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Bangalore has 12M residents and only 385 Covid-19 cases

ImaCake 6y ago
I note the continued comments that are unable to believe that this virus can be contained. While I am highly skeptical that India will be able to keep cases down. Other wealthier countries certainly can. Since I live in Australia, and hence in a country that has effectively eliminated community spread. I would like to confirm that we did actually stop the virus and the government numbers are absolutely real. Lockdown is basically over, people can socialise again, people are hiring, within-state (but not inter-state) travel is now allowed almost everywhere. People are no longer scared.
- IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
  I really hope. My personal belief is that I dont think this question will truly be settled for you gents until July... unless you are truly able to eradicate the virus before then AND shut down air travel during that period
- vcanales 6y ago
  What did Australia do? I can't help it but feel that my country is doing everything absolutely wrong. "As of 12:00 am June 3, 2020, Chile has 113,628 confirmed cases of COVID-19 within its borders. Chile remains in Phase 4 of the outbreak, i.e., uncontrolled and widespread community transmission."
  - jussij 6y ago
    > I can't help it but feel that my country is doing everything absolutely wrong. Last year Australia suffer a horrendous year of nation wide bushfires (wildfires) and the current government handled that response very badly. For that disaster they where very slow to act and appeared to have very little in the way of a plan. I think they learnt a lot from that earlier mistake, because their handling of the COVID-19 crisis has been almost perfect. > What did Australia do? The first response was to limit travel form overseas and to also require anyone coming in from overseas to spend 14 days in quarantine. The general public also went in lock down. That meant you could only go outside to buy food, go to the doctor, go to the chemist or go to work and you were also allowed 1 hour of limited exercise every day. Non essential business where force to close (pub, clubs gyms, restaurants, etc). Public spaces where people could congregate (i.e. beaches parks etc) where also closed. Businesses where encouraged to let their workers work from home where possible. All interstate travel basically came end as many states imposed border closures. Police would enforce these rules and they would also enforce social distancing rules in public spaces. For example if you where found to be outside of your local area you would get a fine. Also if you where found to be loitering in a public space you would get warned and repeat offender fined. Because of the forced business closures many people became instantly unemployed. To help with this disruption the government also introduced big changes to the social welfare system to help people with this disruption. It also introduce anti-eviction laws for renters. These are just some of the changes made and they all helped the country get on top of the virus. Now after several months of these restrictions we are seeing the light at the end of what has be a very dark tunnel.
    - ImaCake 6y ago
      This fits my own experience as an Australian. Nice clear write-up. One thing I would add is that Australia had a plan ready to go before the pandemic even hit [0]. Complete with already passed legislation. 0. https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/ohp-ahmppi.htm https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Cont...
    - vcanales 6y ago
      Thanks for laying it out so clearly. I'm sorry that you had to go through something so terrible, but it's great that you took it as a lesson; we've been through a lot of shit (earthquakes, civil unrest) and simply don't get it. > To help with this disruption the government also introduced big changes to the social welfare system to help people with this disruption. Chile has been avoiding getting to this step by sacrificing its citizen's health, and lives.
IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
I saw the title and i said to myself "......For now" This will be a supremely important question to settle in 2 months once moonson season is in full swing It could completely upend the COVID status quo
lgleason 6y ago
The warm climate probably helps the R numbers. That said, I don't think the number is that low given the population density etc..
icedchai 6y ago
385 reported cases. How many people have they tested?
- umeshunni 6y ago
  It's right there in the article, if you could figure how to click on a link.
  - icedchai 6y ago
    A well written article would have it in the first paragraph.
OctaviusCrassus 6y ago
Seriously? You all are still pushing the Covid narrative? It’s not as deadly as we first thought fam. We have people looting in the streets because they’re unemployed and poverty-stricken yet you guys still have the nerve to fear-monger. SICK.
latch 6y ago
Vietnam at 0 deaths. Singapore at 24 deaths (despite a relatively high number of cases). There's a thread on the front page right now re Sweden's handling. A lot of the comments seem to be trying to rate the performance of various European countries against each other. I guess I'm missing something, because I'd just categorize most of it as a disaster.
- wonderlg 6y ago
