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Strict new curbs on life in UK announced by PM

87 points by ivanmaeder 7y ago

user5994461 7y ago
All non-essential shops are closed and it's not allowed to go out anymore, at the risk of getting fines from the police. Worst thing is. I have to move flat in two weeks. Don't know if will be able to move? or even get the keys? or get the inventory done? Out of all the government measures, in any country. There is nothing about extending letting contracts or freezing rents.
- lvturner 7y ago
  No, the worst thing is that this was avoidable and the rest of the world pleaded with the a UKGOV to abandon its criminally insane herd immunity plan, take its head out of the sand and take evasive action. This is nothing less than a complete failure of leadership. Apologies for being strong worded and political, but it really boils my blood.
  - arcticbull 7y ago
    The herd immunity plan was probably the most rational plan any government put forward. Instead, due to the irrational panic of the population, we've got this. I'm fairly confident time will show leadership was right, and the people wrong, as they tend to be in times of overwhelming uncertainty. The average age of COVID-19 fatalities in Italy is 80, median 82.5, and 99% of them had co-morbid conditions (an average of 3 comorbid conditions). In China the average age was mid-high 70s. Almost nobody outside a risk category has died so far. [1] These folks were on death's doorstep as is. If I'm not mistaken the plan was, rationally, to lock them inside while the problem sorted itself out. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-tho...
    - disgruntledphd2 7y ago
      The only (small) problem with the herd immunity plan was that it would overwhelm the capacity of the NHS to deal with it.
      - dijit 7y ago
        The other (small) problem with herd immunity is that it assumes immunity for a long period, which has no evidence to support it. Another (small) problem is that there is permanent tissue damage in the lungs in those that recover.
        arcticbull 7y ago
        > The other (small) problem with herd immunity is that it assumes immunity for a long period, which has no evidence to support it. True that we don’t know that conclusively here yet, although I wonder if we could base it off other similar viruses. Nobody to my knowledge has been reinfected. Speaking of no evidence... > Another (small) problem is that there is permanent tissue damage in the lungs in those that recover. There is no evidence of that in COVID-19 yet. That doesn’t mean it won’t show up, but it doesn’t mean it will. You’re referencing something that happened in related SARS and MERS diseases which killed over 35%, not 0.35%, of those infected. It’s easily a 2 orders of magnitude worse disease. If you have data or studies share them. Otherwise, stop fearmongering.
        dijit 7y ago
        Succinctly; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN-goy9VOY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN-goy9VOY Their very nice citations: https://sites.google.com/view/sourcescorona https://sites.google.com/view/sourcescorona Mine: Coronavirus' (common cold) and immunity: https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=819038431 https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=819038431 COVID-19's permanent impact to the lungs: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/coronavirus-what-happens-to-peoples-lungs-if-they-get-covid-19 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/coronavirus-wh... -- On a more personal note: "fearmongering" is preferred over loss of life here. We will never know if we did too much to prevent this. But we will definitely know if we did too little. Obviously I'm not asking people to panic, in fact, the opposite. Calm, reasonable and responsible actions do not preclude worry and having a healthy amount of fear for you and your loved ones.
  - pjc50 7y ago
    Indeed. The Cheltenham festival went ahead, for example. Several attendees confirmed infected, including overseas visitors. Good for another few thousand infections at least.
- NullPrefix 7y ago
  >I have to move flat in two weeks Not anymore you don't :D
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- BTinfinity 7y ago
  Well evictions have been banned at the very least. [1] I'm not sure how much that helps your current situation though [1]https://www.gov.uk/government/news/complete-ban-on-evictions-and-additional-protection-for-renters https://www.gov.uk/government/news/complete-ban-on-evictions...
- PopeDotNinja 7y ago
  I've been on quarantine in Spain for 10 days now in an Airbnb. I'll spare you the long version, so here's the short version that I've figured out: - if you can't move out, the next person can't move in, and you have the keys - contact the landlord, say "I have money", and they'll work with you - the owner is just as eff'd as you are, so even though it seems like you're screwed, you're really not - I suggest contacting the owner(s) of the old place & the new place, maybe in the same email thread, and just start a discussion - I promise, you're going to be fine, so just hunker down and enjoy the ride as much as you can :)
