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Where are stop signs hexagons? Am I being a pedantic numpty or am I illustrating a point about the many ways errors creep in, regardless of the natural- or art

Where are stop signs hexagons? Am I being a pedantic numpty or am I illustrating a point about the many ways errors creep in, regardless of the natural- or artificial-ness of the intelligence?

dragosmocrii 6y ago
North America. Where are stop signs not hexagonal?
- dragosmocrii 6y ago
  Oh, I checked, they're octagonal xD
  - FriendlyNormie 6y ago
    Thanks for your brilliant contributions to the discussion so far, dipshit.
  - somberi 6y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C99SZRbw50E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C99SZRbw50E
- parineum 6y ago
  When obscured by overgrowth.
joe_the_user 6y ago
You're being a pedantic. Human beings are tremendously better at driving than machines despite sometimes saying hexagonal rather than octagonal. Humans and current AIs both make mistakes but humans manage a kind of robustness, ability to deal gracefully with unexpected situations, that current AIs don't seem to be progressing towards.
- lopmotr 6y ago
  What happened to sensor fusion? There's no reason self-driving AI has to be as unreliable as toy or research AI. People made these same FUD arguments about computer in cars decades ago. Home computers were unreliable so cars will surely crash if their brakes or throttles are controlled by computers too.
- perl4ever 6y ago
  What humans are good at that machines can't do yet is bullshit justifications for screwing up.
- bufferoverflow 6y ago
  > Human beings are tremendously better at driving than machines Human drivers: 1 death per 88 million miles traveled (in the US) [1] Tesla Autopilot: 5 deaths per 3 billion miles [2] [1] https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state... [2] https://electrek.co/2020/04/22/tesla-autopilot-data-3-billion-miles/ https://electrek.co/2020/04/22/tesla-autopilot-data-3-billio... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_self-driving_car_fatalities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_self-driving_car_fatal...
  - shaklee3 6y ago
    Autopilot isn't used in the same conditions.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - imtringued 6y ago
    Tesla autopilot is just a very fancy form of cruise control. Without corrections by human drivers it will happily run into stationary obstacles.
  - legolas2412 6y ago
    Yeah. Totally makes sense to compare a human driver driving an average 7 year old 30k$ car with not so good safety ratings driven by average person in snowy, rainy pothole ridden roads to a newish 70k$ luxury car with good airbags/crumple zones driven in mostly sunny California roads by mostly young drivers with a driver assistance system. And then for you to argue that the driver assistance system is actually better than a human driver if given the car alone! Wow

Where are stop signs hexagons? Am I being a pedantic numpty or am I illustrating a point about the many ways errors creep in, regardless of the natural- or artificial-ness of the intelligence?

dragosmocrii 6y ago

North America. Where are stop signs not hexagonal?

dragosmocrii 6y ago
Oh, I checked, they're octagonal xD
- FriendlyNormie 6y ago
  Thanks for your brilliant contributions to the discussion so far, dipshit.
- somberi 6y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C99SZRbw50E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C99SZRbw50E
parineum 6y ago
When obscured by overgrowth.

joe_the_user 6y ago

You're being a pedantic. Human beings are tremendously better at driving than machines despite sometimes saying hexagonal rather than octagonal. Humans and current AIs both make mistakes but humans manage a kind of robustness, ability to deal gracefully with unexpected situations, that current AIs don't seem to be progressing towards.

lopmotr 6y ago
What happened to sensor fusion? There's no reason self-driving AI has to be as unreliable as toy or research AI. People made these same FUD arguments about computer in cars decades ago. Home computers were unreliable so cars will surely crash if their brakes or throttles are controlled by computers too.
perl4ever 6y ago
What humans are good at that machines can't do yet is bullshit justifications for screwing up.
bufferoverflow 6y ago
> Human beings are tremendously better at driving than machines Human drivers: 1 death per 88 million miles traveled (in the US) [1] Tesla Autopilot: 5 deaths per 3 billion miles [2] [1] https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state... [2] https://electrek.co/2020/04/22/tesla-autopilot-data-3-billion-miles/ https://electrek.co/2020/04/22/tesla-autopilot-data-3-billio... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_self-driving_car_fatalities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_self-driving_car_fatal...
- shaklee3 6y ago
  Autopilot isn't used in the same conditions.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- imtringued 6y ago
  Tesla autopilot is just a very fancy form of cruise control. Without corrections by human drivers it will happily run into stationary obstacles.
- legolas2412 6y ago
  Yeah. Totally makes sense to compare a human driver driving an average 7 year old 30k$ car with not so good safety ratings driven by average person in snowy, rainy pothole ridden roads to a newish 70k$ luxury car with good airbags/crumple zones driven in mostly sunny California roads by mostly young drivers with a driver assistance system. And then for you to argue that the driver assistance system is actually better than a human driver if given the car alone! Wow