6y agoI got a letter from my representative "thanks for allowing me to represent you...". Along with the letter came a package of seeds.
- kalium-xyz 6y agoI wonder if this is an attack by a single or a small group of individuals against countries they dislike. This sounds like something you'd do if you wanted to make a dent that way as a regular person.
- evan_ 6y agoIt isn’t really even clear that it is an attack...
- kalium-xyz 6y agoI never stated this to be an attack.
- abootstrapper 6y ago> "I wonder if this is an attack"
- catalogia 6y agoThat's not a contradiction.
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- evan_ 6y agoI didn't mean to imply you had. We're all trying to figure this out together.
- wyxuan 6y agoIt's called brushing and basically a Chinese seller sends something cheap (like seeds, or trinkets) and then creates a review from "someone in the US". The shipping portion is necessary because they need the tracking info for the sale to be counted. edit:oops, accidentally mixed up churning with brushing. churning is something else
- walrus01 6y agoNot just that but there's also a method where the product name and photo is edited later. So they ship one dollar items and later edit it to be something much more valuable on amazon.
- skellera 6y agoThere are so many items that have reviews for obviously different items right now. I’ve seen it on a lot of COVID related items like no contact thermometers. Should be easy to catch these.
- paulie_a 6y agoPeople take a good listing and rename everything for some fake piece of shit product. It's incredibly despicable people are finding a way to risk people's lives over covid for a dollar in profit
- duskwuff 6y agoThat's a longstanding Amazon bug. As I understand it, a seller can "hijack" the reviews of another product that's no longer available by registering their product as a variant of the existing one.
- godelski 6y agoOne person's bug is another person's feature.
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- duxup 6y agoI guess you don't have to be there if you mail them out, but man if you were for some reason wanting to spread an invasive species.... you could just plant the seeds yourself.... You would also be able to target what you might want to happen and where. Random individuals would seem sort of silly to target unless it spread dramatically or was something else. Just doesn't make a lot of sense as a sort of intentional invasive species thing.
- jerezzprime 6y agoThe receiver will just throw the seeds in the garbage, and depending on the hardiness of the seeds, that is as good as planting them in the garbage dump.
- sasaf5 6y agoWhen I visited my local garbage dump with school I was impressed with the number of pumpkin plants growing out of the piles of garbage. I wonder why pumpkins grow so well there.
- emmelaich 6y agoPumpkins grow well anywhere!
- duxup 6y agoDumps are pretty deep. Not that many are going to grow and ... still seems way inaccurate way to do a thing.
- wolco 6y agoI've heard about this on plant and gardening groups on facebook only yesterday. Glad to see it reach the top. I can't figure out why..
- zxcvbn4038 6y agoDidn’t the last guy who planted seeds from China end up with a golden harp and marrying a princess? “The government of Virginia wishes to clarify there is no such thing as magic beans...”
- akira2501 6y ago> “The government of Virginia wishes to clarify there is no such thing as magic beans...” I wish they'd went with a Glomar Response[0]. "The government of Virginia can neither confirm nor deny the existence of magic beans." [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomar_response https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomar_response
- runnr_az 6y agoIs this how Attack of the Killer Tomatoes began?
- acheron 6y agoI was thinking Little Shop of Horrors.
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- h2odragon 6y agoThe pictures from the VA story look like morning glories; the WA pictures from facebook look like citrus or a melon. I'd think any sort of "bio attack" would use a consistent medium. Seeds are a bitch, too. It's usually hard to hide anything in them, isn't it? That's one of the reasons plants make them, they're less vulnerable to infections etc. "Invasive!" is a boogey man, here. So many things are invasive, especially now. Ask, instead, "could i buy this seed somewhere else grow it legally?" I expect the answer might well be "yes". [VA] https://www.wdbj7.com/2020/07/24/got-seeds-you-didnt-ask-for-dont-plant-them-report-them/ https://www.wdbj7.com/2020/07/24/got-seeds-you-didnt-ask-for... [WA] https://www.facebook.com/WAStateDeptAg/photos/a.10151025620032906/10158364331247906/ https://www.facebook.com/WAStateDeptAg/photos/a.101510256200...