  - hanoz 7y ago
    > contact the landlord, say "I have money", and they'll work with you Presumably contacting the landlord saying "I don't have money" also works.
    - PopeDotNinja 7y ago
      I confess I made the assumption that this was a lateral move. If OP is moving from a 16 bedroom palace to a 25 sq meter flat, I may need to revisit my calculations. The main point is that the world is going bat shit crazy right now, and anyone who approached messed situations with calm, reserve, and a bit of cash is going to ahead of most people.
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      - hanoz 7y ago
        My point wasn't that your advice doesn't stand if he doesn't have money, but rather that he doesn't need to have money to tell his landlord that he's terribly sorry but the Prime Minister has just appeared on his tele telling him to stay put.
- throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
  You won't be able to. Get some perspective, this is likely the worst pandemic since 1918. Fuck the flat.
- rvz 7y ago
  > All shops closed and not allowed to get out anymore, at the risk of getting fines from the police. I'm pretty sure it was 'Non-essential stores': shops that sell clothes and electronics stores, etc not 'All shops'. So, supermarkets and pharmacies are still open. Lockdowns are happening across several other countries anyway even as the UK is weeks behind the worst affected country at the moment, Italy.
  - bsimpson 7y ago
    This doesn't even sound like a lockdown: it sounds like the same shelter-in-place that many of us have been under for a week+.
    - slenk 7y ago
      Many? For those of us in the US, its only official in 4 or 5 states
      - zenexer 7y ago
        Including some of the most populous states. It might not be "most people", but a heck of a lot of people are under similar orders.
        slenk 7y ago
        Frankly, I don't think its enough. It needs to be national.
        zenexer 7y ago
        Agreed, but I don’t see that happening unless things get a lot worse, sadly.
      - lonelappde 7y ago
        12 including 5 of the top 10, plus some municipalities like Dallas and Austin's counties in Texas. https://www.axios.com/states-shelter-in-place-coronavirus-66e9987a-a674-42bc-8d3f-070a1c0ee1a9.html https://www.axios.com/states-shelter-in-place-coronavirus-66...
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- agilebyte 7y ago
  From watching all the episodes of "If you don't pay, we'll take it away", I think you can safely stay put... Here in Ontario all evictions have been put on hold and landlords were asked to be lenient if tenants get behind on paying rent.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  > All shops closed ... not allowed to get out anymore This is not true. You are allowed to get out for solitary exercise once a day, for essential basics shopping, for essential work, for medical reasons, to support vulnerable people. Check the facts before you speak. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52012432 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52012432
  - mardifoufs 7y ago
    Once a day? Is that supposed to be better? It's similar to what prisoners get ... If anything it actually just highlights the fact that the population is sort of mass incarcerated right now? Even the bans in Italy didn't specify a daily limit, only valid reasons. This is alarming imo.
    - jshaqaw 7y ago
      We are trying to save mass lives here friend.
      - donatj 7y ago
        Do the ends justify the means though? I'm not sure. My wife has a single functional lung and very bad asthma. We are terrified. I have spent more than a little bit of time helping her down from panic attacks. …And yet, I'm not sure this is the right way to go about it. How many people are killed by automobiles each year? 1.25 million. That's more than Corona is estimated to kill, right? Should we just declare "hell with the economy, outlaw automobiles"?
        slifin 7y ago
        Yes, well I think get rid of all parking in major cities first in favour of park and rides at the edges Lots of people drive for unessential journeys which kills people in collisions, by pollution and increases demand for roads, oil, car services etc which kills more In a climate emergency driving a large Landrover or SUV around cities should be illegal
        7y ago
- JetSetWilly 7y ago
  I was supposed to purchase a house on Thursday, and had exchanged missives for this. Now I can't legally leave the house to do something so trivial as to sign the security. Worse, a month ago I had paid thousands for flooring, appliances, furniture etc from various suppliers all of whom I'm now worried could declare bankruptcy.
  - youngtaff 7y ago
    How did you pay for the flooring, appliances etc.? If it's via credit card (and presuming you're in the UK) you'll be able to claim back against the credit card company
