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Coronavirus: Hard-hit Brazil removes data amid rising death toll

229 points by ColinWright 6y ago

coldcode 6y ago
If the data doesn't match what you want, make it fit. In the end of course it's hard to hide dead people.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  You’re gonna notice that, huh. This is a recipe for turning a natural disaster into political one, potentially a crisis of legitimacy.
- uniqueid 6y ago
  The state of the world being what it is, it’s probably doable to cover up thousands or millions of dead people. All most people will know, first hand, is the deaths of their immediate circle. The full extent of the calamity can remain a matter of debate. If there are photos, the government can call them forgeries. If there are anecdotes from health care workers, or in the press, the government can dismiss them as left wing propaganda. And besides, there are bogeymen on whom one can pin all of one’s own mistakes. Perhaps Soros and Bill Gates developed an electricity-based bio-weapon, and unleashed it, over TCP/IP, to decimate the people of Brazil.
  - Sawamara 6y ago
    Darn, now after 5G, even TCP/IP is attacking us? What is next, morse code?
    - uniqueid 6y ago
      I hear the deep state hired an Austin-based choreographer to develop weaponized TikTok dances.
- darkmarmot 6y ago
  It's actually easier to hide dead people than living people because you don't have to feed them.
rewoi 6y ago
US: SARS-CoV-2 disappeared over night. No need to flatten the curve anymore.
- kgwgk 6y ago
  Not protesting to demand an end to systemic racism represents a much larger public health risk than the virus, it seems.
  - gbpz 6y ago
    The virus does not and will never care about cause or justification.
    - DagAgren 6y ago
      Nobody has said or implied it does.
  - zaroth 6y ago
    The lockdown itself carries significant public health risks. There’s a Reuter’s article [1] which gives a high level overview, but I’m still looking for a good scientific paper with dollar and lost person-years of lifespan estimates from all the direct and indirect side-effects of the lockdown. IMO once policy makers start picking and choosing preferred causes which are more worthy than the lockdown, then the lockdown is effectively over. I am hopeful that we won’t see a large spike in cases in the coming weeks, and perhaps this can serve as a datapoint that we can continue opening up more broadly. In the meantime we have massive groups in close proximity, often chanting/yelling for long periods of time which the data indicates is a very high risk environment. A homemade mask is not going to provide reliable protection while protesting for hours with thousands of people. Stop once to sip a bottle of water and that barrier is compromised. If asymptomatic spread of a deadly pathogen leads to the conclusion that we must be social distancing, then mass protests are deadly, and not just to the protestors themselves. Likewise, if it’s OK for people to mass protest, then it’s OK for people to go to church, for example. Picking and choosing which social or political topics are deemed worthy of mass gatherings to me is unconscionable. [1] - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-cost-special-r/special-report-how-the-covid-19-lockdown-will-take-its-own-toll-on-health-idUSKBN21L20C https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-co...
bwb 6y ago
Any HNers in Brazil? How are things going in your area?
- diegoholiveira 6y ago
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  - spyremeown 6y ago
    Same as him. Our state is doing quite OK. Early quarantine and 1st world measures to stop spreading. Other states, not so much. Brazil is big and different, it's not all the same melting pot. edit: The president is an ass, though. F* fascist idiot.
- tarsiswt 6y ago
  Things are looking pretty grim. The president insists on downplaying the disease and keep making appearances on anti-democratic rallies -- against recommendations from his own health ministry, mind you. Many brazillians have somewhat nostalgic feelings towards the military dictatorship and I feel like that has gotten worse. Everything is just highly polarized and the pandemic is discussed mostly in terms of politics. Maybe that's just the bubble I'm in but I can't help the feeling that the worst is yet to come.
  - ufo 6y ago
    > against recommendations from his own health ministry, Not anymore, now that Bolsonaro has fired two (!) health ministers and put a worthless yes-man in charge. And we thought it was bad enough when he fired the first health minister to put a yes-man in his place. It turned out that the first yes-man wasn't spineless enough for Bolsonaro so he also got fired.
    - marcosdumay 6y ago
      > and put a worthless yes-man in charge Wait, when did he put somebody in charge? I though the position was empty.
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turrini 6y ago
The data is available here: https://transparencia.registrocivil.org.br/especial-covid https://transparencia.registrocivil.org.br/especial-covid
- satya71 6y ago
  I don't understand Portuguese, but all the charts are at 0 now. That can't be right.
  - spyremeown 6y ago
    I do. They basically stopped updating the database. We were getting 1000+ deaths/day. They say they're going to "recount" because they don't trust the numbers are right. Everyone here knows it's just a political move.
    - turrini 6y ago
