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8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75
- emwjacobson 6y agoCool to hear that they're working more on 64-bit version of Raspbian (now Raspberry Pi OS?)
- sylvain_kerkour 6y agoWow, this is such a great news! This plus the pinebook pro, I really hope that it will help the software availability on armv8 to skyrocket! Also I really hope that someone will come with a new case to use it as tablet and laptop. Like a mix between the old pi-top and a surface book (or a PineTab). If anyone has experience developing on the raspberry pi 4 (4GB), I really want to hear from you, especially regarding the processor performance.
- MayeulC 6y agoIt sounds like pine64 devices are miles ahead in terms of upstream kernel support, though. The remaining issue was with GPU support, but that's being taken care of with the Lima/Panfrost project, which now runs great.
- sylvain_kerkour 6y agoUnfortunately, their low specs make them really far from usable. I know that it may improve in the future, but as of today, 2GB of Ram for the PineTab...
- MayeulC 6y agoOf course, you are free to pick whatever you want from their store, but comparing a raspberrypi with a PineTab is a bit unfair, as these two products are quite different. Moreover, I disagree with your suggestion that 2GB is useless in a tablet. It really depends on the use-case, and I have rarely seen a capability range similar to the pineTab in a tablet from-factor. Have a look at the RockPro64, for instance: https://www.pine64.org/rockpro64/ https://www.pine64.org/rockpro64/ The 4GB version is about $80, but offers PCIe 4x, 128Mbit Flash, Gigabit Ethernet, USB-C Host With Video Out, and an eDP Port, among others. It's true that the A64 family only goes up to 2GB, but the rock64 family goes to 4GB for $45. All offer valid tradeoffs to the Pi family :)
- rjsw 6y ago> It's true that the A64 family only goes up to 2GB. I think they technically go up to 3GB, but making a board with that is messy.
- FullyFunctional 6y agoI spent a few months doing much of my development on the 4 GiB Raspberry Pi 4 (gently overclocked). My experience was that of a slightly older notebook - totally fine for most things. The 4 GiB memory was hardly ever an issue, but the pathetic IO (storage and to some degree network) eventually drove me away. Thus, 8 GiB is a great option, but it makes it seem even less balanced now. EDIT: I haste to add that having the full 64-bit Ubuntu 20.04 was what made this interesting to me.
- sylvain_kerkour 6y agoThank you! Talking about the IO, did you experience failure (lose of work) due to the unreliability of microSD?
- FullyFunctional 6y agoNo one sane uses the microSD for anything but the boot partition :) I used a fast USB key and contemplated using a true fast USB 3.1 SSD, but I really didn't like the bulk (the SSD would have been as big as the Pi). I never lost any data (but I also only accessed it remotely - it was head-less).
- jakogut 6y ago> If anyone has development experience using the raspberry pi 4 (4GB), I really want to hear from you, especially regarding the processor performance I've been developing on the platform for a few months now. Though it's difficult to compare performance between architectures, the new BCM2711 compares favorably in CPU bound tasks to Intel's Cherry Trail Atoms from early 2016, primarily the Atom x5-z8350. The Pi 4 also overclocks easily from 1.5 GHz to 2.0 - 2.1 GHz, where it exceeds Atom performance in some cases. The A72 cores are a huge leap in performance compared to the A53 cores of the RPi 3. These are architecturally "big" cores, as compared to the more power efficient and lower throughput "little" A53 cores of the previous model.
- toasted_flakes 6y agoDid they fix the stability issue? Even with a known-good power supply my raspberry pi 3 has been losing power 3-4 times a week at random points.
- dikei 6y agoFWIW, I'm using the official power supply and have never encounter any power issue.
- imtringued 6y agoFor some reason people seem to really want to use their $75 Macbook USB chargers instead of just buying the official power supply.
- cjnicholls 6y agoYes, that was addressed earlier this year. https://hackaday.com/2020/02/23/raspberry-pi-slips-out-new-pcb-version-with-usb-c-power-fix/ https://hackaday.com/2020/02/23/raspberry-pi-slips-out-new-p...
- jakogut 6y agoAs someone currently working on supporting application and firmware code on this platform, this is pretty interesting. I'd also like to point out that Buildroot (https://buildroot.org https://buildroot.org) and upstream U-boot have first class support for building and running your own 64-bit kernel and userland based on included defconfigs. If you have an application you'd like to ship on a Raspberry Pi image, especially if you want to address all 8 GiB from a single process, check out Buildroot.
