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Apple acquires Dark Sky

• ChrisArchitect 7y ago
  damn, the website is my go-to source for weather, consistently accurate data and easy to access interface, especially for glance-at hourly predictions
• johnl1479 7y ago
  > Android and Wear OS App > The app will no longer be available for download. Service to existing users and subscribers will continue until July 1, 2020, at which point the app will be shut down. Subscribers who are still active at that time will receive a refund. I understand that Apple has no obligation to support a platform that is not their own, but this really hurts to hear after using Dark Sky on Android and the API for _years_
  • georgyo 7y ago
    I agree, this seems like a cheap shot with no actual benefit.
    • dmos62 7y ago
      It's important to acknowledge that there is a benefit: Apple products' value increases in relation to other platforms' when they introduce more exclusive offerings. The right to do this without repercussions is hurting IT. Big IT business is rife with anti-competitive crap that noone should put up with.
      • jaywalk 7y ago
        You really think Apple (or anyone else) should be forced to support software on a competing platform? That's absurd. It's a crappy decision on their part, no doubt. But saying it should be illegal is way out of line.
        • rrix2 7y ago
          apple wasn't forced to purchase dark sky...
        • sudosysgen 7y ago
          I actually don't think it should be legal for a platform to buy software and then remove it from a competing platform. It's incredibly anti-competitive. If they made their own software and didn't put it on Android, sure. But this isn't it.
        • duncanawoods 7y ago
          Many countries have some sort of "Competition Commission" whose role is to determine if acquisitions/mergers are bad for either the market or consumers. This might be for monopolistic reasons or other negative issues. In this case, a platform buying up cross-platform software to eliminate support for competing platforms is clearly causing harm to consumers. In similar situations, a government might legislate to force companies to be either the pipe/platform or a content supplier but not both, to eliminate precisely this type of anti-consumer incentive.
        • dmos62 7y ago
          You can always come up with a ludicrous policy; it doesn't detract from the potential of regulation. Would you accept General Motors buying freeways and not allowing others' platforms on it? Competition must be regulated. Also, isn't the barrier between iOS and Android devices artificial? I don't see a veritable technical reason why the two platforms can't be compatible.
          • jaywalk 7y ago
            > Also, isn't the barrier between iOS and Android devices artificial? No, not even remotely. They are completely different operating systems.
            • dmos62 7y ago
              Not processors though, right? OSX and Windows are distinct as well, but Web apps are portable. The main reason why there isn't an analogue native standard is that the economics incentivize walled gardens.
• untog 7y ago
  Sigh. I mean, congratulations to the founders of Dark Sky. It’s a wonderful app and they deserve all the money they’ll get from this and they deserve a lot of credit for not selling user data when almost every other weather app does. But shutting down the API and Android apps feels like an egregious move by Apple. And I hope we actually see a good improvement to the Apple weather app as a result of this. I remember a few years ago Apple bought a fantastic public transit app (Embark?), shut it down and I still don’t think their Maps app comes close to the original transit app. Vaguely topical thought: I wonder if we’re going to see a lot more of this. A large economic downturn means a lot of small, independent companies will struggle to survive. Being swallowed by a megacorp might be one of the few ways to keep something alive.
  • droopyEyelids 7y ago
    In Tokyo I was blown away by Apple Maps- found it way more useful than Google (gmaps is my default). Maybe only useful to tourists who are used to simpler transit systems, but I was happy to see Apple was driving the state of the art there.
    • ksec 7y ago
      I think this is the new Apple Map, the old Apple Map and Map Data from Japan is possibly the worst of all maps in developed countries. Everyone I know in Japan defaults to Map from Yahoo.
  • ramraj07 7y ago
    A two year wind down time seems more than reasonable for an API though.
    • KeepFlying 7y ago
      Reasonable considering the situation , sure. But the situation shouldn't be happening in the first place. I could understand closing off the API even. What I don't accept is shuttering the Android app. I wish they would keep that alive in even a limited way and keep all the fanciness to Apple at the very least.
• c0nsumer 7y ago
  This is really, really disappointing. I've been pretty critical of Dark Sky at times for being mediocre for more than maybe 12 hours out, but for very short term forecasts it worked great. I spent a fair amount of time outdoors and getting a 30 minute heads-up for "drizzle" versus "heavy rain" was excellent and really let me time how long to stay outside for. I'd really, really like a replacement on Android. While Wunderground could be it, it's unfortunately not. The app is heavy and crappy and ad-laden and weirdly non-nonsensical.
  • farisjarrah 7y ago
    Windy is really great and they seem to try to foster a great community. They have weather apps for android or ios https://www.windy.com/ https://www.windy.com/
    • mrrsm 7y ago
      Thanks for the suggestion, at first glance things look pretty nice. Hopefully their mobile app is as nice as their website.
      • noxiousz 7y ago
        Their mobile app is amazing it's basically a clone of the website so all the features are on the app as well.
    • c0nsumer 7y ago
      It is great, and one of the other main weather apps that I use. But it lacks alerts. Dark Sky gives these (literally "Light Rain Starting in 20 Minutes" or "Heavy Rain Starting in 5 Minutes". Dark Sky also does a fair job of showing general forecast and chances of things over the next week or so. While I use Windy as an app for me to check and see what's going on, it's not nearly there on the prediction front. Much less notifications that help with "Woah -- heavy rain, time to head back to the car" or "Just a drizzle, cool, let's keep going".
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• sgt 7y ago
  I wonder how much Apple paid. Maybe a mix of cash and shares as well?
• mrrsm 7y ago
  > Our goal has always been to provide the world with the best weather information possible, to help as many people as we can stay dry and safe, and to do so in a way that respects your privacy. I don't understand how being acquired by Apple helps further that goal. Removing support for non-Apple devices seems to drastically lower the number of people who you are helping. I am interested in seeing what happens to this service moving forward as it sounds like the API may be closed off completely by 2021 as well.
  • jdminhbg 7y ago
    > I don't understand how being acquired by Apple helps further that goal. Removing support for non-Apple devices seems to drastically lower the number of people who you are helping. I would imagine that DarkSky will become the basis for the default weather apps in iOS and macOS, and the number of people who use those defaults is drastically higher than the number of people who use DarkSky iOS/Android as a third-party app. The total addressable market shrinks, but the functional number of users increases.
