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Popcorn Time 4.0
- rafaelvasco 7y agoIf it's not on Netflix or any streaming provider, I have no choice but to pirate it. Plain and simple. Most media content is still outside the main providers.
- iwasakabukiman 7y agoThat’s absolutely false. You have the choice not to watch it instead of stealing it.
- tadzik_ 7y agoHow is that anywhere close to stealing? The only person who loses anything in this situation is the person that chose not to pirate the content that was not available to them.
- iwasakabukiman 7y agoI'm tired of arguing over semantics with people. Call it copyright infringement then. Either way, it is generally illegal. Just pay the $3 to rent the movie.
- tadzik_ 7y agoThe original comment is about content not available to "rent". How are you supposed to pay the $3 then? Doing that through a VPN would also violate the ToS (or: be generally illegal).
- olah_1 7y agoPro-tip: You can now digitally rent basically every movie from Youtube or Amazon. Services like https://www.justwatch.com/ https://www.justwatch.com/ make it easy to not break the law. I used to use Popcorn time all the time, but honestly it kinda feels good to not steal /shrug
- sakarisson 7y agoI don't have an ethical problem with illegally pirating content either, but it does grind my gears when people make that kind argument. Nothing is forcing anyone to illegally download Westworld. Digital content isn't essential for your well-being, so I find always find it very odd when people try to justify stealing it.
- Mediterraneo10 7y ago> Digital content isn't essential for your well-being It is essential for one's erudition, which historically has been considered important for an informed citizenry that knows the good and the beautiful. Take the mid-20th century canon of films, works by directors like Ozu, Kurosawa, Godard, Truffaut, Antonioni, etc. These are recognized as classics of film art and part of our general cultural heritage now. However, due to changes in legislation in the years since they were made, they are still under copyright, and so a person would have to spend thousands of dollars to legally obtain a cultural education that, in this day and age, ought to be available to anyone regardless of their means. A person pirating such films is not necessarily doing it for daft entertainment (because often these classics are not particularly fun and entertaining), but simply to learn and be familiar with the canon. And before you say that one can turn to the library instead of torrenting: many countries around the world never had well-stocked libraries to begin with. In fact, in some of these same countries it can be less than straightforward to purchase the content even if one has the money to spend.
- andybak 7y ago> basically every movie I find a good 10-20% of things unavailable across Netflix + all non-subscription services.
- fernandotakai 7y agodepends on where you live. i can't rent any movies on amazon and while youtube offers some movies, they are either subtitled in my native language (which i don't like, i prefer english subtitles) or they are dubbed (which is even worse).
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- pachico 7y agoI'm a huge fan of swing manouche (jazz style developed during the '40s). I can't find albums in legal sources that I can instead find in Nicotine++ (a Linux version of the old Soulseek). What should I do? Accept that I won't find it? I remember once writing to an Aussie record label asking for a copy of an old album of Brett Garsed. They told me I wouldn't find it here in Europe nor they had the means to send it to me. Should I just accept it? Once again, I could find it in Nicotine++. I can't find many movies I like in original language in Netflix, HBO and Amazon, all services I have legal accounts for. Again, should I just accept I won't watch them knowing that I might find them in other channels? I live in Spain, country where I pay a compensation copyright tax for every pen drive, computer, hard drive, TV set, etc, I purchase just in case I download something "illegally". It turns out I'm lazy/I choose not to spend the required time and I accept not enjoying albums and movies I otherwise would. Well, let me tell you I applaud Popcorn Time.
- severine 7y agoFellow Soulseeker here. The compensation copyright tax ended in 2011: Cancellation of the fee On March 24, 2011, the National Court annulled the order that regulates the rates applicable to the various devices and supports recorded with the digital canon. The reason is that, because it is a regulation, it needed procedures related to supporting and economic reports that were not carried out. On July 12, 2011, the Congress of Deputies voted favorably on a non-law proposal that urges the Government to abolish said canon and replace it with another compensation formula for authors and content owners that is more suited to copies and uses actually made. On December 31, 2011 the canon was definitively repealed by the newly constituted new Congress of Deputies, being replaced by a new payment this time by the State whose procedure is about to be developed. Source (in spanish): https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_por_copia_privada_(Espa%C3%B1a)#Anulaci%C3%B3n_del_canon https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_por_copia_privada_(Espa%... I join the clapping, sorry for the nitpick!