- ggm 6y ago8GB is enough to run ZFS with memory ARC backing for TB sized disks behind raidZ2. I've run this with Intel 64bit CPUs, I can't see a reason this won't also run in reasonable time for arm. (Both memory shuffles and the checksum computation) With the right PiHAT this makes raid FS much nicer.
- rasz 6y agoBefore anyone goes "OMG I could use it as a desktop" $75 is close to what you would pay for couple year old ~4 faster laptop with broken screen, sodimm and PCIE SSD slots. Quick ebay check shows things like $90 'Dell XPS12 i7-3537U 8gb 128GB SSD broken screen'
- jcun4128 6y agoI do agree with that thought, as I personally use these Dell Optiplex i7 3rd gen, 32gb desktops, I'm not a mega gamer but I can throw in a 4GB 1050ti and play some recent games at medium quality. It's definitely not $75 more like $500 altogether but still... what I do like about this is it seems like a less interesting thing to steal if you're concerned about that. Generally though it is like a "full computer" so I don't know what I would buy one of these for, I currently have 3 Pis that have been on for a few years now continuously they're running web servers/automated tasks mostly Pi Zeros and a 3B+. I think it's crazy 8GB is becoming like the new 4GB... 32GB is almost not enough personally.
- onemoresoop 6y agoTrue, but in what form factor? A RPi is small. And it has GPIo, it could be applied to a portable project unlike a clunky laptop..
- rewoi 6y agoWhat is the size and power consumption? Can it handle 4k TV? Also I would much rather do technical support for Pi, than some old junk in questionable state of disrepair.
- TaylorAlexander 6y agoSure but the pi is more fun.
- SomeoneFromCA 6y agoNot sure if it is more fun to use as a desktop a machine without a normal SSD, questionable video hardware, incompatible with x86. It is certainly an interesting toy, but as a daily driver - nah.
- jcun4128 6y agoWow 8GB is nice impressive. It's too bad to us it's easy to use these things but comparatively easier to say "here's a laptop" to someone less inclined. I was trying to suggest these to people as replaceable computers that you don't have to worry about getting stolen eg. just keep cheap monitor/keyboard/basic phone charger... anyway that's neat. Basic phone charger may have to get bumped up for more amp(s) but yeah.
- Hippocrates 6y agoDoes anyone know if the rPi4 can play HD (1080p) video in a browser smoothly yet? I bought one to use as a media PC after reading that it could play 4K video. Apparently it can’t even do 1080p in the browser though (YouTube etc)
- paines 6y agoYes it can do full hd, ever since at least rPi3. Problem here is chromium. Use omxplayer and the rPi4 will do 4k in full glory. I think you can even use omxplayer with youtube somehow. Chromium doesn't even do hardware decoding on x86 desktops, you just don't notice it, because the cpu's are fast enough to do it nowadays.
- jstsch 6y ago> Chromium doesn't even do hardware decoding on x86 desktops Which is a ridiculous waste of energy... :( you notice it too now using Microsoft Teams (Electron) and Google Meet versus Facetime. Eats your battery in no time.
- magicalhippo 6y ago> you just don't notice it, because the cpu's are fast enough to do it nowadays On my Intel NUC, which is a few years old, I have to use an extension[1] which forces YouTube to serve h264. Otherwise it's a loud laggy mess. [1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/h264ify/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/h264ify/
- danieldk 6y agos|on x86 desktops|on x86/x86_64 Linux desktops|
- rewoi 6y agoCool. I need small machine that can run java and Intellij Idea to go with my phone. Great for section hikes while pretending to do WFH :)
- uHuge 6y agoWhy not have Linux directly on your Android? There are great options and the VNC works reliably.
- rewoi 6y agoI want local machine, so remote VNC is out. There is no Linux like solution for android phone that runs Xserver and OpenJDK reliably. Samsung DEX emulation was the only usable solution, but that was killed off. Termux can not run OpenJDK, some weird issues with crashing. Also most devices do not have enough cooling capacity, max performance can be only delivered in short bursts before CPU gets throttled down. If you hack it to run at full speed for hours, it freezes. PI is simply the only option at this size, with enough CPU power and good Linux support.