    • Aneurysm9_ 7y ago
      That thoroughly misses the point. They could do both. There is zero reason to shrink the addressable market other than Apple not wanting to play with others.
      • atonse 7y ago
        We may not agree (and I don't agree with Apple's move here) but it's hardly surprising that they would shut it down for their direct competitor platform.
        • adambyrtek 7y ago
          Let's not forget that it is/was a paid subscription on Android, so offering it for free on iOS and keeping paid on Android would still give them a significant edge. Somebody else in this thread mentioned that Shazam is still available on Android even after the acquisition, so it's definitely not as obvious as you suggest.
• pwinnski 7y ago
  I use Dark Sky as my exclusive weather app, and I'm on iOS, so I suppose I should be happy. Somehow it just feels like too much in too few hands. Congratulations to Adam Grossman, though.
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• nrki 7y ago
  Money talks, I guess. One thing this doesn't do: incentivise me to buy an iPhone.
• adambyrtek 7y ago
  I'm sending an email to tell them how disappointed I feel as a long-time subscriber about them maliciously (since there is no other more generous explanation) shutting down the service for Android users: https://darksky.net/contact https://darksky.net/contact
  • joombaga 7y ago
    Also, the message in the app seems misleading: """ Effective: 7:00 PM CDT, March 30 Expires: 7:00 PM CDT, June 30 To continue using the app and receiving weather notifications, please update to the latest version. You can read more on our blog. """
    • syntheticnature 7y ago
      It appears they created a new version simply to better display this message, in lieu of using the weather alert interface.
  • kube-system 7y ago
    The Apple employee who opens your email will undoubtedly pat themselves on the back for a job well done.
    • adambyrtek 7y ago
      Well, it's not like they suddenly replaced the whole team overnight, but I guess I get your point. I don't claim it could change anything, but I still believe that it's important to (respectfully) let the team know how their paying ex-customers feel about their decisions.
  • airstrike 7y ago
    > since there is no other more generous explanation How about "Apple just bought a really talented team of developers and want them to work on the Next Big Thing at Apple rather than spend their time on a product that doesn't do anything for Apple's strategy?"
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• 2OEH8eoCRo0 7y ago
  Literally applied to a job posting hours ago.
• minimaxir 7y ago
  Shutting down Android functionality is interesting since Apple did not do that for the Shazam acquisition in 2018 (the PR for that doesn't mention Android at all: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/09/apple-acquires-shazam-offering-more-ways-to-discover-and-enjoy-music/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/09/apple-acquires-shazam...) In fact, Apple has released more apps for Android such as Apple Music in recent years.
  • abrowne 7y ago
    The difference I think is the scale and name recognition of Shazam and wanting to get new customers via Apple Music. They can even say something like "with an iPhone you don't even need an app for Shazam, you can just use Siri", but that works better if non-Apple users know what Shazam is. while this they will probably retire to be used as the nameless backend to the default weather app.
    • divbzero 7y ago
      Still, killing DarkSky on Android seems to offer little gain while hurting DarkSky supporters and generating ill will. I hope Apple and DarkSky can reconsider this decision.
• mystcb 7y ago
  I mean, if true - I offer my congratulations to the Dark Sky founders and I wish them the best of luck. That said - part of me is wondering, it's April 1st tomorrow. Part of me is REALLY hoping it is a joke too! EDIT: Grammar!
  • kyledrake 7y ago
    It's a joke even if it's serious.
• api_or_ipa 7y ago
  Very disappointed. I've been a Dark Sky API user since 2015. It's a huge disappointment that a cash flush, closed ecosystem company is purchasing and shutting down a unique data source for point prediction weather forecasts.
• geddy 7y ago
  > Our API service for existing customers is not changing today, but we will no longer accept new signups. The API will continue to function through the end of 2021. And yet another functional API shut down and privatized. This is the way of the web now, a few companies owning the data, and nothing cool left to mess around with. I can't be the only one who has noticed this trend happening for years. You used to be able to scroll to the footer of practically any service and find an API link. No more.
  • JumpCrisscross 7y ago
    > a few companies owning the data The data are public [1]. Dark Sky et al process and repackage those data, along with their own analytics and UI. [1] https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/webservices/v2 https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/webservices/v2
    • huhtenberg 7y ago
      Et al - maybe, but Dark Sky built their own near-future "hyperlocal" forecasting engine and they were the first ones to do that. They basically invented the whole genre. Perhaps they expanded into repackaging NOAA data now, but that's not what Dark Sky is about.
      • starpilot 7y ago
        http://jackadam.github.io/2011/how-dark-sky-works/ http://jackadam.github.io/2011/how-dark-sky-works/ They used an ML/statistical approach to forecasting, rather than physical modeling. They had some secret sauce in doing fast ML on phones, before libraries like CoreML existed.
      • fooey 7y ago
        Hyperlocal forecasting, who just ejected most of the world from their data collection pool.
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• skizm 7y ago
  Good alternatives for both API and mobile Apps?
  • chris_f 7y ago
    National Weather Service API. Drawback is it's only for the US though. https://www.weather.gov/documentation/services-web-api https://www.weather.gov/documentation/services-web-api
    • jpjpmn 7y ago
      There are a number of global weather data providers in the world - AerisWeather (quite functional, great mapping too), Accuweather (big network but expensive and little instruction), OWM (not very full featured, more for commodity weather), Climacell (robust network but not sure about their data collection practices.)
• pyrophane 7y ago
  I get that these dumb acquisition blog-posts are practically lifted from a template and hardly mean anything, but please don't tell me that your goal is to "to help as many people as we can stay dry and safe" in practically the same breath that you announce you are killing the app on the world's most popular mobile platform.
  • eli 7y ago
    But presumably will instead be pre-installed on the second most popular mobile platform.
    • RosanaAnaDana 7y ago
      >Pre-installed and probably impossible to remove. Thanks for nothing creators of Dark Sky.
      • eli 7y ago
        So the same as the existing Weather app?
        • nxc18 7y ago
          Weather app is not impossible to remove and hasn't been for a long time. source: I just deleted mine
          • eli 7y ago
            Is there any reason to think a Dark Sky powered Apple Weather app will work differently?