      Sorry but this is incorrect. The numbers are being updated once a day at 10 pm. And yes, the actual and previous numbers are under investigation by the Federal Police.
      - spyremeown 6y ago
        Dude, look at the graph on the given link above. Deaths literally went from 1000+ to 61 yesterday. Also, in the main panel [1] the gov. quit updating the total death count and does not let you download the .csv like they did before, but still keep the total death count for the day. [1] https://covid.saude.gov.br/ https://covid.saude.gov.br/
        turrini 6y ago
        That's a dashboard, read the about section that explains it. Here is the CSV: https://mobileapps.saude.gov.br/esus-vepi/files/unAFkcaNDeXajurGB7LChj8SgQYS2ptm/c6949e9ad47392ef2a7307641cc014a0_HIST_PAINEL_COVIDBR_05jun2020.xlsx https://mobileapps.saude.gov.br/esus-vepi/files/unAFkcaNDeXa...
pelasaco 6y ago
the data is available here: https://covid.saude.gov.br/ https://covid.saude.gov.br/
lucis 6y ago
Not only that, but the government has also removed data from several sources about Brazil's public health system (SUS). It's not possible, right now, to analyze the underreporting of COVID deaths since the data regarding deaths in the country [1] was zeroed. [1] https://opendatasus.saude.gov.br/group/dados-do-coronavirus https://opendatasus.saude.gov.br/group/dados-do-coronavirus
htk 6y ago
Hard to take this article serious, they compare Brazil to other countries in number of deaths like all countries had the same number of people, they talk about the number of infections being not reliable like it's not a widespread problem in almost every nation, etc. Discussions about COVID are already politicized, and discussions of politics and COVID are obviously even more, so readers have nowhere to run, they have only extremely polarized views and need to try to "average" them out.
- sizeofchar 6y ago
  Yes, Brazil is very far from being hard hit. We aren’t having colapse in our health system. This death count is mostly inevitable, by the nature of the disease. It is indeed much lower than predicted by March, where some were pointing numbers as high as 500k deaths by May.
silveira 6y ago
I have been using https://github.com/wcota/covid19br https://github.com/wcota/covid19br which pulls data from each brazilian state. However, the military government will start to fudge the numbers even further. They are moving numbers from covid-19 to any other deaths. All other numbers of causes of death are spiking. All this with a brutal underreporting of covid-19 deaths. I lost another family member yesterday. A young mother of 2 girls.
- 411111111111111 6y ago
  Meanwhile in Germany ppl are complaining that the government's response is too drastic and that the danger is way overblown. There other day I was literally told that all the measures that were taken probably don't work because the infections were already getting less days before they came into effect. I'm sometimes confused how far apart the general opinion on platforms such as hn is compared to people you encounter in real life.
  - apexalpha 6y ago
    If you do it right the virus and the consequences will be invisible to people. It is very hard to convince people of the possible effects of something they can't feel, see or experience directly. See the whole climate change inaction. Which is basically a pandemic that we DO have a warning for, years and years in advance. It's getting even worse now in my country because the media got tired of Covid and switched to BLM. Making the virus feel even more distant and invisible.
    - bamboozled 6y ago
      I noticed this too, the news is the news, and I guess it's ordered chronologically and not necessarily importance. Not saying BLM protests aren't important exactly, but what happened to climate change, corona virus?
      - gameswithgo 6y ago
        and an insane president (both usa and brazil) we have a lit of big problems and no ability to make progress on any because the majority or congress backs the insane president and even the most innocent of ideas becomes political immediately. masks? fascism! insane president has a good idea on accident? liberals hate it to spite him. :(
caiobegotti 6y ago
For the data-driven folks I highly recommend https://brasil.io/covid19/ https://brasil.io/covid19/ as a source for numbers on coronavirus in Brazil as official figures are completely tainted now.
personlurking 6y ago
According to Worldometers data [1], Brazil is currently trending, on a global level, 1st in new cases, 1st in new deaths, 2nd in overall deaths and, within a few days from now, 2nd in total deaths. Real estimates are said to be up to 6x official numbers. I really wish the Youtube videos [2] by Atila Iamarino, a PhD in Virology, were available in English. I couldn't recommend him enough. He's done 21 talks on the situation in Brazil and elsewhere, and often mentions how the official data lies. 1 - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 2 - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSTlOTcyUmzvhQi6F8lFi5w/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSTlOTcyUmzvhQi6F8lFi5w/vid...
- Findeton 6y ago
  BTW Spain is using the same tactics to basically say there are no new deaths. But there are.
  - hadrien01 6y ago
    Do you have a source?
    - Findeton 6y ago
      https://www.ft.com/content/77eb7a13-cd26-41dd-9642-616708b43673 https://www.ft.com/content/77eb7a13-cd26-41dd-9642-616708b43...
      - genezeta 6y ago