  Vietnam’s numbers are incredible and I cheer for them, but I wouldn’t trust their exactness, given the country’s placement in the freedom of the press index as the 4th least free.
  - hannob 6y ago
    Mistrust about the vietnam numbers comes up every time this is discussed. But I have not yet seen any evidence that they're forged. I admit I find it hard to believe that a country bordering china could handle this so well. But I am more inclined to believe the numbers are real than that the numbers are completely fake and nobody has produced any evidence of this. Vietnam isn't North Korea. It's a country well connected to the world, plenty of people work there that have international connections or come from other countries.
    - manojlds 6y ago
      Vietnam also has everything to lose. Lots of companies are moving their factories to Vietnam and China's faltering has been to Vietnam's gains.
- ceilingcorner 6y ago
  It seems more likely to me that the COVID reporting is shoddy, rather than the implementation of some genius plan. Hundreds of thousands of people die every year in Vietnam [1] and you're telling me there's a zero percent chance that some of them were miscategorized? Seems unlikely to me. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1101034/vietnam-number-of-deaths/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1101034/vietnam-number-o...
anilgulecha 6y ago
Bangalorean here. What I saw was everyone followed the lockdown guidelines very well when it was put in. A bit worried now as it has relaxed, and the numbers are growing. Not sure if the rate is lower or higher than similar cities. Anyone have data?
- manojlds 6y ago
  Chennai is looking troublesome. ~1000 cases yesterday with a 7m pop compared to ~1200 in Mumbai with 18m pop. Granted, Chennai is testing the highest in number of tests and per capita in Indian big cities and death rate is at 0.8%. ( compared to approx 2.3% for even Bangalore)
- JoeAltmaier 6y ago
  According to data collected by Johns Hopkins, India has not yet had any effect on controlling the geometric growth of Corona virus: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.h... They do not have data broken down by region. Does India not report that?
  - klackerz 6y ago
    You can find regionwise data here. https://www.covid19india.org/ https://www.covid19india.org/
- puranjay 6y ago
  Here in Delhi, the streets were completely empty during the lockdown. But now, it seems like everyone has forgotten it already. Saw people mingling, sniffing, touching the same fruit at the vegetable market yesterday. Everyone is wearing masks but that's about it.
- Alterlife 6y ago
  I'm in a smaller town in TN. Lockdown was respected, but people have all but forgotten about it now. 9/10 people on the street are no longer wearing masks. I would be surprised if we don't see an uptick soon.
desikoder 6y ago
In general, India has dealt unexpectedly well with this health crisis, given it's lack of resources for health care (compared to other large economies). Bengaluru, in particular, is better off because of relatively lesser number of ghettos compared to other major cities in the country. Considering it's a hub significantly driven by ITES money, what would be more interesting to watch is how does it come out of it, now that it's quite evident that IT processionals can quite capably work from home. Would bengaluru still hold the crown of the IT of india or this will finally incentivize the breaking down of budding metro cities?
- onetimemanytime 6y ago
  >>In general, India has dealt unexpectedly well with this health crisis, given it's lack of resources for health care (compared to other large economies). Resources are overrated in these cases. Instead of modern police batons, bamboo or simply wooden ones will work as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wNQ_V-Ol78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wNQ_V-Ol78 Let's how India does when they have no option but to open up.
manojlds 6y ago
> The inability to control clusters like Dharavi in Mumbai, Koyambedu market in Chennai and the Tablighi Jamaat conference in Delhi, led to these respective city administrations losing control over COVID-19 Being a bit unfair to Chennai there, which was bombarded with both Tablighi Jamaat cluster and Koyambedu (one of Asia's largest vegetable markets) Also Chennai is testing highest in both units and per capita amongst Indian cities, and death rate is at 0.8% compated to 2.3% for Bangalore which is not mentioned.
- intended 6y ago
  Mumbai and Delhi are also massive hubs for international travel, they were going to be the gateways for the virus. Not sure how to translate that list of cities.
  - manojlds 6y ago
    I was frankly surprised that Bangalore has been low given how much tech travel within and outside India happens there. Hopefully things remain manageable as lockdown eases more
    - intended 6y ago
      True! Bangalore has definitely gotten it right, making it a bright spot in the news coming out of India. I do remember one thing the Kerala Chief minister said to the Maharashtra CM about the differences between their states and in particular Mumbai - Mumbai has slums.
ykevinator 6y ago
Is this credible?
mytailorisrich 6y ago