- pachico 7y agoNothing to feel sorry about! I don't know how I could have missed that but I'm so lucky it ended! Having said this, I still find myself entitled to search for copies of cultural material I like :) Still, too lazy/don't have the time to do it.
- wayoutthere 7y agoJust in time for the coronavirus lockdown that has the major ISPs throttling torrents to nothing due to network congestion.
- llcoolv 7y agoI am not really sure if it is the ISPs' conspiracy or that there is simply a lot more demand than supply. E.g. limited seeding a lot of leeching. Last night I wasn't able to open any of the two bittorrent catalogs that I use (PBay and rarbg).
- wayoutthere 7y agoOh I don't think it's a conspiracy; I think it's just network congestion. Torrent traffic has been QoSed to hell for a long time (as it should be tbh), so when there's congestion it's the first thing to get dropped. FWIW I'm getting a lot of frameskips from my video chats, so I think it's legitimately congested.
- rckclmbr 7y ago> as it should be tbh Absolutely not. There are very legal reasons torrents are used (its great for releasing large datasets). Isps should treat all data the same.
- owl57 7y agoI believe most ISPs don't care if the file you download is "good" or "bad". What they probably do, and IMHO should care about, is prioritizing interactive applications over bulk downloads.
- wayoutthere 7y agoAnyone with the "all data is the same!" mindset hasn't worked in a carrier-scale network. QoS with packet prioritization is an absolute must from an ops standpoint; otherwise your DNS queries would be prioritized at the same rate as someone streaming Netflix. Drop Netflix packets and the video quality degrades a little; drop DNS packets and you effectively have a total outage and customers are burning up your phone lines. DNS and SYN/ACK are probably the highest priority, but there are other tiers for things like VoIP, online games, etc. that have good reasons to go above "bulk" traffic. It's more about latency sensitivity than anything; but with asymmetric connections (which many ISPs, particularly cable, are forced into for very good technical reasons) Torrents in particular can have a disproportionate impact on available upstream bandwidth. For that reason, most ISPs will crush Torrent downstream to limit upstream data rates (which they can't QoS as easily). I can't say it's the wrong call; and it has nothing to do with the legality of whatever people are downloading.
- llcoolv 7y agoOr ghettoflix as we call it :D Is this the same repo that is in Archlinux AUR?
- captn3m0 7y agoYes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22604114 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22604114
- awicz 7y agoSerious question about torrents: How is this not stealing? I'm not trying to be judgemental. I certainly don't have any room to do so as I used Napster and the likes back in the day. Now with the advent of Amazon Prime, Hulu, Netflix, etc, I'm genuinely curious to know the moral argument for using services and platforms that utilize torrents to distribute media other creators are actually trying to sell? Edit: Apparently this question has upset a good number of people. It was a genuine inquiry. It would have been nice to see your thoughts in written form instead of the downvotes. To those that did answer--thanks! Really incredible how complicated the licensing arrangements are across the world.
- throwaway9d0291 7y agoFor me the argument is and has basically always been availability. I don't live in the United States and if I want to watch say Westworld, even though it's airing on the national broadcaster for free, it only does so in French, which I don't understand. There's nowhere I can legally watch the English version so my only option is piracy. In other cases it's because the market is fragmented. Were I still living in the US, I'd happily pay $20/mo for a Netflix subscription (and do) but I wouldn't pay $10/m for each of Amazon, Hulu, Netflix, Disney Plus, HBO for American stuff plus another $10/mo for each anime streaming service that has an exclusive.
- p2t2p 7y agoRecently I torrented this nice little piece of art: https://www.discogs.com/Django-Reinhardt-Djangologie-1928-1950/release/4259143 https://www.discogs.com/Django-Reinhardt-Djangologie-1928-19.... Now, good luck finding where to buy it =). (I did try) Spotify doesn't have even half of my collection of Johnny Horton (which I torrented as well). Also, I'm afraid of censorship. Some of the early 20th century county singers we throwing n-words left right and center and you won't find them on Spotify. Same for Apple Music. With Apple Music it even worse. Music disappears from the library _suddenly_. Just because same shady firm has it's license expired in Australia. Internet is full of stories of people who were unable to re-download movies or music form iTunes because the right owner has deleted it from the store. No, no money back. So the only place where I pay for music is Bandcamp, which lets you download the stuff you paid for, right here, right now in variety of formats including lossless.