  • wastedhours 7y ago
    It's already up on https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/ https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/
• cryptoz 7y ago
  I wonder if they ever used their barometer data. After announcing collection of barometric pressure from devices years ago, there was never an update. FWIW I do this on Android in the US, expanding to iOS and internationally soon: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.allclearweather.android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.allclearwe... Am I the only one doing barometric pressure data research on Android now? Maybe IBM does it, it's also hard to say. The areas of research that Dark Sky did not follow through with are disappointing. They seemed very focused on making math-statistics estimates of forecasts and never doing the real hard science. Maybe Apple will pick up the slack.
• matthewmcg 7y ago
  Interesting that they just unilaterally state that your data is now subject to Apple's privacy policy. Checking the policy in effect before the acquisition[1], it seems they disclosed the possibility of transferring data to an acquirer. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20200311172542/https://darksky.net/privacy https://web.archive.org/web/20200311172542/https://darksky.n...
  • saagarjha 7y ago
    This is sadly fairly standard verbiage for most privacy policies.
• sxg 7y ago
  Oh no! DarkSky.net was my first open source Swift project (back when it was called ForecastIO)! I'm sad to see that the API seems to be going away next year. https://github.com/sxg/forecastio https://github.com/sxg/forecastio
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• kyledrake 7y ago
  > Android and Wear OS App > The app will no longer be available for download. Service to existing users and subscribers will continue until July 1, 2020, at which point the app will be shut down. Subscribers who are still active at that time will receive a refund. IBM bought the Weather Underground app and ruined it, and now Dark Sky was bought by Apple and they're ruining that too. Now I will have zero good weather apps for Android. Just so Apple can flex on Google, even though I was a paying customer for both. During a major pandemic when public services are heavily reduced and poor access to good weather apps could put people in danger. Extremely disgusting and extremely horrible. Always feels great to know that my reward for supporting startups is to be cannon fodder to rounding errors at major corporations.
  • acidburnNSA 7y ago
    This was like the one Android app I paid for. Ugh. Also super annoyed.
    • philistine 7y ago
      You are exactly the reason why companies like Dark Sky can be bought by Apple: you have only ever paid for one Android app. That does not make a vibrant app economy.
      • acidburnNSA 7y ago
        Another thing would help a more vibrant app economy would be if more teams made high-quality apps that I want that I can pay a few dollars a year in exchange for no advertisements or tracking.
  • sandyarmstrong 7y ago
    I cannot begin to say how much IBM ruined Weather Underground. The app was _perfect_! I was thrilled to pay for it. Now it's probably the worst app on my phone and I should just delete it. It takes forever to start, more than half the time it loads no data, and even if it is loaded the UI redesign has made the whole thing slow and useless. Would love suggestions for another app on Android.
• kube-system 7y ago
  Ugh. We just implemented a bunch of functionality using their API. Now we have no path to production with any of it.
• ProAm 7y ago
  Title should be 'Apple acquires DarkSky' Everyone has a price.
• cjlm 7y ago
  This is (selfishly) disappointing as I just built my first Twitter bot[0] using their API. At least it can be live in it's current form until EOY 2021. [0] https://twitter.com/EmojiWeatherVI https://twitter.com/EmojiWeatherVI
• jamesgeck0 7y ago
  This makes it sounds like the forecast won't be available on the website after this summer? Actually kind of annoyed about this; it was great on desktop, and a nice sort of demo version of the full app on mobile.
  • WWLink 7y ago
    Cue the Blizzard Doom guy saying "Do you guys not have phones?" as if that'd get us to stop using our grandpa boxes. I'm not sure what's so terrible about a website that they're desperate to drop development on it. My guess is that juicy analytics data they get from the mobile app. Edit: Except of course, Apple was the one buying. So what the heck do they stand to gain by killing the website?
• macrofig 7y ago
  April fools?
• acemarke 7y ago
  Noooo, the Android app and website are going away? I've been using them the last several years and loved the simplicity and balance of detail. That's awful.
• tonyztan 7y ago
  > "Android and Wear OS App" > "The app will no longer be available for download. Service to existing users and subscribers will continue until July 1, 2020, at which point the app will be shut down. Subscribers who are still active at that time will receive a refund." That's unfortunate. I have been using it for years. Any recommended alternatives?
  • cannam 7y ago
    Same here. I'm afraid my first, vocalised reaction was not a charitable one.
  • Larrikin 7y ago
    This is awful, atleast they are offering a refund but there is no point they couldn't just maintain the Android app
    • askafriend 7y ago
      Focus is likely the reason they don't want to do it. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
      • Larrikin 7y ago
        Every other company maintains two apps, here there is already an existing app.
      • mrlala 7y ago
        >Focus is likely the reason they don't want to do it. Yeah.... I'm sure it has nothing to do with apple trying to force people into their ecosystem by every measure possible. That is practically their mission statement.
• crazygringo 7y ago
  On the one hand, I'm very happy that Dark Sky functionality will presumably become integrated with iOS's weather app. I love Dark Sky and have always found it weird I have to use 2 different weather apps. (And I'm happy for the founders for their $$$.) On the other hand, I feel for Android/web users. Totally sucks to lose it. Perhaps it will push Google to build similar functionality into the stock Android weather app though? That's how competition is supposed to work, after all. The Dark Sky algorithm was always a super clever idea, but I'm not aware of them having patented anything. So I don't see any barrier.
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• post_break 7y ago
  Well this really sucks because I depend on that API. I am not happy about this one bit.
• ngngngng 7y ago
  What a shame. Dark Sky was the best option for me. I live in a small town that shares a zip code with a larger neighboring town. Most weather apps report the weather of the neighboring town, the big problem with that is that I live 2000 feet higher than the neighboring town, causing drastic weather differences. Dark sky was the best I had found, but not perfect, nearly once a week I would report the weather since Dark Sky reported that it was partly cloudy when really it was snowing. Unfortunately since I'm on Android, I'll have to find something else. It's a shame since I've been paying for their upgraded service as long as I've had the app.
  • jpjpmn 7y ago
    I'd highly recommend the AerisWeather contributor plan if AerisWeather doesn't have your town as it is. Very cool democratized platform
  • xenocratus 7y ago
    Same here, Android user who really loved both their app and website. Must be nice for them, getting burried in cash, though.
• fooey 7y ago
  Disappointing to see Apple consume and extinguish a great service.