- leptoniscool 6y agoThe government can't tell me what to do! ;)
- axaxs 6y agoI had this too, but from Ukraine. I didn't get the seeds, just a letter from customs that they had destroyed some seeds that I'd never ordered. Really peculiar.
- afrojack123 6y agoWhat kind of seeds are they?
- josephcsible 6y agoWe don't know for sure, and that's part of what makes this so concerning.
- afrojack123 6y ago4chan is saying its morning glory or hawaiian rosewood. morning glory is aggressive weed. hawaiian rosewood is aggressive vine. perennial wine
- 737min 6y agohttps://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2019/08/chinas-military-pursuing-biotech/159167/ https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2019/08/chinas-military-pur... Some possibly biased but interesting references on Chinese government efforts in this area.
- noisy_boy 6y agoMy 8 year old asked "what if they find out about instructions to burn and mix something that produced dangerous gas upon burning?". I hope she doesn't join a radical militant outfit when she grows up.
- noir_lord 6y agoSounds like she is already too smart for most government anyway.
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- qserasera 6y agoSounds like a seedy operation
- nine_k 6y agoIf I wanted to clandestinely introduce invasive species, I would of course not send seeds from whatever suspicious country to random people. A package marked as e.g. folk art piece would be used, containing seeds, maybe covered with fertilizer, as a filler of an actual e.g. animal figure, or something. The package would arrive to a package consolidation service and packaged, along with some other goods, with a US originating address. That package would be taken by an agent who would rip it and throw it away onto some strip of farming land along a busy road, while driving there at night, reasonably far away from home. The agent would not understand that this action is the "payload" of the mission, and would never associate the incident with the seeds' country of origin. If I can come up with this trivial plan in 5 mins, a secret service would, too. So no, this certainly is not a clandestine operation by a serious nefarious actor, it's a silly e-commerce shtick by a small-time seed seller.
- bbarnett 6y agoUnless.... They are sending these seeds to many people in the US, aka PRC supporters. Or even those pressured to do their work. And they simply got the address wrong, a few times out of thousands. Invasive species can destroy an economy. Devastate it. I'm not saying the PRC is doing this, but if I was trying to harm the US.. I'd do all sorts of evil things like this.
- nine_k 6y agoWe know from history that bad guys sometimes have terribly poor opsec. But again, if I were in charge I would never ever give the people packaging the seeds in China any address in the US except the parcel consolidation service address, or any idea that such other addresses may exist. And look, I did not serve in the secret service a single day. I bet people in the Chinese secret service department that works on clandestine operations abroad are at least as qualified as me.
- jakeogh 6y agoAlso, plausible deniability is a first tier consideration.
- r0m4n0 6y agoReminded me of the agroterrorist theory of the CA medfly https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_California_medfly_attack https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_California_medfly_attac...
- aritmo 6y agoI know this one. They make such phantom sales to increase their standing on the platform (ebay, Aliexpress). The platforms do not know it, they put people to make those fake sales so randoms in US and Europe. In most cases they send hairpins and such stuff, but in this case it happened to be seeds. If the government response is so heavy handed on this stupid issue (sellers trying to trick the platform), imagine how silly other investigations could be.
- fanatic2pope 6y agoConsidering that receiving "unsolicited" seeds from just about anywhere else has exactly the same risk and is entirely legal, this seems to me to be little more than anti-China fearmongering. I've been asking my local state reps to stop the sale of Callery Pear trees (which are invasive and damaging) but they have ignored me for years because the nursereys make a lot of money from them and lobby to keep them legal. Perhaps if I started pointing out that the trees are Chinese/Vietnamese in origin I might get somewhere now.
- gorgoiler 6y agoThis feels extremely creepy. Part of it is the idea that there’s not an enormous amount of authentication with the mail. Any actor could send be sending these — there’s no reason to believe it’s the PLA. My favorite form of this tactic was from The Three Body Problem, where alien invaders make use of remote sabotage to pit nations against one another, in an attempt to weaken human society. If you ever want to invade Mars, first go to amazon.mars and order a bunch of seeds from one country/mons to be delivered to another. You’ll start a diplomatic incident — a war, hopefully — and crush the ecological system at the same time, leaving you a nice weak planet to invade and terraform at your leisure.