India's official numbers are exploding [1]. They were under lockdown, which does not seem to have had any effect and which is now being relaxed. It does not strike me as outstanding management. I really don't know to make of official numbers in many countries, especially when comparing among countries. They seem to go all over the place and it's hard to make sense of them. Part of it, I think, is that we don't fully understand the virus and I suspect a lot of natural causes will be found to explain some of the differences. [1] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/
stormdennis 6y ago
In the UK non white ethnic groups and especially Bangladeshis have had the highest mortality rate from Covid 19 and yet the countries they come from are faring better than the UK is against the disease. The explanation for this when it's found will be interesting, one factor might be climate and possible vitamin D deficiency among these groups in Britain.
- onetimemanytime 6y ago
  a lot of dirt poor countries have closed EVERYTHING, and given jack to the people. Complain to the hand. Obviously low deaths--on Covid, and so far. Not something to be proud of and definitely not long term. Virus is still around, waiting for the opportunity.
  - paralelogram 6y ago
    I think that in some of these countries the virus doesn't exist anymore, for example in Montenegro: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/montenegro/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/montenegro...
- nradov 6y ago
  Is there a difference in obesity rates between the two populations?
- evbpcapfxy 6y ago
  The vitamin d connection might partially also explain why Sweden has a higher mortality rate than its neighboring countries, because Sweden has accepted more immigrants
  - TheHypnotist 6y ago
    You and OP mention Vitamin D as a possible rationale for the differences. But, what about countries like Mexico? No shortage of sun there.
  - vanderZwan 6y ago
erfgh 6y ago
It's because they don't test as much and they are not eager to mark deaths as covid-19.
- quantummkv 6y ago
  This frankly stupid meme needs to die. Not testing can hide the disaster only for a maximum of 3 weeks, after which the dead start piling up. Considering that the dead have not being piling up anywhere in India, I'd say India has succeeded in managing it all.
  - bufferoverflow 6y ago
    It's easy to hide the number of deaths too. How often does an average person actually see a dead person? Almost never. Whoever controls the narrative, decides on what numbers to report.
    - quantummkv 6y ago
      Despite what some sections of the internet might want to portray or believe, India is not a totalitarian state in the vein of China or Vietnam that can effectively censor speech on an almost watertight level. There is no Great Firewall here that can filter internet traffic in real time that such a large scale narrative control requires. And even China with the great firewall was not able to hold this in completely. Do you think the government would have been able to hide the large number of deaths that would have occurred, if the death rate was the same as reported by Europeans and Americans? It's not easy to hide a large amount of bodies, given that half of the country is ruled by political outfits that oppose the central government. The dead bodies in real life don't just vanish into thin air like in star wars.
      - bufferoverflow 6y ago
        You painting Indian government as this corruption-free bastion is cute. All it takes is a bunch of local government heads to look better than the other regions, and there you go - they report fake numbers. Or it can be worse, they pretend to do N tests, while paying for 1% of N tests, and faking the rest, putting the difference in their pocket.
presiozo 6y ago
> Apart from contact tracing, testing the right people helped the state keep a check on the spread. I see this sentence a little problematic
francescopnpn 6y ago
Reporting and testing across different countries is not equal by any means. I'm always amazed by these headlines that mean literally nothing. Statistics 101? The conclusions you can actually derive by the deviation in deaths YoY https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps#z-scores-by-country https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps#z-scores-by-country are that the least densely populated countries are the ones faring better. Germany being the outlier. Taiwan did great because @n95s for every citizen.
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glaberficken 6y ago
>"For a population of approximately 1.2 crores, Bengaluru city has had just 385 reported cases of COVID-19(...)" TIL! https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crore https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crore
aerodog 6y ago
Why were Jammu and Kashmir included in their chart? I thought that's not part of India but a part their Hindu party is trying to forcibly take over.
- naruvimama 6y ago
  Jammu, Kashmir & Ladakh (incl. Gilgit Baltistan) - is what was known as a J&K. Post independence in 1947, Nehru was propped up by the British as the first Prime minister of India, he was a pacifist. He was incidentally also a Kashmiri himself. Pakistan invaded and occupied large parts of the Kingdom. Pakistan then had inherited a disproportionately large army, after their separated from India. And yes they became an Islamic state, and during whose creation between 1920s to 1947 waves of genocide against non-muslims changed the demography from 70% muslim to 97% muslim in Pakistan (claimed number). China on the other hand invaded and occupied parts of Ladakh known as Aksai Chin after they had invaded Tibet in 1962. This is the place where there is a current standoff, the Chinese threatening to invade more territory. Technically and historically Kashmir has always been part of India. Radicalisation of the muslim majority population in Kashmir in the 1990, resulted in the ethnic cleansing of half a million Hindus in a matter of 2 weeks. The muslim demography in the valley changed from 76% to 99.9% muslim in those 2 weeks. This was mostly possible because Pakistan was until then an indespensible allay of the west in their fight against Soviets in Afghanistan.