        While I do not doubt for a minute that there has been and there is a lot of number fudging (both intentional and not), that link is 1.5 months old. I point it out just to mean that the data is not current and as such can hardly reflect the current situation. This [1] seems to have more current data about excess deaths. [1] https://momo.isciii.es/public/momo/dashboard/momo_dashboard.html#nacional https://momo.isciii.es/public/momo/dashboard/momo_dashboard....
thanatropism 6y ago
It’s almost hopeless to really understand Brazil from the outside. On the one hand, response to Coronavirus has been really frakked at the top messaging level; if not a full-on denialist, Bolsonaro seems blinded by the existence of a jobs-deaths tradeoff and can’t seem to work with it. He’s not a terribly sharp person. On the other, there’s a lot riding on making things look worse than they are. And every time you read something bemoaning how un-excellent someone like Orban is, you have to factor who’s rooting for them to fall. There is always a bigger story. —— Edit: Jesus, dang, why is a perfectly reasonable reply to this comment [dead]?
- xxxtentachyon 6y ago
  I’m totally out of the loop on Hungary. Who’s hoping for Orban to fall, and why is that problematic for Hungary?
  - panpanna 6y ago
    First time I hear people rooting for orban to fall due to his Corona politics. I mean, the guy is normally batshit crazy and I expected him to blame Gates and Soros for the virus... but his response so far has been surprisingly good.
- pelasaco 6y ago
  that's true. It's true that Bolsonaro isn't being able to deal with the media and normally overreacting and being paranoid. However you have a giant part of the media rooting for them to fail. Worse is better for huge part of the global media, and to see a Political leader which doesn't fit failing, is priority number one of the media today. Watching the news in Brazil, looks that Brazilian government is doing what they can, but you don't build at least 30 years of missing infrastructure in 6 months. That's for sure not Bolsonaro's fault.
  - trocado 6y ago
    > Political leader which doesn't fit He doesn't fit because he's more incompetent, more corrupt, more egocentric, emptier of any moral values, more oblivious to the interests of his co-citizens, than any other political leader ever was (in Brazil and elsewhere), right?
ck2 6y ago
There are a few other poor/dense countries that are headed for a bad year too sadly. Also note for every death there are many survivors that will have lifelong heart/lung problems. https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=bra&areas=mex&areas=usa&areas=gbr&areas=can&areas=ind&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&cumulative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=0&values=deaths https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=bra&areas=mex&are...
- rmsaksida 6y ago
  Minor nitpick but Brazil is not a dense country. It is actually much less dense than the USA. It isn't particularly poor either, but it is very unequal.
renatovico 6y ago
I Work in an OTA, when this started i thinked am really fuck, just because: I live here (São Paulo state) the company dependents roughly of the people’s free going to any place, the first resolution of my bosses is stay home, perhaps because the hq is in Rio de Janeiro, the everyone in company started in home office, changes in whole organization to “new life”, after this initially impact the changes, i think what’s our sell, the travel or the dream ? People need assisting now around the world, and people wants the vacation for next year and for Christmas, and well all back to normality. We stays in our home at least this month maybe august. It is hard for the northern and center of Brazil because this states really need the travel now, we really work with tour supply chain to raise money for him to help the chain. But it’s not common in others ota
- chkaloon 6y ago
  Sorry, what is an OTA? Travel Agency?
  - renatovico 6y ago
    Yes online travel agency
ColinWright 6y ago
I've been tracking reported cases and deaths from the ECDC[0] data[1] for some months now. I've added Brazil to the chart ... here is the most recent plot of deaths: https://www.solipsys.co.uk/images/ECDC_DeathsLinear.png https://www.solipsys.co.uk/images/ECDC_DeathsLinear.png The horizontal axis is in "days since reported deaths exceeded 100" [0] European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control [1] https://opendata.ecdc.europa.eu/covid19/casedistribution/csv https://opendata.ecdc.europa.eu/covid19/casedistribution/csv
- pvaldes 6y ago
  An "all Europe" variable would be an interesting addition to this plot.
  - ColinWright 6y ago
    Plotted separately, the scales make it hard to plot in a single diagram: https://www.solipsys.co.uk/images/Europe_Deaths_linear.png https://www.solipsys.co.uk/images/Europe_Deaths_linear.png
dannykwells 6y ago
This might work in the short term, but excess mortality will ultimately come out and tell the truth, unless Bolsanaro wants to claim those that died are still living (don't put it past him).
hkai 6y ago
Not to disagree with the premise of the article, but in the previous pandemic at some point we just stopped counting the cases. We settled on the estimate that 10 to 15% of people in the world got it. Now that we know the death rate of this virus is roughly 0.4% and it's widespread enough, is it time to also stop counting every single case?