• fooey 7y ago
  I'm very disappointed to see Apple consume and extinguish a great service.
  • politelemon 7y ago
    They've jumped straight to Extinguish without any of the Embrace or Extend.
    • thatcat 7y ago
      Embrace Extend Extinguish is only for similarly sized competitors, for smaller companies it's just Obtain Extinguish.
  • floatingatoll 7y ago
    "Extinguish" assumes they have no intention to replace third-party data harvesters with their own service. Apple currently redirects their platforms' weather data HTTP requests to third-party services like Weather.com, that are known for aggressively marketing and reselling user data as a primary revenue stream. Seems more likely they see this as a way to improve weather data for their customers without seeing their customers' data abused for marketing and tracking.
    • kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
      They could just get the weather data directly from the national bodies that provide it. It's not like they were hurting for money to staff their own weather division.
      • dsl 7y ago
        Companies like The Weather Channel (which owns weather.com) have been fighting open access to government funded weather data. What you can get now lacks the detail required to do serious predictions or building anything useful. Dark Sky kinda found a workaround by processing radar imagery directly. To your point, it looks like they just spent their money to staff a weather division.
• c54 7y ago
  Congrats to all part of the Dark Sky team! There’s a lot of gloom in here about the death of the android apps, which is sad to be sure, but there’ll be more good apps. Anyways, an exit and aquisition by Apple is exciting and worth feeling good about!
• drewbailey 7y ago
  Android users looking for an alternative, CARROT is fun, accurate, and worth the money http://www.meetcarrot.com/weather/ http://www.meetcarrot.com/weather/
  • hyperenergy 7y ago
    Looks like Darksky is a provider for CARROT, are the other provider choices comparable?
    • drewbailey 7y ago
      Yes, Foreca, ClimaCell are good, AccuWeather, Aeris Weather and MeteoGroup are also available.
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• joncp 7y ago
  Let's not forget that, at least in the US, weather data is publicly funded and excellent forecasts are available at a very granular level. For example, here's the weather at Apple Park: https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lon=-122.009263237495&lat=37.336696137840946 https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lon=-122.009263237... ... And here's the graph for up-to-the-minute detail: https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=37.3367&lon=-122.0093&unit=0&lg=english&FcstType=graphical https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=37.3367&lon=-1... It ain't pretty, but it works and you've already paid for it.
  • toomuchtodo 7y ago
    More importantly, this should be protected and demanded to be expanded upon by citizens. No one can acquire and shut down the National Weather Service, nor any apps they develop with public money released to the public domain. Protect public goods.
    • big_chungus 7y ago
      Dark sky is not a public good, it's a for-profit business that puts a shiny interface on the same information available to everyone. It also added user reporting and analytics, so added material value. The app cost money. Why don't you lobby your congressman to have NOAA develop a better app instead? You can't make a privately-developed program a "public good"; citizens can't just "demand" that dark sky remains independent and expands because they didn't pay for it. Either lobby the government for a better app, wait for the private sector to develop a better app, or lobby the government to attach a license to the data prohibiting commercial use (though this would kill the other apps, too).
      • toomuchtodo 7y ago
        You might re-read my comment. Nowhere do I say Dark Sky is a public good. I do lobby my congressperson for NOAA to have more open data practices and better funding for app development. Citizens can demand products from government be at parity or better than private corporation products, and government has the funding to do it. So why not do it?
• windyaskew 7y ago
  > Our goal has always been to provide the world with the best weather information possible Sounds like they gave up on their goal or changed the definition of "the world" to 13% [1] of smartphone users. I always loved Dark Sky as an Android user, guess I'll find something else. [1] https://www.idc.com/promo/smartphone-market-share/os https://www.idc.com/promo/smartphone-market-share/os
  • alephnan 7y ago
    Seems like many corporations, executives, politicians are blatantly contradicting themselves in the past few weeks
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• abdo2020 7y ago
  Are Happy Or Sad?
• Markoff 7y ago
  boo hoo, they won't let us use the least accurate source (outside US) anymore, I'm crying... >AccuWeather’s predictions were best for temperature averages and highs, probability of precipitation and wind speed. The Weather Channel and Weather Underground came top for low temperature predictions. Dark Sky came last in all these categories. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/30/weather-forecast-apps-smartphone-predictions-forecasting?&ampcf=1 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/30/weather-f... do yourself a favor and on Android install Geometric weather (open source, AccuWeather, simple layout), Today weather (more sources, quite nice looking), Windy (great maps) or Weather M8 (many sources, require adblock)
  • cannam 7y ago
    This may be actually the first useful comment on this subject (including my own!) - I know Windy well enough to know that for all its quality it's not a direct replacement, but will be glad to have a look at the others. Thanks.
• ddevault 7y ago
  Well, this sucks. Can you remember the last time you were happy to hear about an acquisition? Have these ever been anything but negative in the past decade?
• vikramkr 7y ago
  This seems like the type of acquisition that would go unnoticed by the authorities in terms of anti-monopoly regulations, but probably should be. This is a less expensive way of building a moat than trying to merge with samsung or the like, but bit by bit you can build a huge amount of lockin by taking complementors to your competitors off the market.
  • scarface74 7y ago
    So what would be the difference if Apple just built all the features of Dark Sky into the default Weather app and crushed Dark Sky leaving them with no market? And as far as they would still have Android, we all know that the Android market isn’t nearly as profitable for app developers as the iOS market. They wouldn’t have received any money. Why would you want the government to tell developers who you could sell your property to? How would that affect the entire startup ecosystem? Would investors only want to invest money on companies that could go public? Especially seeing that for example only two YC backed companies have ever gone public. Also, if the government did stop Apple from acquiring Dark Sky, are they also going to stop Apple from hiring the developers, the developers let their app rot and Apple still has them to integrate the best features of Dark Sky into the Weather app? I’m always amazed at how willing people on HN are to give up their freedom and independence to the government.
    • vikramkr 7y ago
      I didn't impute that the anti-monopoly regulations are necessarily a good thing or a desirable thing. Just that, if you want to stop monopolies, you're overlooking one of the most powerful ways that they can get built. Anti-monopoly regulations should be investigating this, but they don't. Whether or not we should have anti-monopoly regulations is a different question (and I don't think monopolies are a moral evil inherently and are if anything essential in some areas to drive innovation) But if you want to fight monopolies, you need to be looking at things like this.