- crovona 6y ago
  Parts of the region are disputed between India, Pakistan and China. The state of Jammu and Kashmir is a part of India, with regular elections and a functioning assembly, although from time to time the central government keeps intruding in state's affairs and has recently redefined certain parts as a union territory. Citizens of J&K are citizens of India, but have certain special rights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir_(union_territory) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir_(union_terri...
- devdas 6y ago
  J&K is a part of India.
whoevercares 6y ago
Ask any India or Vietnam people if they believe the number... don’t be so naive those countries have every things to lose as well
- coconut_crab 6y ago
  Vietnamese here, we totally trust the number because: - Every cases are documented and published on the medias (yes, I know that's not a good thing for privacy) to make contact tracing easier. - Vietnam is an authoritarian country with extensive public security apparatus so tracing and quarantining is easy. There have been cases that someone got quarantined because her friend who lives in other country tested positive, and that's after she returned to Vietnam. - Also the Communist Party of Vietnam has everything to lose if they can't handle this, so they are serious at containing covid 19. They even used cyber attacks on China to gain intel on how serious Ncov is back in December last year. - Most importantly, wartime like mass mobilization helped a lot. Every people did their part, the military set up quarantine camps and check points, disinfecting hotspot. The people cooperated with the guideline: avoiding going out, wearing mask or stay in quarantine if their areas has positive cases (the government will provided food and other necessities). - They do everything to keep the number of deaths at zero: The worst case, patient 91, was recently detached from ECMO after 2 months, his lung recovered from 10% to 40% capacity and he has woken up from coma. The cost for his treatment is $200k and counting, and he isn't even a Vietnam national!
  - whoevercares 6y ago
    Somehow I thought Vietnam was a democratic country.
happy-go-lucky 6y ago
During the lockdown, normally busy areas of the city have been largely deserted. Of course, there are concerns that the city likely is under-reporting the incidence of infection, but as for fatality data you cannot hide mass deaths.
nunez 6y ago
...that we know of
Zenst 6y ago
What has become clear is levels of testing and how deaths are recorded vary greatly. So somebody in the UK who tested or even suspected of COVID-19 dieing from a heart attack - that is recorded as covid-19 death, in somewhere like Germany - that would be recorded as a heart attack, even if it is clear that the illness caused the issue. But one thing that has struck me as worrying, is the faily recorded cases - looking at WHO data, always a spike on a friday! Why is that, backlog, testing pattern or rush to get to the weekend - dunno, but a very clear trend until recently and now seeing spike more common than that 7 day trend. IMHO, all the signs of a second wave and a\ll the actions to enable it. Governments be damned if they don't ease lockdown and damned if people still die. But I do wished there was some better universal defined way deaths are recorded as currently it is a fallacy to compare countries due to the nuances of how deaths are recorded. One thing I do know and been a concern of mine for months, once things ease - how many poor postman and postwoman are going to be asked to record buildup of mail at address - a solid indication that somebody died inside. Those deaths are the ones which we are still to realise and they are out there awaiting to be found. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.h... You can view the stats for daily cases there bottom right, expand that and hit the daily cases tab - you can see the week trend most prominent and also the changes to that recently that are not a good sign IMHO.
- sjg007 6y ago
  Friday is probably a reporting deadline. You see similar spikes on Mondays after the weekend. You would want to take a weekly average basically.. or some do a 3 day rolling average.
- netsharc 6y ago
  Looks like a reliable signal is to count how many deaths above average happened for a particular month, for example here in St. Petersburg, Russia: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/04/st-petersburg-death-tally-casts-doubt-on-russian-coronavirus-figures https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/04/st-petersburg-...
known 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Namibia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Namibia with 27 million population did even better. Just 23 cases and no deaths; 1st case was detected on 14th March; Same day Namibia suspended Air travel;