229 points by ColinWright 6y ago

coldcode 6y ago

If the data doesn't match what you want, make it fit. In the end of course it's hard to hide dead people.

ashtonkem 6y ago
You’re gonna notice that, huh. This is a recipe for turning a natural disaster into political one, potentially a crisis of legitimacy.
uniqueid 6y ago
The state of the world being what it is, it’s probably doable to cover up thousands or millions of dead people. All most people will know, first hand, is the deaths of their immediate circle. The full extent of the calamity can remain a matter of debate. If there are photos, the government can call them forgeries. If there are anecdotes from health care workers, or in the press, the government can dismiss them as left wing propaganda. And besides, there are bogeymen on whom one can pin all of one’s own mistakes. Perhaps Soros and Bill Gates developed an electricity-based bio-weapon, and unleashed it, over TCP/IP, to decimate the people of Brazil.
- Sawamara 6y ago
  Darn, now after 5G, even TCP/IP is attacking us? What is next, morse code?
  - uniqueid 6y ago
    I hear the deep state hired an Austin-based choreographer to develop weaponized TikTok dances.
darkmarmot 6y ago
It's actually easier to hide dead people than living people because you don't have to feed them.

rewoi 6y ago

US: SARS-CoV-2 disappeared over night. No need to flatten the curve anymore.

