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Probably not. Facts aren't copyrightable but creative works are. So prices on Amazon.com are facts. User reviews are creative so probably copyrighted. Similar

Probably not. Facts aren't copyrightable but creative works are. So prices on Amazon.com are facts. User reviews are creative so probably copyrighted. Similarly the videos on YouTube are copyrighted. However the number of views and the number of likes are probably scrapable.

chii 7y ago
> User reviews are creative so probably copyrighted. I wonder if the number of stars are copyrighted. It's not creative, but a fact.
- mantap 7y ago
  Probably not since each star review is a separate "work" by a separate author. Mechanically combining multiple non-copyrightable things into one doesn't make it copyrightable. If Amazon arranged their users' star reviews into an infographic that would be copyrightable.
amelius 7y ago
Why would a review be a copyrightable creative work, while a LinkedIn resume wouldn't be?
- dec0dedab0de 7y ago
  I think perhaps the layout, cover letter, and maybe any flourishing notes are copyrightable, but the actual details of work experience and education are not.
  - wtetzner 7y ago
    Yeah, I would think the "description" section for each job would be copyrightable, but the simple "title", "company", "year" fields would not be.
kabacha 7y ago
See that's where I have problem with this. Isn't data just _data_? Lets draw some pararells to real life. If I go to public space like town square - can't I take pictures, notes and records then go home and draw my analytics from it? What if I read something in a book I bought, can't I quote it? Same thing should be with web resources even if they are creative - as long as I don't publish them I should be able to scrape whatever public resources I want and use them in my analytics, machine learning or whatever.
- pc86 7y ago
  > Isn't data just data? No. At the risk of just repeating the comment you didn't understand, creative works are not "just data" - they are copyrightable works that the owner has control over who can use them, not just for profit, but for any reason with few exceptions. You don't just get to drop someone else's work product into your algorithm without their permission.
  - kabacha 7y ago
    > You don't just get to drop someone else's work product into your algorithm without their permission. Why not?
    - ncallaway 7y ago
      Because copyright law exists.
      - dkarras 7y ago
        I don't think using data as input to an algorithm necessarily breaks copyright law. I can read a book to post my impression on it somewhere right? I can read it and say "it was beautiful" on twitter. I can then automate my "taste meter" through machine learning, it reads a given book character by character, and spits out what I'd think of it if I actually read it. Then posts it on twitter, says "it was beautiful". Did I break copyright law? I don't think so.
  - 7y ago

chii 7y ago

> User reviews are creative so probably copyrighted. I wonder if the number of stars are copyrighted. It's not creative, but a fact.

mantap 7y ago
Probably not since each star review is a separate "work" by a separate author. Mechanically combining multiple non-copyrightable things into one doesn't make it copyrightable. If Amazon arranged their users' star reviews into an infographic that would be copyrightable.

amelius 7y ago

Why would a review be a copyrightable creative work, while a LinkedIn resume wouldn't be?

dec0dedab0de 7y ago
I think perhaps the layout, cover letter, and maybe any flourishing notes are copyrightable, but the actual details of work experience and education are not.
- wtetzner 7y ago
  Yeah, I would think the "description" section for each job would be copyrightable, but the simple "title", "company", "year" fields would not be.

kabacha 7y ago

See that's where I have problem with this. Isn't data just _data_? Lets draw some pararells to real life. If I go to public space like town square - can't I take pictures, notes and records then go home and draw my analytics from it? What if I read something in a book I bought, can't I quote it? Same thing should be with web resources even if they are creative - as long as I don't publish them I should be able to scrape whatever public resources I want and use them in my analytics, machine learning or whatever.

pc86 7y ago
> Isn't data just data? No. At the risk of just repeating the comment you didn't understand, creative works are not "just data" - they are copyrightable works that the owner has control over who can use them, not just for profit, but for any reason with few exceptions. You don't just get to drop someone else's work product into your algorithm without their permission.
- kabacha 7y ago
  > You don't just get to drop someone else's work product into your algorithm without their permission. Why not?
  - ncallaway 7y ago
    Because copyright law exists.
    - dkarras 7y ago
      I don't think using data as input to an algorithm necessarily breaks copyright law. I can read a book to post my impression on it somewhere right? I can read it and say "it was beautiful" on twitter. I can then automate my "taste meter" through machine learning, it reads a given book character by character, and spits out what I'd think of it if I actually read it. Then posts it on twitter, says "it was beautiful". Did I break copyright law? I don't think so.
- 7y ago