davepmichael 7y ago
And, I still don't know if I should turn up to work tomorrow!
- jon-wood 7y ago
  Unless you’re in an essential job that can’t be done remotely, no, you shouldn’t. Good luck to anyone trying to fire an employee for refusing to break the law.
- throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
  Are you a florist or an intensive care operative. What do you think.
  - DanBC 7y ago
    The UK key worker list is detailed here. It's not particularly clear: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-maintaining-educational-provision/guidance-for-schools-colleges-and-local-authorities-on-maintaining-educational-provision https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid...
    - throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
      That's quality, thanks! (even if a little vague)
- lordnacho 7y ago
  Well, what's your work? Do you make/deliver/sell food or do you work at a hospital?
  - davepmichael 7y ago
    Tooling/services/maintenance/engineering services for construction/building/printers etc (very little for the food industry, but some small things). Also, boss is a dick.
ac2u 7y ago
These measures have little teeth compared to European mainland measures.
- throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
  Don't talk crap. Italy's been in harder lockdown for longer.
  - ac2u 7y ago
    I fail to see how that’s a response to my comment.
    - throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
      Neither do I on reflection. I guess I totally misread it somehow. Apologies.
      - ac2u 7y ago
        No problem, stay healthy!
- mft_ 7y ago
  They’re pretty similar to Germany’s?
rvz 7y ago
Good. This was expected and also unprecedented by the prime minister. The people who tested him on the weekends, by having a non-essential stroll-about in the park and treating this as a joke now can't do that again for the next 3 weeks or else they will get fined. Nobody wanted this but since it is for the urgency for the country to protect others then, such measures are needed to stop the spread somehow.
- throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
  Precisely, nobody wants this but everybody needs it. This is overdue by weeks. Finally bojo gets it.
- benchtobedside 7y ago
  > a non-essential stroll-about in the park Both the article and the video mention daily exercise as essential.
  - rvz 7y ago
    Exactly true. But I didn't mention or say 'exercise' anywhere. But even with that being allowed, it has to be on your own and not with others, which the latter had happened over the weekend in the UK with mass gatherings and ignoring the previous measures. [0] [0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51999864 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51999864
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- alkonaut 7y ago
  Whats all this with people who think walking outside is somehow what causes the spread? And related to that: Have experts in countries with dont-go-out-even-for-a-walk really come out and said that's "it's important that everyone stays indoors in the entire country"? I mean for such a measure you'd expect some good evidence that it works...
  - zozbot234 7y ago
JulianMorrison 7y ago
It's frustrating because we would have been fine without this if people weren't choosing to be selfish jerks. Honestly I feel the people taking holidays by the seaside and congregating in parks should have been arrested for reckless endangerment.
gumby 7y ago
What about walking pets (dogs and horses mainly I assume)? California's rules are interesting (well Santa Clara but I believe they are mostly the same). Some points that caught my attention: - explicit exceptions for visiting elderly or other relatives who need help - explicit permission to exercise pets including visiting homes where pets are alone - home construction is exempt, with a meaningless request for low income housing. While SC has a serious housing shortage and low income housing is crucial, the latter is not going to change in a few weeks while its mention might piss off (ahem) certain people unnecessarily. Also I notice Palo Alto's building permit office is shut. - you're encouraged to go hiking but not to ride a bike, scooter etc in case you end up in the hospital. As there are hardly any cars on the road I'm not sure if this restriction is really worth it. When I walk the dog in the middle of the day I see more people than usual as they are stuck at home. Dogs seem pretty happy. Driveways are full of course.
- slenk 7y ago
  I am confused...are you asking and answering your own question or was this supposed to be a reply for something?
  - gumby 7y ago
    UK seems to exclude it, which seems odd for the country that gave us the rspca. Appears in fact more restrictive on several dimensions.
    - mantap 7y ago
      Walking your dog comes under exercise. You're allowed to go out for a walk as long as you stay 2m away from people who you don't live with.