- Ma8ee 6y ago> My favorite form of this tactic was from The Three Body Problem, where alien invaders make use of remote sabotage to pit nations against one another, in an attempt to weaken human society. It’s neither original or unusual. Two recent examples are Putin pitting Americans against each other to weaken the US, or supporting Brexit to weaken the EU.
- 082349872349872 6y agolet's you and him fight divide et impera διαίρει καὶ βασίλευε How close is 隔岸觀火? No doubt if I spoke egyptian or sumerian I'd know earlier examples.
- meter 6y agoI live in California, and received a suspicious bag of seeds in the mail after ordering something from Amazon. Happened about one month ago. The seeds were sent in their own small package, with Chinese characters on it. I had heard about these types of shipping scams, but had never experienced it personally until this. I was so intrigued that I immediately planted the seeds for fun (I think they’re cucumbers). I now realize that I was extremely ignorant. I wasn’t aware of the danger of invasive species. Maybe I’m paranoid, but I decided to rip up the plants and throw them away.
- rubans 6y ago> Maybe I’m paranoid, but I decided to rip up the plants and throw them away. Now they can start growing in a landfill somewhere.
- mikro2nd 6y agoPretty unlikely. GP "thinks they were cucumbers". If the plant was already fruiting, there'd be no doubt, so we conclude that the plants were still quite young. No fruit, no seed. No hazard. They're just going to be compost.
- minerjoe 6y ago> danger of invasive species For a good counter to all the "invasive biology" craze see: https://www.amazon.com/Invasion-Biology-Pseudoscience-David-Theodoropoulos/dp/0970850417 https://www.amazon.com/Invasion-Biology-Pseudoscience-David-... He raises many good points. Much damage to the eocology has been done in removing "invasive" species. Now, diseses, those can really devestate. I'd love to still have our (US) chestnut forests.
- wow_no 6y agoI’d like to still have American manufacturing jobs
- stareatgoats 6y agoThanks. I'm somewhat skeptical of the "invasive biology" scare too and would like to collect literature on the subject. Unfortunately I can't afford to buy every book on the subject ("buy used: $336.82", whats up with that?), but I did find a book review which gave a good summary I think: https://www.publish.csiro.au/pc/pdf/PC040070 https://www.publish.csiro.au/pc/pdf/PC040070 He does seem to take an extreme position, but it is sometimes beneficial to take in an extreme counterpoint in order to find the reasonable "middle" ground.
- skunkworker 6y agoThis is also happening in Utah. https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/utah-department-of-agriculture-investigates-mysterious-seeds-sent-from-china-to-tooele https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/utah-department-of-...
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- donatj 6y agoWe got an unsolicited package of seeds in the mail from China like 2 weeks ago! It was super weird. We’d assumed they shipped it to the wrong address or something. I’m not sure what my wife did with them but we certainly didn’t plant them.
- cosmodisk 6y agoSome years ago I decided to buy monkey orchid seeds( it's worth Googling how it looks). Went on Ebay and a few clicks later I made a purchase from some Chinese seller.The seeds arrived eventually and I sent them to my mum. The next time I visited my parents,my mum walked me to the 'orchid', which was a tall grass like plant that every abandoned field has millions of. It turns out you can't buy monkey orchid seeds,as it's almost impossible to grow the plant outside it's natural environment. By the time you could see the results of what's grown, the seller has already spent the money. I lost like $2 in total but I can bet someone's having a nice life in China from this seed business:)
- dccoolgai 6y agoI have an alternate theory here, based on a Planet Money episode a while back: CCP does a lot of espionage on seed companies / Monsanto / etc where they use human carriers to smuggle... Obviously can't do that now with Covid. So what do you do if you need 1 really important package if seeds to get through? Send a million other ones at the same time.
- stevespang 6y agoJust goes to show what many already know that US Customs is like a block of Swiss cheese - - - a lot passes right through It's common knowledge for more than a decade that lot's of weed growers order their fancy clone seeds using prepaid mastercard/visa gift cards from European suppliers who post them in tiny packets and they slip right through US Customs. One guy had a postal box registered with some homeless person's i.d. in case the Feds started snooping around. Vehicles have license plates and stores are full of security cameras. If they are really paranoid they ride bicycles up to the store, wear virus masks and sunglasses using cash to purchase the gift cards.
- monadic2 6y agoWho orders seeds via amazon? It doesn’t strike me as likely to lead to success.