      • dnh44 7y ago
        Apple doesn’t have a monopoly in anything so why would anti-trust regulations apply?
• DiabloD3 7y ago
  As an Android user that uses Dark Sky: Fuck you. Everyone else is congratulating the team on a job well done, I'm not. I rely on Dark Sky because there are no better services, and it is a service I pay for. Now I'm going to have to switch to some second rate weather app that can't predict the weather worth a damn because it just regurgitates the NWS. God fucking damnit.
  • jackklika 7y ago
    Same here. It's been the best weather app I've used. I'm not one to get pissed off like this on the internet but I'm heated! Is there any alternative?
  • Yhippa 7y ago
    > Our goal has always been to provide the world with the best weather information possible, to help as many people as we can stay dry and safe, and to do so in a way that respects your privacy. But hey, they are looking out for us!
  • beart 7y ago
    yes I agree. It may sound extreme but this small decision has actually turned me off from ever purchasing an apple product again (I do own an iPhone now but don't frequently use it. There is just no consumer friendly reason possible to shut the Android app off.
    • saym 7y ago
      Especially because it's not the default weather app on any Android device. Users have to seek it out. They're not punishing every android user, just the ones that have already supported the application they've purchased. It's spiteful.
  • freedomben 7y ago
    Weather Timeline used to be awesome, but it used Dark Sky APIs and got shut down during this whole Apple acquisition thing. The app got acquired by MyRadar and they say it will be back using the MyRadar APIs, but will probably never be as good without the Dark Sky data behind it.
• RosanaAnaDana 7y ago
  What a disappointment. I've been building off of this API on some personal projects and now I can throw that away.
• ogre_codes 7y ago
  As an Apple user, it's always a bit bittersweet seeing announcements like this. It often means we'll see some nice upgrades to Apple services, but I feel bad for the non-Apple consumers of this info. It's not just Android, but 3rd party iOS apps benefit from the Dark Sky API as well (I use Carrot Weather which uses it for some of their feeds). Aside from that, it's good to see a great team get some well deserved rewards for their notoriously great product. I just wish there were a better way for great devs to get rewarded.
• StavrosK 7y ago
  "We have always been committed to bringing you accurate, timely weather forecasts, and our acquisition by Apple will help us further that goal more than ever, principally by look how much money I made oh my God that's an obscene amount that's sitting in my bank account right now, for that much money I can almost believe this is best for users wow"
• ogre_codes 7y ago
  As an Apple user, it's always a bit bittersweet seeing announcements like this. It often means we'll see some nice upgrades to Apple services, but I feel bad for the non-Apple consumers of this info. It's not just Android, but 3rd party iOS apps benefit from the Dark Sky API as well (I use Carrot Weather which uses it for some of their feeds). Aside from that, it's good to see a great team get some well deserved rewards for their notoriously great product. I just wish there were a better way for great devs to get rewarded.
  • morpheuskafka 7y ago
    It was only last year that Carrot lost access to the IBM Weather Underground API, and now they will have to replace Dark Sky too. I'm guessing a brand new Catalyst Weather app is coming in iOS 14.
• ecf 7y ago
  > Our API service for existing customers is not changing today, but we will no longer accept new signups. The API will continue to function through the end of 2021. I believe this could be the main reason for the purchase. Apple is still using The Weather Channel as the data source for their stock app. If you take a look at their website you’ll soon realize they’ve jumped the ship and are highlighting articles such as “Koalas rescued from Australia’s Bushfires Return Home”. It appears that The Weather Channel cares very little about showing the actual weather, and switching to a higher quality data source that’s now in-house is probably a really good idea.
  • ebg13 7y ago
    > jumped the ship shark
  • bearcobra 7y ago
    The Weather Company (which no longer owns The Weather Channel) is part of IBM and also owns WeatherUnderground which has a pretty extensive personal weather station network. I'm skeptical that DarkSky's data is that much higher quality even if weather.com is a mess.
• cnst 7y ago
  Dark Sky is a very nice implementation, but what makes them unique, actually? They gather data from public sources, there's no user input to worry about having to censor, there's no networking effect in order to make it useful. It's basically a perfect candidate for a lifestyle project. How big is the team? I'd gather the whole thing could be re-implemented (at least for a single market like US and Canada) in a few months by a single competent backend developer who knows a thing or two about UI/UX as well. Anyone has any idea as to the purchase price?
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  • yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
    > Dark Sky is a very nice implementation, but what makes them unique, actually? Polish is everything.
  • Aldipower 7y ago
    The historical weather data is very unique! Everybody is talking about forecasts, damn, I use Dark Sky to look back in the time. They aggregated this data from a lot of sources over a very large time span and with very good coverage. Nothing can compare to this. Nothing I know about..
    • cnst 7y ago
      Why would you need to look at historical data? I'm sure other places provide it as well; it's available in the web-interface of AccuWeather and many other services, too, for example.
      • Aldipower 7y ago
        AccuWeather provides only data for the day before. That is not very historical. I need to fetch data from years in the past to assign it to dated assets.
• KMuncie 7y ago
  Just a dirty move to shove aside all of us paying Android users. Was going to look at going back to Apple for my next phone but this just brought my opinion of Apple business practices back down to the garbage heap. I am disappointed in the founders for letting that be a part of the acquisition.
  • RosanaAnaDana 7y ago
    Same. Shame on the founders. This project started as a kickstarter, and this is an utter kick in the teeth to a community that wants to support these kinds of projects.
  • entangledqubit 7y ago
    As a paying Dark Sky user on Android, this is very disappointing. I'm extra disappointed since I was under the illusion that Dark Sky was more of a public service entity than a take-the-money-and-run startup. I'll do better due diligence before buying in the future. I'll be filing this story under the general theme: rich company distorts genuine social impact rewards and ends up making people poorer in aggregate. Sadly this just seems normal these days...
• rabboRubble 7y ago
  The really crummy part about the abandonment of the Android user base is that Darksky-now-Apple's user base will lose the end-user weather reporting from the Android user segment. Dark Sky would sometimes report rain instead of snow, snow instead of rain, showers instead of downpours, etc. I could provide feedback that the report was wrong, and how it was wrong.