87 points by ivanmaeder 7y ago

All non-essential shops are closed and it's not allowed to go out anymore, at the risk of getting fines from the police. Worst thing is. I have to move flat in two weeks. Don't know if will be able to move? or even get the keys? or get the inventory done? Out of all the government measures, in any country. There is nothing about extending letting contracts or freezing rents.

lvturner 7y ago
No, the worst thing is that this was avoidable and the rest of the world pleaded with the a UKGOV to abandon its criminally insane herd immunity plan, take its head out of the sand and take evasive action. This is nothing less than a complete failure of leadership. Apologies for being strong worded and political, but it really boils my blood.
- arcticbull 7y ago
  The herd immunity plan was probably the most rational plan any government put forward. Instead, due to the irrational panic of the population, we've got this. I'm fairly confident time will show leadership was right, and the people wrong, as they tend to be in times of overwhelming uncertainty. The average age of COVID-19 fatalities in Italy is 80, median 82.5, and 99% of them had co-morbid conditions (an average of 3 comorbid conditions). In China the average age was mid-high 70s. Almost nobody outside a risk category has died so far. [1] These folks were on death's doorstep as is. If I'm not mistaken the plan was, rationally, to lock them inside while the problem sorted itself out. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-tho...
  - disgruntledphd2 7y ago
    The only (small) problem with the herd immunity plan was that it would overwhelm the capacity of the NHS to deal with it.
    - dijit 7y ago
      The other (small) problem with herd immunity is that it assumes immunity for a long period, which has no evidence to support it. Another (small) problem is that there is permanent tissue damage in the lungs in those that recover.
      - arcticbull 7y ago
        > The other (small) problem with herd immunity is that it assumes immunity for a long period, which has no evidence to support it. True that we don’t know that conclusively here yet, although I wonder if we could base it off other similar viruses. Nobody to my knowledge has been reinfected. Speaking of no evidence... > Another (small) problem is that there is permanent tissue damage in the lungs in those that recover. There is no evidence of that in COVID-19 yet. That doesn’t mean it won’t show up, but it doesn’t mean it will. You’re referencing something that happened in related SARS and MERS diseases which killed over 35%, not 0.35%, of those infected. It’s easily a 2 orders of magnitude worse disease. If you have data or studies share them. Otherwise, stop fearmongering.
        dijit 7y ago
        Succinctly; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN-goy9VOY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN-goy9VOY Their very nice citations: https://sites.google.com/view/sourcescorona https://sites.google.com/view/sourcescorona Mine: Coronavirus' (common cold) and immunity: https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=819038431 https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=819038431 COVID-19's permanent impact to the lungs: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/coronavirus-what-happens-to-peoples-lungs-if-they-get-covid-19 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/coronavirus-wh... -- On a more personal note: "fearmongering" is preferred over loss of life here. We will never know if we did too much to prevent this. But we will definitely know if we did too little. Obviously I'm not asking people to panic, in fact, the opposite. Calm, reasonable and responsible actions do not preclude worry and having a healthy amount of fear for you and your loved ones.
- pjc50 7y ago
  Indeed. The Cheltenham festival went ahead, for example. Several attendees confirmed infected, including overseas visitors. Good for another few thousand infections at least.
NullPrefix 7y ago
>I have to move flat in two weeks Not anymore you don't :D
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BTinfinity 7y ago
Well evictions have been banned at the very least. [1] I'm not sure how much that helps your current situation though [1]https://www.gov.uk/government/news/complete-ban-on-evictions-and-additional-protection-for-renters https://www.gov.uk/government/news/complete-ban-on-evictions...
PopeDotNinja 7y ago
I've been on quarantine in Spain for 10 days now in an Airbnb. I'll spare you the long version, so here's the short version that I've figured out: - if you can't move out, the next person can't move in, and you have the keys - contact the landlord, say "I have money", and they'll work with you - the owner is just as eff'd as you are, so even though it seems like you're screwed, you're really not - I suggest contacting the owner(s) of the old place & the new place, maybe in the same email thread, and just start a discussion - I promise, you're going to be fine, so just hunker down and enjoy the ride as much as you can :)