kgwgk 6y ago
Not protesting to demand an end to systemic racism represents a much larger public health risk than the virus, it seems.
- gbpz 6y ago
  The virus does not and will never care about cause or justification.
  - DagAgren 6y ago
    Nobody has said or implied it does.
- zaroth 6y ago
  The lockdown itself carries significant public health risks. There’s a Reuter’s article [1] which gives a high level overview, but I’m still looking for a good scientific paper with dollar and lost person-years of lifespan estimates from all the direct and indirect side-effects of the lockdown. IMO once policy makers start picking and choosing preferred causes which are more worthy than the lockdown, then the lockdown is effectively over. I am hopeful that we won’t see a large spike in cases in the coming weeks, and perhaps this can serve as a datapoint that we can continue opening up more broadly. In the meantime we have massive groups in close proximity, often chanting/yelling for long periods of time which the data indicates is a very high risk environment. A homemade mask is not going to provide reliable protection while protesting for hours with thousands of people. Stop once to sip a bottle of water and that barrier is compromised. If asymptomatic spread of a deadly pathogen leads to the conclusion that we must be social distancing, then mass protests are deadly, and not just to the protestors themselves. Likewise, if it’s OK for people to mass protest, then it’s OK for people to go to church, for example. Picking and choosing which social or political topics are deemed worthy of mass gatherings to me is unconscionable. [1] - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-cost-special-r/special-report-how-the-covid-19-lockdown-will-take-its-own-toll-on-health-idUSKBN21L20C https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-co...

bwb 6y ago

Any HNers in Brazil? How are things going in your area?

diegoholiveira 6y ago
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- spyremeown 6y ago
  Same as him. Our state is doing quite OK. Early quarantine and 1st world measures to stop spreading. Other states, not so much. Brazil is big and different, it's not all the same melting pot. edit: The president is an ass, though. F* fascist idiot.
tarsiswt 6y ago
Things are looking pretty grim. The president insists on downplaying the disease and keep making appearances on anti-democratic rallies -- against recommendations from his own health ministry, mind you. Many brazillians have somewhat nostalgic feelings towards the military dictatorship and I feel like that has gotten worse. Everything is just highly polarized and the pandemic is discussed mostly in terms of politics. Maybe that's just the bubble I'm in but I can't help the feeling that the worst is yet to come.
- ufo 6y ago
  > against recommendations from his own health ministry, Not anymore, now that Bolsonaro has fired two (!) health ministers and put a worthless yes-man in charge. And we thought it was bad enough when he fired the first health minister to put a yes-man in his place. It turned out that the first yes-man wasn't spineless enough for Bolsonaro so he also got fired.
  - marcosdumay 6y ago
    > and put a worthless yes-man in charge Wait, when did he put somebody in charge? I though the position was empty.

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turrini 6y ago

The data is available here: https://transparencia.registrocivil.org.br/especial-covid https://transparencia.registrocivil.org.br/especial-covid

satya71 6y ago
I don't understand Portuguese, but all the charts are at 0 now. That can't be right.
- spyremeown 6y ago
  I do. They basically stopped updating the database. We were getting 1000+ deaths/day. They say they're going to "recount" because they don't trust the numbers are right. Everyone here knows it's just a political move.
  - turrini 6y ago
    Sorry but this is incorrect. The numbers are being updated once a day at 10 pm. And yes, the actual and previous numbers are under investigation by the Federal Police.
    - spyremeown 6y ago
      Dude, look at the graph on the given link above. Deaths literally went from 1000+ to 61 yesterday. Also, in the main panel [1] the gov. quit updating the total death count and does not let you download the .csv like they did before, but still keep the total death count for the day. [1] https://covid.saude.gov.br/ https://covid.saude.gov.br/
      - turrini 6y ago
        That's a dashboard, read the about section that explains it. Here is the CSV: https://mobileapps.saude.gov.br/esus-vepi/files/unAFkcaNDeXajurGB7LChj8SgQYS2ptm/c6949e9ad47392ef2a7307641cc014a0_HIST_PAINEL_COVIDBR_05jun2020.xlsx https://mobileapps.saude.gov.br/esus-vepi/files/unAFkcaNDeXa...

pelasaco 6y ago

the data is available here: https://covid.saude.gov.br/ https://covid.saude.gov.br/

lucis 6y ago

Not only that, but the government has also removed data from several sources about Brazil's public health system (SUS). It's not possible, right now, to analyze the underreporting of COVID deaths since the data regarding deaths in the country [1] was zeroed. [1] https://opendatasus.saude.gov.br/group/dados-do-coronavirus https://opendatasus.saude.gov.br/group/dados-do-coronavirus

htk 6y ago

Hard to take this article serious, they compare Brazil to other countries in number of deaths like all countries had the same number of people, they talk about the number of infections being not reliable like it's not a widespread problem in almost every nation, etc. Discussions about COVID are already politicized, and discussions of politics and COVID are obviously even more, so readers have nowhere to run, they have only extremely polarized views and need to try to "average" them out.