I note the continued comments that are unable to believe that this virus can be contained. While I am highly skeptical that India will be able to keep cases down. Other wealthier countries certainly can. Since I live in Australia, and hence in a country that has effectively eliminated community spread. I would like to confirm that we did actually stop the virus and the government numbers are absolutely real. Lockdown is basically over, people can socialise again, people are hiring, within-state (but not inter-state) travel is now allowed almost everywhere. People are no longer scared.

IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
I really hope. My personal belief is that I dont think this question will truly be settled for you gents until July... unless you are truly able to eradicate the virus before then AND shut down air travel during that period
vcanales 6y ago
What did Australia do? I can't help it but feel that my country is doing everything absolutely wrong. "As of 12:00 am June 3, 2020, Chile has 113,628 confirmed cases of COVID-19 within its borders. Chile remains in Phase 4 of the outbreak, i.e., uncontrolled and widespread community transmission."
- jussij 6y ago
  > I can't help it but feel that my country is doing everything absolutely wrong. Last year Australia suffer a horrendous year of nation wide bushfires (wildfires) and the current government handled that response very badly. For that disaster they where very slow to act and appeared to have very little in the way of a plan. I think they learnt a lot from that earlier mistake, because their handling of the COVID-19 crisis has been almost perfect. > What did Australia do? The first response was to limit travel form overseas and to also require anyone coming in from overseas to spend 14 days in quarantine. The general public also went in lock down. That meant you could only go outside to buy food, go to the doctor, go to the chemist or go to work and you were also allowed 1 hour of limited exercise every day. Non essential business where force to close (pub, clubs gyms, restaurants, etc). Public spaces where people could congregate (i.e. beaches parks etc) where also closed. Businesses where encouraged to let their workers work from home where possible. All interstate travel basically came end as many states imposed border closures. Police would enforce these rules and they would also enforce social distancing rules in public spaces. For example if you where found to be outside of your local area you would get a fine. Also if you where found to be loitering in a public space you would get warned and repeat offender fined. Because of the forced business closures many people became instantly unemployed. To help with this disruption the government also introduced big changes to the social welfare system to help people with this disruption. It also introduce anti-eviction laws for renters. These are just some of the changes made and they all helped the country get on top of the virus. Now after several months of these restrictions we are seeing the light at the end of what has be a very dark tunnel.
  - ImaCake 6y ago
    This fits my own experience as an Australian. Nice clear write-up. One thing I would add is that Australia had a plan ready to go before the pandemic even hit [0]. Complete with already passed legislation. 0. https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/ohp-ahmppi.htm https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Cont...
  - vcanales 6y ago
    Thanks for laying it out so clearly. I'm sorry that you had to go through something so terrible, but it's great that you took it as a lesson; we've been through a lot of shit (earthquakes, civil unrest) and simply don't get it. > To help with this disruption the government also introduced big changes to the social welfare system to help people with this disruption. Chile has been avoiding getting to this step by sacrificing its citizen's health, and lives.

IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago

I saw the title and i said to myself "......For now" This will be a supremely important question to settle in 2 months once moonson season is in full swing It could completely upend the COVID status quo

lgleason 6y ago

The warm climate probably helps the R numbers. That said, I don't think the number is that low given the population density etc..

icedchai 6y ago

385 reported cases. How many people have they tested?

umeshunni 6y ago
It's right there in the article, if you could figure how to click on a link.
- icedchai 6y ago
  A well written article would have it in the first paragraph.

OctaviusCrassus 6y ago

Seriously? You all are still pushing the Covid narrative? It’s not as deadly as we first thought fam. We have people looting in the streets because they’re unemployed and poverty-stricken yet you guys still have the nerve to fear-monger. SICK.

latch 6y ago

Vietnam at 0 deaths. Singapore at 24 deaths (despite a relatively high number of cases). There's a thread on the front page right now re Sweden's handling. A lot of the comments seem to be trying to rate the performance of various European countries against each other. I guess I'm missing something, because I'd just categorize most of it as a disaster.

wonderlg 6y ago
Vietnam’s numbers are incredible and I cheer for them, but I wouldn’t trust their exactness, given the country’s placement in the freedom of the press index as the 4th least free.
- hannob 6y ago
  Mistrust about the vietnam numbers comes up every time this is discussed. But I have not yet seen any evidence that they're forged. I admit I find it hard to believe that a country bordering china could handle this so well. But I am more inclined to believe the numbers are real than that the numbers are completely fake and nobody has produced any evidence of this. Vietnam isn't North Korea. It's a country well connected to the world, plenty of people work there that have international connections or come from other countries.
  - manojlds 6y ago
    Vietnam also has everything to lose. Lots of companies are moving their factories to Vietnam and China's faltering has been to Vietnam's gains.
ceilingcorner 6y ago
It seems more likely to me that the COVID reporting is shoddy, rather than the implementation of some genius plan. Hundreds of thousands of people die every year in Vietnam [1] and you're telling me there's a zero percent chance that some of them were miscategorized? Seems unlikely to me. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1101034/vietnam-number-of-deaths/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1101034/vietnam-number-o...

anilgulecha 6y ago

Bangalorean here. What I saw was everyone followed the lockdown guidelines very well when it was put in. A bit worried now as it has relaxed, and the numbers are growing. Not sure if the rate is lower or higher than similar cities. Anyone have data?

manojlds 6y ago
Chennai is looking troublesome. ~1000 cases yesterday with a 7m pop compared to ~1200 in Mumbai with 18m pop. Granted, Chennai is testing the highest in number of tests and per capita in Indian big cities and death rate is at 0.8%. ( compared to approx 2.3% for even Bangalore)
JoeAltmaier 6y ago
According to data collected by Johns Hopkins, India has not yet had any effect on controlling the geometric growth of Corona virus: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.h... They do not have data broken down by region. Does India not report that?
- klackerz 6y ago
  You can find regionwise data here. https://www.covid19india.org/ https://www.covid19india.org/
puranjay 6y ago
Here in Delhi, the streets were completely empty during the lockdown. But now, it seems like everyone has forgotten it already. Saw people mingling, sniffing, touching the same fruit at the vegetable market yesterday. Everyone is wearing masks but that's about it.
Alterlife 6y ago
I'm in a smaller town in TN. Lockdown was respected, but people have all but forgotten about it now. 9/10 people on the street are no longer wearing masks. I would be surprised if we don't see an uptick soon.

desikoder 6y ago

In general, India has dealt unexpectedly well with this health crisis, given it's lack of resources for health care (compared to other large economies). Bengaluru, in particular, is better off because of relatively lesser number of ghettos compared to other major cities in the country. Considering it's a hub significantly driven by ITES money, what would be more interesting to watch is how does it come out of it, now that it's quite evident that IT processionals can quite capably work from home. Would bengaluru still hold the crown of the IT of india or this will finally incentivize the breaking down of budding metro cities?

onetimemanytime 6y ago
>>In general, India has dealt unexpectedly well with this health crisis, given it's lack of resources for health care (compared to other large economies). Resources are overrated in these cases. Instead of modern police batons, bamboo or simply wooden ones will work as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wNQ_V-Ol78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wNQ_V-Ol78 Let's how India does when they have no option but to open up.

manojlds 6y ago

> The inability to control clusters like Dharavi in Mumbai, Koyambedu market in Chennai and the Tablighi Jamaat conference in Delhi, led to these respective city administrations losing control over COVID-19 Being a bit unfair to Chennai there, which was bombarded with both Tablighi Jamaat cluster and Koyambedu (one of Asia's largest vegetable markets) Also Chennai is testing highest in both units and per capita amongst Indian cities, and death rate is at 0.8% compated to 2.3% for Bangalore which is not mentioned.

intended 6y ago
Mumbai and Delhi are also massive hubs for international travel, they were going to be the gateways for the virus. Not sure how to translate that list of cities.
- manojlds 6y ago
  I was frankly surprised that Bangalore has been low given how much tech travel within and outside India happens there. Hopefully things remain manageable as lockdown eases more
  - intended 6y ago
    True! Bangalore has definitely gotten it right, making it a bright spot in the news coming out of India. I do remember one thing the Kerala Chief minister said to the Maharashtra CM about the differences between their states and in particular Mumbai - Mumbai has slums.

ykevinator 6y ago

Is this credible?