- hanoz 7y ago
  > contact the landlord, say "I have money", and they'll work with you Presumably contacting the landlord saying "I don't have money" also works.
  - PopeDotNinja 7y ago
    I confess I made the assumption that this was a lateral move. If OP is moving from a 16 bedroom palace to a 25 sq meter flat, I may need to revisit my calculations. The main point is that the world is going bat shit crazy right now, and anyone who approached messed situations with calm, reserve, and a bit of cash is going to ahead of most people.
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    - hanoz 7y ago
      My point wasn't that your advice doesn't stand if he doesn't have money, but rather that he doesn't need to have money to tell his landlord that he's terribly sorry but the Prime Minister has just appeared on his tele telling him to stay put.
throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
You won't be able to. Get some perspective, this is likely the worst pandemic since 1918. Fuck the flat.
rvz 7y ago
> All shops closed and not allowed to get out anymore, at the risk of getting fines from the police. I'm pretty sure it was 'Non-essential stores': shops that sell clothes and electronics stores, etc not 'All shops'. So, supermarkets and pharmacies are still open. Lockdowns are happening across several other countries anyway even as the UK is weeks behind the worst affected country at the moment, Italy.
- bsimpson 7y ago
  This doesn't even sound like a lockdown: it sounds like the same shelter-in-place that many of us have been under for a week+.
  - slenk 7y ago
    Many? For those of us in the US, its only official in 4 or 5 states
    - zenexer 7y ago
      Including some of the most populous states. It might not be "most people", but a heck of a lot of people are under similar orders.
      - slenk 7y ago
        Frankly, I don't think its enough. It needs to be national.
        zenexer 7y ago
        Agreed, but I don’t see that happening unless things get a lot worse, sadly.
    - lonelappde 7y ago
      12 including 5 of the top 10, plus some municipalities like Dallas and Austin's counties in Texas. https://www.axios.com/states-shelter-in-place-coronavirus-66e9987a-a674-42bc-8d3f-070a1c0ee1a9.html https://www.axios.com/states-shelter-in-place-coronavirus-66...
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agilebyte 7y ago
From watching all the episodes of "If you don't pay, we'll take it away", I think you can safely stay put... Here in Ontario all evictions have been put on hold and landlords were asked to be lenient if tenants get behind on paying rent.
chrisseaton 7y ago
> All shops closed ... not allowed to get out anymore This is not true. You are allowed to get out for solitary exercise once a day, for essential basics shopping, for essential work, for medical reasons, to support vulnerable people. Check the facts before you speak. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52012432 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52012432
- mardifoufs 7y ago
  Once a day? Is that supposed to be better? It's similar to what prisoners get ... If anything it actually just highlights the fact that the population is sort of mass incarcerated right now? Even the bans in Italy didn't specify a daily limit, only valid reasons. This is alarming imo.
  - jshaqaw 7y ago
    We are trying to save mass lives here friend.
    - donatj 7y ago
      Do the ends justify the means though? I'm not sure. My wife has a single functional lung and very bad asthma. We are terrified. I have spent more than a little bit of time helping her down from panic attacks. …And yet, I'm not sure this is the right way to go about it. How many people are killed by automobiles each year? 1.25 million. That's more than Corona is estimated to kill, right? Should we just declare "hell with the economy, outlaw automobiles"?
      - slifin 7y ago
        Yes, well I think get rid of all parking in major cities first in favour of park and rides at the edges Lots of people drive for unessential journeys which kills people in collisions, by pollution and increases demand for roads, oil, car services etc which kills more In a climate emergency driving a large Landrover or SUV around cities should be illegal
      - 7y ago
JetSetWilly 7y ago
I was supposed to purchase a house on Thursday, and had exchanged missives for this. Now I can't legally leave the house to do something so trivial as to sign the security. Worse, a month ago I had paid thousands for flooring, appliances, furniture etc from various suppliers all of whom I'm now worried could declare bankruptcy.
- youngtaff 7y ago
  How did you pay for the flooring, appliances etc.? If it's via credit card (and presuming you're in the UK) you'll be able to claim back against the credit card company