sizeofchar 6y ago
Yes, Brazil is very far from being hard hit. We aren’t having colapse in our health system. This death count is mostly inevitable, by the nature of the disease. It is indeed much lower than predicted by March, where some were pointing numbers as high as 500k deaths by May.

silveira 6y ago

I have been using https://github.com/wcota/covid19br https://github.com/wcota/covid19br which pulls data from each brazilian state. However, the military government will start to fudge the numbers even further. They are moving numbers from covid-19 to any other deaths. All other numbers of causes of death are spiking. All this with a brutal underreporting of covid-19 deaths. I lost another family member yesterday. A young mother of 2 girls.

411111111111111 6y ago
Meanwhile in Germany ppl are complaining that the government's response is too drastic and that the danger is way overblown. There other day I was literally told that all the measures that were taken probably don't work because the infections were already getting less days before they came into effect. I'm sometimes confused how far apart the general opinion on platforms such as hn is compared to people you encounter in real life.
- apexalpha 6y ago
  If you do it right the virus and the consequences will be invisible to people. It is very hard to convince people of the possible effects of something they can't feel, see or experience directly. See the whole climate change inaction. Which is basically a pandemic that we DO have a warning for, years and years in advance. It's getting even worse now in my country because the media got tired of Covid and switched to BLM. Making the virus feel even more distant and invisible.
  - bamboozled 6y ago
    I noticed this too, the news is the news, and I guess it's ordered chronologically and not necessarily importance. Not saying BLM protests aren't important exactly, but what happened to climate change, corona virus?
    - gameswithgo 6y ago
      and an insane president (both usa and brazil) we have a lit of big problems and no ability to make progress on any because the majority or congress backs the insane president and even the most innocent of ideas becomes political immediately. masks? fascism! insane president has a good idea on accident? liberals hate it to spite him. :(

caiobegotti 6y ago

For the data-driven folks I highly recommend https://brasil.io/covid19/ https://brasil.io/covid19/ as a source for numbers on coronavirus in Brazil as official figures are completely tainted now.

personlurking 6y ago

According to Worldometers data [1], Brazil is currently trending, on a global level, 1st in new cases, 1st in new deaths, 2nd in overall deaths and, within a few days from now, 2nd in total deaths. Real estimates are said to be up to 6x official numbers. I really wish the Youtube videos [2] by Atila Iamarino, a PhD in Virology, were available in English. I couldn't recommend him enough. He's done 21 talks on the situation in Brazil and elsewhere, and often mentions how the official data lies. 1 - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 2 - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSTlOTcyUmzvhQi6F8lFi5w/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSTlOTcyUmzvhQi6F8lFi5w/vid...

Findeton 6y ago
BTW Spain is using the same tactics to basically say there are no new deaths. But there are.
- hadrien01 6y ago
  Do you have a source?
  - Findeton 6y ago
    https://www.ft.com/content/77eb7a13-cd26-41dd-9642-616708b43673 https://www.ft.com/content/77eb7a13-cd26-41dd-9642-616708b43...
    - genezeta 6y ago
      While I do not doubt for a minute that there has been and there is a lot of number fudging (both intentional and not), that link is 1.5 months old. I point it out just to mean that the data is not current and as such can hardly reflect the current situation. This [1] seems to have more current data about excess deaths. [1] https://momo.isciii.es/public/momo/dashboard/momo_dashboard.html#nacional https://momo.isciii.es/public/momo/dashboard/momo_dashboard....