- k__ 7y agoWhat did they change?
- TheGallopedHigh 7y agoThey likely have a release notes...
- k__ 7y agoI looked on Github, Reddit, and their website. Nothing. :/
- seemethere 7y agoChangelog hasn't been updated in 3 years. :/ https://github.com/popcorn-official/popcorn-desktop/blob/v0.4.0/CHANGELOG.md https://github.com/popcorn-official/popcorn-desktop/blob/v0....
- 1_player 7y agoSay what you will about stealing, illegality, unsavouriness. If the film industry would collectively take their head out of their arses and provide such a simple interface and wide catalogue to the masses, they would make hundreds of billions. I would literally pay $50 a month for an official and legal version of this. The end users don't really care that it is not possible because "legal reasons". This app proves otherwise and I wholeheartedly approve of their mission. EDIT: if I would pay $50 a month, why am I not buying/renting movies on iTunes or Amazon for the same amount? For the same reason Spotify or Apple Music are making a killing. Give me a flat rate and let me watch _everything_, it's hard to decide if that new movie just out is worth spending $15 on. Might be crap.
- esarbe 7y agoThe whole business model of the content industry is based on perverting the idea of copyright and extending it beyond any reasonable limit. And with copyright terms extended to eternity and beyond, they are effectively stealing the cultural intellectual property of every living generation, depriving us of the basic means to creatively comment on our own cultural heritage. So, I have no problem with "stealing".
- BoorishBears 7y agoI don’t really get this. The media industry collectively thinks what they make is worth the collective cost of all their streaming services (probably hundreds of dollars a month). They’ve spent BILLIONS making the movies that make up these catalogs. And before you say “well they already made it back” let me remind you we’re on a tech forum, what industry makes the most money from “selling the same experience over and over again until your margins are nutty” You feel you have the right to watch EVERYTHING they make, a subset of a few lifetimes of content just won’t do for the modern man. So instead of sticking it to them and not buying into their game until they’re forced to reform... you go and spend time illegally downloading their movies so that instead of getting the message “we don’t make stuff good enough to justify it’s price”, they get the message “we’re doing so well that people are stealing our content, go lobby for copyright laws harder or something Legal”. Because more media than people who spent 100s of dollars to experience not that long ago is not ok, you need to have ALL of it. And if they don’t feel it’s in their best interests, you’re going to steal it (and yes, it’s stealing enough with the “but I didn’t take the original”, why don’t you go copy all your employer's IP and post it on pastebin then tell the cops you just made a copy”) - I personally pay for like, 2 services? There is A LOT of media on there. For 30$ a month I’m getting access to more shoes and movies than cable would provide for 100s of dollars once upon a time. More than any sane person could watch in one lifetime. Sometimes I have to forgo watching something because it’s not on the service I want. I don’t bother going to steal it. Once upon a time I was a kid with no money and no job, less impulse control and much more time to waste, so I would, let me not pretend I’ve never done it.... But now I’m an adult, I can decide not to watch something and watch something else if I feel it’s not worth my money. If there’s a movie worth enough to me I can usually pay for access to it specifically (one off payment before someone starts waving the subscriptions are murder stick... on a tech forum). But that’s actually never happened. Because there’s so much content there, unless you have this mentality of “I must have it all, I deserve it all, nothing less will do” I don’t see how 50$ a month of services (your cutoff) would not be enough.
- Avalaxy 7y agoWhen I download it, it's blocked by Windows Defender. Does anyone know why?
- j0hnml 7y agoWhat’s the suspected threat name? It should say when a file gets quarantined.
- longas 7y agoWindows blocks it because the app is not digitally signed with a Code Signing Certificate ($200+/year). You can still install it if you press in the "Show more" button and then "Run anyway".