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  • xd1936 7y ago
    I did this too, but it always felt like shouting into the void. There was no indication that that feature did anything except placebo.
    • rabboRubble 7y ago
      Optimistically, I hoped that the feedback helped improve the pinpoint weather forecasting. Worst case, it functioned as a snow excitment button that I could press.
• MrGilbert 7y ago
  I'm sure this move will break a lot of smart homes. The Dark Sky API was pretty popular among HomeAssistant users (myself included). So I'll have to figure out how to work with the data from DWD (German weather service). I'm pretty sure they won't get aquired by <insert any big company here>.
• bonestamp2 7y ago
  Since Apple is trying to grow service revenue, I wonder why they're not continuing to service API customers? It comes across as entirely anti-competitive.
• draw_down 7y ago
  I wasn't familiar with this, but if it results in the iOS weather app having better forecasts, then great!
• stephenheron 7y ago
  Good for them but at the same time it is a shame for non Apple Users. We use their embed widget quite heavily. Anyone know of any equivalents? I had a quick Google but can't find anything that looks totally equal in feature set.
• dontbeunethical 7y ago
  When you buy an Apple product or invest in them you support evil.
• greymeister 7y ago
  Ah, another reminder of Jason Scott's talk https://youtu.be/qh7EARxkxoU?list=PL7WR9B9eZNmxm8_LzP1Qf8xnN9crHRgNh&t=1873 https://youtu.be/qh7EARxkxoU?list=PL7WR9B9eZNmxm8_LzP1Qf8xnN...
• sorokod 7y ago
  _Android and Wear OS App The app will no longer be available for download_ Good on them for the aqusition but please, easy on the "Our goal has always been to provide the world ..." bullshit
• pietroppeter 7y ago
  Sad news. Their API was very good. What will be a good alternative with global coverage and support for daily detail a few years in the past?
  • polymath21 7y ago
    Very sad indeed. I haven't found anything comparable with global coverage or historical data support that's reasonably priced or has an easy to use self serve UI.
• Urgo 7y ago
  This BETTER be an April Fools' Day joke. I've been using the android app with a subscription for years. If its not a joke, anyone have a recommendation for a replacement? The exact location rain data was my favorite feature.
• m-p-3 7y ago
  > Our goal has always been to provide the world with the best weather information possible, to help as many people as we can stay dry and safe Except those using Android.
• c54 7y ago
  Wow really disappointed to see this, yet another great service gobbled up by a massive corporation. Yet another overly saccharine acquisition letter about there being no better place for the tool than in the hands of one of the big tech companies. Sorry for all android users to see yet another great app hit the dust.
• dhosek 7y ago
  I've been annoyed by every smartphone-based weather app. They treat precipitation as a binary event (Dark Sky at least gives some indication of intensity in the short-term forecast), but it's not terribly useful in a Chicago winter to now know if ️ means flurries or stock up on canned goods.
• bromuro 7y ago
  I wish I could try it but is not available in Europe.
• mortenjorck 7y ago
  It's a genuine shame that the API has to be shut down as part of the transition. With Apple's pivot toward services, why couldn't a rebranded Apple Weather API join the ranks of the Apple Maps API?
• jakebasile 7y ago
  Losing the website sucks. I use it on my Mac since there is no Dark Sky macOS app. Of course there's also no default Weather app on iPad.. I don't see that changing either.
• dguo 7y ago
  "We’re thrilled to have the opportunity to reach far more people, with far more impact, than we ever could alone." I generally don't mind "our incredible journey" posts that much, but I wonder how much mental gymnastics you need to justify that statement when you're shutting down platforms. Congrats to the Dark Sky team though. I've enjoyed using it. Time to look for a replacement as I only use the Android app and website. At this point, I'm tempted to see what I can build for myself with government provided APIs: https://www.weather.gov/documentation/services-web-api https://www.weather.gov/documentation/services-web-api
  • joeblau 7y ago
    If  shuts down the 1M+ (less than 5M) Google[1] accounts and then this weather app becomes the default system backing Siri, there will be a lot more users than the Google Play store users Dark Sky is losing. Right now, Apple's weather is backed by Yahoo! so my guess is that Yahoo! is going away and all 1 billion  devices will now be using Dark Sky. [1] - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.darksky.darksky&hl=en_US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.darksky.da...
    • dguo 7y ago
      That's fair. My counterpoint would be that Apple could have become a customer of the Dark Sky API, achieving essentially the same result without Dark Sky having to kill off platforms. But sure, at that point, it probably makes sense for Apple to just buy the company to make sure that the data supply chain is within their control. I am just a little bitter to lose the service personally.
      • joeblau 7y ago
        Yeah that is understandable. The data is still going to be surfaced via Duck Duck Go, but that's not the same as having an integrated experience.
      • CarlRJ 7y ago
        Counter-counterpoint would be, Apple becomes a customer of the API, and then someone else (Google, Facebook, whoever) buys Dark Sky and Apple has to scramble. I'm bitter too, I build my own local/remote weather station at home (several Raspberry Pi's, an Arduino with a custom shield, and 15k lines of Python), which uses Dark Sky's API as one of its data sources. This means I have a year or so to find a new data source and rewrite a bunch of code (and no source is going to give me exactly the same data from the same sensors, so my 3-4 years of historical data is going to have a definite before/after cutoff in it).
• robgibbons 7y ago
  Shame on Apple. Hopefully the founders feel bad for letting this happen.
• jes5199 7y ago
  we need to bring back anti-trust lawsuits.
• andrewla 7y ago
  I hope that someday we will have an anti-trust regime that scrutinizes this kind of thing more carefully. One of the main things I liked about Dark Sky was that they charged for their app. They were good, people knew they were good and paid for it, so they had a business model other than acquisition. I guess there goes that. Wunderground was completely crippled after their acquisition by the weather channel and became a useless heap of junk; looks like it's Dark Sky's turn. Weather Underground was a great resource, but they never got a funding model that really worked; their subscription-based "ad removal" didn't really work for me.
• _delirium 7y ago
  Uh oh, DuckDuckGo has been using Dark Sky for its weather results for the past year [1]. Wonder what they're going to replace it with once the API shuts down? [1] https://spreadprivacy.com/duckduckgo-weather-results/ https://spreadprivacy.com/duckduckgo-weather-results/
  • yazaddaruvala 7y ago
    They have till 2021 to figure it out. However, based on Apple's historic decisions and the current market conditions, I won't be surprised if Apple buys DDG before the end of 2021. So maybe DDG will not need to worry about switching from DarkSky.