thanatropism 6y ago

It’s almost hopeless to really understand Brazil from the outside. On the one hand, response to Coronavirus has been really frakked at the top messaging level; if not a full-on denialist, Bolsonaro seems blinded by the existence of a jobs-deaths tradeoff and can’t seem to work with it. He’s not a terribly sharp person. On the other, there’s a lot riding on making things look worse than they are. And every time you read something bemoaning how un-excellent someone like Orban is, you have to factor who’s rooting for them to fall. There is always a bigger story. —— Edit: Jesus, dang, why is a perfectly reasonable reply to this comment [dead]?

xxxtentachyon 6y ago
I’m totally out of the loop on Hungary. Who’s hoping for Orban to fall, and why is that problematic for Hungary?
- panpanna 6y ago
  First time I hear people rooting for orban to fall due to his Corona politics. I mean, the guy is normally batshit crazy and I expected him to blame Gates and Soros for the virus... but his response so far has been surprisingly good.
pelasaco 6y ago
that's true. It's true that Bolsonaro isn't being able to deal with the media and normally overreacting and being paranoid. However you have a giant part of the media rooting for them to fail. Worse is better for huge part of the global media, and to see a Political leader which doesn't fit failing, is priority number one of the media today. Watching the news in Brazil, looks that Brazilian government is doing what they can, but you don't build at least 30 years of missing infrastructure in 6 months. That's for sure not Bolsonaro's fault.
- trocado 6y ago
  > Political leader which doesn't fit He doesn't fit because he's more incompetent, more corrupt, more egocentric, emptier of any moral values, more oblivious to the interests of his co-citizens, than any other political leader ever was (in Brazil and elsewhere), right?

ck2 6y ago

There are a few other poor/dense countries that are headed for a bad year too sadly. Also note for every death there are many survivors that will have lifelong heart/lung problems. https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=bra&areas=mex&areas=usa&areas=gbr&areas=can&areas=ind&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&cumulative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=0&values=deaths https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=bra&areas=mex&are...

rmsaksida 6y ago
Minor nitpick but Brazil is not a dense country. It is actually much less dense than the USA. It isn't particularly poor either, but it is very unequal.

renatovico 6y ago

I Work in an OTA, when this started i thinked am really fuck, just because: I live here (São Paulo state) the company dependents roughly of the people’s free going to any place, the first resolution of my bosses is stay home, perhaps because the hq is in Rio de Janeiro, the everyone in company started in home office, changes in whole organization to “new life”, after this initially impact the changes, i think what’s our sell, the travel or the dream ? People need assisting now around the world, and people wants the vacation for next year and for Christmas, and well all back to normality. We stays in our home at least this month maybe august. It is hard for the northern and center of Brazil because this states really need the travel now, we really work with tour supply chain to raise money for him to help the chain. But it’s not common in others ota

chkaloon 6y ago
Sorry, what is an OTA? Travel Agency?
- renatovico 6y ago
  Yes online travel agency

ColinWright 6y ago

I've been tracking reported cases and deaths from the ECDC[0] data[1] for some months now. I've added Brazil to the chart ... here is the most recent plot of deaths: https://www.solipsys.co.uk/images/ECDC_DeathsLinear.png https://www.solipsys.co.uk/images/ECDC_DeathsLinear.png The horizontal axis is in "days since reported deaths exceeded 100" [0] European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control [1] https://opendata.ecdc.europa.eu/covid19/casedistribution/csv https://opendata.ecdc.europa.eu/covid19/casedistribution/csv

pvaldes 6y ago
An "all Europe" variable would be an interesting addition to this plot.
- ColinWright 6y ago
  Plotted separately, the scales make it hard to plot in a single diagram: https://www.solipsys.co.uk/images/Europe_Deaths_linear.png https://www.solipsys.co.uk/images/Europe_Deaths_linear.png

dannykwells 6y ago

This might work in the short term, but excess mortality will ultimately come out and tell the truth, unless Bolsanaro wants to claim those that died are still living (don't put it past him).

hkai 6y ago

Not to disagree with the premise of the article, but in the previous pandemic at some point we just stopped counting the cases. We settled on the estimate that 10 to 15% of people in the world got it. Now that we know the death rate of this virus is roughly 0.4% and it's widespread enough, is it time to also stop counting every single case?