- mindslight 7y agoThe problem likely isn't the money, but rather it would paint a big red target on their back with a legal entity to sue. And it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft would easily revoke a certificate, even without any legal judgment. That's the problem with code signing. It's just an attempt to graft the status quo monkeysphere onto the digital realm - you "know" the author of the code, so therefore you trust it completely, because you can sue them post-hoc if they harm you. This doesn't scale to the digital world, but that hasn't stopped these unimaginative power-hungry companies from trying to force us into it.
- rado 7y agoI've tried many times to purchase/stream films online, cash in hand, only to be denied because of various BS reasons. This is all that needs to be said about the industry and piracy.
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- fernandotakai 7y agosometimes i CAN'T buy/watch films online because they are not available in my country. so i would have to buy the film in physical form so i can watch it.
- globular-toast 7y agoWhat effect is this going to have on torrent swarms? It seems to me that if everyone downloaded blocks in order it would defeat the purpose of bittorrent and mean the beginning would be seeded much better than the end.
- kristerv 7y agoCHANGELOG.md's last entry is 0.3.10 Beta - Popcorn Is Love - 31 October 2016 No info anywhere. Did it actually change?
- mpalmer 7y agoQuite a bit: https://github.com/popcorn-official/popcorn-desktop/compare/v0.3.9-flatpak0-a...v0.4.0 https://github.com/popcorn-official/popcorn-desktop/compare/... No write-up I can find though.
- mciancia 7y agoAnyone knows what is the difference between this project and https://getpopcorntime.is https://getpopcorntime.is ?
- kapsteur 7y agoThe timing is juste perfect
- rezeroed 7y agoI wonder to what degree piracy serves as marketing ie someone pirates the film then tells three non-pirates what a good film it was, and they pay for it.
- KenanSulayman 7y agoIt's rather suspicious that the macOS binaries are distributed as pkg files requiring root permissions... Edit: the binaries inside seem OK. I assume it's to bypass the Gatekeeper lockdown when a user downloads an app file.
- thatsnotmepls 7y agoPopcorn Time or Stremio?
- songshuu 7y agoBest news of 2020. Literally.
- techntoke 7y agoTorrents are terrible for streaming unless you get invited to a private tracker, and then you end up having to share a bunch too making yourself a bigger target.
- sm4rk0 7y agoWhy 4.0 in title when it's actually v0.4.0? https://github.com/popcorn-official/popcorn-desktop/releases/tag/v0.4.0 https://github.com/popcorn-official/popcorn-desktop/releases...
- icarito 7y agoI downloaded the 64bit Linux build and it has a strange executable called "payload". I moved it out of precautio and still launched the app, and it seems to work fine without this executable. What is this "payload"? Anyone know? A quick search didn't find anything relevant.
- laresistance 7y agoYou're not the first one to notice something odd [0] Added to the fact that you need a boatload of stuff to even build it [1], and you get an interesting cocktail of mass-exploitation. 0: https://old.reddit.com/r/mealtimevideos/comments/dulvpz/subscription_services_scott_the_woz_1425/f77pmeo/?context=3 https://old.reddit.com/r/mealtimevideos/comments/dulvpz/subs... 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22614247 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22614247 This doesn't look good: https://old.reddit.com/r/PopCornTime/comments/flcqsd/trojan_script_located_in_popcorntime_downloaded/ https://old.reddit.com/r/PopCornTime/comments/flcqsd/trojan_... https://old.reddit.com/r/PopCornTime/comments/fknfnm/is_this_still_the_real_popcorntime_or_is_the/ https://old.reddit.com/r/PopCornTime/comments/fknfnm/is_this... https://old.reddit.com/r/PopCornTime/comments/fluait/the_vpn_integration_in_40_is_way_too_obnoxious/ https://old.reddit.com/r/PopCornTime/comments/fluait/the_vpn...
- zmaten 7y agoAnyone actually tried this update? 1. It deletes your favorites folder 2. An obnoxious blinking icon in the main page and a label while the stream is being prepared is trying to nudge you into buying a VPN service 3. The option to load subtitles is botched Here if you want the old(0.3.x) version: https://get.popcorntime.app/repo/build/ https://get.popcorntime.app/repo/build/
- aorth 7y agoWow, you need npm, bower, yarn, and gulp to build and run this thing. Pretty cool, though...
- Kaze404 7y agoOr you can just download the appropriate binary for your system.