mytailorisrich 6y ago

India's official numbers are exploding [1]. They were under lockdown, which does not seem to have had any effect and which is now being relaxed. It does not strike me as outstanding management. I really don't know to make of official numbers in many countries, especially when comparing among countries. They seem to go all over the place and it's hard to make sense of them. Part of it, I think, is that we don't fully understand the virus and I suspect a lot of natural causes will be found to explain some of the differences. [1] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

stormdennis 6y ago

In the UK non white ethnic groups and especially Bangladeshis have had the highest mortality rate from Covid 19 and yet the countries they come from are faring better than the UK is against the disease. The explanation for this when it's found will be interesting, one factor might be climate and possible vitamin D deficiency among these groups in Britain.

onetimemanytime 6y ago
a lot of dirt poor countries have closed EVERYTHING, and given jack to the people. Complain to the hand. Obviously low deaths--on Covid, and so far. Not something to be proud of and definitely not long term. Virus is still around, waiting for the opportunity.
- paralelogram 6y ago
  I think that in some of these countries the virus doesn't exist anymore, for example in Montenegro: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/montenegro/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/montenegro...
nradov 6y ago
Is there a difference in obesity rates between the two populations?
evbpcapfxy 6y ago
The vitamin d connection might partially also explain why Sweden has a higher mortality rate than its neighboring countries, because Sweden has accepted more immigrants
- TheHypnotist 6y ago
  You and OP mention Vitamin D as a possible rationale for the differences. But, what about countries like Mexico? No shortage of sun there.
- vanderZwan 6y ago

erfgh 6y ago

It's because they don't test as much and they are not eager to mark deaths as covid-19.

quantummkv 6y ago
This frankly stupid meme needs to die. Not testing can hide the disaster only for a maximum of 3 weeks, after which the dead start piling up. Considering that the dead have not being piling up anywhere in India, I'd say India has succeeded in managing it all.
- bufferoverflow 6y ago
  It's easy to hide the number of deaths too. How often does an average person actually see a dead person? Almost never. Whoever controls the narrative, decides on what numbers to report.
  - quantummkv 6y ago
    Despite what some sections of the internet might want to portray or believe, India is not a totalitarian state in the vein of China or Vietnam that can effectively censor speech on an almost watertight level. There is no Great Firewall here that can filter internet traffic in real time that such a large scale narrative control requires. And even China with the great firewall was not able to hold this in completely. Do you think the government would have been able to hide the large number of deaths that would have occurred, if the death rate was the same as reported by Europeans and Americans? It's not easy to hide a large amount of bodies, given that half of the country is ruled by political outfits that oppose the central government. The dead bodies in real life don't just vanish into thin air like in star wars.
    - bufferoverflow 6y ago
      You painting Indian government as this corruption-free bastion is cute. All it takes is a bunch of local government heads to look better than the other regions, and there you go - they report fake numbers. Or it can be worse, they pretend to do N tests, while paying for 1% of N tests, and faking the rest, putting the difference in their pocket.

presiozo 6y ago

> Apart from contact tracing, testing the right people helped the state keep a check on the spread. I see this sentence a little problematic

francescopnpn 6y ago

Reporting and testing across different countries is not equal by any means. I'm always amazed by these headlines that mean literally nothing. Statistics 101? The conclusions you can actually derive by the deviation in deaths YoY https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps#z-scores-by-country https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps#z-scores-by-country are that the least densely populated countries are the ones faring better. Germany being the outlier. Taiwan did great because @n95s for every citizen.

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glaberficken 6y ago

>"For a population of approximately 1.2 crores, Bengaluru city has had just 385 reported cases of COVID-19(...)" TIL! https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crore https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crore

aerodog 6y ago

Why were Jammu and Kashmir included in their chart? I thought that's not part of India but a part their Hindu party is trying to forcibly take over.