- uHuge 6y agoTermux -> proot Arch -> pacman -S jre-openjdk When you want Xserver, you just do so from Android vnc viewer to 127.0.0.1:5901 or so.
- kart23 6y agoThis is cool. Whats really holding it back at this point is it's use of a sd card. I find that its pretty difficult to use 4gb of ram on a pi practically, and its often bottlenecked by I/O. It might just be my SD card, but executing trivial commands sometimes takes forever and reminds me that I'm in a pi. I've heard ssds can improve speeds a lot, but you still cant boot off usb.
- wodenokoto 6y agoCould this be fixed by setting aside a few gb of RAM for a virtual RAM drive, and run the OS from there?
- timthorn 6y agoI've gone for an SSD over USB3, and get good performance - though RAMdisk would certainly be faster still and feasible with 8GB.
- nitrogen 6y agoRunning from RAM would also be great for having an effectively static system -- just reboot to get a clean slate; the hardware storage needn't even be available after boot.
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y agoIIRC this is the default mode of operation on the Alpine Linux version for the Pi.
- jakogut 6y agoIt's fairly trivial to build an entire OS into an initramfs to run from memory. Also, the poor performance of most microSD cards is primarily due to their flash quality, and designed use case in phones and cameras for external storage. Using a quality thumb drive or SSD over USB 3.0 would yield substantially better performance.
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- NightMKoder 6y agoFor folks considering running 64-bit on the pi - I don’t think you need 64-bit userland. I’ve been running a 64-bit kernel on my pi with 32-bit userland perfectly fine. The few things that actually need 64-bit (I’m looking at you mongo) run in 64-bit mode via docker. That said, I’m not 100% sure how much memory overhead I have in this setup vs just running the 64-bit userland. Technically there’s a very interesting “hybrid” abi you can try - 32 bit pointers on a 64 bit ISA. The main benefit is the extra registers that get unlocked in 64-bit mode while keeping memory usage lower. It seems there’s an attempt to do this in Debian [1]. From what I read it’s not a big win for arm though but could be big for x86 - since the ISA is very different between x86 and x86_64. Probably doesn’t matter when ram is so cheap nowadays. Separately I’ve now got a serious case of buyers remorse. I just bought the 4gb version last week. I would have easily shelled out an extra $20 for double the ram. [1] https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64ilp32Port https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64ilp32Port
- rewoi 6y agox86 Linux had PAE mode, where OS could use large memory, but single process was limited to 32bit. There was some performance overhead.
- cmarinas 6y agoNightMKoder's comment was referring to the x32 mode where an application uses the x86_64 ISA and registers but with a 32-bit ABI (ILP32 - int, long, pointers are 32-bit). The kernel is full 64-bit, so there is no overhead like in PAE where the kernel is 32-bit and needs to temporarily map physical addresses above 4GB (using highmem support). On the application side, x32 has some benefits over x86_32 since it has access to a larger register bank and wider registers if needed (e.g long long). On ARM, there are patches implementing ILP32 with an A64 ISA (AArch64 mode and registers). While there probably is an improvement over the A32/T32 ISA, the benefit is not that great since the 32-bit ARM architecture already had 14 general purpose registers (AArch64 has 30). The reason the arm64 ILP32 hasn't made it into mainline Linux is not fully justifying the software porting/maintenance cost over the benefit it brings. Full 64-bit software stack is in general a better option unless you run in a very constraint environment but, in that case, an M-class ARM CPU is probably a better option anyway.
- sdan 6y agoThis is amazing, might buy a couple to add to https://Flocknet.io https://Flocknet.io
- maxgashkov 6y agoHow do you put anything that requires storing of something remotely secret on a general purpose hardware ran by untrusted parties?
- jshield 6y agoSimple, you don't. Not every application has secrets that need to be stored on someone else's computer.
- dstaley 6y agoI really wish Microsoft would release a version of Windows 10 (the full version, not IoT) for the Pi 4 so developers could easily test their apps on an actual ARM device. Being able ship a Raspberry Pi 4 preloaded with Windows 10 to developers could bring a huge boost in the number of apps that support Windows on ARM.
- raghava 6y agoIsn't https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot-core/tutorials/rpi https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot-core/tutorials/... IOT-Core for that purpose, or am I missing it?