  • snazz 7y ago
    DuckDuckGo already uses Apple Maps, so their relationship with Apple exists today.
    • jolux 7y ago
      anyone can do that: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/mapkitjs https://developer.apple.com/documentation/mapkitjs
  • Dahoon 7y ago
    DuckDuckApple
• joshstrange 7y ago
  I'm surprised I didn't see any comments about Weather Nerd [0]. I used to use Dark Sky but switched to this for more (at least in my opinion) features. I've been using it for a couple years and quite like it. It also has a "is it going to rain in the next hour"-type feature I use a lot. [0] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/weather-nerd/id958363882 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/weather-nerd/id958363882
• ThomPete 7y ago
  Are there competitors to DarkSky out there? One of my startups is looking for hyper-local real-time weather forecasting and unless they keep things running as usual then we would probably need to find someone else.
• gorkish 7y ago
  "Apple acquires" "Google acquires" Shit like I need any more existential dread right now. Wake me up when these phrases don't mean that a huge part of the company's userbase gets fucked. I don't know if this is any better than when they used to just clone 3rd party killer apps (Sherlock). I guess it's more polite to hand over a big bag of money first.
• somehnguy 7y ago
  I never would have imagined paying money for a weather app, but last year I did just that by purchasing Dark Sky on iOS. It's just that much better than other weather apps I've tried. I hope the service continues to be the best in the business as far as accuracy and ease of use goes. Congrats to the team as well.
• ghiculescu 7y ago
  Our SaaS product uses their API for a non-critical feature, I guess at some point we'll have to find an alternative. Any suggestions? (Happy to be pitched by competitors.)
• divbzero 7y ago
  I’ve been a big fan of Dark Sky ever since I discovered them through DuckDuckGo. I’m disappointed to see the API closed to new users, hopeful that they will become the default source for Apple weather apps, but most of all happy for the Dark Sky founders.
  • skykooler 7y ago
    I hope this won't mean that DuckDuckGo has to stop using them as a weather provider.
• mrfusion 7y ago
  I found dark sky to be uncannily accurate in DC. Predicting rainstorms to the minute. But in Florida it’s completely wrong about everything. Says clear sky’s when it’s overcast. No clue about rain. Any ideas why that would be?
• Aldipower 7y ago
  Oh no! C'est une catastrophe! Dark Sky was the API with affordable and reliable _historical_ weather data, which my own app depends on. Looking for an alternative will be hard, because there is none.. Damn! :( Monopoly at it's best. Why the hell do they shutdown the API???
  • stubbedtoe 7y ago
    Same :( Darksky was excellent in that you could put any coordinates and any date in the past and then it would give you hourly weather data. I also am struggling to find an alternative.
• _hardwaregeek 7y ago
  Props to the author for explaining in the first line what the company does.
• mrfusion 7y ago
  So why does Apple want this? What does it get them? Is it just an aquuihire? (Sp)
• thisisbrians 7y ago
  Myself and a few fellow HNers are interested in discussing building an open source alternative to Dark Sky's API. I will have to find/build something that meets this need for my business (bractlet.com), anyway. If you are interested in helping contribute in any way (by coding, providing requirements, etc.), or just want to lurk, please email me: `brian${'at'}bractlet${'dot'}com` I'll get us into a discussion forum of some sort so we can confer. I would clarify that I'm mostly interested in weather data for the United States right now, but am certainly not limiting this effort based on that.
• LeoPanthera 7y ago
  The death of the API is terrible news. Wunderground shut down their API last year when they were acquired by TWC/IBM. That means the only weather providers with an API left are Foreca, ClimaCell, AccuWeather, Aeris, and MeteoGroup. ...and none of these are even vaguely as accurate (in the USA) as Dark Sky or Wunderground. It's a real loss.
• Traster 7y ago
  Well... that's blatantly anticompetitive. There are two mobile platforms: iOS and Android. The owner of iOS is buying apps and removing them from Android. Wtf.
• clSTophEjUdRanu 7y ago
  Worst April fool's joke of all time.
• 7ewis 7y ago
  So, what's the best minute level forecast Android app? Plus, the best API alternative?
• skyfaller 7y ago
  Is https://openweathermap.org/ https://openweathermap.org/ useful as an alternative? I haven’t seen it mentioned in discussions about replacing Dark Sky, and I don’t know enough about the field to compare it.
• mey 7y ago
  Since they are shutting down their API. Anyone have recommendations for a single paid API service that provides global weather coverage?
• stevetursi 7y ago
  Apple making this exclusive to apple makes me less likely to switch to apple products. No app, including something as beloved as dark sky, is meaningful enough to get me to switch platforms, but if I had any good will towards apple it just went out the fucking window.
• namesbc 7y ago
  I use Dark Sky all the time. Such a shame to have it locked up behind Apple's walls
• Razengan 7y ago
  Regarding the people appearing to rage against Apple for dropping Android support, claiming how this move turns them away from Apple etc., that's how I've felt about Google since they took over YouTube and continued to gimp iPad support for years (like refusing to support the native picture-in-picture feature).
• matthewcanty 7y ago
  This is terrible news. I built a weather app with DarkSky API nearly 8 years ago and have been using it ever since. I really hope I’ll manage to find some alternative.
• Igelau 7y ago
  Here I was finally getting over the time they acquired Lala for the sole purpose of murdering it. Now the good weather app on Android is heading for the slaughter too. Screw you, Apple.
• CodeSheikh 7y ago
  Well, time to change location privacy setting from "Always" to "Never".
• 0xff00ffee 7y ago
  Good for them! I was using it when it was Forecast.io and had a simple API. They've been at it for what, 10 years? That's a long time for an equity event but its good to hear. I don't think this is doom-and-gloom apple will ruin it. Hopefully I'm not proven wrong.
• robbiemitchell 7y ago
  If you're looking for an alternative, try Weather Line. It has Dark Sky-like features and so so much more. I have no connection to the company, just love the product. http://weatherlineapp.com/ http://weatherlineapp.com/
• Causality1 7y ago
  Out of curiosity, how much money did it take to get Dark Sky to fuck half their users? What was their soul worth?