davepmichael 7y ago

And, I still don't know if I should turn up to work tomorrow!

jon-wood 7y ago
Unless you’re in an essential job that can’t be done remotely, no, you shouldn’t. Good luck to anyone trying to fire an employee for refusing to break the law.
throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
Are you a florist or an intensive care operative. What do you think.
- DanBC 7y ago
  The UK key worker list is detailed here. It's not particularly clear: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-maintaining-educational-provision/guidance-for-schools-colleges-and-local-authorities-on-maintaining-educational-provision https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid...
  - throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
    That's quality, thanks! (even if a little vague)
lordnacho 7y ago
Well, what's your work? Do you make/deliver/sell food or do you work at a hospital?
- davepmichael 7y ago
  Tooling/services/maintenance/engineering services for construction/building/printers etc (very little for the food industry, but some small things). Also, boss is a dick.

ac2u 7y ago

These measures have little teeth compared to European mainland measures.

throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
Don't talk crap. Italy's been in harder lockdown for longer.
- ac2u 7y ago
  I fail to see how that’s a response to my comment.
  - throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
    Neither do I on reflection. I guess I totally misread it somehow. Apologies.
    - ac2u 7y ago
      No problem, stay healthy!
mft_ 7y ago
They’re pretty similar to Germany’s?

rvz 7y ago

Good. This was expected and also unprecedented by the prime minister. The people who tested him on the weekends, by having a non-essential stroll-about in the park and treating this as a joke now can't do that again for the next 3 weeks or else they will get fined. Nobody wanted this but since it is for the urgency for the country to protect others then, such measures are needed to stop the spread somehow.

throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
Precisely, nobody wants this but everybody needs it. This is overdue by weeks. Finally bojo gets it.
benchtobedside 7y ago
> a non-essential stroll-about in the park Both the article and the video mention daily exercise as essential.
- rvz 7y ago
  Exactly true. But I didn't mention or say 'exercise' anywhere. But even with that being allowed, it has to be on your own and not with others, which the latter had happened over the weekend in the UK with mass gatherings and ignoring the previous measures. [0] [0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51999864 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51999864
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alkonaut 7y ago
Whats all this with people who think walking outside is somehow what causes the spread? And related to that: Have experts in countries with dont-go-out-even-for-a-walk really come out and said that's "it's important that everyone stays indoors in the entire country"? I mean for such a measure you'd expect some good evidence that it works...
- zozbot234 7y ago

JulianMorrison 7y ago

It's frustrating because we would have been fine without this if people weren't choosing to be selfish jerks. Honestly I feel the people taking holidays by the seaside and congregating in parks should have been arrested for reckless endangerment.

gumby 7y ago

What about walking pets (dogs and horses mainly I assume)? California's rules are interesting (well Santa Clara but I believe they are mostly the same). Some points that caught my attention: - explicit exceptions for visiting elderly or other relatives who need help - explicit permission to exercise pets including visiting homes where pets are alone - home construction is exempt, with a meaningless request for low income housing. While SC has a serious housing shortage and low income housing is crucial, the latter is not going to change in a few weeks while its mention might piss off (ahem) certain people unnecessarily. Also I notice Palo Alto's building permit office is shut. - you're encouraged to go hiking but not to ride a bike, scooter etc in case you end up in the hospital. As there are hardly any cars on the road I'm not sure if this restriction is really worth it. When I walk the dog in the middle of the day I see more people than usual as they are stuck at home. Dogs seem pretty happy. Driveways are full of course.

slenk 7y ago
I am confused...are you asking and answering your own question or was this supposed to be a reply for something?
- gumby 7y ago
  UK seems to exclude it, which seems odd for the country that gave us the rspca. Appears in fact more restrictive on several dimensions.
  - mantap 7y ago
    Walking your dog comes under exercise. You're allowed to go out for a walk as long as you stay 2m away from people who you don't live with.