- 0-_-0 6y agoSomeone managed to get it running recently (video is 2 days old): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is6qQujk6uU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is6qQujk6uU I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft was also silently working on it.
- zamadatix 6y agoIt's been booted as early as January. https://rpi4-uefi.dev/win10-arm64-on-pi-4b/ https://rpi4-uefi.dev/win10-arm64-on-pi-4b/ is a decent text guide for the pi 4. https://github.com/pftf/RPi4 https://github.com/pftf/RPi4 provides the UEFI implementation. The lack of suitable USB driver for the USB A ports is the main holdup to any reasonably usable setup (with varying workarounds which each have their own limitations) followed by the GPU driver - neither are easily fixed unfortunately.
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- intsunny 6y agoI am strongly hoping that the 8GB Rpi + NexDock would be a good low cost laptop for web browsing, text editing and terminal. I've been turned off from investing in a new laptop for a variety of reasons: - Apple has made questionable hardware design decisions lately. If Louis Rossmann is to be believed, the T2 chip + secureboot situation is just as bad as the old keyboard situation. It sucks having no say over the hardware. - Apple's newest Catalina OS has been strangely unstable for many (including me) and is headed in a strange direction. It sucks having no say over the software. - Intel's chip vulnerabilities are too many and too confusing to keep track of. While their chips are advertised as "Quad core @ 2.4Ghz", I wonder what the actual performance is when all the kernel protections are enabled. - AMD's Ryzen 4000 products look amazing, but (almost?) none of the laptops are 13" with high quality screens. A "laptop" composed of 8GB Rpi + NexDock would allow me much greater control of the hardware and software.
- phonon 6y ago> - AMD's Ryzen 4000 products look amazing, but (almost?) none of the laptops are 13" with high quality screens. Check out the Xiaomi RedmiBook 13 (100% sRGB coverage).
- ChuckNorris89 6y agoThat tops out at 16GB RAM and curios how warranty service looks like in case you have issues.
- nine_k 6y agoTwice as much RAM as the RPi from the article, to say nothing of the CPU, SSD, battery, screen, and keyboard.
- bscphil 6y agoMy laptop's display panel is almost 10 years old, and has about 96% AdobeRGB coverage. 100% sRGB should be considered barely above shit-tier. Probably fine if you don't do any photo or video editing ever, I guess?
- davnicwil 6y agoInteresting announcements at the end of the article: - Rasbian will be renamed to Rasberry Pi OS - They're adding a 64-bit variant in addition to the existing 32-bit
- terrywang 6y agoJust about to grab 2 Pi 4 GB models, will put on hold for price adjustments.. This is really exciting, Pi 4 8GB with support for booting from USB SSD makes a cheap workstation option, many other possibilities as well as server in the garage to replace some VPS in cloud? (for general purpose workloads, can the CPU keep up if 8GB memory is saturated, consider general purpose use cases, memory-bound workloads may work well). Side note: My original Pi 1 is still running Pi-Hole 5.0 fronted by nginx + php-fpm on Raspbian 10, working well for the home LAN ;-)
- youngtaff 6y agoI'd like a Pi with built in POE and eMMC support Something like the profile of the original Ubiquiti CloudKey would be ideal (don't need most of the ports on the Pi) https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-cloud-key/ https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-cloud-key/
- Legogris 6y agoLike a Rock Pi 4? https://rockpi.org/rockpi4 https://rockpi.org/rockpi4
- xvf22 6y agoHmm, PoE support on the Rock Pi 4 seems to be a hat just like the rpi 4.
- hipboi 6y agorpi 4 PoE is only 13W, which is not enough for ROCK Pi 4 with SSD, USB3 etc. We have designed the ROCK Pi 23W PoE. https://wiki.radxa.com/ROCKPI_23W_PoE_HAT https://wiki.radxa.com/ROCKPI_23W_PoE_HAT
- youngtaff 6y agoUnfortunately POE is still external on the Rock Pi 4 A carrier board for Compute Module with just POE / ethernet, USB ports and and SD card slot would be good enough too I literally want same form factor as the Ubiquiti board but with open source support, and sufficient power to charge a phone from the USB port Orange Pi Zero is along the right lines but doesn't have enough RAM for my needs and I'm unsure about the processor http://www.orangepi.org/orangepizerolts/ http://www.orangepi.org/orangepizerolts/
- mobilio 6y agoI'm OPiZ huge fan! But 256MB limitation is killing me. Other was Wifi performance and reliability (for non LTS version).