• macandcheese 7y ago
  Plug for Hello Weather - my favorite weather app - on iOS and Android. 4 sources (including Dark Sky), great UI, responsive devs, and affordable subscription along with a generous free version - https://helloweatherapp.com/ https://helloweatherapp.com/ No affiliation, just a happy customer.
• bozzcl 7y ago
  I just bought a subscription for this app two months ago. Said subscription isn't showing up on the Play Store anymore... so how do I go about getting a refund?
• myko 7y ago
  Damn, I've had the Android app for years. RIP
• Krasnol 7y ago
  If you are in Germany, consider buying into the German Meteorological Service (Deutscher Wetterdienst) apps instead. https://www.dwd.de/DE/leistungen/warnwetterapp/warnwetterapp.html https://www.dwd.de/DE/leistungen/warnwetterapp/warnwetterapp... Also: they are free for member of emergency services.
• simonmales 7y ago
  The first version of Dark Sky was web application called forecast.io. This sparked an interest in me that web apps can be beautiful and to the ordinary user, look like an "app". I feel they were one of the early adopters of the "PWA" mindset, before the term was coined. Great blog post from 2013: It’s not a web app. It’s an app you install from the web. https://web.archive.org/web/20161221014014/https://blog.darksky.net/its-not-a-web-app-its-an-app-you-install-from-the-web/ https://web.archive.org/web/20161221014014/https://blog.dark... Secondly DuckDuckGo uses Dark Sky for its own weather information. I wonder what the alternative will be now.
• greggman3 7y ago
  It sounds like Dark Sky might do this but I'm curious how often various weather services check for correctness. I've seen the Apple Weather app (which I know is based on a 3rd party) tell me it's sunny and clear when it's raining outside more than once. I also have this fiction that locally run weather services do better than internationally run. My fiction is that weather.com doesn't care if the weather is wrong in Japan or China or Africa they only care it's correct at their offices because the people that work there unconsciously would only notice when it's wrong in their area.
• root_axis 7y ago
  I can't help but feel like the character of this thread would have been much more severe if it were google shutting out all iOS users from one of their services. I do see a lot of ticked off android customers but a surprising lack of "break up these big companies" rhetoric.
• yitchelle 7y ago
  Apple, Google, Amazon etc acquires companies all the time, but this one seems to be a little bit special. For the layman like myself, I don't really understand it. Can someone give a quick explanation?
  • cmauniada 7y ago
    My guess would be to integrate it into their own weather app. Darksky has better forecasting than Apple's own weather app, which I believe is powered by the weather network.
• 0xBA5ED 7y ago
  >We’re thrilled to have the opportunity to reach far more people, with far more impact, than we ever could alone. A few sentences later: >The app will no longer be available for download [on android] Can anyone recommend a good alternative?
• IanCal 7y ago
  > Our goal has always been to provide the world with the best weather information possible, to help as many people as we can stay dry and safe, and to do so in a way that respects your privacy. > There is no better place to accomplish these goals than at Apple. This is then followed by a list of services being shut down and access limited. Awful news for those of us who make a lot of use of the android app and api.
• Abishek_Muthian 7y ago
  I used Dark Sky API for plotting weather (temperature) data against COVID-19 cases. Of the other weather API services, I found this to be most comprehensive for historical weather data; although I doubt whether there is any universal weather API which provides 'actual historical recorded weather data' instead of forecasted data. I emailed Dark Sky's sales team several weeks back reg API usage and didn't receive any reply; I presumed it could be because of quarantine and didn't follow it up. But, now I feel it could be because of the uncertainty from their sale to Apple although the blog says that the API will function till the end of 2021. [1]https://abishekmuthian.com/covid-19-temperature-correlation/ https://abishekmuthian.com/covid-19-temperature-correlation/
• Paraesthetic 7y ago
  Removing the Android and Wear OS apps? how very Apple
• dguest 7y ago
  The situation around weather apps really confuses me: my understanding is that most weather predictions come from massive networks of weather stations and very complicated and expensive simulation, both of which are publicly funded. This information must be available via some public API. Making an app is "just" providing an interface to this. I don't mean that front end design is easy (as demonstrated by a lot of badly designed weather apps), but it does mean that most apps should give you exactly the same information. With this in mind I just looked for a publicly funded app (so no adds, free) and ended up with Yr. Am I missing something here?
• jamespetercook 7y ago
  I have an (unpopular) iOS app that consumes the Dark Sky API. Recently it hit number 7 in the weather category, despite only having had 2 downloads in the previous 23 days. I thought that was rather peculiar at the time and wondered if Apple had intervened somehow, for some reason I couldn't understand.
• ktosobcy 7y ago
  > Our goal has always been to provide the world with the best weather information possible, to help as many people as we can stay dry and safe, and to do so in a way that respects your privacy. > > There is no better place to accomplish these goals than at Apple Congrats et al but above just plainly contradicts itself - "reach wider audience"..."limit app only to apple". I'm sad and furious at the same time :(
• tomaskafka 7y ago
  Hello, weather app developer here (https://wg.tomaskafka.com https://wg.tomaskafka.com) As multiple people speculated on reasons, I believe it is very simple - before the acquisition, Apple didn't have weather data, and thus was forced to direct their users to weather.com, which is a terrible, ad-infested (and probably personal data harvesting) experience. Don't forget, every weather provider gets hourly access to your real location, which is very valuable. Dark Sky acquisition fixes that.
• MomchilIvanovK 7y ago
  In what world does Apple acquire Dark Sky lol?
• adamfeldman 7y ago
  I'm currently exploring https://www.climacell.co https://www.climacell.co as a replacement for Dark Sky's API. https://www.climacell.co/blog/dark-sky-weather-api-customers-can-now-move-to-climacell-for-the-same-price https://www.climacell.co/blog/dark-sky-weather-api-customers... They also offer consumer apps for Android and iOS. The apps' privacy policy page is currently broken, I've asked them to fix it: https://www.climacell.co/legal/app-privacy-policy https://www.climacell.co/legal/app-privacy-policy
• mingli_yuan 7y ago
  You may check ColorfulClouds Weather API https://open.caiyunapp.com/ColorfulClouds_Weather_API https://open.caiyunapp.com/ColorfulClouds_Weather_API