naruvimama 6y ago
Jammu, Kashmir & Ladakh (incl. Gilgit Baltistan) - is what was known as a J&K. Post independence in 1947, Nehru was propped up by the British as the first Prime minister of India, he was a pacifist. He was incidentally also a Kashmiri himself. Pakistan invaded and occupied large parts of the Kingdom. Pakistan then had inherited a disproportionately large army, after their separated from India. And yes they became an Islamic state, and during whose creation between 1920s to 1947 waves of genocide against non-muslims changed the demography from 70% muslim to 97% muslim in Pakistan (claimed number). China on the other hand invaded and occupied parts of Ladakh known as Aksai Chin after they had invaded Tibet in 1962. This is the place where there is a current standoff, the Chinese threatening to invade more territory. Technically and historically Kashmir has always been part of India. Radicalisation of the muslim majority population in Kashmir in the 1990, resulted in the ethnic cleansing of half a million Hindus in a matter of 2 weeks. The muslim demography in the valley changed from 76% to 99.9% muslim in those 2 weeks. This was mostly possible because Pakistan was until then an indespensible allay of the west in their fight against Soviets in Afghanistan.
crovona 6y ago
Parts of the region are disputed between India, Pakistan and China. The state of Jammu and Kashmir is a part of India, with regular elections and a functioning assembly, although from time to time the central government keeps intruding in state's affairs and has recently redefined certain parts as a union territory. Citizens of J&K are citizens of India, but have certain special rights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir_(union_territory) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir_(union_terri...
devdas 6y ago
J&K is a part of India.

whoevercares 6y ago

Ask any India or Vietnam people if they believe the number... don’t be so naive those countries have every things to lose as well

coconut_crab 6y ago
Vietnamese here, we totally trust the number because: - Every cases are documented and published on the medias (yes, I know that's not a good thing for privacy) to make contact tracing easier. - Vietnam is an authoritarian country with extensive public security apparatus so tracing and quarantining is easy. There have been cases that someone got quarantined because her friend who lives in other country tested positive, and that's after she returned to Vietnam. - Also the Communist Party of Vietnam has everything to lose if they can't handle this, so they are serious at containing covid 19. They even used cyber attacks on China to gain intel on how serious Ncov is back in December last year. - Most importantly, wartime like mass mobilization helped a lot. Every people did their part, the military set up quarantine camps and check points, disinfecting hotspot. The people cooperated with the guideline: avoiding going out, wearing mask or stay in quarantine if their areas has positive cases (the government will provided food and other necessities). - They do everything to keep the number of deaths at zero: The worst case, patient 91, was recently detached from ECMO after 2 months, his lung recovered from 10% to 40% capacity and he has woken up from coma. The cost for his treatment is $200k and counting, and he isn't even a Vietnam national!
- whoevercares 6y ago
  Somehow I thought Vietnam was a democratic country.

happy-go-lucky 6y ago

During the lockdown, normally busy areas of the city have been largely deserted. Of course, there are concerns that the city likely is under-reporting the incidence of infection, but as for fatality data you cannot hide mass deaths.

nunez 6y ago

...that we know of

Zenst 6y ago

What has become clear is levels of testing and how deaths are recorded vary greatly. So somebody in the UK who tested or even suspected of COVID-19 dieing from a heart attack - that is recorded as covid-19 death, in somewhere like Germany - that would be recorded as a heart attack, even if it is clear that the illness caused the issue. But one thing that has struck me as worrying, is the faily recorded cases - looking at WHO data, always a spike on a friday! Why is that, backlog, testing pattern or rush to get to the weekend - dunno, but a very clear trend until recently and now seeing spike more common than that 7 day trend. IMHO, all the signs of a second wave and a\ll the actions to enable it. Governments be damned if they don't ease lockdown and damned if people still die. But I do wished there was some better universal defined way deaths are recorded as currently it is a fallacy to compare countries due to the nuances of how deaths are recorded. One thing I do know and been a concern of mine for months, once things ease - how many poor postman and postwoman are going to be asked to record buildup of mail at address - a solid indication that somebody died inside. Those deaths are the ones which we are still to realise and they are out there awaiting to be found. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.h... You can view the stats for daily cases there bottom right, expand that and hit the daily cases tab - you can see the week trend most prominent and also the changes to that recently that are not a good sign IMHO.

sjg007 6y ago
Friday is probably a reporting deadline. You see similar spikes on Mondays after the weekend. You would want to take a weekly average basically.. or some do a 3 day rolling average.
netsharc 6y ago
Looks like a reliable signal is to count how many deaths above average happened for a particular month, for example here in St. Petersburg, Russia: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/04/st-petersburg-death-tally-casts-doubt-on-russian-coronavirus-figures https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/04/st-petersburg-...

known 6y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Namibia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Namibia with 27 million population did even better. Just 23 cases and no deaths; 1st case was detected on 14th March; Same day Namibia suspended Air travel;