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- Legogris 6y ago> The BCM2711 chip that we use on Raspberry Pi 4 can address up to 16GB of LPDDR4 SDRAM, so the real barrier to our offering a larger-memory variant was the lack of an 8GB LPDDR4 package. These didn’t exist (at least in a form that we could address) in 2019, but happily our partners at Micron stepped up earlier this year with a suitable part. All other SBCs in this market segments have also been capped at 4GB - I'm hopeful about this leading to larger memory options from other vendors as well before long. Great of RPi to keep pushing the envelope.
- Zenst 6y agoEDIT - got excited as because I misread and brainfarted GB and Gb and below is what followed - sorry for that folks: Interesting as Samsung developed a 8GB LPDDR4 memory chip back in 2013 - https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-develops-industrys-first-8gb-lpddr4-mobile-dram https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-develops-industrys-f... Looking at Micron (who probably tickd the box on price to make this happen), they can do 16Gb modules. So that may well happen. However the power aspect as already indicated from the 4Gb to 8Gb, considerations will prove more interesting. Biggest gain though is more focus upon 64bit, which goes hand in hand with that extra memory.
- dcm360 6y agoThis is a case where you should read with care, and notice the difference between Gb and GB. The chip from 2013 that you mention, has a capacity of 8Gb = 1GB. Chips with a capacity of 16Gb are indeed very common, because manufactures put 8 of them on a RAM-module with a capacity of 16GB.
- fpgaminer 6y agoSo I just got a fun project working with a Raspberry Pi 4. I have it generating a slideshow of fake images using the impressive BigGAN model, and displaying those on a 7" touch screen. It's just for kicks; I wanted a little AI daydreaming on my desk :) Also to see if it was even possible, given how large the BigGAN model is. But lo and behold the 4GB Pi is _just_ enough to run it. I'm half tempted to buy this new 8GB version so I can run at higher resolutions ... but I think the precompiled Tensorflow package for RasPi is 32-bit anyway so might not matter. Here she is: https://i.imgur.com/i22METZ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/i22METZ.jpg
- zucker42 6y agoYou could buy a Jetson Nano developer kit which is $99 and has a GPU (I'm not in anyway associated with Nvidia and have never bought a Nano).
- Mengkudulangsat 6y agoQuestion from a non-technical person. I've been reading a lot about tiny websites on HN (e.g. https://bearblog.dev https://bearblog.dev). Can we use these Raspberry Pis to host them? Are they performant enough? Is setting things up newbie-friendly? Having your own little corner on the internet that no one can shut down sounds pretty cool.
- bottled_poe 6y agoWhen our dev team was just starting out, we ran the business gitlab instance on a raspberry pi 2 model B. It took a few kernel Params to work with only 1GB of RAM, but it got there. His name was Boris and he was the company’s MVP for several years running :)
- vishnumohandas 6y agoQuestions: 1. What was the highest uptime Boris pulled off? 2. Why did you have to decommission him? Was there an eventual hardware failure? Thanks!
- bottled_poe 6y agoBoris was quite reliable, the only issues we had was when we occasionally ran out of disk space and had to clean up some files... Other than that, he kept quite and solemnly did his work. We actually had a separate CI/CD machine to run gitlab runner jobs.. So, boris just needed to run the gitlab web server. Eventually, once we we had more than a handful of staff, we moved to more substantial hardware. We're now running a multi-node on-premises kubernetes cluster (Boris's big brother is putting in work!). Boris is still functional, but he's retired now. He's now part of the business history to inspire the next generation.
- jgalentine007 6y agoThe idea of someone swiping it and literally walking off with your company in their pocket is a bit funny.
- Zenst 6y agoI bought a couple of Pi 3B+'s about a month before the Pi4 was announced. Got myself a RPi4 last month. I'll give you folks a heads up next time I'm buying a Raspberry, seems like I can turn my luck into others fortunes.
- desikoder 6y agoAt this point, I would much rather use any x86 based laptop instead. Their price-to-performance ratio's have significantly increased since the first RPI was introduced and for a 100$, you get a much better package. So, unless the ARM ecosystem grows to allow for pluggable, extensible and better performing solutions than the latest entry-level celeron or ryzen based systems, I am no longer investing into it.
- CydeWeys 6y agoCan you recommend any specific laptops at around that price point that have superior performance? Would these be new or used? And any idea how their power consumption compares to a Raspberry Pi?
- itsspring 6y agoYa, I'm really confused. Does the poster want a $75 laptop? That's called a smartphone, and last I looked the operating system and specs are pretty terrible.
- krageon 6y agoThey said x86, so definitely not a smartphone.
- CydeWeys 6y agoYou can definitely get OK used laptops for $75, that's why I asked that particular clarifying question. I'm wondering if they have any specific models or deals in mind, ideally with a link to an online retailer.
- lozaning 6y agoThinkpad X230 can be picked up for around $100. I use one as my daily driver, another $70 or so picks you up an SSD and a 16GB ram kit.
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- excelblue 6y agoWow, that's a lot of RAM for a SBC. To give a rough idea, that 8GB chip is the same kind that's used in the 256GB DDR4 modules (2x8 chips per side, 2 sides).
- Wowfunhappy 6y agoOptions are cool I guess, but what are people doing with their Pi’s that’s memory-bottlenecked at 4GB? This machine strikes me as a bit unbalanced.
- iforgotpassword 6y agoI was recently wondering if there's any kind of single board computer that would be suitable for just shoveling data on the network at close to 10gbps. If you have something that basically just sendfile()s data, an average desktop PC from 5 years won't pull a sweat saturating 10gbits, barely reaching two digit CPU%. Are there are any SBCs that would have suitable IO for this? The pi4 has USB 3 which internally is connected via PCIe, but the question is whether it could handle eg SATA and Ethernet on it. Not that I actually need this for anything, it would just be cool to have a small case with 1TB SSD that you can plug into a switch and deliver hundreds of MB/s. With 8GB RAM you could even make good use of the fs cache, depending on usage pattern.
- jrockway 6y agoMy experience is that these small computers don't even do well at 1Gbps. When I worked on Google Fiber, we really wanted to implement a speed test between our routers and some trusted server, but the chipset we used couldn't generate data fast enough. (We could route at 1Gbps because it took a hardware fast path, but the software-only path wasn't good enough to provide useful speed tests.) I have subsequently tested RPi4s at another ISP, and again, we couldn't get a gigabit out of them. In fact, I have never gotten 10Gbps out of any software-only path. Routers can do it, but it's hardware accelerated and won't generate packets at that speed. I did recently get 7Gbps out of normal Internet usage, though, with a consumer-grade 10Gbps NIC on an Intel system. Pretty decent, but not 10Gbps. Much optimization is necessary to make 10Gbps a thing. It's not a focus for $35 single-board computers. Those things are just obsolete phone chipsets in a desktop form factor; don't expect much out of them.
- iforgotpassword 6y agoBut it should be about the buses these boards expose shouldn't it? Even the pi4 still has Ethernet over USB which is unnecessary overhead. Getting access to the PCIe lanes directly would be interesting for this. I just researched a bit and it looks like there are boards with SATA port from hardkernel that completely saturate the 1gbit port, so the question is how much faster they could go, and whether it uses a USB bridge too. In general, saturating 10gbit on any x86 from the past couple years isn't a problem. Doing it with a single TCP connection is a bit tricky and requires some tweaking, and jumbo frames help too, but a simple threaded server pushing out data via sendfile to multiple clients easily gets the job done. But yes, I agree that this is not a useful use case for SBCs, one of these things I'd just want to build because I can, not because I should.
- _bxg1 6y ago$75 for what is honestly a capable desktop computer - even for light development work - and is smaller than a phone and has first-class Linux support. Pretty incredible.
- _bxg1 6y agoSomething I just thought of: with public schools going full-remote, there are lots of lower-income households whose children are really struggling to stay in the loop. Has anyone thought about starting a program to package up Raspberry PIs with case, cables, installed OS, and a cheap display, and send them to people for quarantine-education purposes?
- thetinguy 6y agoAt that point you can just get chromebook.
- mister_hn 6y agoI hope the next upgrade would be a bare minimum flash storage so we can get rid of microSD Cards to do the boot from it.